10000 years+? Huh? How stupid are you? Honestly, I'm asking a real question here, not a personal attack. All it seems you've bought into is the usual fearmongering bullshit. Have you actually BEEN to a place that has any fallout you bitch about? I've been to Hiroshima AND Fukushima. Know what I found? Deadgrowth on Miyajima island nearby Hiroshima, lush greenery, beautiful scenery, oh, and amazing cities bereft of any signs there was a radioactive event sans a handful of monuments. Hell, Chernobyl would be cleaned up by now if Russia had an active need for the land. The surrounding area isn't so bad, but actual money is required to dismantle the reactor that Russia doesn't have the money to spend. Japan on the other hand? Fukushima will likely have people living on the land again inside of 5 years.
WTH? Do you actually know anything about Japan? This is THE most real estate scarce country. Geothermal eats tons of realestate for the numbers it generates among other problems. Japan's solution IS the fission option. They need electricity, and boatloads of it. Most of the way people even get around that country comes from the gobs of elecricity the reactors produce. Plus really, if you knew a damn thing about spent material, the issue is finding another plant to reprocess it & use it because the current gens have been around 50+ years and wern't made with that in mind. Problem is, wackjobs stop the new reactors from going online so they can munch on the fuel you moan about sitting around. Truly spent fuel has very little radioativity left and thus, less of the need for difficult storage.
Hell, if you really wanna split hairs, the US? F-tons of weapons grade material laying around that HAS to be stored, or used, not to mention is aging. Which means the enclosures around them are going to crack eventually. Those material need to be used till the levels go down, and becomes a simpler task to store. But hey, I already know theres no changing your mind. Too much kool-aid has been drank on your part.
Chinese do this to themselves already. Theres been a number of reports that have managed to seep out about this kind of thing. Generally happens with items that remain inside Chinese borders however. People get told to get on the trust for work for a few months, and aren't heard from until a police raid happens because the owner doesn't pay off the right officials anymore. Hell, it happens right in plain sight far too often. Hell, I was in a bath house in Shenzen. Cute little minx going to town on my legs & feet with one of the most badass massages I've had in years. She lives in the same building, is forbidden to leave unless she is quitting, her first SIX months of pay is taken by her suprvisor as a "thank you", oh, and I found out twards the end she was 17, and she seemed like on of the older women doing that. I'd had a number of massages, and other non-questionable services when I was there, but I got that one wrapped up to feeling a bit sickened by all of that, especially the last part. That kind of crap is just common-place. Especially giving anywhere from 6 months to a year of sallary to your boss.
Wait...did you actually USE the DC controller? It's easily one of the most comfy controllers I've ever played with. Looks like hell, but a great controller.
Actually I am French so thank you for noticing, of which, I'm quite proud of. As for knowing Japanese look down on me? Why yes I do know this, but there are bonuses among this kind of drawback. Making the smallest of attempts to assmiliate is almost treated as unheared of in Japan. This is the same place one of the most genuine people I know used to be a neighbor. Yet, he lived there for over seven years, and could barely mutter basic phrases. It's something I run into more often than not.
It is a country of in-group, out-group where each group is just part of an onion. Those who can't? Well, they can hang out with all the other awkward ex-pats for all I care. They all leave after a few years anyways after it loses it's novelty. Getting freaked out, and wanting to gobble up GC's that are much better used elsewhere however is just plain stupid regardless.
Yeah, you can, however people won't configure UAC to ask for passwords. The war on that kind of thing has been lost ages ago with Windows users. Not to mention, to run all the legacy crap Windows users want almost always wants escalated privelages. Hell, Skype for instance wants elevated privelages, and it's a current day app. OSX? Theres a model devs either follow, or watch user's complain when their software asks for rights it has zero buisness requesting. Putting an app doesn't need admin access, installing files outside of the regular App-space? Yes, it's my one big gripe with MS-Office & Adobe CS on OSX. Both were coded in the Windows mentality which is a giant heap of crap.
