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Nintendo Announces New Console: Wii U

_xeno_ writes "Nintendo has announced the official name for what had been known as 'Project Cafe:' the Wii U. It is an HD console, it retains backwards compatibility with the Wii (it's unclear if this includes GameCube software), and the controller does, in fact, have a touch screen on it. Nintendo demoed moving a game off the TV and playing it solely on the Wii U controller." Also in E3 news, cylonlover writes "At its E3 press conference Sony finally revealed that its next generation handheld — previously codenamed the NGP — will carry the official moniker of the 'PlayStation Vita.' The PS Vita — which is Latin for 'life' — will come in two flavors: a Wi-Fi only version priced at $249 in the US, JPY24,980 in Japan, and EUR249 in Europe, and a 3G/Wi-Fi version going for US$299, JPY29,980 and EUR299."

330 comments

  1. My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    My Hands hurt just looking at that controller.

    1. Re:My hands hurt... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it looks like what the Sega Game Gear would have looked like if it had been designed by Apple

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    2. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did your hands fall off when the Wii came out too?

      Impressions of actual users of the controller are positive for ergonomics.

      This is Nintendo, the last controller they designed that sucked was the original NES', and that was awesome for the time (don't say GC/N64 controllers, yeah they're weird but damn if they weren't comfy).

    3. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the remote for the Sony Google TV's. Just replace the buttons with a touch screen.

    4. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at these prices, your butt should hurt even more -- But then, maybe that's the way you all like it -- Fuckin' rip off all this shit

    5. Re:My hands hurt... by sqldr · · Score: 1, Funny

      after a recent incident involving a bottle of cinzano and a wii nunchuck, I'm having similar feelings about my butt

      er, did I just say that out loud?

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    6. Re:My hands hurt... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Good lord, that's the first thing I thought too. I love the specs and games they've announced, but Jesus does that controller look like it would be a pain in the ass to hold for any length of time. I get carpal tunnel syndrome just looking at it. Damn thing is almost as big as an iPad (and a lot heavier I bet).

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    7. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Sega, I seem to remember them trying something similar but without the huge. It was a smaller screen, yeah, but it has to be cheaper and easier than this behemoth. Wii U, more like leWiiathan

    8. Re:My hands hurt... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      And it failed pretty miserably, because no one wanted to use a controller that weighed about a pound.

        I have no idea what Nintendo was thinking with this. It looks completely impossible to play any game comfortably, or to even use this thing for more than 2 minutes. Either make the controller entirely touchscreen, or make it ergonomic. It can't be both.

        I think it's time to sell Nintendo stock.

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    9. Re:My hands hurt... by Toonol · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about the N64 controllers, but the Gamecube controllers were fantastic. The wiimote/nunchuck is decent, but different... the Wii's classic controller may be the best gamepad ever for a console. I'm not worried about ergonomics, here.

      Having even a tiny black-and-white screen on the Dreamcast was nice; I think this will be great.

    10. Re:My hands hurt... by jbonomi · · Score: 5, Informative

      IGN's hands on says it's light and comfortable to hold. I think we should hold off judgement until we can hold them ourselves.

    11. Re:My hands hurt... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      You mean the VMU that ate watch batteries like they were candy and had the sophistication to play a really dumb version of Space Invaders? Yeah, I can see where you'd draw a comparison.

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    12. Re:My hands hurt... by butalearner · · Score: 1

      It seems almost custom made for Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles-style games. That was pretty awesome if you had three friends and all of you had gameboy advances and link cables.

    13. Re:My hands hurt... by Huckabees · · Score: 1

      Lest we not forget the Sony "boomerang" controller that originally debuted with the PS3 concept design. I'm sure some users gave that positive reviews to be paraded around like it was.

      That design was vehemently debated between fanboys for months before Sony finally announced it was just going to use basically the same controller design from the PS2. Considering this console isn't going to launch until late next year (and let's face it with a launch window like what they gave we'll probably see it sometime in 2013) I would hardly be surprised to see the same thing happen.

    14. Re:My hands hurt... by crashcodesdotcom · · Score: 1

      Those dreamcast VMUs didn't weigh much. I don't recall anything cool going on them. Did Skies of Arcadia utilize it a little... hrm... Nintendo already copied the playable VMU things a bit with the GBA connectors to the GameCube. It was the only way to play multi-player in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. What I want to know is can I just carry the controller around and play mini-games on it then synch with the main console later?

    15. Re:My hands hurt... by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      The only issue I have with the Wii Classic controller is that the analog sticks are way too stiff for virtual console games like Ocarina of Time. It makes the carnival arrow game extremely difficult. Of course, with the new Wiittachment, you could just tap directly on the target, eliminating all that fuss with aiming. Heh.

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    16. Re:My hands hurt... by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      I agree. While the N64 was one of the worst controllers I've ever used on a modern console, the Gamecube controller was absolutely fantastic. It's still the most comfortable controller I've ever used.

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    17. Re:My hands hurt... by Runefox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Over a decade ago, when our cell phones were still rocking monochrome displays and just then getting into WAP browsing? Yeah. That's a great comparison, actually, and points out where the concept would have begun in the 'modern' era. Remember, that was about the extent of what our technology of the era could bring to bear without HUGE cost, which incidentally I imagine will be a very present issue with the Wii u's main controller.

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    18. Re:My hands hurt... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Dreamcast's failure is unlikely to have had anything to do with the controller, PARTICULARLY since the LCD screen was an addon device that most games didn't even use and all 3rd party memory cards (and possibly some first part - my memory is fuzzy there) completely omitted.

      Overall, I'd say that Dreamcast's failure was more so a combination of people opting to wait for Sony's console (given the track record between the two in the previous generation), as well as the fact that Dreamcast games could be pirated merely by downloading the image and burning it with a regular CD burner.

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    19. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. That monstrosity should not have gotten past the first layer of concept design. It's like an old xbox controller, the sega genesis controller and an iphone had a threesome

    20. Re:My hands hurt... by jbonomi · · Score: 1

      It's been stated that the display on the controller is actually streamed from the console in real time. Apparently, this makes the controllers more affordable: they are dumb and probably don't have much in the way of storage.

    21. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... That means that DRM was ... da da da ... successful?

    22. Re:My hands hurt... by jbonomi · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Nintendo knows a lot more about what they're doing than you do.

    23. Re:My hands hurt... by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn thing is almost as big as an iPad (and a lot heavier I bet).

      Why on earth wound it be heavier? It is smaller, requires far simpler electronics, probably has much less in the way of a battery, and is primarily made of plastic.

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    24. Re:My hands hurt... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, Nintendo is indeed capable of making mistakes. If you doubt it, I have two words for you: Virtual Boy.

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    25. Re:My hands hurt... by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why people hate N64 controllers so much. I played Turok, Banjo-kazooie, Mario 64, and Zelda on it, and it felt just fine to me.

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    26. Re:My hands hurt... by juancn · · Score: 1

      Early hands-on seem to agree that the controller is really comfortable. For example Ars Technica.

    27. Re:My hands hurt... by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      It was the analog stick. Out of the box, it didn't have the best sensitivity and, after a couple months of modest play, it was just terrible. I went through 3 controllers and I barely even played the console.

      As far as the shape of the controller, I didn't mind that so much. It was just that darn analog...it was terrible.

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    28. Re:My hands hurt... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Not really, since the games WERE DRM'd. It just so happens that it was a very, very weak and easily circumvented DRM'd.

      Also, as a Dreamcast owner who DIDN'T pirate games, I can honestly say that the library was a bit thin. I liked Soul Caliber, Grandia 2, and RE: Code Veronica. Other than that - it just didn't hold my attention. No fault of the hardware there though.

      I'll admit that the ONLY reason I ended up getting a Dreamcast was because it debuted right after I left home for college. I had left my N64 at home when I left (because it technically belonged to both me and my younger siblings so I let them have it), and I was bored with only my computer to play games on, so I bought the first new console that came out.

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    29. Re:My hands hurt... by muindaur · · Score: 1

      How more affordable? I still see them costing well more than a current Wii controller.

      That just turns me off from a cost standpoint. Controllers shouldn't cost as much as a game, and looking at the screen plus the size I don't see less than $60.

    30. Re:My hands hurt... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Heh. Yeah, Nintendo is capable of making mistakes, the most recent one coming to mind is a high-concept system from fifteen years ago.

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    31. Re:My hands hurt... by slapout · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hold off judgment until we hold them ourselves? You must be new here.

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    32. Re:My hands hurt... by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      It's funny reading comments that can be restated as "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm not letting that stop me!"

    33. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They should have made the DS the controller for the new console. The one they're showing now is just embarrassing.

    34. Re:My hands hurt... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Try sharing an N64 with a grade school age sibling and all of their friends...

      I swear to God, we must have gone through about 20 of those damn controllers. The analog stick lasted maybe a month before it felt like someone had poured a tablespoon of pure sugar into the housing. At least that was back when controllers only cost $20 to replace. If that had happened today with my 360 or PS3 controller heads would have been rolling.

      My SNES controller, on the other hand, I've bounced it off of solid brick and it worked flawlessly. I still have my original SNES controllers, they've turned yellow (the plastic on the old SNES ages weird) and things rattle in some of them but they still work.

    35. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I bet that boomerang controller WOULD have been very comfortable. I used to have a 3rd party controller made by "Alps" for my PlayStation that looked very similar and it was probably the most comfortable and well made gamepad I've ever used. I wish I still had it.

    36. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that sexy.

