Thanks for the reply and Ars Technica link. Yeah, "young" wasn't the right word, I meant more that it didn't appear to have nearly as many classes and modules as ExtJS, since that's the only other one I really knew about, and I also hadn't realized Sprout runs on RoR.
I'm pretty surprised no one has mentioned ExtJS, another VERY full-featured JS interface library. SproutCore is super young in comparison, it looks like, but it will be interesting to see how it advances. ExtJS has kind of a clinical look to it, and customizing the widgets looks like a pain, but the framework is definitely robust.
Agreed here too. My friends always joke around about the quality of the commentary on Slashdot but honestly I read it because I usually learn something, and the mod system works (really!).
Agreed, and well said. This comes down to a matter of tools vs. people: I'm not convinced the people are changing (though the culture certainly is and has). There's no point in blaming the tools. What we *can* and maybe "should" work on, if possible, is the culture, in this case meaning, how can we grow a culture of learning in America? For some reason learning and erudition has never been a part of American culture, it seems. (But in what cultures has that ever really been a priority?)
I used to hate hearing the words "go look it up" Boy, I hear you. And now I could not possibly thank my dad more for making me bring out the dictionary every time I asked about a word. I even remember complaining, "Daaad, just TELL me." How things have changed. I am eternally grateful for his patience and vigilance:)
Huh. I'm going to have to completely disagree with you. There's nothing about that story that "seems" true or reasonable. In fact I'd argue otherwise, that an organization with the ability to put ships in space would be unlikely to make such a frivolous investment.
Perhaps the reason urban legends "seem" true is because they justify a person's preconceived prejudices, opinions or conclusions.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to check out every single "fact" people tell me Of course not, none of us do. The question is, why do we repeat them back anyway?:-/
However if weâ(TM)ll normalize their hair afterthought: would normalizing hair be like the opposite of "combing" the hairy ball theorem? Using all normals instead of tangents might yield the "spiky ball theorem."
now using a 12 drive 1TB RAID-5 with AIT backups. Out of curiosity, is that a custom built solution? I'm researching similar solutions now so I'd love to hear more about yours.:)
It's funny because it's true. About 15 years ago, I went on a trip to take care of my recently deceased great-grandfather's home and possessions. I was maybe 13 at the time. The first room I wandered into was covered, floor to ceiling, in 70s hardcore porn. My grandma yanked me out of the room, but the impression remained. The best part? This man was my namesake. His spirit lives on!
it's not "web designers" or "designers," it's bad web designers, irritating marketing "executives", and the vapid "art directors" that tell web designers what to do. There are plenty of good, thoughtful web designers in the world. This Dilbert redesign did not consult them.
Hm, I always thought/. was a shining example of the least adaptability to change. How many getoffmylawn posts have you seen here?:) Why, when I was your age...!
Now we can focus even more closely on repeating, copying and imitating already tired simulacra and finally do away completely with pesky things like creativity and insight! The technology of tomorrow, today!
I'm glad that someone else here shares my opinion for David Lynch's version (and you can get the full-length director's cut, I'm surprised you hadn't seen it). And I also agree that there's not really any call to redo it (except possibly from the producer's money-driven perspective), and that it'd be great to film some other sci-fi classics.
HOWEVER, ultimately what we really need is new blood writing beautiful, brilliant stories specifically for the screen. Sci-fi film has a completely stereotyped reputation, far more than even sci-fi literature. The latter case has lots of examples of works that don't fit into any easy genre or description, and have a distinctly literate quality that not all of their pulp brethren share (I'm thinking Sam Delaney's Dhalgren). It seems like science fiction films and tv shows end up never being as inspired and unique as good sci-fi writing, and I'm not sure why that is. At least part of it is simply business; for some kinds of sci-fi stories to be done right they might honestly need a pretty epic budget, and I don't blame producers for being wary of paying that back. I do blame them for being spineless and heartless without a lick of creativity or vision.
Luckily, a good science fiction story doesn't *need* a big budget necessarily. "Stranger in a Strange Land" is a fantastic example. It's science-fiction because it presupposes the existence of "martians" and takes place in the future, but it's a story about humans and a human who grew up with martians, and what we learn from him and what he learns from us. And it was one of the most incredible, influential and heartbreaking stories I've experienced ("read" is just not a strong enough word). With a thoughtful, insightful director and screenwriter, with people who understand the story and understand how people experience the story, it could be a historic piece of film, in my opinion.
But my point here is that we need to get away from adaptations and write new sci-fi stories for this specific medium, with its different potentials and limitations. If "Back to the Future" was a pulp paperback, I could imagine seeing it shelved in Sci-Fi, and yet I imagine most people would not call the movie "sci-fi." Why? Because it was written to be an adventure about people and the interactions of people, and it was written *for the screen*. Sure, it involves sci-fi tropes, like the mad-but-lovable scientist, improbable and ingenious technology, etc., but it's not *about* the technology. "Donnie Darko" is also an interesting example. Sci-fi or not sci-fi? It doesn't matter.
I can only hope that somehow we'll see more original screenplays that tackle the ideas and ideals that we look to science fiction for, because those ideas and the hopeful, optimistic energy behind them have always been really exhilarating to me.
It had the production values easily Hm, I know we all have different standards but... what production values? I couldn't help but think that it looked way too much like a flat, made-for-tv-movie (which is what it was) instead of the epic cinematic experience that the story demands. This is specifically why I've always enjoyed David Lynch's version--despite the bizarre and completely absurd elements of it and huge changes, what it did right is the scale and scope of the story, something truly huge and epic, something that really astounds the viewer the way the book astounds the reader.