But really, this kid got what he deserves. This kind of stuff goes on in China all the damn time. On the upside, the kid didn't have his organs harvested when he was in a labor camp. He at least got paid a bit of money, and has something to show for it. The only reason this made any kind of Western headlines is because he wanted an Apple widget. If organ harvesting was feasable back when America was up & coming, you can bet the same crap would have gone on. Instead? We just snatched people of different color from their homelands, and forced them to work for barely enough to eat. This kind of stuff will hopefully fall by the wayside more as more people in China see more stories like this. Which sadly, due to the media cencorship in China will make things rather difficult. They have little exposure about this kind of stuff that it's incredibly stupid to do, and they need more stories about this kind of thing so others are less inclined to make such stupid mistakes.
Simple kind of scenario when you were growing up. Did you learn that something was dangerous when your parents told you it was a bad idea, or did you learn when you watched Timmy or Sally down the street do that exact thing, and get injured? One gets hurt, the whole neighborhood learns a valuable lesson.
Funny thing is that GM crops have been found to be fertilizing here & there. Scenario goes: neighbor does GM crops, then next year they GM companies lawyers are pounding on your door saying you'r crops have GM genes in them. Destroy them or pay up. It's really effing stupid. Nature finds a way. Especially when you try to control it on such a large scale. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this was something helping to kill of bees.
Yeah, since like Windows 7 it's not integrated into Windows in the sense it can be "uninstalled" but not really. Yet it still has a ton of privelages even in 7 it has zero buisness having. Safari is just another dumb application as far as OSX is considered. Any exploit to try to get something running outside of it's box is still going to have to interact with the OS, and throw a flag up like asking for the local machine username & password. Worst someone might get in 7 is a UAC prompt which people will outright disable because it's annoying. Everything before 7? Yeah, theres a reason I've had, and still have a large number of infected XP, Vista, and 7 machines to work on that keep me quite busy.
Exactly, and the family has never owned a Geiger Counter so they have no clue what to do with one. Alpha radiation as a good example is very poorly picked up by a GC. Which even if it is, those clicks don't diferenciate. I'm just glad the real tools that CAN differenciate are far outside this familie's reach because they don't have a clue. Wanna know the simple way to avoid the majority of radiation in food? Cut leafy greens and milk out. Just about everything else is not nearly as susseptible to picking up radiation. Of which, the highest levels found are straight up laughable, yet got entire plantations of crops destroyed. I truly love the stupidity of foreigners in Japan. It's why I rarely ever bother to make friends with any in Japan. They rarely bother to learn the most rudimentary Japanese (my last neighbor, lived there 7 years, and could barely count to 10), act like the country is a playground, and "I" end up getting looked at like I'm responsible when they are being douchebags in public, and I happen to be unfortionate enough to be around them.
Hell, don't let this group of simpletons around bannanas with a GC. They'll never eat them again!
They haven't actually purchased one yet, or they would know this. The honestly have no clue about them, and shouldn't be using one. They just know allot of noise=bad. I would bet good money the family is not Japanese.
No, not really, Geiger Counters are honestly something not meant for public use. If their family is that freaked out about the radiation, and don't trust the government, they need to jump ship like all the other weird foreigners that panic instead of being selfish and gobbling up the supply of Geiger Counters officials could be snatching up. Unless they are getting food that was raised next to the reactors, the dosage is going to be laughable. They'll get more radiation on their flight back to the states than from any ammount of cumulative food they are going to eat. Morons the whole lot of them.
I don't mean to nitpick, but the server edition is actually $499. Ulimited client however, which does make it way cheaper than almost any version of non-home based Windows servers. Simple as hell to setup too.
You do realize that's a marketing ploy in itself rite? Signtures are really easy to change. Every email is a marketing tool for Apple. Plus really, I don't see Jobs as a chained to his desk type. Even with his ailing physical state.
People use Safari on the Mac? I haven't used Safari on any of my Mac machines in YEARS. Last time I've used Safari was to download Firefox or Chrome. Not to mention, Safari isn't integrated into the OS like IE, so the attack isn't going to get you nearly as much. The user will still end up being prompted to enter their password if anything tries to cross that threshold. That kind of thing sets off a MUCH bigger bell in someone's head than "click yes to get awesome ringtones". Next straw man please!
And when developers MAKE a game worth 50-60 I'll happily pay it. Problem is, most make a game worth 30-40, and then release the DLC a month later that makes it worth 50-60. I end up waiting until it's on some stupid Steam sale usually for 10-15 because of this.