    37. Re:My hands hurt... by parlancex · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go ahead and pass judgement right fucking now. Whether or not it's heavy, it's:

      1. Pretty damn large
      2. Probably expensive, at least significantly moreso than any other console controllers
      3. Fragile, as in, fragile enough that you don't want to wave it around like a moron and send it flying into a wall to shatter the delicate expensive screen

    38. Re:My hands hurt... by parlancex · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot.

      4. Probably has a battery life of less than 10 hours when the screen is in use.

      I guess they probably don't see that as a problem because their target demographic doesn't play games for longer than half an hour anyway.

    39. Re:My hands hurt... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It might be light and comfortable, but it seems everything will be two-handed. The Wii had many Wiimote-only games perfect for snacking and some beers on the side. It also means it doesn't really work well as a sword or a golf club or tennis racket or whatever, I guess that's been done already but personally I hope they'll do new classic Wii-controller games in full HD.

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    40. Re:My hands hurt... by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they won't be expecting people to buy four of those. I reckon the newer WiiMote with built in Motion Plus will be the main playing remote for these, and the larger remote will be more for surfing from the sofa and playing more complicated games that are normally better on a PC. There's no way the Wii gaming model can work on a large rectangular remote - you couldn't simulate fishing or bowling with one of those.

    41. Re:My hands hurt... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      as a Dreamcast owner who DIDN'T pirate games

      Then you've missed the best it can offer; some of the best DC games were rare imports, or even leaked betas of cancelled titles.

    42. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I rented a SNES when it first came out and we "broke" one of the controllers. That rattling is a series of plastic pegs near the controller's cable that have snapped off.

      My Dad took it apart and repaired it before we returned it to the rental place. Hehe.

    43. Re:My hands hurt... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Yeah, it looks like what the Sega Game Gear would have looked like if it had been designed by Apple"

      To quote my fiance: "That looks like a Game Gear raped a Kindle and this is the bastard child, but without all the buttons."

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    44. Re:My hands hurt... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      You liked Grandia 2 but not Skies of Arcadia? O_O

    45. Re:My hands hurt... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Bad stick, like sibling post said, plus the fact that you not only had to move your thumb, but let go of the controller and move your hand to use the D-pad. GCN made that better but, as much as I hate to say it, Microsoft and the 360 got the layout just about perfect.

    46. Re:My hands hurt... by VanGarrett · · Score: 2

      More than that, the LCD display allowed the VMU to do substantially more than anyone expected from a simple memory card. Moving data around from card to card didn't require the console to accomplish, as it could be done directly from one memory card to another, and when you've been getting yourself engrossed in a game, you could take a little part of it with you, to play while you're out and about. In the mean time, the LCD offered a subset of the Wii U controller's advantages, in terms of giving individual players unique information during multiplayer games. It's a shame that more developers didn't take advantage of it, and frankly, it's a feature of the Dreamcast that I really miss.

      That said, it seems to me that the Wii U's controller loses a lot of that which made the original Wii's controller so compelling. Possibly, they should have tried to keep it smaller or at least slimmer, so as to retain what the original controller had.

    47. Re:My hands hurt... by grumbel · · Score: 1

      I hope they'll do new classic Wii-controller games in full HD.

      Judging from their demo videos, you have one screen-controller for the hardcore games and regular old Wiimotes for multiplayer and casual stuff. They even showed weird stuff like putting the screen-controller on the ground showing a golf-ball and then swinging with a Wiimote.

    48. Re:My hands hurt... by Amarantine · · Score: 1

      Overall, I'd say that Dreamcast's failure was more so a combination of people opting to wait for Sony's console (given the track record between the two in the previous generation), as well as the fact that Dreamcast games could be pirated merely by downloading the image and burning it with a regular CD burner.

      Not to mention, lack of support from some important players in the field, notably EA.

    49. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly, they should have tried to keep it smaller or at least slimmer, so as to retain what the original controller had.

      Why? it isn't like the original controller is going anywhere. They pretty much stated that they are keeping the wiimote, add-ons and all. This is just another controller. I am sure the Wiimote will stick around for a while

    50. Re:My hands hurt... by Fierlo · · Score: 1
      I absolutely loved my Dreamcast. I tend to play sports games, and the fact that EA didn't make any games for the Dreamcast originally bothered me a great deal... but I soon got over it, as the 2k Sports games were excellent (and were surprisingly realistic in difficulty, even on the lower settings. What, you mean you can't just abuse the exact same scoring trick that has been in the EA NHL games for 5+ years at that point?).

      And of course, there was Powerstone! Most people agreed that it was a fun little game! Heck, even House of the Dead 2 was pretty good if you had the guns.

      Not only that, I loved the VGA adapter. The DC games looked phenomenal on a monitor.

      I guess I just never saw the appeal of the PS2/N64. Their exclusive titles didn't (and still don't) appeal to me.

    51. Re:My hands hurt... by MareLooke · · Score: 1

      You must be new here...

    52. Re:My hands hurt... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I never got around to trying Skies of Arcadia. By the time I was finishing up Grandia II I was in my second year and had a PS2 shortly afterwards at which point due to the backwards compatibility I started playing through a lot of the PSX back-catalog (I never owned an original PSX so buying a PS2 opened all those games to me).

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    53. Re:My hands hurt... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      May I remind you that the N64 and Gamecube didn't exactly set the world on fire (the former lagging way behind the Playstation 1, and the latter lagging behind both the PS2 and Xbox 1)? In fact, the Wii is the first time Nintendo has outsold the competition in the console market since the SNES.

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    54. Re:My hands hurt... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      May I remind you that Nintendo sold over 30 million of each of those consoles? The money they made in each of those generations was astounding.

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    55. Re:My hands hurt... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      No, it has buttons.

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    56. Re:My hands hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      360 layout? OK it was good.
      The actual dpad? Terrible, it has barely any differentiation between axis.
      The actual analog stick? Terrible, most controllers' sticks will drift out of true after only a few weeks of use. I've had controllers that required players to apply pressure to remain standing still.
      Yes I like the 360 (my favorite of this gen actually) but some things are just awful.

    57. Re:My hands hurt... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Yep, as soon as Prop 8 dies or we move to a better state. Thank you.

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    58. Re:My hands hurt... by VanGarrett · · Score: 1

      It just seems to me, as though the new controller should be an upgrade, rather than an alternative. But then, I'm no expert on this sort of thing.

    59. Re:My hands hurt... by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      They are trying to compete with kinect for most-pain caused by a controller system.

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    60. Re:My hands hurt... by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      I agree. That is the obvious thing. Which is why it's quite disappointing that Nintendo never shows multiplayer games with more than one New Controller.

      If you notice, they go out of their way to show multiplayer with one new controller and multiple Wii Remotes. But never more than one new controller.

      And they've been tight lipped about the use of multiple new controllers even saying that they won't be sold separately from the console.

      I'm excited for this, but I'm worried about the ability to connect multiple controllers to the thing.

    61. Re:My hands hurt... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      But what was their game sell through rates on those consoles, and what is their sell through rate now? As Sega found out and I'd argue Sony is finding out having first party titles is all well and good but it is third party titles that give a system legs.

      From what I've seen third party Wii titles are pretty much shovelware crap and most of my friends as well as my family bought the Wii as a "second system" and other than a handful of titles (all by Nintendo) the things are gathering dust. I don't think my kids has even turned their Wii on in months.

      So having all the hardware sales go into their pocket may be good short term but it really doesn't help long term. You can only milk the Mario and Zelda titles for so long before people just go "meh" and while the WiiMote was a new idea it has ended up for the majority of games a "waggle stick" that doesn't really bring anything to the table gameplay wise.

      Last I checked the X360 was enjoying something like 8 game sell through rates with nearly all of those titles third party, so the next great games will most likely go to MSFT if Nintendo can't bring its sell through rates up. As we saw with Guitar Hero you can only put out funky controllers for so long before people get tired of the BS and backlash and casual gamers can be a fickle bunch that can just walk away for the next Farmville or whatever.

      So I hope Nintendo has more up their sleeves than just another round of new weird controllers as I'd hate for the new system to end up like the Wii with 50 tons of shovelware along with Mario and Zelda. I know after seeing how little use my kids got out of the Wii they'd have to have some serious third party titles for me to consider chunking down more $$$ for what could easily end up a doorstop like the Wii is in our home, and I doubt I'm the only one thinking this way.

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    62. Re:My hands hurt... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Mario and Zelda are not shovelware. Franchise != sequel.

      On a side note: the email notification I got was "My hands hurt... by hairyfeet. Heh.

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  2. price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    those controllers look like they are going to cost more than the console...

    1. Re:price by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2

      I suspect most multiplayer games will be playable with wiimotes, only requiring you to own one screen controller... which will be bundled with the console. Would be cool for split screen though to use the displays and have the TV show game stats or a map or something.

    2. Re:price by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      those controllers look like they are going to cost more than the console...

      The video is rendered and streamed from the console apparently.

      So I'm sure that cut some corners, err I mean costs.

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    3. Re:price by greghodg · · Score: 1

      Two things - First, they never showed the system being used with more than one large display controller. They show it being used in conjunction with normal wiimotes. It's unclear whether more than one is supported. Second, the controller is dumb, and simply streams the display that is generated by the console, so it doesn't need expensive processing power or storage.

    4. Re:price by arose · · Score: 1

      I also cut weight and batteries...

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    5. Re:price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those that did not watch the announcement.

      All Wii Games and accessories(official) are supported and in fact used. So yes all your wii motes will still work with it. This is an addition for certain games and other things like video chatting and controlling applications it is like a super controller. For general gaming the wii motes and nun-chucks are still good.

    6. Re:price by dunezone · · Score: 1

      From what it appears most of the processing is done on the console side and sent through a wireless signal. So the unit itself will be pretty light weight and wont need to contain a lot of processing power to display the image and send and receive information. The cost will mainly be in the battery and the screen. As for the end cost, Nintendo can afford to release their next console at a loss, they were profitable with the Nintendo Wii from launch day and could take a loss to be competitive.

