Actually Verizon has this clause in their contract too, but they don't honor it. When they raised the rates on a service fee (their charge, not the government's) I used this as a valid, legal excuse, per their terms of service, to cancel the contract. They backpedaled, made stuff up, then offered to waive one of the two ETFs (we had 2 phones on the plan) but refused to waive the other. That was over a year ago. They are a shitty company that bullies their customers and who illegally don't even honor their own terms of service. I'm hoping they sue me for the money so I can take their terms of service into court and kick their ass. One thing for sure, I will never pay that ETF.
THIS is why Apple had to go with AT&T and not Verizon. Verizon may have the better network on paper, but I'm sure they would have buckled under the bandwidth issues presented by the iPhone explosion, just like AT&T. At least AT&T had the sense to listen to Apple about how the phone should be bundled, and now they are reaping the rewards.
They all suck, but I have a special dark place in my heart for Verizon's shitty behavior.
This has been debunked many times before, security through obscurity, but I'll take a piece from your won reply to show you how full of shit this argument is.
"Safari has had plenty of bugs (if we are comparing browsers too), and these would have allowed Worms quite easily."
- First of all, how can that be true? You said that the Mac has no viruses because of low market share. Safari obviously has a correspondintly low market share, thus it must have less vulnerabilities per your own logic. Either that or your logic on this topic is WRONG.
- Second, "these would have allowed worms". NO. You don't get a free pass on this FUD. They either did or did not allow worms. No theoretical "would have". Same with OS X, either it has a virus or it does not. At this point it does not. Maybe some day it will, but right now Windows is the suckiest of the lot.
Microsoft sells the hardware at a loss to try and steal another market. Unfortunately those days are over and it's just one more unprofitable venture for the bloated has-been.
I guess we need a citation from you, because many people I know are complaining about this. . . . I'll wait, go ahead and get that citation that is needed . . . . .
STFU with your Godwin reference you self important blowhard. Seems like every intellectual wannabe pulls that out of a hat as they look down on someone with disdain. Godwin's Law may be 100% true, but even if it is, so what. He got his point across with his choice of words. I may not agree with him, but his creative use of the word "nazi" definitely did add to the descriptive nature of his post. So why is that a problem with you? Are you such an ass as to think that negates any part of his argument, just because he fell victim to Godwin's Law?
FYI, Godwin's Law just describes a common behavior, it doesn't affect the validity of someone's argument. I think I need to create my own law to deal with stupid people who invoke Godwin's Law to try and prove their superiority.
Of course maybe if we hadn't had to come here to get away from the other f'd up countries it would have never been an issue, but hey, that's all right, continue to blame us for a GLOBAL problem.
Bullshit! We had $147/barrel a while ago because of speculators. You say demand from India and China were causing the price to go up? Let's take the last year for an example of how that is pure BS. Summer of 2008, high oil prices, high gas prices, "experts" say it's because increasing demand from China and India means we can't produce fast enough. September 2008 hits, the stock market collapses and oil goes way down, and gas goes way down. Why? . . . India and China didn't stop their consumption, did they? Americans may have drove 5% less, maybe, but we needed oil at the same rate that entire time and the price dramatically dropped after the market collapse. The reality is supply and demand could not have been what was causing oil to be priced before September '08. If that was the case oil would not have dropped so ridiculously low when the demand and supply variables remained at a relative constant.
"Oh wait, that's free market economics, and I forgot that our president has announced that "that doesn't work any more."
Oh STFU about your free market economics already. It was the greedy free market that caused this ridiculous recession. While a perfect free market may balance itself out, we have not been in anything close to a free market for at least a half century now. Our new president may not be perfect, but he's right in saying that the pseudo-free market we've relied on is failing. One look at last year's meltdown should prove that beyond a doubt.
Flush out your headgear pal and quit dumping this ridiculous scenario on me. "Force" people into coat hangers? Who is forcing anyone to get an abortion? . . . .