Honestly, this guy, and really, NOBODY has any buisness attempting to be a PUBLIC figure for Anonymous. It's in the NAME! Allot of the disention likely stems from him wanting to be a vapid attention seeking whore. It's best he steps down, and no one else attempt to be some figurehead. Anonymous is best off sticking to the whims of the masses. This is more like Anon getting back to buisness of doing things for the "lulz". And no, I do not identify with them, or say I am not with them. This is the nature of where this group springs from.
Yes, it's VERY easy to teach how and install RAM, but not everyonehas a/.ers mentality. Not to mention if this is a corp situation, once those machines are deployed, and a lock slapped on them? ANY upgrades will be time consuming AND just as costly as they woulda been to have them done at the factory if not more due to the "process". Liiiike user having slower machine in a couple years, hobbles along for a bit, puts in a few tickets decrying the speed, a few weak tuneups later they FINALLY get approved to a memory upgrade, get signoffs, schedule time with tech to install, hopefully both show up at that time, and done finally. Probably all of that ended up costing the company twice what it woulda costed to just do it at the factory, or have techs install it the moment it's recieved.
That has more to do with the gauge of the wiring used than quality. Cheaper cables will take the gauge down to a few strands of copper. Theres a certain point that copper can't power the drive due to laws of imedence when you start dropping the gauge down too far.
Wait, what? You had me up to you doubled the RAM in your Mac workstation to 8gigs, but a spyware removal would be more helpful. I'm guessing we run bootcamp?
I'm not saying the rest is BS, because it's not. Just, anyone worth thier shit knows onces you go past 4GB on any desktop OS the returns are diminishing. Only worthwhile return anyone can get is someone working with a load of software suites doing design work that alllll gota be open, and prolly turn off the swap disk, or doing videoediting.
Honestly, that's your own fault for trying to save a bad drive image. ANY bad sectors on a drive instantly gets a "NO" with using Vista to using any kind of drive imager from me. Drives that fail SMART? Maaaaybe...sectors? Not ever...It's not that you are being attentive to the customer, and trying to be nice, it's that you are taking TOO LONG to go down a route wraught with trouble. That's one of those paths you avoid since they will be without their PC for quite a bit longer with possibly a reinstalled OS anyways. Reinstall the OS (real techs have the right install media), use the key on the laptop's sticker (if none, I make them buy a new OEM key), dump their files over into a new profile, run updates, and hand them back their machine with the hard drive in case something was missed.
It sucks, but not reinstalling in that instance from scratch is a rookie mistake. I was say you got a bad shake with the Vista system since XP, and 7 can run a Windows repair and usually recover from those corrupted files. For whatever reason MS thought it was wise to pull it from Vista unless you can get into Visa *rages*
3.0 was made for tablets like the XOOM only. The phone stack is nonexistant because of this very fact. It also give them an excuse to keep me from loading the GOOD non-beta version of 3.0 on my Nook Color. 2.3.3 is still pretty nice though:-)
The funny thing that I've noticed is that management at the big corps still don't care about this. I've been watching this specific scenario happen over and over. IT turns into a kludge due to a lack of direction (those managers you speak of missing), and for whatever reason these companies think the answer is cutting costs even further. How they are doing it? Outsourcing! Your local helpdesk to India or Philippines, and your local IT people? Pushed over to the outsource company if they are techs, and if they are coders, engineers, etc. they have been getting the axe. They end up replacing them all with overworked people from the outsourcing company who come in with no clue about the buisness, likely will never set foot on their buisnesses property, and think all of that will make things better.
Larger corporations really have quite the hatred for the very people they need to make the wheels go round, and it makes no sense to me. They all end up getting burned anyways. They either end up having to kick the outsource group out on their ass, and try to kiss ass to their employees they just screwed, stagnate since projects to push the company forward cost the outsource group money when what's in place "works right now", or even more comically, they end up bringing on an VIP IT staff specifically to manage the higher up's ideas and problems since the outsource companies won't do a damn thing an SLA doesn't make them do, CIOs know this, but run with it anyways for that bonus before they jump ship.
It's getting much worse before it'll get better...
I think really the only effed up country that charges for ATM's is America. I go all over Asia, and NEVER had ATM fees from those. Well, I lie actually, my bank charges a 1% conversion fee to foreign currency of the ATM which is STILL a far cry from anywhere from $1.50 to $20 depending on the ATM.