      From my perspective the console looks interesting but so did the Wii when it was first shown. The problem was execution, outside of the Nintendo games I didn't feel that the Wii lived to its hype with the motion controllers. They were pretty basic until they got the motion plus add-on which should have been on the controllers in the first place. Most 3rd party games felt and played like cheap flash game ports and the graphics were out dated from release date. But from the E3 lineup of developers as well as the graphics demonstration it looks like they corrected these issues.

      One additional plus is that the peripherals from the Wii are usable on this system and that is something that really has never been done before.

    7. Re:price by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      From decades of experience, I can tell you that ANYTHING that is related to that level of being optional will not catch on. Virtually anything that's not considered "standard equipment" (for ALL the players) will be avoided by the developers, as few want to target the smaller market segment.

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    8. Re:price by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Generally yes, however you do miss the one exception to that rule. Nintendo doesn't play by the same rules as sony and microsoft. Nintendo is well known for one huge ability. The ability to make the games that can sell a system all by themselves. Face it, nintendo would still have sold millions of wiis, if you limited the supply of games exclusively to titles developed in house by Nintendo. Even if the controller is only required to play nintendo in house games, they will sell.

    9. Re:price by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Virtual Boy
      PowerGlove
      PowerPad
      SuperScope
      Super Gameboy
      SNES Mouse
      Satellaview
      N64 Transferpack
      Nintendo 64DD
      N64 VRU
      Gameboy Printer

      There are a ton of Nintendo Accessories that flopped because they were off the wall and not supported by many games.

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    10. Re:price by scot4875 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the fuck do people keep bringing up the Power Glove as a Nintendo accessory when it was made by Mattel?

      Also, you forgot the E-reader. But also, you forgot that people buy the accessories because they think they're worth buying for the uses that are available. Anyone who bought a Gameboy Printer and thought it was going to hit some mainstream feature status that all games would use was an idiot. Only a fool would buy something solely based on what it might be able to do in the future.

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    11. Re:price by marnues · · Score: 1

      Most notably, none were properly supported by Nintendo themselves.

    12. Re:price by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, that's not always true, as owners of the Wii Board can testify.

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    13. Re:price by adolf · · Score: 1

      Why the fuck do people keep bringing up the Power Glove as a Nintendo accessory when it was made by Mattel?

      The Power Glove may have been made by Mattel, but it was a device which was only used on the Nintendo. And it was optional, which allows it admission into GP's list of optional gear that failed to gain traction, no matter who made the silly thing.

      It was also promoted by Nintendo, perhaps most prominently in the film "The Wizard," which was (in part) a Nintendo product. (Not that this matters to counter the point that you're attempting to raise.)

    14. Re:price by captjc · · Score: 1

      One additional plus is that the peripherals from the Wii are usable on this system and that is something that really has never been done before.

      The Wii supports Gamecube controllers and memory cards. The PS2 supports PS1 controllers and memory cards. It is also well known that the Sega Genesis controller is usable on an Atari 2600 (probably other things as well since the Atari controller port was on quite a few consoles)

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    15. Re:price by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't have the Super Gameboy on that list, that was a damn nice accessory.

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    16. Re:price by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      Using that logic every game is also optional.

    17. Re:price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't true at all. Wii Motion Plus, Wii Balance Boards, Xbox Kinect, etc are all not standard equipment, but they are used in games all the time. Your observation may have used to be true, but it isn't any more.

    18. Re:price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh really? So what you are saying is that multiplayer is the first choice of developers, not single player? (I beg to differ).

    19. Re:price by tebixan · · Score: 1

      The OPs point is that since those devices are optional, developers didn't make games for them since that would reduce the potential market of their game to only owners of that optional accessory. The potential market for 'every game' is everyone who owns the console.

  3. Re:Oh yeah? by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 2

    No, that's the next version of the Wii - the Wii U2. It comes with a Bono and The Edge faceplate.

  4. Err...What?? by Houndofhell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They call that a controller? Yeah maybe for a giant. The way the Wii was designed in the past you want real movement and reflexes with the controller.

    Just thinking back to those people who accidentally threw their Wiimotes into their TVs, can you imagine the mess that one would cause :)

    1. Re:Err...What?? by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      This one seems more tilt-motion controlled rather than the fuller range the wiimote handled. I doubt anyone will swing this at their TV.

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    2. Re:Err...What?? by abbynormal+brain · · Score: 2

      I was excitedly waiting to see the size of the new Wii controller - because my favorite line to use in chat rooms is "my nuts are bigger than the original Xbox controller" and I was hoping to update my quote (as fewer people remember the original Xbox controller) - but now, it's just not going to make sense unless I shave my balls and slap a sticker in the middle. :\

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    3. Re:Err...What?? by jgagnon · · Score: 2

      Place the sticker first and remove it quickly so you won't have to shave.

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    4. Re:Err...What?? by Houndofhell · · Score: 1

      Yes, i can't quite see "Is that a Wiimote in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" working with the new one

    5. Re:Err...What?? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That looks even worse than the Atari Jaguar controller.

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    6. Re:Err...What?? by sdguero · · Score: 2

      My understanding is that the old remotes will work with the new wii.

    7. Re:Err...What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ouch.

    8. Re:Err...What?? by Houndofhell · · Score: 1

      Oh dear, that doesn't look at all comfortable to use.

      I can't imagine trying to conver those buttons in those positions if i needed them

    9. Re:Err...What?? by c0p0n · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact, that controller was really comfy. The keypad was a pain in the arse though.

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    10. Re:Err...What?? by xtracto · · Score: 1

      I find it quite similar to the Dreamcast controller.

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    11. Re:Err...What?? by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 0

      omg thank you thank you thank you i can stop carving jack o lantern faces into my jewels now

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  5. will the extended warranty product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. be called "Wii Soitonly"?

  6. oblig... by itchythebear · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:oblig... by HiredMan · · Score: 1

      Funny I was expecting this one instead: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/3/25/

    2. Re:oblig... by PwnzerDragoon · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about this one: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/11/28/

      PA sure loves them some controller jokes.

    3. Re:oblig... by Pluvius · · Score: 1

      I dunno how this one hasn't been posted yet.

      Rob

  7. I Wii on U by operagost · · Score: 0

    wii U is huge LOL

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  8. Controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the ugliest controller i've ever seen.

    1. Re:Controller by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      You haven't seen the Jaguar controller, have you?

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    2. Re:Controller by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I saw one in a museum once.

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  9. Name game. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

    Pii U.

    1. Re:Name game. by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Actually, they're next model will be known as the Eff U

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    2. Re:Name game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wii U? or Won't U?

  10. USD vs. EUR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    a Wi-Fi only version priced at $249 in the U.S., JPY24,980 in Japan, and EUR249 in Europe, and a 3G/Wi-Fi version going for US$299, JPY29,980 and EUR299."

    Right now, 1 EUR = 1.4682 USD. Thanks for trying to fuck us over again, Sony.

    No love,
    Europe

    1. Re:USD vs. EUR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a Wi-Fi only version priced at $249 in the U.S., JPY24,980 in Japan, and EUR249 in Europe, and a 3G/Wi-Fi version going for US$299, JPY29,980 and EUR299."

      Right now, 1 EUR = 1.4682 USD. Thanks for trying to fuck us over again, Sony.

      No love, Europe

      Quit yer yappin'. You guys get universal health care and mandatory several weeks paid time off per year and functioning mass transit and great cities. You can handle paying a bit more for the occasional american electronics purchase

    2. Re:USD vs. EUR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoying the results of forced warranties, difficult and expensive environmental regulations (RoHS, I'm looking at you) and takebacks on electronics, are we?

      In the US, when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. Although they do give you 12 months, it's encumbered by all sorts of conditions, and you get to pay for shipping (well, that's the usual MO here, don't know if Nintendo is breaking that mold or not).

    3. Re:USD vs. EUR by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 1

      Sony is Japanese, not American...

    4. Re:USD vs. EUR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right on, fuck Sony... wait what ?

    5. Re:USD vs. EUR by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Enjoying the results of forced warranties, difficult and expensive environmental regulations (RoHS, I'm looking at you) and takebacks on electronics, are we?

      In the US, when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. Although they do give you 12 months, it's encumbered by all sorts of conditions, and you get to pay for shipping (well, that's the usual MO here, don't know if Nintendo is breaking that mold or not).

      When I bought a GBA SP, one of the first ones, it had an annoying bit of lint floating in the center of the screen. I put in a claim online and got a label. Slapped it on a spare box, shipped it in, had it back in about a week and a half. Nothing out of pocket.

      Not too shabby, definitely beyond the letter of the law according to the warranty. Of course, this was back when their console division was a joke and they couldn't afford to be arrogant as an overall company.

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    6. Re:USD vs. EUR by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

      If it's 249 EUR in Europe that means it will cost around 3200 SEK in Sweden, which is about 350 EUR or 520 USD. :( Guess why I order almost everything I buy (that can practically be shipped) from Germany, UK or China... I even ordered skis from Germany last winter. Half the price for the very exact model, even including the shipping costs. I ordered an extractor/range hood from Poland (half the price including shipping), a plasma TV from Germany (2/3 the price), DVDRs from Luxemburg, various kitchen applicances, utensils and cutlery from the UK... The list goes on.

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    7. Re:USD vs. EUR by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Right now, 1 EUR = 1.4682 USD. Thanks for trying to fuck us over again, Sony.

      US prices are generally excluding VST, while European prices include VST. Also Europe has two years mandatory warranty on electric stuff, US doesn't. So while Europe still ends up paying a little more, it not half as bad as it seems. Also its not exactly a new thing, the whole EUR == USD thing for stuff like consoles has been going on for a long long while.

