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Researchers Create an Automatic Backup Band for Singers
Researchers at Microsoft Labs are hoping to allow untrained singers to have their own automatic backup band in the near future. A new piece of software, "MySong", promises to take a sung melody and using a probability computation algorithm, generate an appropriate chord accompaniment. There is also a video of the process on the Microsoft Labs website. "'The idea is to let a creative but musically untrained individual get a taste of song writing and music creation,' Morris told New Scientist. 'There was nothing out there that could take a sung vocal melody as an input and then generate appropriate chords to accompany it. [...] Since people rarely sing at precise frequencies, MySong compares a sung melody to the 12 standard musical notes. It then feeds an approximate sequence of notes to the system's chord probability computation algorithm. This algorithm has been trained, through analysis of 300 rock, pop, country and jazz songs, to recognize fragments of melody and chords that work well together, as well as chords that complement each another.'"
This is nothing new. The first piece of music hardware/software I saw that did this was called Vivace or something like that and it came out back in 1994. There are also other programs in the past and present that do this.
Okay, that jingle seriously made me want some Bob's Deli right about now.
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Now they just need to have artificial voices sing music, and random word generators to make lyrics, and the music companies can stop paying those pesky artists!
...considering how unimaginitive most bands are today - the 1-4-5-1 progression is so prevalent in pop music, you can hum most songs on the radio within the first two minutes of listening to it.
Experiment: pick three Linkin Park songs (from their frist couple of albums), play the first, and sing the melody from the second or third over it. You'll be amazed at how different they aren't.
Quiz: True or False -- On a scale of 1 to 10, what is your middle name?
Now all we need is the RIAA to put their automatic pop singer software on the shelves and we can have our own band!
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
I'm sure there is a hidden back door to the RIAA to get your IP address so they can come knock on your door because you stole someones music in singing your own songs
"TV, a medium as it is neither rare nor well done." Ernie Kovacs
This will further devalue the pop music product that made record labels so much money.
The walls are falling in on an industry that cashed in on people's inability to tell good music for bad.
This is good news for all musicians who make music worth listening to, as opposed to music worth blaring out of a radio in the background while you IM, buy corporate media on Amazon.com, watch TV and send pictures of your weener to "girls" you met on myspace.
technical writing / development
"Thank-you, NASA!"
Now we can focus even more closely on repeating, copying and imitating already tired simulacra and finally do away completely with pesky things like creativity and insight! The technology of tomorrow, today!
Limina.Log
Dear Microsoft, Thank you for putting together a completely custom safety-net band! I fell of my real band's wagon and landed in your loving arms. Now I'm making millions with my hit band "The Superficial Octaves"! -Dick Richards PS: Give Billy a kiss on the cheek for me, eh?
This is certainly the day the music died....
tag: thedaythemusicdied
This was supposed to be around in 1984, according to Orwell. It fact, I've suspected that it has been for years.
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
Just wait until our backup-singing overlords get tired of playing second fiddle to some dumb human with no musical training. Can you guess what will happen next?
One of them will go solo, and win American Idol, and then what? This country is evidently forced to love the winner of that show, no matter how horrid their singing may be. (Daughtry excluded. That man can sing. Then again, he did not win.)
Or does anyone else realize that the initials of American Idol are 'AI'?
Bonus video! :)
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
"Talk about pi**ing your money away. I hope you kids see what a silly waste of resources this was." -- Frances Smith, "Christmas Vacation"
More bland Europop creations, how inspiring is that!
They sue people on 'behalf' of the artists, but the artists get almost nothing. Now they are going to the software so that all they have to do is buy the software once and not pay anybody else.
I'm working on this program called MyEar.
It's a probability computation algorithm that has been trained, through analysis of 300 rock, pop, country and jazz songs, to recognize fragments of melody and chords that work well together, as well as chords that compliment each another.
I'm going to feed the output of MySong directly into the input of MyEar, and get all those annoying humans completely out of the loop.
And then...and then...I'll plug the humans into little VR pods, one per human (they'll never notice the difference)...and then I can tap off the energy they generate for my power needs--I mean, my computers' power needs--yeah, yeah, that's it...I've got this big matrix of computers, and then need a lot of power...
So who is to blame if a song input from a user results in a generation of notes that is already has a copyright?