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10000 years+? Huh? How stupid are you? Honestly, I'm asking a real question here, not a personal attack. All it seems you've bought into is the usual fearmongering bullshit. Have you actually BEEN to a place that has any fallout you bitch about? I've been to Hiroshima AND Fukushima. Know what I found? Deadgrowth on Miyajima island nearby Hiroshima, lush greenery, beautiful scenery, oh, and amazing cities bereft of any signs there was a radioactive event sans a handful of monuments. Hell, Chernobyl would be cleaned up by now if Russia had an active need for the land. The surrounding area isn't so bad, but actual money is required to dismantle the reactor that Russia doesn't have the money to spend. Japan on the other hand? Fukushima will likely have people living on the land again inside of 5 years.
WTH? Do you actually know anything about Japan? This is THE most real estate scarce country. Geothermal eats tons of realestate for the numbers it generates among other problems. Japan's solution IS the fission option. They need electricity, and boatloads of it. Most of the way people even get around that country comes from the gobs of elecricity the reactors produce. Plus really, if you knew a damn thing about spent material, the issue is finding another plant to reprocess it & use it because the current gens have been around 50+ years and wern't made with that in mind. Problem is, wackjobs stop the new reactors from going online so they can munch on the fuel you moan about sitting around. Truly spent fuel has very little radioativity left and thus, less of the need for difficult storage.
Hell, if you really wanna split hairs, the US? F-tons of weapons grade material laying around that HAS to be stored, or used, not to mention is aging. Which means the enclosures around them are going to crack eventually. Those material need to be used till the levels go down, and becomes a simpler task to store. But hey, I already know theres no changing your mind. Too much kool-aid has been drank on your part.
Chinese do this to themselves already. Theres been a number of reports that have managed to seep out about this kind of thing. Generally happens with items that remain inside Chinese borders however. People get told to get on the trust for work for a few months, and aren't heard from until a police raid happens because the owner doesn't pay off the right officials anymore. Hell, it happens right in plain sight far too often. Hell, I was in a bath house in Shenzen. Cute little minx going to town on my legs & feet with one of the most badass massages I've had in years. She lives in the same building, is forbidden to leave unless she is quitting, her first SIX months of pay is taken by her suprvisor as a "thank you", oh, and I found out twards the end she was 17, and she seemed like on of the older women doing that. I'd had a number of massages, and other non-questionable services when I was there, but I got that one wrapped up to feeling a bit sickened by all of that, especially the last part. That kind of crap is just common-place. Especially giving anywhere from 6 months to a year of sallary to your boss.
Wait...did you actually USE the DC controller? It's easily one of the most comfy controllers I've ever played with. Looks like hell, but a great controller.
Actually I am French so thank you for noticing, of which, I'm quite proud of. As for knowing Japanese look down on me? Why yes I do know this, but there are bonuses among this kind of drawback. Making the smallest of attempts to assmiliate is almost treated as unheared of in Japan. This is the same place one of the most genuine people I know used to be a neighbor. Yet, he lived there for over seven years, and could barely mutter basic phrases. It's something I run into more often than not.
It is a country of in-group, out-group where each group is just part of an onion. Those who can't? Well, they can hang out with all the other awkward ex-pats for all I care. They all leave after a few years anyways after it loses it's novelty. Getting freaked out, and wanting to gobble up GC's that are much better used elsewhere however is just plain stupid regardless.
Yeah, you can, however people won't configure UAC to ask for passwords. The war on that kind of thing has been lost ages ago with Windows users. Not to mention, to run all the legacy crap Windows users want almost always wants escalated privelages. Hell, Skype for instance wants elevated privelages, and it's a current day app. OSX? Theres a model devs either follow, or watch user's complain when their software asks for rights it has zero buisness requesting. Putting an app doesn't need admin access, installing files outside of the regular App-space? Yes, it's my one big gripe with MS-Office & Adobe CS on OSX. Both were coded in the Windows mentality which is a giant heap of crap.
But really, this kid got what he deserves. This kind of stuff goes on in China all the damn time. On the upside, the kid didn't have his organs harvested when he was in a labor camp. He at least got paid a bit of money, and has something to show for it. The only reason this made any kind of Western headlines is because he wanted an Apple widget. If organ harvesting was feasable back when America was up & coming, you can bet the same crap would have gone on. Instead? We just snatched people of different color from their homelands, and forced them to work for barely enough to eat. This kind of stuff will hopefully fall by the wayside more as more people in China see more stories like this. Which sadly, due to the media cencorship in China will make things rather difficult. They have little exposure about this kind of stuff that it's incredibly stupid to do, and they need more stories about this kind of thing so others are less inclined to make such stupid mistakes.