    8. Re:USD vs. EUR by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Yet despite all that, I note that by the time import duty and VAT is accounted for (which would be the case no matter what the consumer legislation said), the days of manufacturers assuming an exchange rate of US$1 = £1 are long gone.

    9. Re:USD vs. EUR by Builder · · Score: 1

      Tax.

      The US prices will exclude tax. Anyone buying in their own state will most likely have to pay an additional amount over and above the listed price.

      The prices for Europe will include VAT which is between 15% and 20% depending on where you are. So it's not quite a fair comparison.

  11. Mmmmmm by SaidinUnleashed · · Score: 2

    PlayStation Vista. I bet THAT ONE will be AWESOME.

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  12. WHAT THE FLYIN'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    holy PISS! .. that thing is GINORMOUS!..

    I've always said .. if only I could play a game on my TV while holding my PSP .... noW that would be gaming.

    1. Re:WHAT THE FLYIN'? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Shit, that monster is way bigger than a PSP. It's like the Hummer of videogame controllers. Finally, another way for me to compensate for my tiny penis!

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    2. Re:WHAT THE FLYIN'? by ShogunTux · · Score: 1

      It is the Wii 2, in any case.

      And, if translated to Japanese, that makes it the Wii Ni. ;)

      Compensation indeed.

  13. Hmm is that name right? by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

    I though it was the Wii on U

  14. Alt text humor by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

    The alt text for the image is "new nintendo wii e3 small". Yeah, there's nothing small about that control, people. This is probably the most anti-Nintendo thing I think I've ever seen Nintendo do.

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  15. It's just a rehash of stuff they've already tried by Jabrwock · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it's just an evolution of some ideas they've been poking around with tethering DSs to the Wii. There were a few games where you could use the DS as a Wiimote, and you had your own individual screen info.

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  16. That WII U controller reminds me of Dreamcast.... by madhatter256 · · Score: 1

    The WII-U controller reminds me of the dreamcast controller.... looks very uncomfortable.

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  17. burning my anon post for the week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wryyyyyy u ?!!!

  18. Vita by psergiu · · Score: 2

    > The PS Vita — which is Latin for 'life'

    Vita - which is a Romanian derogatory term for "cow / bovine" :-)

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    1. Re:Vita by sqldr · · Score: 0

      Judging by recent incidents, I had "nunc vitae piratebay" down

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    2. Re:Vita by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm sure Romania was on the top of their estimated sales target.

      I expect an official announcement during the E3 that its name has been changed to something less known to be an insult.

    3. Re:Vita by whoop · · Score: 1

      You folks have a term you yell at cows? Now that's pretty hard core.

  19. Re:That WII U controller reminds me of Dreamcast.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't look as bad. At least the sides are straight, rather than curving inward toward the rear like the DC.

    Still not as huge as the DC controller itself, though, which for those unfamiliar with it, was approximately 1.3 Xboxes in volume. :P

  20. It's a monster! by Lunaritian · · Score: 1

    The Wii U controller looks like a wicked mix of a normal controller, a handheld and a tablet. Why not just release the controller as the console itself...

    1. Re:It's a monster! by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Because a TV isn't smart enough to receive a minimal amount of data wirelessly and render an HD quality image from it.

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    2. Re:It's a monster! by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      I was wondering that myself. From a high-level point of view, the thing practically looks like a PS Vita on its own - dual thumbsticks, same number of buttons otherwise, display, stereo sound, microphone, camera...

      I'm now regretting submitting the link to the Reuters blog, but at the time I submitted the story, it was probably one of the "most trustworthy" (well, "least fanboyish") sources.

      But now Joystiq has scant details on the console itself along with more on the controller itself.

      Still... looks neat. I guess. I'm interested in just how mobile that controller is - you can apparently browse the web and video chat with it. It might be an interesting tablet on its own.

      Or not. It's something I'll be interested in looking at when it comes out, but I don't think I'll be getting one at launch.

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    3. Re:It's a monster! by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      Because they couldn't put hardware that has a decent battery life and enough 'juice' to run the games properly, and all for a decent price. The controller is just a very sophisticated dumb terminal.

      Imagine if the processing was being done in the handheld itself: Who'd buy 4 controller for multiplayer gaming, if each controller costs as much as an iPad?

  21. Wii Gimmick by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 0

    The only way Nintendo knows how to distinguish itself from the crowd these days is with unconventional controllers. The Wii had nunchucks with tracking, and now the Wii U has a huge touchscreen controller.

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    1. Re:Wii Gimmick by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I've loved the dual and touch screen on my DS, extra buttons (NSMB stored item for example), and a separation of information from main screen.

      Though TV's handle some of this (bigger screen), and I don't think tracking from TC to hand is going to be as convenient.

      Also, the wii-mote+ nun-chuck was the best controller ever IMO (that's without motion control or pointing). I really liked my hands 18 inches apart, and angles how I wanted them, rather than some average for everyone (this will kill that though).

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    2. Re:Wii Gimmick by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. The first thing I thought on seeing this was "hmm... it looks a litte like the Dreamcast controller". Which is fitting, really, given I fully expect this thing to be the next Dreamcast.

      Nintendo could find themselves in big trouble in 18 months time. I can't see this thing having the mass appeal of the Wii - or drawing the hardcore away from their PS3s, 360s and PCs. And while saying anything nice about Sony is unfashionable around here, the Vita looks like a far superior piece of kit to the 3DS, which is going to launch with a decent games lineup at the same price as the 3DS. I fully expect the knowledge that the Vita is coming to further dent the 3DS's already-poor sales over the coming months.

      If Nintendo find themselves with a Dreamcast and a Virtual Boy as their current generation hardware, then it's squeaky-bottom time for the,

    3. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way Nintendo knows how to distinguish itself from the crowd these days is by selling more copies of its console than Microsoft and Sony combined

      FTFY

    4. Re:Wii Gimmick by scot4875 · · Score: 2

      As opposed to the rest that think that a bump in resolution, polygon crunching ability, and CPU power is "innovation"?

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    5. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, he never said it wasn't working.

    6. Re:Wii Gimmick by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Also, the wii-mote+ nun-chuck was the best controller ever IMO (that's without motion control or pointing). I really liked my hands 18 inches apart, and angles how I wanted them, rather than some average for everyone (this will kill that though).

      True. Even if the wiimote didn't have motion-sensitive or pointing functionality, separating the left and right hands like that would have been a large step forward. I would love a 360 controller split similarly (like two nunchucks wired together).

    7. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen a Dreamcast controller? They look absolutely nothing like a Wii U. Wii U looks like an iPad with a few game controllers along the side.

    8. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Derp.

    9. Re:Wii Gimmick by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can see the differences - it was just the whole "viewscreen on the controller" thing - I'll always associate that with the Dreamcast.

    10. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is they handicap themselves with hardware limitations so after a couple years when the PS4 has a super motion LCD controller then everyone will move on past Wii U.

    11. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is going to depend totally on the games.
      If you are going to do the same old games, then yes, it will flop.
      But if you think of new ways of interacting with games, then I think they may be on to something big.
      Imagine, for example playing poker, or Clue, or Scrabble or any of these board games with your friends on the Wii, some of your friends right there with you, the others around the world.
      I may be quite interesting...

      JP

    12. Re:Wii Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do NOT compare Dreamcast and Virtual Boy. Dreamcast was a fantastic console with lots of great games, an excellent controller (the controller also had an LCD display, which let players have secret information in a game), and a modem. The Dreamcast launch was one of the most successful console launches of all time, and Sega had console shortages. The problems started when the Dreamcast started competing with the PS2. I

  22. why the move? by patitomr · · Score: 1

    I find it peculiar that Nintendo would move to this type of controller after successfully pushing motion detection with the Wii (forcing Microsoft to step up with Kinect). This is a strange step back, I guess that with the iPad and all they wanted to "tabletize" the control

    1. Re:why the move? by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 1

      This is a strange step back, I guess that with the iPad and all they wanted to "tabletize" the control

      Not really a step back. In a nutshell, Nintendo basically innovates while relying on cheaper hardware to get ahead of the competition. As soon as the competition catches up with its fancier, more expensive hardware, they move on to the next thing. For example, the Wii had very little horsepower when compared to the 360 or PS3; it relied on its new motion sensing tech to sell it.

      Now the 360 and PS3 both have their own Wii-like motion tracking hardware.

      Nintendo would be hard-pressed to directly compete against MS or Sony in this generation without something new to make it stand out. Even if the press release is correct and it's "significantly more powerful than a 360 or PS3" most people would still probably rather take the other two if the WiiU was simply a horsepower upgrade.

      Instead Nintendo has turned the tables again on their competitors by changing the playing field. It's not so much a step back as it is a step sideways and (hopefully) forward. And you may be on to something with the iPad thought... there has been a lot of talk lately about GoogleTV, smartphones and tablets stealing the traditional gaming console's cheese. If this catches on fast enough and big enough, they could defuse that problem for awhile longer. I'd be willing to bet money that Angry Birds (or something very similar) is one of the first things ported for it.

  23. No Vita Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vita. Too bad I am Sony (and by extension, Vita) free.

    But I guess we all knew I didn't have a life.

  24. May skip this one now by archen · · Score: 2

    This controller seems like it's well suited for turn based RPGs and that's about it. You have to LOOK at the controller to do anything on that touch screen, and that goes against much of the philosophy of modern games. I get the general idea, you put your status indicators and such on the controller screen, but to really register anything you're going to have to be looking at it all the time.

    I'm hoping that this is a mistake that this is the default controller and they expect you to normally used an evolved version of the current controller.