That's about what I was thinking. Actually the first thoughts out of my head were:
"Oh, for fuck's sake! Is creating and playing music really that fucking hard?" I mean, people have been doing this shit for CENTURIES, folks! Millennia even!
I can just see it now:
Seacrest: Welcome to Microsoft Idol! And welcome to tonight's first contestant, Sanjaya! In our last round, Sanjaya blue-screened our backup computer band....can he make a comeback tonight? Let's find out!
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So... with all the Slashdot musical taste elitism going on, I'm kinda worried.
What happens if I hear something generated by this program and I like it? Does it mean I have no musical taste? Does it mean I am just a machine, being entertained by a machine? Am I no longer creative? Does it mean I am a (Goth|Emo|Yoboy) and I can't post any longer?
What if it turns out that my brain, and thus my tastes, are actually just a neural network? What if someone has determined how to make that network respond with through automated music generation? Should I refuse to listen to music after that? Does it make me less human? What if I actually wrote a program years ago in BASIC that made music I liked? Do I need the outside world any longer?
Microsoft will probably do this in order to compete with Apple's GarageBand software (which I don't think has a feature like this, but nonetheless). Perhaps, having put all kinds of glitzy graphics into Vista (which IMO are really ugly), it's now time to make a knock-off of iLife.
McCain/Palin '08. Now THAT's hope and change!
Force feeding the rules of music composition to a computer is possible, but it will always lack the artistic imagination needed to make good music.
If I'm wrong, please correct me ; learning is better than being right.
I think the brain power would be more well spent if they created a robot that does research.
The humans seem to only ever think of bad ideas.
Gah.
I strongly suspect this will end up like the "watercolour" and "oils" filters on photoshop - as in "interesting, but no substitute for talent".
Expect to see this IP in karaoke and sing along machines to convince gullible people they have talent (and less money).
I have this weird mental image of George Gerswhin arguing with his new electronic piano (yes, I know he's dead) before throwing it out of his window.
I just threw up in my mouth a little.....
Yeah, my karma sucks....but so do the mods.
MS: 'There was nothing out there that could take a sung vocal melody as an input and then generate appropriate chords to accompany it."
There ARE these things called Hands that can operate things like Guitars and Pianos.
A bunch of crap music coming from tone-deaf people with no concept of melody.
Oh wait, we already have MySpace...
This is what entropy is for.
I've been a musician for over 20 years and some of the self-proclaimed "vocalists" I've run across need automatic pitch shifters so they can sing on key. Another percentage of them need heavy effects on their voice, ala sinead o'connor (sp?).
But then again, 15 years ago you needed to at least know a little about computers to use them. microsoft killed that, now they're going to kill what's left of needing a little musical ability to be a musician.
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"probability computation algorithm"
So much for deceptive cadences!
Sure, first you reduce every song to a sequence of twelve standard notes. Then you start applying regular expressions to match the patterns, and before long it's meloncholy elephants everywhere.
...even if you can get it to create long, coherent chord progressions, it still will have to stick to chords that match whatever was sung. Even if the system knows how to do jazzy chord changes and secondary function chords and such, an amateur singer won't sing a melody that will flow well with that.
The melody and the chord structure fit together very intimately. If someone doesn't "hear" the chords they want in their head, they probably won't sing a melody that will need an interesting chord progression behind it to make it work.
And of course, for any given melody, there are multiple possible progressions (do you want a IV or a I chord here? Or maybe a V7/V?). The singer will need to have the musical sense to choose which one they want.
I can't wait for music to feature the quality, innovation and depth of soul that Microsoft is known for.
Oh, wait - that's what's wrong with all the music already being made with the last generation of music technology.
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Goatse in your face! Goatse up your ass![goatse.ch]
You nerds love it.
what ever happened to talent like ELP or Boston
"I don't pitch OpenSUSE Linux to my friends, i let Microsoft do it for me
as far as microsoft goes, this piece of software will probably suck.
I,for one, welcome our auto-chording Microsoft DRM-wielding overlords.
They call this karaoke.
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
Anyone know what the chords would be to, "Dear Aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all"?
Somehow I have doubts as to the reliability of this...
"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
I especially liked the use of the phrase "creative but musically untrained individual" and its implications. I would think a singer using this program would at the very least need to be able to sing on key and in a recognizable rhythm. Of course, given a melody in a time signature the program can't track, it may be capable of producing some aleatoric masterpieces.
