Legal precedence has not been established yet. Comcast lawyers know this. The result of the lawsuit should give you an idea of how the other fat cat ISPs will behave in the near future.
Now, from a business perspective, I can't imagine that Comcast would fail to pass along a script to tier one helpless desk personnel. Imagine the soft costs involved with all the customers calling in and screaming because their porn downloads stopped working.
Scoping my statement is a very cute way to respond. I like that. Upper managment has made scoping an artform. LOL.
Let's have a closer look here...
Now, you may argue that people proactively use your service while Dell/Google customers don't get to make that choice - ok.
However, uninstalling the toolbar (or disabling the BHO) is very simple and the user can proactively stop using the Dell/Google toolbar the same way they can proactively modify DNS settings to use your service.
So now we're down to one thing - the silent fix which Google/Dell does not do. That's pretty nice of you guys to do especially since it's done for free. But are you going to tell me that OpenDNS does not select which fixes to make? Of course not. You have to select which fixes to make so this means you know exactly when you're going to fire up the "fantastic service" for your users, which is the exact same framework as the Dell/Google "fantastic service". Your FAQ on your site says this is exactly what you do to make money.
So, do you back what your FAQ states or what your blog says? Ya can't have it both ways and expect people to not call you on the carpet for sounding like a hypocrite.
Hmmm, but if they are being lame to their users, and you guys are providing the same "fantastic" experience, then doesn't 1 + 1 = 2? You have to know how your position sounds to anyone who reads your FAQ on the OpenDNS site related to revenue and then your blog on the "lamers" over at Google/Dell. It reminds me of the episode of COPS where the crack addict calls the cops because the dope dealer stole her $20.;-)
"Everyone who uses OpenDNS is doing it by choice which means we have to deliver a fantastic experience."
You guys do make me laugh and I mean that in an endearing way. Sadly, the catchy buzz words and individualist mindset of the dot.bomb era are long gone. In case you guys are still handing out free mountain dew to your coders and allowing people to skateboard around the office, the cold steel bottom line of net profit now dominates all things Internet. It sounds to me like a small time niche VC startup (OpenDNS) is upset that the (inevitable) actions of the large players (Google/Dell) has eaten into the primary cash flow of the business and you're pissed about it.
Now the question begs, what other "fantastic" services are your users/customers willing to pay for? I have a feeling that Google/Dell doesn't give a sh** about putting you out of business in the wake of their toolbar deal.
Nope, very very real. Interestingly, they do a better job than the big name vendors out there. I see a case study here for the Symantecs of the world.
I guess I should start looking for Crimes-R-Us booth at the next sec expo. I sure hope they've learned about booth babes...
Well all of this is very interesting but it assumes that 60% of workers will have the *ability* to work from home. How many businesses can realistically say they can support 60% of their workforce concurrently via remote connections? For me this would mean that I would have to support 6,000 concurrent connections without latency.
If we're going to cross "ts" and dot "is" then this variable should be dumped into the calculation. I highly doubt that all the large enterprises of the world have their act together (i.e. a BCP)and have pandemic support ready to go. I know smaller ones do not have this ability due to sheer cost.
Comment by TheHorse13 on November 29, 2006 12:45 pm Is this really news to anyone? IRC botnets have been around for years and have been used for stealing for profit equally as long. Common sense tells you that you don't fear something that cannot induce consequences. Case in point, how are you going to press a guy in the middle of the congo for scamming you? U.S. domestic law?
How about we talk about how this has already been taken to the next level by hiring professional programmers who now offer encryption to hide the activity and a "be your own criminal" software package. In Russia, right now, you can buy a toolkit from the criminals that walks you through the setup of your very own criminal enterprise. For those interested, it's called, "WebAttacker ToolKit"
Seeing that Microsoft now charges you to submit a bug (yeah, $35). Less bugs reported means less bugs than Linux. This latest report seems to indicate that the statistics game has real value but hey, 75% of all people know that.
I wonder if Microsoft will copyright pie charts?
The *biggest* issue that I still see is companies using someone's SS as the account number on invoices.
The typical scenario:
1) Poor fool receives his trash collection bill.
2) He pays it and throws the receipt in the trash can.
3) Dumpster diver finds the receipt and notices that the account # is the same length as a SS#
Presto, instant ID theft.
I've personally seen the victims of this scenario.
The other common rouse is good ol' fashioned phishing. You'd be surprised how many people will still give up their SS# when a free gift is waived in front of them. Again, I've seen this while monitoring network traffic.
And in that hides the real cost. The biggest issue we have with open source is how do you make someone perform who a) doesn't work for you b) could abandon the project without recourse and c) accurately gauge the implementation of needed features/fixes.
Now, under the table, we all know that open source anything is a wonderful thing to have in your environment with the proper talent behind the wheel.
Leave it to the intarweb's finest to misinterpret everything.
Let me clarify:
Remove said bums from the train station, placing them in a warm and safe shelter where they will be fed and clothed and maybe even be treated like a human being.
Wet concrete steps hardly seem to be the place for man or beast. Let's not forget the hazardous conditions posed to the said bums and commuters should someone actually trip down 40 stairs.
Why can't my tax dollars go to good use like perhaps removing the bums that form a human staircase in my commuter rail station? Nevermind. That makes too much sense.