    1. Re:May skip this one now by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Actually, they've stated that Wii Motion Remotes will work w/ it --- so there seems to be no evolution of that beyond integrating the Motion Plus functionality.

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    2. Re:May skip this one now by FhnuZoag · · Score: 1

      Think about it this way: 1. It's a more powerful, but less portable iPad. 2. It's a Silent Scope style sniperscope. See 3m16 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNst2RZQ2hs 3. It's a cheaper cintiq drawing tablet. I'm very much sold on it, assuming it's priced right.

    3. Re:May skip this one now by captjc · · Score: 1

      It also lets you stream the game directly to the tablet so the TV need not be in use. It can do video chat using the camera. It can be used as a second hidden screen in multiplayer games (personal split screen, private playbook in sports games, your hand in card / board games, private HUD) or a persistent inventory, map, goals, or options screen. Anything that requires an immersion breaking menu or HUD can be pushed to this instead. Why press the 'Next Weapon" key five times to load the sniper rifle when you can just select it on a screen? Why have to to hold down 'X' wait for a radial menu to pop up and then move the analog stick to select a spell or issue orders in the middle of a battle when I can just select it on the screen?

      The problem with the philosophy of modern games is that they are built around a controller and not a keyboard and mouse. With a keyboard all functions can be quickly mapped and remapped to keys and buttons. With a controller you only have a few buttons to work with and most games still do not let you completely customize your layout. Most modern games have grown beyond the commands of "Jump / Weapon A / Weapon B / Use" That leaves either having on screen menus that break immersion and can get you killed in the middle of a fight or memorizing long key combinations (i.e. Button Mashers). Here you can push menus off screen and make selections quickly on the touch screen.

      Having played many DS games, I can say that having two screens is not really the problem you seem to think it is. When done in an intuitive way such as Street Fighter 4 3DS, Mario Kart DS, New Super Mario Bros, and Advance Wars you kind of miss the second screen in console games.

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  25. I should have known by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

    I just gave in and bought a Wii last week.
    Oh well, at least it will be easy to find used games soon.

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    1. Re:I should have known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't you know? We have known about the new Wii for months now. The only surprise about the official announcement is the name.

    2. Re:I should have known by bunuel · · Score: 1

      Don't know if you want recommendations for games, but here are some anyway:
      Zack and Wiki
      Metroid Prime 3
      No More Heroes 1 and 2

      Zelda's coming in the fall and that looks pretty awesome.

  26. Does seem to be the case by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I also don't know that it'll work well this time around. The Wii did well because it sold kinda like a board game: Many people bought it that weren't in to video games. They often didn't play it a lot, putting it away only to take it out for parties, but they bought it. Ok fine. However this? Not sure you'll sell people on it. Particularly since a controller like this is going to be all kinds of expensive. A nice large LCD costs money, no way around it.

    We'll have to see what goes on but Nintendo may have a dud this time around. Gimmicks can be great when they work, but they often flop hard.

    1. Re:Does seem to be the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only ever showed one at a time. It is quite possible they do not intend (or perhaps even support) using more than one. Of course, the cost for that one would be included in the price for the console.

    2. Re:Does seem to be the case by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

      Gimmicks can be great when they work, but they often flop hard.

      Nintendo already knows this, just look at the virtual boy, powerglove, and R.O.B.

    3. Re:Does seem to be the case by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 0

      The Wii did well because it sold kinda like a board game

      I think the private screen could go a long way to replicating some of that. From poker, Scrabble, etc etc I think there's a lot of possibilities in multiplayer gaming where some aspects of the game are enhanced by individual players having their own subsets of information. I am not sure my living room has room for many of the controllers though.

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    4. Re:Does seem to be the case by brkello · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of it was due to how cheap they were able to keep the Wii. This time it seems like it will be more expensive. This might be another Gamecube for Nintendo. This controller seems like it would appeal more go a hardcore gamer than a casual.

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    5. Re:Does seem to be the case by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      Nintendo already knows this, just look at the virtual boy, powerglove, and R.O.B.

      The Power Glove was from Mattel.

      R.O.B. was never a serious peripheral from Nintendo. They were having a hard time getting the NES in stores after the video game sales crash of 1982 so they introduced aspects that made it less like a video game system and more like a toy, so that retailers would be more comfortable with stocking it. This is also why it had the name "entertainment system" (as opposed to "video game system") and why it had the toaster oven design for cartridges (since the top loading slot used by every system before or since would have been a dead givewaway).

      Spot on about the Virtual Boy though.

  27. Tablet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, it looks like Nintendo is getting on the tablet bandwagon now? That thing looks like a Nintendo DS ate a tablet.

    OTOH, it's not necessarily a bad idea. Multiple people could browse the web on their controllers using the Wii's processor/rendering. Multiple people could play multiplayer bejewelled or whatever. It just seems slightly silly to attach the controllers to the side. But then again, kids that grew up with the DS are now adults. Maybe this is targeted at them.

    Also, this controller is probably in addition to the Wiimote. Many games will stick to the wiimote instead, or use the wiimote on one hand while giving you instructions on the screen held with the other. They're probably hyping this out at E3 and later announcing a Move-like upgrade for the wiimote U.

  28. Doesn't seem like a very good concept by the_jone · · Score: 2

    I find it strange the whole concept of a second movable screen for gaming strange. How exactly do games benefit from this? If you're aiming for casual gamers, then the second screen will likely add "workload" (for the lack of a better term), as a player will have to share his attention between two screens. Will casual gamers want this? If you're aiming for the more hardcore gamers, than two screens can decrease immersion, as the player has to stop focusing on the game to twiddle with a touch screen. If the touchscreen also contains some important game functions like inventory as shown in one of the screenshots, then hilarity can ensue when you accidentally swipe the screen while trying to wrangle with that gigantic controller. I can imagine some multiplayer games benefiting from this, but it simply seems like a gimmick, not an innovation. Sorry Nintendo.

    1. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by the_jone · · Score: 1

      Another interesting point: based on the screenshot, you can't touch the center of the touchscreen without changing the way you hold the controller. Wouldn't that be fairly bad design?

    2. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by TheSambassador · · Score: 1

      Let's think about Multiplayer games instead, which to most "casual" gamers is what's important.

      In some games, you actually want to keep things hidden from the other players. This is true of practically all closed-hand card games and LOTS of board games. Consider games like scrabble, where you have the "main" board and your own set of letters. This controller could easily have things like your "hand" which can be kept secret/hidden from the other players. The whole Ipad/Ipod scrabble thing (where you can slide tiles from your Iphone onto the Ipad, where the board was) was actually pretty popular. I can think of a lot of things that you could do with this sort of configuration.

      In the "conventional" set of game mechanics, this might "break" immersion, but at the same time it has the potential for a lot of interesting mechanics. In games like Zelda, you usually pause to switch the set of items that you want to use (UHG think Water Temple from Ocarina of Time, removing and equipping boots all of the time). Here, you could display your items on the touch screen, glance down, hit what you want to use, and go back to the main screen. No more "immersion breaking" pauses.

      The controller itself looks pretty bulky though... so we'll see how it is. Cost is, of course, also a pretty big concern... are these things going to be like $100/controller? Bleh.

    3. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by jbonomi · · Score: 1

      Based on how I've been playing the DS for the last few years, I really don't think that's a problem. The controller is said to be lighter than it looks, so I think lifting one hand to touch a button on the touch screen would feel as natural as using a tablet.

    4. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      Not so interesting really: In a DS, touching the screen and using the buttons at the same time is extremely uncomfortable, and yet it's not been a problem at all, because it's really an either/or situation: They'll make games that are controlled my the touch screen, where you are expected to hold the console on your lap/table, and games where you'll use the buttons and the analog stick, where you'll barely ever use the touch screen. The most they'll ask for is one hand dedicated to buttons, and another to the touch screen, and I doubt that'd be all that popular.

      The N64 also had more buttons that one could use with two hands, and it was never a problem: It's not as if control schemes that require 8+ buttons, two analog sticks and a touch screen will ever be all that popular no matter how you make the system: If anything, modern console games use too many inputs already.

    5. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Seems like it would be good for any multi-player games where a player would want to keep something secret from other players. If you're playing a sports game, make your play selection on the handheld screen, then do the actual playing on the TV. Make your car selection (Mario Kart) on the handheld, etc. In addition, it opens up all kinds of possibilities with card games, word games, board game simulations, etc.

    6. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Or, instead of an expensive game system, an HD television set, and four pricey touch-screen controllers, you could just buy Scrabble for $14.99. Bonus: it's portable and doesn't require batteries.

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    7. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by chispito · · Score: 1

      Assuming it's not too terribly uncomfortable to use, there are all sorts of games that would benefit from this type of controller. Chiefly: any game that requires touch input, or a hidden screen from opposing players (FPS screen, play calling in sports, your hand in a card game, etc.). It sort of blurs the line between console and handheld, which I think is pretty cool.

      Sucks that it will probably be so expensive that few people will have access to more than one of the special controllers, though.

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    8. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      What's bad design is to make a game that requires using the buttons and the touchscreen at the same time. DS games generally require one or the other, but not both.

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    9. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by grumbel · · Score: 1

      In some games, you actually want to keep things hidden from the other players.

      Rumor right now is that the WiiU will only support a single screen controller and they didn't demo anything that used two screen controller. All multiplayer they showed used one screen controller and the rest of player would get regular Wiimotes. So it was essentially asymmetric multiplayer, as different player would play with different controls.

    10. Re:Doesn't seem like a very good concept by captjc · · Score: 1

      Possibly, but I doubt it. How else are they going to sell Mario Kart WiiU and Smash Bros WiiU. Everyone gets their own multiplayer screen and the whole stage or whatnot is on the TV.

      Besides, wasn't that all in the leaked Dev-kits or whatever that confirmed all of this?