I 'discovered' that the best way to sing in tune (with recordings, or a group) is to cup one hand about one foot (@30cm) in front of your mouth and cup the other hand behind one of your ears.
While singing, your voice bounces off the hand in front of your mouth and then gets redirected into your ear. Then you can adjust the pitch of your voice to harmonize with that of the recording. This really makes a difference in your ability to sing in tune.
I thought that this was my secret trick until I saw the BeeGees on television long ago and Robin Gibb was using the same 'hand behind ear' technique to get his complex falsetto parts just right. The studio monitor fed his voice towards his ears.
I know, I know, the BeeGees, don't laugh, during the years 1975 to 1979 they were best male ensemble vocalist group in the popular music world. Dorks maybe by current standards, but who are Slashdaughters to judge in that regard?
Anyway, I realize that the last thing a Slashdot reader will ever do is sing. But most Slashdot readers have an obsession with doing things right, should the need ever arise, then in regards to singing, this is how it can be done right.
I suspect that this Microsoft program, like all Microsoft pop culture products, will go nowhere and die a slow, embarrassing death should it ever get released. It sounds to me (bad pun) like the auto-play features found on those plastic WalMart keyboards that are too cheap and dumb to have MIDI ports included on the back. Microsoft should put this code into open-source and take a tax write-off on the development costs.
And speaking of which, just exactly WHY is Microsoft researching automatic computer music product generation? If I recall correctly, don't they make personal computer operating systems and business software. I guess that it must be that since they found and eliminated all the bugs in their primary products that they were looking for a new challenge. And they want to get some of the glory that is coming from the Rock Star plastic button guitar weirdness that is currently popular among the less-musically-inclined sector of the population.
>Now they just need to have artificial voices sing music, and random word generators to make lyrics,
And they can call it Britney Spears.
-- VOTE -- Moped Jesus in '08!
as a middle/high school music teacher who uses all available technologies to teach music, this could really be a good thing.
why? simple. the goal, or _a_ goal of music education is to bring a meaningful experience of music to a student. this program might help with that.
and i'm just speaking of formal music education. for someone on their own, they can use the program to get a start and then learn more/deeper as they progress.
just because it might use 'standard' chord progressions doesnt meant a person cant have a meaningful experience of music - especially an inexperienced person. again, they can always learn more later.
for those of you who negatively (and, i daresay, often uselessly) criticized up above, remember that not everyone is in the same place, musically. if only one person becomes more musical because of this then it's served its purpose, no?
Cue the Sound Machine and let the Party Posse magic begin!
Yvan Eht Nioj
Did you notice that ever since the firehose appeared these Microsoft boosters got more frequent?
Was: "Researchers Create an Automatic Backup Band for Singers"
Correct Version: "Researchers Create a BAD Automatic Backup Band for BAD Singers"
OK. That was silly of me. But, I do have to say that if all music in the future was created like this, I'd probably stab myself in the ears. It's early in this game though... I suspect that once the concepts of the software are ironed out, the addition of more interesting chord progressions will happen. I'm still wondering how real musicians would wind up finding any use for this?
I've been using computer based music sequencers since the mid 80s and I think the last thing any real musician wants to see is "Microsoft Composer". I can see it now, instead of Clippy, they'll have "Wolfy" which will be a horrid caricature of Mozart appear every time you start to create a song:
1. You make something using minor 7ths and 9ths and Wolfy shows up, "I see you're writing an 'unhappy' song, would you like to make your song happy"?
2. You start sequencing something very abstract and atonal and this is the way you've worked on music for nearly three decades, up pops Wolfy, "It looks like you're having trouble getting started, would you like me to show you how to do a basic major C chord progression"?
3. You start inputing some heavy polyrhythms, and Wolfy butts in again, "Your song appears to be too rhythmically different, do you need help with a standard 4/4 beat"?
Ugh... more and more reduction to the lowest common denominator. Back in high school a friend and I came to the conclusion that all highly popular music would eventually be one note surrounded by 4/4 beats and grunts for lyrics. This software certainly seems to be taking things in that direction.
I keed I keed.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
This concept brings to mind "Screensaver Art." Some of the Linux 3d screensavers generate very beautiful pictures, but it differs from what a human artist would come up with (differs != better/worse). So it is, I think, with computer generated backing tracks.