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Legal precedence has not been established yet. Comcast lawyers know this. The result of the lawsuit should give you an idea of how the other fat cat ISPs will behave in the near future. Now, from a business perspective, I can't imagine that Comcast would fail to pass along a script to tier one helpless desk personnel. Imagine the soft costs involved with all the customers calling in and screaming because their porn downloads stopped working.
Scoping my statement is a very cute way to respond. I like that. Upper managment has made scoping an artform. LOL. Let's have a closer look here... Now, you may argue that people proactively use your service while Dell/Google customers don't get to make that choice - ok. However, uninstalling the toolbar (or disabling the BHO) is very simple and the user can proactively stop using the Dell/Google toolbar the same way they can proactively modify DNS settings to use your service. So now we're down to one thing - the silent fix which Google/Dell does not do. That's pretty nice of you guys to do especially since it's done for free. But are you going to tell me that OpenDNS does not select which fixes to make? Of course not. You have to select which fixes to make so this means you know exactly when you're going to fire up the "fantastic service" for your users, which is the exact same framework as the Dell/Google "fantastic service". Your FAQ on your site says this is exactly what you do to make money. So, do you back what your FAQ states or what your blog says? Ya can't have it both ways and expect people to not call you on the carpet for sounding like a hypocrite.
Hmmm, but if they are being lame to their users, and you guys are providing the same "fantastic" experience, then doesn't 1 + 1 = 2? You have to know how your position sounds to anyone who reads your FAQ on the OpenDNS site related to revenue and then your blog on the "lamers" over at Google/Dell. It reminds me of the episode of COPS where the crack addict calls the cops because the dope dealer stole her $20. ;-)
"Everyone who uses OpenDNS is doing it by choice which means we have to deliver a fantastic experience."
You guys do make me laugh and I mean that in an endearing way. Sadly, the catchy buzz words and individualist mindset of the dot.bomb era are long gone. In case you guys are still handing out free mountain dew to your coders and allowing people to skateboard around the office, the cold steel bottom line of net profit now dominates all things Internet. It sounds to me like a small time niche VC startup (OpenDNS) is upset that the (inevitable) actions of the large players (Google/Dell) has eaten into the primary cash flow of the business and you're pissed about it.
Now the question begs, what other "fantastic" services are your users/customers willing to pay for? I have a feeling that Google/Dell doesn't give a sh** about putting you out of business in the wake of their toolbar deal.
Nope, very very real. Interestingly, they do a better job than the big name vendors out there. I see a case study here for the Symantecs of the world. I guess I should start looking for Crimes-R-Us booth at the next sec expo. I sure hope they've learned about booth babes...
Well all of this is very interesting but it assumes that 60% of workers will have the *ability* to work from home. How many businesses can realistically say they can support 60% of their workforce concurrently via remote connections? For me this would mean that I would have to support 6,000 concurrent connections without latency. If we're going to cross "ts" and dot "is" then this variable should be dumped into the calculation. I highly doubt that all the large enterprises of the world have their act together (i.e. a BCP)and have pandemic support ready to go. I know smaller ones do not have this ability due to sheer cost.
Comment by TheHorse13 on November 29, 2006 12:45 pm
Is this really news to anyone? IRC botnets have been around for years and have been used for stealing for profit equally as long. Common sense tells you that you don't fear something that cannot induce consequences. Case in point, how are you going to press a guy in the middle of the congo for scamming you? U.S. domestic law?
How about we talk about how this has already been taken to the next level by hiring professional programmers who now offer encryption to hide the activity and a "be your own criminal" software package. In Russia, right now, you can buy a toolkit from the criminals that walks you through the setup of your very own criminal enterprise. For those interested, it's called, "WebAttacker ToolKit"
Proof that as a society we never learn. We're approaching the phishing problem the same way we do with other criminal activity - from the bottom up.
Seeing that Microsoft now charges you to submit a bug (yeah, $35). Less bugs reported means less bugs than Linux. This latest report seems to indicate that the statistics game has real value but hey, 75% of all people know that. I wonder if Microsoft will copyright pie charts?
The *biggest* issue that I still see is companies using someone's SS as the account number on invoices. The typical scenario: 1) Poor fool receives his trash collection bill. 2) He pays it and throws the receipt in the trash can. 3) Dumpster diver finds the receipt and notices that the account # is the same length as a SS# Presto, instant ID theft. I've personally seen the victims of this scenario. The other common rouse is good ol' fashioned phishing. You'd be surprised how many people will still give up their SS# when a free gift is waived in front of them. Again, I've seen this while monitoring network traffic.
...bringing back everyones favorite website, jailbabes.com
And in that hides the real cost. The biggest issue we have with open source is how do you make someone perform who a) doesn't work for you b) could abandon the project without recourse and c) accurately gauge the implementation of needed features/fixes. Now, under the table, we all know that open source anything is a wonderful thing to have in your environment with the proper talent behind the wheel.
Leave it to the intarweb's finest to misinterpret everything. Let me clarify: Remove said bums from the train station, placing them in a warm and safe shelter where they will be fed and clothed and maybe even be treated like a human being. Wet concrete steps hardly seem to be the place for man or beast. Let's not forget the hazardous conditions posed to the said bums and commuters should someone actually trip down 40 stairs.
Why can't my tax dollars go to good use like perhaps removing the bums that form a human staircase in my commuter rail station? Nevermind. That makes too much sense.