      I just hope they don't wait until the end of life of the WiiU to come out with black. I hate glossy white, a little dust and it looks like shit

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  29. Webcam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a webcam in the black bar at the top of the controller?

  30. The first 3G non-phone by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    What will happen when we all are carrying multiple cellular-enabled devices? Would you simply pop a SIM card into each cellular device? Will you have to pay for each device? Would your plan allow for up to X number of devices? Or would they simply bill you by total sum of bandwidth?

    My guess is that, the cell companies will take the most complicated solution possible. You will need to bring each cellular device into the store so they can activate it for you. Each device will have a different bandwidth limit and your bill will be 10 pages long. Only approved devices will be allowed: so AT&T will support the Sony Vita and Verizon will support the Nintendo 3DG. Some other small company will support bot, for half the price but they will only have service in rural Kansas.

    A few years ago I argued that Nintendo should add 3G to the DS. I had everyone on Slashdot telling me how that is impossible and kids cannot afford multiple cell plans how complex it would be. Well, now it is happening so the business model will have to find a way to work. Eventually, cellular networking could become as ubiquitous as wi-fi is today.

    1. Re:The first 3G non-phone by QJimbo · · Score: 1

      Up here in Canada, Rogers and other providers offer Data Sharing plans and allow you to add a device to your plan for $10 a month and get a data-only SIM card for them. I'm sure the same thing is available down in the US.

      And even if that doesn't work for you many modern smartphones can act as WiFi Hotspots, though this does considerably reduce the battery life of the phone.

    2. Re:The first 3G non-phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What rock have you been living under? Dongles, netbooks/laptops with it built-in, the Samsung Galaxy Tab, the Dell Streak 5, the Amazon Kindle, the iPad etc. are all 3G enabled devices that came before this. And as for the SIM swapping, ask a European. They don't have quite the same level of corrupt telecom bullshit we have in this f'ed up country.

    3. Re:The first 3G non-phone by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      Each device will have a different bandwidth limit and your bill will be 10 pages long.

      Your bill is only 10pp long? I have 3 lines on AT&T and mine is 58pp long. Glad it's a PDF instead of mail, though.

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    4. Re:The first 3G non-phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually see this happening:
      GSM providers (eg "sim card") sell two specific plans
      - IMEI's that are set to prepaid/pay-as-you-go that can be topped up from the device (no more stupid cards to buy)
      - IMEI's that are set to "requires parent account with data bucket", these get set to Unlimited.

      Both tell the device try to hand off to preset WiFi points for less latency (like at home/school) if enabled, or WiFi Peer-to-Peer (which the 3DS already does have some ability to do) if the player is within range. Many cell carriers also operate WiFi access points.
      (Unfortunately the nature of the cellular network prevents low-latency connections except to those in the same cell sector.)

      If you have a regular cell phone, or smartphone or whatever, you're prevented from tethering the game device using it's IMEI because it would only permit proxied web access (eg how Opera on the DS Lite works) and only open ports that the games require.

      If you're on Rogers, seriously... use the "Go Rogers" APN and try to use twitter. It will not let you post to it. Then switch to "Internet.com" and look now it works. This is what I'd envision happening with game devices. BTW I used my smartphone for 4 hours on WiFi in the Toronto Airport, so I don't think you're giving WiFi as much credit as you should.

      In the same line of thinking, we need auto-encrypting "any access" wireless points. Just take what we have now and initiate a throw-away crypto session to set up the permanent connection, the guest access point contacts the home access point and goes "OK I know who you are" and off you go.

    5. Re:The first 3G non-phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just share a 3G connection via Wifi, some phones support this or you could use a MiFi.

  31. The good news by Wiarumas · · Score: 1

    ...is that Xbox and Sony are bound to have equal failures.

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  32. PSV = 5th Playstation by ninjacheeseburger · · Score: 1

    Surprising how much it looks like the wiiu controller. I wonder if Sony plan to have similar connectivity with the PS3.

    1. Re:PSV = 5th Playstation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well devs have been able to do that with PS3 and PSP for such a long time.
      But nobody has really used it for much, sadly.
      No doubt they will allow the same sort of stuff for PSV as well.

      One thing I am still saddened at is the death of PocketStation.
      PocketStation could have been so much more.
      It could have evolved to allow large sandbox games to run events in the background, for example, so the world is always alive. (closest thing I could think of was Chocobo World for FF8, you can leave the game on auto-mode)
      Interaction with others games around you.
      PocketStation would have been so cheap to make now.
      I guess it could be done with PSP / PSV now, but it would seem like a huge waste, especially since the processors have a minimum frequency, higher than would be needed for something like that.
      I think a developer tried this on Nintendo (could have even been Nintendo) did they not? Think it was for a Pokemon game.

  33. Wow! Is it reallly HD?? And X-Mas 2012? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nintendo has quickly become synonymous with (too little, too late) gimmicks. They need a new strategy. Given their recent record with consoles (under supported, weak hardware in comparison to other consoles and PCs, short life span, aimed at house wives and children under 12, less bang for the buck than the competitors), I won't be touching it. I think they're also going to start losing their handheld market dominance due to the prevalence of smart phones. Anyone //really// into games on a handheld device will go for the PS Vita, except young kids who beg their parents for one because it's 3-D!!! The 20-40 somethings that were buying the DS (in Japan at least) were doing so because the phone games were awful 5-10 years ago and they needed something to kill time with while on the train besides reading and sleeping.

    1. Re:Wow! Is it reallly HD?? And X-Mas 2012? by jbonomi · · Score: 1

      What is the difference between a gimmick and a new feature? It seems everything Nintendo does is called a "gimmick" ever since the Wii was announced. I don't get it. A gimmick is something designed to lure others in... in other words, anything worthwhile about their products is a gimmick.

    2. Re:Wow! Is it reallly HD?? And X-Mas 2012? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A gimmick is a new "feature" that is more hype than of value to the user. How valuable is the 3D feature in the new 3DS? Judging from the name, it is THE main feature, yet most people can't stand playing games with it turned on for more than a few minutes and game designers are encouraged not to rely on it, but to use it as an extra bonus.

    3. Re:Wow! Is it reallly HD?? And X-Mas 2012? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually a good point. A large portion of the Japanese population commute by Train. The only places in North America this is even anything remotely like is NYC area, Toronto (Ontario) and Vancouver (BC.) Everywhere else people commute by car, or have transit that goes from nowhere to nowhere, where an iPod/iPhone is used for the long waits at the bus stop and the maybe 10 minutes spent on the bus.

      The other side of this argument is that American cities along the pacific and eastern coasts have fairly dense populations, so it would be stupid to commute by rail and bus if you can just walk to work/shopping in 10 minutes.

      Perhaps with the rising cost of air travel, more rail travel will become cost/time competative, and since rail lines have power outlets and Wifi, this might be a very useful.

    4. Re:Wow! Is it reallly HD?? And X-Mas 2012? by bunuel · · Score: 1

      I think there could be demand from people who really want to buy a new console since it's been a while (6 years in 2012) since there was one.

  34. Multiple controllers? by KenAndCorey · · Score: 2

    I haven't seen mention of how many of these new uber controllers can be active at a time. Just one? Hopefully two. I'm guessing the streaming video will limit on the number they can support.

    1. Re:Multiple controllers? by KenAndCorey · · Score: 1
  35. Jaguar Controller finally improved upon... by SamuraiHoedown · · Score: 2

    I always liked my Atari Jaguar, but the thing that always bothered me the controller wasn't big enough. Thank god someone finally got around to making an even bigger controller to finally accommodate me.

    1. Re:Jaguar Controller finally improved upon... by spire3661 · · Score: 1
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  36. I'll wait and see by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 1

    When the Wii was announced people were _very_ sceptical about the whole motion control thing...

    I'll wait and see if this is a winner or not. Also, I'm wondering if it will play my old Wii games. Not really that interested in keeping a stack of consoles in the living room.

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    1. Re:I'll wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it will play all Wii games and support all Wii accessories and controllers too.

    2. Re:I'll wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wii U will be backwards compatible will all Wii games. Nintendo has not said that it will be B/C with Gamecube games though.

    3. Re:I'll wait and see by marsu_k · · Score: 1

      ...and this is why I'm hating Nintendo at the moment. The new controller looks gimmicky (moreso than the original Wii, IMHO) and way too big. But the thought of playing all of the Primes in 1080p just seems too hard to resist, so I'll probably end up getting it anyway.

    4. Re:I'll wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wii U will be backwards compatible...not sure if that includes GameCube games as the Wii did or not, but your Wii games should still be playable.

    5. Re:I'll wait and see by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Seeing as the Wii was really just an overclocked gamecube, I would be willing to bet it would play them.

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    6. Re:I'll wait and see by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Nintendo said it won't render Wii games at higher resolutions.

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    7. Re:I'll wait and see by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 1

      Nintendo said it won't render Wii games at higher resolutions.

      URL? If that's true, it's extremely lame. If you can play Wii games at 1080p in an emulator, why can't the new console do the same?

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    8. Re:I'll wait and see by Psykechan · · Score: 1

      According to Marc Franklin, Nintendo of America's Director of Public Relations, it will not play GameCube games.

      Link is down at the moment but this is where I got the news.

      Yes, the Wii was based on GameCube architecture so it could theoretically still be possible. The Wii U does not have any GameCube controller ports or memory card slots so they would have to be provided via USB or Bluetooth and associated IO processing would have to performed. It's unknown as to whether or not the slot loading drive on the Wii U will accept the smaller GameCube discs or not.

      Not to mention that Nintendo's backwards compatibility usually lasts only one generation. Look at Gameboy/Color games on the Gameboy Advance (gone on the DS) or Gameboy Advance games on the DS (gone on the DSi/3DS)

      tl;dr - I wouldn't get your hopes up.