--Ted
I'm surprised I haven't seen this pointed out yet, so hopefully it's not redundant: Looking for an objective measurement of beauty? Try the millihelen! It's the amount of beauty it takes to launch one ship, or one thousandth of a Helen!:D
Use your main finger on the yellow side and your other finger on the orange side and turn it. Orange to orange! Alternate corners! Spin the middle side topwise. Topwise!
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Thanks for the reply and Ars Technica link. Yeah, "young" wasn't the right word, I meant more that it didn't appear to have nearly as many classes and modules as ExtJS, since that's the only other one I really knew about, and I also hadn't realized Sprout runs on RoR.
I'm pretty surprised no one has mentioned ExtJS, another VERY full-featured JS interface library. SproutCore is super young in comparison, it looks like, but it will be interesting to see how it advances. ExtJS has kind of a clinical look to it, and customizing the widgets looks like a pain, but the framework is definitely robust.
I think this is my favorite /. post so far this year. I loled!
Agreed here too. My friends always joke around about the quality of the commentary on Slashdot but honestly I read it because I usually learn something, and the mod system works (really!).
Agreed, and well said. This comes down to a matter of tools vs. people: I'm not convinced the people are changing (though the culture certainly is and has). There's no point in blaming the tools. What we *can* and maybe "should" work on, if possible, is the culture, in this case meaning, how can we grow a culture of learning in America? For some reason learning and erudition has never been a part of American culture, it seems. (But in what cultures has that ever really been a priority?)
Unfortunately for everyone, my feet are NOT emission-free sources of energy.
Huh. I'm going to have to completely disagree with you. There's nothing about that story that "seems" true or reasonable. In fact I'd argue otherwise, that an organization with the ability to put ships in space would be unlikely to make such a frivolous investment.
Perhaps the reason urban legends "seem" true is because they justify a person's preconceived prejudices, opinions or conclusions.
--Ted
Is the new /. meme going to be "does it run OS X?"
--Ted
It's funny because it's true. About 15 years ago, I went on a trip to take care of my recently deceased great-grandfather's home and possessions. I was maybe 13 at the time. The first room I wandered into was covered, floor to ceiling, in 70s hardcore porn. My grandma yanked me out of the room, but the impression remained. The best part? This man was my namesake. His spirit lives on!
it's not "web designers" or "designers," it's bad web designers, irritating marketing "executives", and the vapid "art directors" that tell web designers what to do. There are plenty of good, thoughtful web designers in the world. This Dilbert redesign did not consult them.
Hm, I always thought /. was a shining example of the least adaptability to change. How many getoffmylawn posts have you seen here? :) Why, when I was your age...!
Whoa. And the LifeBits are DRMd... that seems so disturbing, but fascinating at the same time. Pirating someone else's LifeBits? Awesome!
I couldn't help but think of this guy. So awesome.
Now we can focus even more closely on repeating, copying and imitating already tired simulacra and finally do away completely with pesky things like creativity and insight! The technology of tomorrow, today!
Oh, hm, I knew about the Smithee version but I thought it was for a TV cut or something.
... it's a shame; I don't know why there isn't real director's cut that would have met Lynch's approval.
Huh
I'm glad that someone else here shares my opinion for David Lynch's version (and you can get the full-length director's cut, I'm surprised you hadn't seen it). And I also agree that there's not really any call to redo it (except possibly from the producer's money-driven perspective), and that it'd be great to film some other sci-fi classics.
HOWEVER, ultimately what we really need is new blood writing beautiful, brilliant stories specifically for the screen. Sci-fi film has a completely stereotyped reputation, far more than even sci-fi literature. The latter case has lots of examples of works that don't fit into any easy genre or description, and have a distinctly literate quality that not all of their pulp brethren share (I'm thinking Sam Delaney's Dhalgren). It seems like science fiction films and tv shows end up never being as inspired and unique as good sci-fi writing, and I'm not sure why that is. At least part of it is simply business; for some kinds of sci-fi stories to be done right they might honestly need a pretty epic budget, and I don't blame producers for being wary of paying that back. I do blame them for being spineless and heartless without a lick of creativity or vision.
Luckily, a good science fiction story doesn't *need* a big budget necessarily. "Stranger in a Strange Land" is a fantastic example. It's science-fiction because it presupposes the existence of "martians" and takes place in the future, but it's a story about humans and a human who grew up with martians, and what we learn from him and what he learns from us. And it was one of the most incredible, influential and heartbreaking stories I've experienced ("read" is just not a strong enough word). With a thoughtful, insightful director and screenwriter, with people who understand the story and understand how people experience the story, it could be a historic piece of film, in my opinion.
But my point here is that we need to get away from adaptations and write new sci-fi stories for this specific medium, with its different potentials and limitations. If "Back to the Future" was a pulp paperback, I could imagine seeing it shelved in Sci-Fi, and yet I imagine most people would not call the movie "sci-fi." Why? Because it was written to be an adventure about people and the interactions of people, and it was written *for the screen*. Sure, it involves sci-fi tropes, like the mad-but-lovable scientist, improbable and ingenious technology, etc., but it's not *about* the technology. "Donnie Darko" is also an interesting example. Sci-fi or not sci-fi? It doesn't matter.
I can only hope that somehow we'll see more original screenplays that tackle the ideas and ideals that we look to science fiction for, because those ideas and the hopeful, optimistic energy behind them have always been really exhilarating to me.
--Ted
I'm surprised I haven't seen this pointed out yet, so hopefully it's not redundant: Looking for an objective measurement of beauty? Try the millihelen! It's the amount of beauty it takes to launch one ship, or one thousandth of a Helen! :D
Use your main finger on the yellow side and your other finger on the orange side and turn it. Orange to orange! Alternate corners! Spin the middle side topwise. Topwise!
Can you please explain your position why? I don't think the same reasons we had 5 years ago are as relevant today.