Simple kind of scenario when you were growing up. Did you learn that something was dangerous when your parents told you it was a bad idea, or did you learn when you watched Timmy or Sally down the street do that exact thing, and get injured? One gets hurt, the whole neighborhood learns a valuable lesson.
Funny thing is that GM crops have been found to be fertilizing here & there. Scenario goes: neighbor does GM crops, then next year they GM companies lawyers are pounding on your door saying you'r crops have GM genes in them. Destroy them or pay up. It's really effing stupid. Nature finds a way. Especially when you try to control it on such a large scale. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this was something helping to kill of bees.
Yeah, since like Windows 7 it's not integrated into Windows in the sense it can be "uninstalled" but not really. Yet it still has a ton of privelages even in 7 it has zero buisness having. Safari is just another dumb application as far as OSX is considered. Any exploit to try to get something running outside of it's box is still going to have to interact with the OS, and throw a flag up like asking for the local machine username & password. Worst someone might get in 7 is a UAC prompt which people will outright disable because it's annoying. Everything before 7? Yeah, theres a reason I've had, and still have a large number of infected XP, Vista, and 7 machines to work on that keep me quite busy.
Exactly, and the family has never owned a Geiger Counter so they have no clue what to do with one. Alpha radiation as a good example is very poorly picked up by a GC. Which even if it is, those clicks don't diferenciate. I'm just glad the real tools that CAN differenciate are far outside this familie's reach because they don't have a clue. Wanna know the simple way to avoid the majority of radiation in food? Cut leafy greens and milk out. Just about everything else is not nearly as susseptible to picking up radiation. Of which, the highest levels found are straight up laughable, yet got entire plantations of crops destroyed. I truly love the stupidity of foreigners in Japan. It's why I rarely ever bother to make friends with any in Japan. They rarely bother to learn the most rudimentary Japanese (my last neighbor, lived there 7 years, and could barely count to 10), act like the country is a playground, and "I" end up getting looked at like I'm responsible when they are being douchebags in public, and I happen to be unfortionate enough to be around them.
Hell, don't let this group of simpletons around bannanas with a GC. They'll never eat them again!
Nor should a normal detector. The can should completely isolate the material from being detectable by a GC.
They haven't actually purchased one yet, or they would know this. The honestly have no clue about them, and shouldn't be using one. They just know allot of noise=bad. I would bet good money the family is not Japanese.
No, not really, Geiger Counters are honestly something not meant for public use. If their family is that freaked out about the radiation, and don't trust the government, they need to jump ship like all the other weird foreigners that panic instead of being selfish and gobbling up the supply of Geiger Counters officials could be snatching up. Unless they are getting food that was raised next to the reactors, the dosage is going to be laughable. They'll get more radiation on their flight back to the states than from any ammount of cumulative food they are going to eat. Morons the whole lot of them.
I don't mean to nitpick, but the server edition is actually $499. Ulimited client however, which does make it way cheaper than almost any version of non-home based Windows servers. Simple as hell to setup too.
You do realize that's a marketing ploy in itself rite? Signtures are really easy to change. Every email is a marketing tool for Apple. Plus really, I don't see Jobs as a chained to his desk type. Even with his ailing physical state.
People use Safari on the Mac? I haven't used Safari on any of my Mac machines in YEARS. Last time I've used Safari was to download Firefox or Chrome. Not to mention, Safari isn't integrated into the OS like IE, so the attack isn't going to get you nearly as much. The user will still end up being prompted to enter their password if anything tries to cross that threshold. That kind of thing sets off a MUCH bigger bell in someone's head than "click yes to get awesome ringtones". Next straw man please!
And when developers MAKE a game worth 50-60 I'll happily pay it. Problem is, most make a game worth 30-40, and then release the DLC a month later that makes it worth 50-60. I end up waiting until it's on some stupid Steam sale usually for 10-15 because of this.