    9. Re:I'll wait and see by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      I saw it at an interview with Reggie linked here:

      http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433004

      If you can play Wii games at 1080p in an emulator [dolphin-emulator.com], why can't the new console do the same?

      Either they didn't bother or it might have some compatibility problems with certain games.

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  37. The puns are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Already firing up my video editing software and putting the console in a certain scene from Kung Pow: Enter the Fist.
    WEEEOOOOWEEEOOOOWEEEOOOO!

  38. Buying it for the hardcore games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardcore games. It was fucking time.
    I might end up buying Wii U just for hardocre games. But FFS don't make me use that crappy, huge, horrible controllers.

  39. Hard to say by Godai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I look at that controller and I think both "Wow, cool!" and "Holy crap its big!" But it wouldn't be the first time we've all thought the Big N has lost their collective marbles only to be right. When they announced the N64 with its 3-prong controller, everyone said that looked like the most uncomfortable thing they'd ever seen -- and it was maybe the most comfortable one I've ever used, even to this day. When they announced the DS, everyone thought they were certifiable, and it turned into the best selling handheld of all time (no, we're not counting the goddamn iPhone just because it can play games). And I seem to recall that the Wii's announcement was also met with a fair bit of ridicule and it outsold its competitors (at least console-wise).

    Of course, they also released the Virtual Boy (or whatever that thing was called) and that was a trainwreck. Still, I'm going to withhold judgement until I can try it for myself. At the very least, it sounds like there's some real possibility there. I just hope I'm not paying $150 a controller!

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    1. Re:Hard to say by xhrit · · Score: 1

      And where is the 3-prong N64 controller now?

    2. Re:Hard to say by Jabrwock · · Score: 1

      Of course, they also released the Virtual Boy (or whatever that thing was called) and that was a trainwreck.

      Headache-inducing, no good game lineup, and you had to sit in an awkward position non-stop to play it. That was a mistake from the beginning.

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    3. Re:Hard to say by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      <pedant>Technically, the Nintendo DS is the second best-selling console of all time, behind the Playstation 2 (146.42M vs. 150M as of December 2010).</pedant>

    4. Re:Hard to say by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      The biggest issue with the DS was that it took a long, long time before interesting games became available on the platform.

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    5. Re:Hard to say by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You should have seen the Power Glove. It was so bad!

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    6. Re:Hard to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The N64 controller was comfortable to hold but the thumbstick could have used a little bit of padding. Using that for longer than ten minutes would kill my thumb.

    7. Re:Hard to say by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Sacrificed on the alter of cartridge games.

    8. Re:Hard to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the "pedant" didn't even notice that the GP said best selling handheld?

    9. Re:Hard to say by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly why he used the word "handheld" and not "console." Turn in your pedant card at the door.

    10. Re:Hard to say by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      *grumbles about being out-pedanted as he hands in his card*

      Not sure why I misread that.

    11. Re:Hard to say by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Love your username, by the way.

    12. Re:Hard to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am with you, track record would say you lose money betting against Nintendo, just ask Microsoft, Sony, Sega, Atari.....

      Usually they are ahead of the pack, disruptive technology,

    13. Re:Hard to say by david.given · · Score: 1

      Sitting downstairs on the shelf next to the TV, still plugged into the N64...

      (Not that I use it any more. But I'd much, much rather be using the N64 controller with its weirdly asymmetric but incredibly comfortable stance than the Game Cube controller. Or even a PS2 controller, where the analogue sticks aren't actually under my thumbs.)

    14. Re:Hard to say by dstyle5 · · Score: 1

      The Cube controller is ergonomically fantastic. The only thing I don't like about is the weird A/B/X/Y button layout. Well that and the Z buttons tacked on design. The Wavebird is glorious too.

    15. Re:Hard to say by erko · · Score: 1

      Nice one :) -- I liked that movie

      You should've seen R.O.B. the robot -- I still don't know how it was supposed to work (a friend had one), but it did have buttons of some kind.

    16. Re:Hard to say by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      I got that version of the NES as a kid (the one that came with ROB). I don't remember how well he worked nor do I know whatever happened to him. I do know he was supposed to play a game called Gyromite with you which you could also play with two game pads. My dad and I played that co-operatively for many, many hours.

      Oh and there were in fact some kind of tops or something that spun in place that ROB used. Or something. I think I remember that. (it's only been 25 years, my memory may not be accurate)

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    17. Re:Hard to say by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Rob was almost entirely made for the games Gyromite and Stack-up.

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    18. Re:Hard to say by supersloshy · · Score: 1

      When they announced the N64 with its 3-prong controller, everyone said that looked like the most uncomfortable thing they'd ever seen -- and it was maybe the most comfortable one I've ever used, even to this day.

      Have you tried the Gamecube controller and/or the Classic Controller Pro? As much as I love how versatile yet comfortable the N64 controller was, the Gamecube/CCP controllers were fantastically ergonomic. Unlike the PS2 controller which still makes my hands hurt to this day, I can go at Monster Hunter Tri for hours on the CCP and not feel a thing. Fantastic controller design, Nintendo has, really.

      At the very least, it sounds like there's some real possibility there. I just hope I'm not paying $150 a controller!

      The Wii U controller is designed so you only need one of them. The system, in effect, is just a severely upgraded Wii, to the point of the main multiplayer controller being the Wiimote. The regular Wii U controller is more or less meant for single-player games, or for a fifth player in multiplayer games (the demos they showed at E3 are very slick and indicate the possibilities for the controller; check them out on any gaming website, like IGN or Kotaku or Gamespot).

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    19. Re:Hard to say by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      No buttons of its own. It had two little "pivots" connected to a sleeve you tucked Controller 2 into (Red and Blue pivots pushed the A and B buttons. May have the orders reversed.)

      He also had a "spinner." You would have to direct Rob (using headache-inducing screen flicker to send the signal to the bot) to pick up the gyro, put it in the spinner until it got a good spin going, then pick it up and put it on the pivot-button that held the button down until the top-spin died down and it fell off (usually crushing your little scientist dude when the walls went back up).

    20. Re:Hard to say by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      and it was maybe the most comfortable one I've ever used, even to this day.

      First time ever I've heard someone say this.

      The thing gave me knuckle burn like nothing else.

    21. Re:Hard to say by Godai · · Score: 1

      Heh, very true! I forgot about the Power Glove! When that came out, I thought it was the coolest thing (hey, I was maybe 8). When I finally got try it years later, I couldn't believe how awful it was.

      And let's not leave out that floor pad thing, whatever it was called. I remember using it in that terrible track & field game. Eventually my brother & I realized that if you just stepped off it for things like the long jump your guy would fly forever :)

      Nintendo had a lot of terrible peripherals way back (though to be fair, so did their competitors). Been a while since they really put out a head-smacker.

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    22. Re:Hard to say by Godai · · Score: 1

      I like the Gamecube controller, but I still prefer the N64 one by a hair.

      And that's an interesting tidbit about the Wii U controller. I've seen a few videos and write-ups -- including a few that make surprised noise about how easy it actually is to hold -- but I hadn't seen anything on how many of those controllers you'd need. It feels like there would be some games you'd want a 2nd player to have that as well, but maybe doing so would just be a frill. I hadn't considered the possibility that the big controller is, in essence, just part of the console itself and not meant to be found in fours.

      Thanks for that!

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    23. Re:Hard to say by Godai · · Score: 1

      This is proving true on the 3DS as well, which probably accounts for its somewhat disappointing sales. I have one, and Ghost Recon is enjoyable, but hardly a killer app. I've yet to try Pilot Wings, and while I enjoyed past iterations that doesn't feel like the make-or-break game either. I'm always surprised when they launch any new platform without something that's 'must play' but somehow that seems to often be the case for any console.

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    24. Re:Hard to say by Psykechan · · Score: 1

      The Z button on the Gamecube controller can go straight to hell. From the way the analog R slider is designed you either have to use a different finger/thumb to operate Z (very awkward) or you can repeatedly scrape your finger raw on the plastic lip of the R slider (ouch!) or you can press it with your index finger's knuckle (good way to get RSI) or you can say screw it and use your middle finger on the R slider, your index finger on the Z (and the other two fingers left holding the controller will give you a hand charlie horse after only 10 minutes of play).

      The controller was designed to be very ergonomic and then the Z button was thrown on as a last minute to appease some jackass. The fact that 9 out of 10 games that used it wouldn't let you configure your buttons made it all the more infuriating. For every game like Pikmin which only used it to change the camera, there was a SSB:M which had two buttons for jump, two buttons for shield, but only one button (Z natch) for drop the item you're carrying. I can see why people play with no items!

      Fuck you Z button. You ruined an otherwise good design.

      There, I feel better.

    25. Re:Hard to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't really matter if the controller is good or not. The system is backwards compatible. If people don't like the new controller, they can use the old ones. I would buy the Wii U just to get HD, especially if it upscales all past games. 480p looks awful on any display device, but especially awful on the 1920x1200 LCD I use to play the Wii on.

    26. Re:Hard to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries. The designer of the Virtual Boy is dead.

    27. Re:Hard to say by supersloshy · · Score: 1

      ...I honestly don't see how it's so hard to use your middle finger to press a button. The PS2/360/PS3 designs have four buttons on the back; I've just gotten into the habit of using my middle finger, which isn't nearly as hard as you say it is. In fact, it's pretty comfortable to me. Also, in SSBM, you can throw items with the C-stick, and almost everybody I know does that instead of simply dropping the item (why drop it when you can throw it off the edge or in someone's face?).

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  40. Looks like a UAV controller by bughunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    That Wii U photo makes it look a whole lot like one of several makes of Small UAV hand controllers.