Also, as a backing musician (keyboards), I can tell you that a lot of what I play depends on the realtime interaction I'm having with the vocalist that I'm backing up. I'm not sure how well a computer is going to be at picking up the subtleties of a vocalist's performance.
In a band? Use WheresTheGig for free.
I think the most interesting thing about this software is that they are obviously using some form of Neural Networks to implement the algorithm, Ok...possibly a Genetic Algorithm, but I think a NN would be more easily implemented here and more flexible because you could train more then one network with different sets of inputs and they would come up with a variety of options to choose from. Anytime a piece of software has to be "trained" it's most likely a neural network behind the scenes. Of course it won't match what a good musician could come up with anytime soon. After all a human being's set of input is not only all the music he's ever listened to, but his entire life experience.
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This is no good -- it's been done before. What I really, really want is a real live robot orchestra, all playing actual real full-size instruments, and with some kind of wireless interface for uploading MIDI files. And the robots should have some form of vision system, so that they can be conducted!
.....
I'd settle for a string quartet first, though
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
All I do, every day, is music. I am majoring in music and I don't have any GEs this quarter - I spend all my daytime surrounded by it. As such I LOVE helping non-majors with their music GE homework or talking to people about music (and not just "such and such music is good" but we discuss our OWN ideas on music that WE wrote). Now from that stand point this is absolutely awful. Why would they come and take a class for fun, learning, social interaction, and sell-fulfillment when they can belt into a computer mic like an over-sexed jackass? This is hardly "getting a taste of music creation" and it's just going to encourage people to continue to ignore music culture as a whole. Please don't spend money on this software so you can scream wildly and make a hardly listenable tune. Take that SAME money and free time and go buy a couple of lessons from a local guitarist/pianist/clarinetist/whateverist. The majority of us "classically trained musicians" aren't nearly as snooty and erudite as culture would have us look - we WANT to share this gift with you guys.
"Compliment each another"?
chords and melodies cannot compliment one another, however, they can complement one another, like complementaty colors.
and "each another" is just sloppy.
I've got mod points, so I'm not worried too much about burning karma...thus the latent grammar Nazi comes out.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
As any statistician would weigh in, the number of songs they've analyzed is far too puny to generate any kind
of usable data past the novelty of the first couple of times someone will hear or interact with this device.
When looking at the number of attributes and sophisticated tagging and analysis that goes on for a service
like Pandora, I'd wager that there is no way to generate something interesting for humans with less
than twenty to forty times more songs taken into account, not to speak of the number of interactive live
parameters the user should be able to modify in real time.... and even then it'll be restricted to certain
specific genres.
That's actually the depressing part, to listen to what the developers pick as being relevant and worthy,
and what they'd deemed unfit to be analyzed and incorporated into their data set, the 'cultural imperialism'
bit which I'd be quite wary of, and which may be impossible to avoid.
As always, the future is nothing but a collection of the best and the worst aspirations of humankind.
I didn't realize until now that removing the fun out of learning to play an instrument and discovering
the magic of interacting with others as a band was worthy of a team of people's time.
This makes me picture a time not too far into the future where other people may in turn be willing to pay a
great deal of money to be in an environment where nothing is fake, with no commercials, no electronic
networked distractions keeping us tethered, and no artificial simulacra, approximations of things that
once held a poetic value in life, (and which from all appearances will have become a ubiquitous
advertiser-sponsored bonanza of mediocre cultural algorithmically-generated blandness, which may be the
only thing that the less fortunate of us who cannot afford to experience the real thing will ever know....)
Philip K. Dick is having a field day!
Z.
It would be interesting (well, at least to me) to see this technology run in connection with Yamaha's Vocaloid technology. Vocaloid, as Wikipedia puts it, "is a singing synthesizer application software developed by the Yamaha Corporation that enables users to synthesize singing by just typing in lyrics and melody."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocaloid
The English version doesn't work very well, but the Japanese version called "Hatsune Miku" doesn't sound all that much worse than the average pop idol. That, admittedly, isn't saying much, but it's a neat little thing in a way. Well, to me.
If both were used in concert with one another, we'd have a wholly computer-generated voice being accompanied by a wholly computer-generated backup band. The human intervention comes in with the user typing the lyrics in, however.
Are there any free software equivalents that I can try right now? I guess it can be broken into two parts: 1) One takes an audio sample and generates chords, and 2) one that generates accompaniment based on the chord pattern.