I don't like abortion because I think it's murder. That's it. It has nothing to do with "choice", just that I believe it is murder. I won't allow it to manipulate me into a single issue voter, but I am against abortion and that is why. Your coat hanger argument is a red herring. Nice try but it fails miserably.
Maybe we could get the F*** out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Maybe not trying to kill everyone else on the planet who disagrees with us might save some money? Money that could be better used SAVING lives.
We can always borrow from Bush Jr. and Cheney. Seems they both got filthy rich the last 8 years, maybe they can loan some back?
Is the only people this will affect are the people who bitch about the iPhone being "locked", so they jailbroke their phone. The same vast, intelligent minds who know better than Apple managed to install an app and leave the default password in place. Why shouldn't we listen to great minds like this when they tell Apple what to do with their platform?
If it's ratified then it becomes law. It will be ratified because big money is at stake for Congress. Constitutionality is not an issue here because the Constitution ceased to exist in 2001, everything is a national security issue any more and gets rubber stamped.
Why don't you just say "don't use your computer at all and revert to pencil and paper"? If those are the security precautions you have to use to keep your machines infection free then maybe you should look into a better platform or give up altogether.
Really? Tell you what, let's give those Windows users the rights you mention and leave off the anti-virus software and connect it to the net and let the users have at it. I doubt you'll be so confident about this magic configuration after that experiment.
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Actually Verizon has this clause in their contract too, but they don't honor it. When they raised the rates on a service fee (their charge, not the government's) I used this as a valid, legal excuse, per their terms of service, to cancel the contract. They backpedaled, made stuff up, then offered to waive one of the two ETFs (we had 2 phones on the plan) but refused to waive the other. That was over a year ago. They are a shitty company that bullies their customers and who illegally don't even honor their own terms of service. I'm hoping they sue me for the money so I can take their terms of service into court and kick their ass. One thing for sure, I will never pay that ETF.
THIS is why Apple had to go with AT&T and not Verizon. Verizon may have the better network on paper, but I'm sure they would have buckled under the bandwidth issues presented by the iPhone explosion, just like AT&T. At least AT&T had the sense to listen to Apple about how the phone should be bundled, and now they are reaping the rewards.
They all suck, but I have a special dark place in my heart for Verizon's shitty behavior.
This has been debunked many times before, security through obscurity, but I'll take a piece from your won reply to show you how full of shit this argument is.
"Safari has had plenty of bugs (if we are comparing browsers too), and these would have allowed Worms quite easily."
- First of all, how can that be true? You said that the Mac has no viruses because of low market share. Safari obviously has a correspondintly low market share, thus it must have less vulnerabilities per your own logic. Either that or your logic on this topic is WRONG.
- Second, "these would have allowed worms". NO. You don't get a free pass on this FUD. They either did or did not allow worms. No theoretical "would have". Same with OS X, either it has a virus or it does not. At this point it does not. Maybe some day it will, but right now Windows is the suckiest of the lot.
Microsoft sells the hardware at a loss to try and steal another market. Unfortunately those days are over and it's just one more unprofitable venture for the bloated has-been.
IE is not leader of the pack? What happened to security through obscurity? Safari shouldn't even be on the list. IE should have them all?
Somehow I doubt this "study" is worth the paper it's printed on (in Redmond).
I guess we need a citation from you, because many people I know are complaining about this. . . . I'll wait, go ahead and get that citation that is needed . . . . .
Why don't you read some history. China didn't have nukes in your scenario. We do.
Step down, next challenger!
STFU with your Godwin reference you self important blowhard. Seems like every intellectual wannabe pulls that out of a hat as they look down on someone with disdain. Godwin's Law may be 100% true, but even if it is, so what. He got his point across with his choice of words. I may not agree with him, but his creative use of the word "nazi" definitely did add to the descriptive nature of his post. So why is that a problem with you? Are you such an ass as to think that negates any part of his argument, just because he fell victim to Godwin's Law?
FYI, Godwin's Law just describes a common behavior, it doesn't affect the validity of someone's argument. I think I need to create my own law to deal with stupid people who invoke Godwin's Law to try and prove their superiority.