Honestly, this guy, and really, NOBODY has any buisness attempting to be a PUBLIC figure for Anonymous. It's in the NAME! Allot of the disention likely stems from him wanting to be a vapid attention seeking whore. It's best he steps down, and no one else attempt to be some figurehead. Anonymous is best off sticking to the whims of the masses. This is more like Anon getting back to buisness of doing things for the "lulz". And no, I do not identify with them, or say I am not with them. This is the nature of where this group springs from.
Remeber, Anonymous does not forgive.
Yes, it's VERY easy to teach how and install RAM, but not everyonehas a /.ers mentality. Not to mention if this is a corp situation, once those machines are deployed, and a lock slapped on them? ANY upgrades will be time consuming AND just as costly as they woulda been to have them done at the factory if not more due to the "process". Liiiike user having slower machine in a couple years, hobbles along for a bit, puts in a few tickets decrying the speed, a few weak tuneups later they FINALLY get approved to a memory upgrade, get signoffs, schedule time with tech to install, hopefully both show up at that time, and done finally. Probably all of that ended up costing the company twice what it woulda costed to just do it at the factory, or have techs install it the moment it's recieved.
That has more to do with the gauge of the wiring used than quality. Cheaper cables will take the gauge down to a few strands of copper. Theres a certain point that copper can't power the drive due to laws of imedence when you start dropping the gauge down too far.
Wait, what? You had me up to you doubled the RAM in your Mac workstation to 8gigs, but a spyware removal would be more helpful. I'm guessing we run bootcamp?
I'm not saying the rest is BS, because it's not. Just, anyone worth thier shit knows onces you go past 4GB on any desktop OS the returns are diminishing. Only worthwhile return anyone can get is someone working with a load of software suites doing design work that alllll gota be open, and prolly turn off the swap disk, or doing videoediting.
Honestly, that's your own fault for trying to save a bad drive image. ANY bad sectors on a drive instantly gets a "NO" with using Vista to using any kind of drive imager from me. Drives that fail SMART? Maaaaybe...sectors? Not ever...It's not that you are being attentive to the customer, and trying to be nice, it's that you are taking TOO LONG to go down a route wraught with trouble. That's one of those paths you avoid since they will be without their PC for quite a bit longer with possibly a reinstalled OS anyways. Reinstall the OS (real techs have the right install media), use the key on the laptop's sticker (if none, I make them buy a new OEM key), dump their files over into a new profile, run updates, and hand them back their machine with the hard drive in case something was missed.
It sucks, but not reinstalling in that instance from scratch is a rookie mistake. I was say you got a bad shake with the Vista system since XP, and 7 can run a Windows repair and usually recover from those corrupted files. For whatever reason MS thought it was wise to pull it from Vista unless you can get into Visa *rages*
3.0 was made for tablets like the XOOM only. The phone stack is nonexistant because of this very fact. It also give them an excuse to keep me from loading the GOOD non-beta version of 3.0 on my Nook Color. 2.3.3 is still pretty nice though :-)
The funny thing that I've noticed is that management at the big corps still don't care about this. I've been watching this specific scenario happen over and over. IT turns into a kludge due to a lack of direction (those managers you speak of missing), and for whatever reason these companies think the answer is cutting costs even further. How they are doing it? Outsourcing! Your local helpdesk to India or Philippines, and your local IT people? Pushed over to the outsource company if they are techs, and if they are coders, engineers, etc. they have been getting the axe. They end up replacing them all with overworked people from the outsourcing company who come in with no clue about the buisness, likely will never set foot on their buisnesses property, and think all of that will make things better.
Larger corporations really have quite the hatred for the very people they need to make the wheels go round, and it makes no sense to me. They all end up getting burned anyways. They either end up having to kick the outsource group out on their ass, and try to kiss ass to their employees they just screwed, stagnate since projects to push the company forward cost the outsource group money when what's in place "works right now", or even more comically, they end up bringing on an VIP IT staff specifically to manage the higher up's ideas and problems since the outsource companies won't do a damn thing an SLA doesn't make them do, CIOs know this, but run with it anyways for that bonus before they jump ship.
It's getting much worse before it'll get better...
I think really the only effed up country that charges for ATM's is America. I go all over Asia, and NEVER had ATM fees from those. Well, I lie actually, my bank charges a 1% conversion fee to foreign currency of the ATM which is STILL a far cry from anywhere from $1.50 to $20 depending on the ATM.