There should be a third part to the module: 3) modify the chord and it would change your sung words or sounds to the follow the chord. Or at least keep all your notes for a given chord in line with the current chord.
"I've gotta a fever! And the only prescription is more Cowbell!" [/Christopher Walken]'
If somebody asks to be accompanied on an unknown song, most musicians will initially try the 4 chord progression known as Rhythm changes (named for Gershwin's "I've got Rhythm"). Often it works, and in listening to MS kludge it seems they likes their Rhythm changes.
Has anyone set this to "Developers! Developers! Developers!" yet?
"Since people rarely sing at precise frequencies".. As any f-transform will tell you a human voice is going at about an infinite number of different sized, distinct sin waves. Maybe I just have a huge pet peave when I hear things like this because the only thing that actually produce a single frequency is an object. Human voices never do... in fact 2 people singing with the same note have different sin patterns... anyway
I have heard it all before - http://www.fileprompt.com/
throw new NoSignatureException();
I've seen their voice recognition software in action.
I'm waiting for a "-1 somepeoplejustshouldn'tgetmodprivileges" meta-moderation.
I was wondering how they could top the big-ass table for a completely useless "innovation", but, by God, they've done it! Way to go, guys!
Is it just me or all the music "MySong" has created sound the same. Do I miss the point and merging the same piano with a recording of the user's voice is suddenly such a big achievement?
alias possession='chmod 666 satan && ls
Computer-generated vocals? Vocaloid 2 (though there are more Japanese voice packs than English ones at the moment) can belt out a pretty acceptable tune.
Lyric generation? If SCIgen can generate a fake scientific paper, then the drivel that constitutes most pop music shouldn't be too hard.
My response: "woop-ti-do"
10 year olds: "that sucked."
Reminds me of a former professor's work, "GenJam", from Al Biles at RIT.
It really sounds like something similar. Al Biles' software incorporates a genetic algorithm along with training from a human ear to choose "what sounds good".
It looks like the difference is that this generates full chord structures, instead of individual notes, and is designed to work with voices, which aren't as well trained.
Al's project has been at work for quite some time now, but he wrote a couple of chapters for "Evolutionary Music", released in 2007.
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
Thank you M$ for another piece of software that falls just that little bit short of interesting. This is going to spawn so many annoying youtube music videos
*goes back to playing rock band*
Drummer doesn't show up late and completely hammered.
Disadvantage:
Drummer is always on time and always perky.
Advantage:
The keyboard player isn't a dick.
Disadvantage:
The keyboard player doesn't voice chords in weird ways to give the music a sense of "motion".
Advantage:
You don't have to haul a Hammond B3 or Mellotron around with you.
Disdvantage:
Ummm. None on that one. Hammonds are a pain and Mellotrons are touchy cranky dinosaurs that are impossible to tune.
Advantage:
The guitar player doesn't pull all the chix.
Disadvantage:
You don't pull any of the chix anyway, because you're not a guitar player. You're a dweeby techno geek pretending to be a rockstar. There's nothing wrong with that - heck - Caribou's latest record, Andorra, is proof that a techno geek can make dead brilliant music. But you're still not gonna get groupies.
Advantage:
You get to be part of the problem - producing art in an age of mechanical overproduction.
Disadvantage:
You get to be part of the problem - producing art in an age of mechanical overproduction.
So, over all, it seems like a bit of a wash to me. Just another section card at HMV...
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Hey, thanks for listening. We'll be back right after I reboot the band...
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Or maybe they don't like to put the number into a web site. Or maybe they have credit problems (ergo, where they live).
Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens with fancy erasers; the 'net is just a fancy backyard fence.
In order to make interesting music with this one would have to screw with the algorithm. Make it do crazy stuff and if it produces 1 second of brilliance then it would be worth more than all the predictable crap that it would normally produce.
The imperfections in sound processing equipment and musical instruments is what makes them unique and interesting. In fact, music producers pay thousands for these imperfections. A singer's voice is memorable if there's an imperfection that makes it immediately noticeable from others. etc. etc.
I guess this will help people write "songs" but I don't think they will be good at all. Because good songs are more than just about the melody and the lyrics. Its also (if not more) about the music that backs it right down to the production values that recorded it.
Barack Obama knows how to get our attention with his super-fresh ringtone beats (http://www.barackobama.com/mobile/), now maybe I can finally understand what George Bush is preaching after filtering his speaches through MySong.
kid's parents can't stand.