Yeah, you're right, it's the American's fault.
Of course maybe if we hadn't had to come here to get away from the other f'd up countries it would have never been an issue, but hey, that's all right, continue to blame us for a GLOBAL problem.
Bullshit! We had $147/barrel a while ago because of speculators. You say demand from India and China were causing the price to go up? Let's take the last year for an example of how that is pure BS. Summer of 2008, high oil prices, high gas prices, "experts" say it's because increasing demand from China and India means we can't produce fast enough. September 2008 hits, the stock market collapses and oil goes way down, and gas goes way down. Why? . . . India and China didn't stop their consumption, did they? Americans may have drove 5% less, maybe, but we needed oil at the same rate that entire time and the price dramatically dropped after the market collapse. The reality is supply and demand could not have been what was causing oil to be priced before September '08. If that was the case oil would not have dropped so ridiculously low when the demand and supply variables remained at a relative constant.
"Oh wait, that's free market economics, and I forgot that our president has announced that "that doesn't work any more."
Oh STFU about your free market economics already. It was the greedy free market that caused this ridiculous recession. While a perfect free market may balance itself out, we have not been in anything close to a free market for at least a half century now. Our new president may not be perfect, but he's right in saying that the pseudo-free market we've relied on is failing. One look at last year's meltdown should prove that beyond a doubt.
The majority of Americans are naive in family planning? Can I get a citation on that because I think that's a bullshit statement.
And it's not a NEEDED option. You don't NEED to have an abortion. What the hell is the color of the sky in your world where you need to kill a baby?
Flush out your headgear pal and quit dumping this ridiculous scenario on me. "Force" people into coat hangers? Who is forcing anyone to get an abortion? . . . .
I don't like abortion because I think it's murder. That's it. It has nothing to do with "choice", just that I believe it is murder. I won't allow it to manipulate me into a single issue voter, but I am against abortion and that is why. Your coat hanger argument is a red herring. Nice try but it fails miserably.
Maybe we could get the F*** out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Maybe not trying to kill everyone else on the planet who disagrees with us might save some money? Money that could be better used SAVING lives.
We can always borrow from Bush Jr. and Cheney. Seems they both got filthy rich the last 8 years, maybe they can loan some back?
Don't confuse the Fox news correspondents trolling this board with the truth. They came here to blindly trash the idea and they won't be dissuaded.
Is the only people this will affect are the people who bitch about the iPhone being "locked", so they jailbroke their phone. The same vast, intelligent minds who know better than Apple managed to install an app and leave the default password in place. Why shouldn't we listen to great minds like this when they tell Apple what to do with their platform?
So let's get this straight. You're arguing that when you do something that Apple tells you NOT to do, and you do it anyway, that it is Apple's fault?
Feel free to STFU!
"it can be said that Apple is almost the publisher/distributor for these apps."
It can only be said that way if you're hell bent on blaming Apple.
"You can't slap your name on a product, sell it, make money from it and take on none of the risk."
- Can you explain to me where Apple slapped their name on these games? I must be missing this part.
Please try and base your criticism on reality rather than a blind hatred of Apple.
If it's ratified then it becomes law. It will be ratified because big money is at stake for Congress. Constitutionality is not an issue here because the Constitution ceased to exist in 2001, everything is a national security issue any more and gets rubber stamped.
Why don't you just say "don't use your computer at all and revert to pencil and paper"? If those are the security precautions you have to use to keep your machines infection free then maybe you should look into a better platform or give up altogether.
What exactly was misleading or untrue about this story?
No, as a matter of fact it is not. 5 years on a Mac with no AV and I've had no viruses or spyware.
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You need to reshape your thinking and demand more from your OS provider.
In even more exciting news, your post has no relevance to the original post!
Really? Tell you what, let's give those Windows users the rights you mention and leave off the anti-virus software and connect it to the net and let the users have at it. I doubt you'll be so confident about this magic configuration after that experiment.
Get a Mac!!