Jazz...
Rock...
Metal...
Rap...
House...
Each progressively more annoying to previous music lover's than the last.
And now a type of music that has intentionally untrained singers, *AND* huge security holes? Well, if the album didn't annoy mom and dad, just wait'll they see what those Russian hackers are doing with their credit card!
BTW - you can't take a short cut to create the next style of popular music by doing something obviously designed to sound horrible, like throwing a cat at a piano. John Cage already tried. That only impresses the music departments at major universities for some reason.
Seriously though, I do look forward to seeing concerts where the "back up dancers" are actually just spandex clad MCSE's. Ooo, and the VH1 special which takes you back stage where they rehearse before the tour!
"And patch, and turn, and scratch your butt, and belch, reboot, and blame nVidia..."
I've been saying this for a while now, we will have entirely virtual pop stars within 20 years.
The holy grail of industrial scale music production is to remove humans from the creation. Right now the music industry takes in young "artists" (I use that word loosely) and creates their image for them, writes their songs for them, trains them on how to act and sing entirely so that they may appeal to the largest possible audience. This is why Rap and manufactured pop are the largest genres of music produced these days. From a business stand point why deal with a band who is already established, writes their own songs and has their own image and following? They will be difficult to control, you cant change them to appeal to more consumers, production will not happen on schedule and they may all of a sudden decide to break up or stop playing so its easier if you have someone you have shaped from day 1. By creating their public image, writing all their songs, etc. you essentially own them which makes good business sense as you can change the product at will as well as meet production deadlines and sales quota's.
This is why the creations of music should not be an industry.
This method is flawed and ineffective as they still rely on a person to actually perform the work. who does have their own mind (no matter how limited it is) and will occasionally act in a manner contrary to their well crafted image (drugs, speeding or whatever else the tabloids report). If they had the capacity to produce a realistic sounding human voice they are half way to producing the ideal pop star, one that always performs on time, never says the wrong thing, doesn't do drugs or gets on the wrong side of the law, one that can be changed at will to appeal to the largest possible audience. Combine this with a convincing CG video and some people wont even be able to tell that there isn't a real person behind this. Combine both of these with song writing AI and they will never have to pay royalties again (but that is probably a long way off) which would be the music industy's wet dream.
Microsoft has taken the first step towards virtualizing pop stars, it seems fitting that they are involved. Fortunately we are still a long way off from from an actual vocal recreation and a properly convincing CG (having an engine that could be interacted with in real time would be the ultimate goal). Unfortunately we are still stuck with manufactured Pop and Rap like Britney Spears, 50 Cent and Simple Plan.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Rats! This news is gonna hamper my release of the AbbaTron 5000, my masterpiece of AI and music. Bastards!
Table-ized A.I.
There is also a video of the process on the Microsoft Labs website.
In the vid, "Britney" (not her real name) is a cute babe. I dig the Betty Boop look. Maybe I'll send her a loooooove song also. Ratz, I'm married. Nevermind.
Table-ized A.I.
Well, back in my day we had it tough. We had to punch holes through 2-inch thick cards using nothing but a matchstick, 12 hours each day for tuppence. And the coffee machine could only make awful lukewarm coffee!
there is no god but truth, and reality is its prophet
Most music journalists will flag Nirvana as being the most important band of the last 20 years.
Watch the beginning/end of Dumb on MTV Unplugged. Kurt outright admits that they can't normally play Dumb and On A Plain back-to-back "because they're exactly the same song" but that TV editing will fix it.
8 million people bought Nevermind (On A Plain)
4 million people bought In Utero (Dumb)
5 million people bought MTV Unplugged (both)
Apparently a good song is still a good song, even if you record it as two separate ones.
You sound like a sore loser.
Haaaa!! Check this out. It looks like keineobachtubersie is nothing but an angry troll who got totally bitch-slapped by an Anonymous Coward. By the look of his lame comebacks, it looks like he bent right over and proudly took it up his ass. Geez, how low can you get? That faggot should learn to man-up. I don't see why he's crying in his pillow now. He had a perfect opportunity to fight back, but all he could say was "dewd, ur a lier!!".
Oh well. I'm glad I'm not him.
Training Day
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
Isn't it spelt fanboi?
Cheers, mate!
(Sorry, I had to add a little text here to get round the lameness filter. It thinks I'm yelling.)