    A lot of work goes into the ergonomics of these things, because soldiers spend a lot of time using them, so there's a reason they all look very similar. Several ergonomic factors, obvious from the convergence of these designs, appear to be universal:

    - Touchscreens are sexy but impractical. They're imprecise without a stylus, awkward to hold, and you have to obscure your view of the action to effect a control.
    - It's nearly impossible make the screen too large. There's a reason the screen is big and dominates the faces of all of these units.
    - Controls are arranged on the sides so that the fingers can take the weight while the thumbs work the controls without requiring the user adjust his grip.
    - Control paradigms are borrowed from the original Playstation hand controllers because most users have prior experience with them.
    - Light weight tradeoff against battery life, screen size, and ruggedness.

    Looks like the convergence is happening from both directions. And it's not surprising because the human interface requirements are very similar in both applications.

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    1. Re:Looks like a UAV controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original Playstation controller is a copy of the Snes controler plus volume, so, control paradigms are in fact borrowed from the original Snes controller.

    2. Re:Looks like a UAV controller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Touchscreens are sexy but impractical. They're imprecise without a stylus, awkward to hold, and you have to obscure your view of the action to effect a control."

      Yes, because the iPad and iPad don't seem to be doing well at all. There are plenty of people out there who don't have any problem using touch screens.

      "Control paradigms are borrowed from the original Playstation hand controllers because most users have prior experience with them."

      And where did the original Playstation get them from? Have you played a Super Nintendo?

    3. Re:Looks like a UAV controller by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      Control paradigms are borrowed from the original Playstation hand controllers because most users have prior experience with them.

      You do know that the original playstation controller was a snes controller with an extra l/r button yes?

    4. Re:Looks like a UAV controller by bughunter · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of people out there who don't have any problem using touch screens.

      Yep. And they aren't soldiers operating UAVs. The iPad and iPhone make poor UAV controllers. Don't doubt that people have tried.

      Here's another reason: GIS for Raven Hand Controller

      See that hood? That's so you can a) see the screen in daylight, and b) operate at night without illuminating yourself. They're standard issue with the most common SUAV in service, and the hoods are used more often than not. You can't use a touch screen with that hood on there. And you sure as hell can't ask your customer to abandon the hood.

      When we solicited requirements for new versions of UAV and UGV hand controllers, every customer suggested a touchscreen. But everytime we proposed one, we learned that it was the administrators that wanted the touchscreens. When the actual users, the soldiers who need to operate them in real world conditions, learned of the feature, they insisted that they can't use them and asked us to keep the joysticks, directional pads, and buttons.

      We got a lot of people proposing features because they seem cool, or sexy, or they were the pet idea of some wannabe engineer. But when the rubber hits the road, you need to do proper systems engineering and HI design to optimize the feature set, or you're gonna get a dunsel that nobody will use under real conditions. Operating a drone is not the same as playing Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja. (If you want a better comparison, it's more like Starcraft using nothing but Protoss Observers.)

      There are ways, with improvements in touchscreens, that they might be able to work, but I'm not free to talk about that. Suffice it to say that the technology isn't ready yet.

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    5. Re:Looks like a UAV controller by crossmr · · Score: 1

      - Touchscreens are sexy but impractical. They're imprecise without a stylus, awkward to hold, and you have to obscure your view of the action to effect a control.

      This one appears to have buttons on it so you'll likely be using the buttons far more than the touchscreen itself. The touch screen will likely be for quicker things, switching inventory, a quick potion, etc. Not something that requires pixel perfect precision and there likely won't be any action going on on the touch screen.

    6. Re:Looks like a UAV controller by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the iPad and iPad don't seem to be doing well at all.

      .
      WiiU doesn't have a iPad level touch screen, it has a very basic single-touch screen, likely like the DS and 3DS and while those are functional, they aren't really all that great.

  41. Re:It's just a rehash of stuff they've already tri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually it's just an evolution of some ideas they've been poking around with tethering DSs to the Wii. There were a few games where you could use the DS as a Wiimote, and you had your own individual screen info.

    Actually Nintendo's been doing this for much longer. All the way back in the Game Boy Advance days you could plug one of them up to your Gamecube and use it as a controller.

  42. and can be used in conjunction with Wii controller by northernfrights · · Score: 1

    "and can be used in conjunction with Wii controllers, the company said"

    Hold your horses people, they aren't saying you have to use this mammoth just to play wii bowling.

  43. favorite part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favorite part of the Reuters post is where it says '10 adp' (which is crossed out). I view this as an indication of the tech level of the reporter. Either that, or it's a shorthand I've never seen before, but one that I think I might adopt (for trollish purposes, of course).

    1. Re:favorite part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumb either way. 10adp is 5 characters and 1080p is ....5 characters...terrible tachygraphy. Although I do see the value for trollish purposes.

  44. Paraphrasing Lionel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Wii U, Wii Mii, Wii-ing together".

    1. Re:Paraphrasing Lionel... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'll license the song for their ads and have him re-record it with the altered lyrics. He could use the money.

      I had a dream,
      I had an awesome dream
      People in the park
      Playing games in the dark
      And what they played
      Was a masquerade
      From behind the walls of doubt
      A voice was crying out...

      "Wii would like to play."

      Wii U, Wii Mii
      Play it for always
      That's the way it should be
      Wii U, Wii Mii
      Play it together
      Naturally

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  45. Command and Control for multiplayer by sdguero · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of possibilities here. What about a Battlefield 2 style command and control team system? The commander could have the main screen and the troops could use their controllers as FPS devices.

    Or playing mario kart, each with there own individual screen and the TV showing a top down view of the amp with score keeping.

    I'm excited about the potential...

    1. Re:Command and Control for multiplayer by sdguero · · Score: 1

      It would make an awesome console for virtual poker games too. :)

  46. Ninitendo should add a mouse to the tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So while playing your Wii U you get Xbox 360 ported fps games with upgraded PC like 1080p graphics?

    And you are holding a small Wacom like tablet in your lap?

    Then why not go all the way and add a wacom like (soft fabric, tablet cleaning) 3 dollar mouse to the standard package? Then you get PC game responsiveness as well and you are one upping the other consoles. The mouse could even have a glass scope target thingy, like a 30 year old CAD mouse, so you can hit target on the tablet with your mouse.

    1. Re:Ninitendo should add a mouse to the tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should also make a clear distinction between family friendly games and hardcore games that show blood or require hours of dedication and better then average mastering of the controls to get beyond the introduction levels. Something like

      Nintendo Red Label, Hardcore Gaming.

      Also my mom's gonna love this console as it will allow for really popular PC gaming if you get a second screen controller: Patience for two players with better then DS quality game cards rendering! It lies at the root of the Nintendo company. Goodbye KDE, hello Nintendo.

    2. Re:Ninitendo should add a mouse to the tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another "mature" gamer? A hardcore title can look like Duplo, gore my ass.

    3. Re:Ninitendo should add a mouse to the tablet by Millennium · · Score: 1

      You know, I could get behind this. A red label along the lines of your description would let healthy gamers know exactly which games to round-file.

  47. good for football games by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    So you can pick a play with out the other player seeing what you picking.

  48. Could've been worse by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    They could have named it the Wii Wii.

  49. I could see it working... by RingDev · · Score: 1

    for multiplayer strategy board games.

    Imagine a M:tG game where you have your hand on your controler but you share the table with your opponent. Or a Clue! murder mistery, again with your own set of clues on your controler and the full board on display. Or an RPG with your character info and stats on your controler and the active game on the screen. Or a FF Strategies or Maden footbal style game where each player can control play selection, and possibly even FPS style game play on their control while the screen shows a typical football or kunfu movie interface.

    I think there are definately uses for it, especially in multi-player and social atmospheres.

    Not that I'm going to buy one, but it looks like there could be some action for it.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:I could see it working... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is where they are heading.
      - Card games (think Poker), TV shows the table, controllers show your cards to you. Also Mario Party type games.
      - Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, and Legend of Zelda 4 Swords will finally be playable with friends (just how many friends had the cables to use their GBA with your GC? I had two, one for the original Advance, and one MadKatz version)
      - Less asinine MMORPG and FPS game controls. Like holy crap these games are annoying to play on consoles because you have to have so much crap covering the screen or you have to cycle through things. At least this puts it somewhere useful. Also zoomable "Sights" for FPS and Ranged weapons. FFXIV would be so much less annoying to play... though at this point I think the game is doomed.
      - The stylus-usable screen also suggests we're going to see a lot of wieners if the camera itself doesn't. Never underestimate the childish stupidity of others.

    2. Re:I could see it working... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could, I dunno, PLAY THE FUCKING BOARD GAME. Isn't that retro enough for you hipsters these days?

  50. Emulators by blizter · · Score: 1

    They will probably allow you to play Game Boy games on the controller.

  51. Nintendo - Epic Fail in Progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nintendo is making a classic mistake. After the success of the Wii and DS, they over-engineered a follow up that tries to blend DS and Motion control, but lost touch with reality on this one.

    Waving a huge, "expensive" tablet in the living room doesn't sound at all like a bad idea.... Not only will you destroy the $2000 HDTV but a $200 game controller to boot.

    Obviously, I am sure that Nintendo will have some smaller wand like controllers as part of their arsenal of value added controllers (which drove a $289 base console to well over $600 by the time you get a round of nun chucks and Wiimotes, and then eventually the stuff that made Wiimotes better). But I think Nintendo has missed the boat on this one. Like the 3DS, this will suffer from a lack luster response and most likely an uninspired of release titles (wow, can't wait for that Super Monkey Ball that will make use of a screen on the remote, sheesh).

    And before some of you "clever" children go on about how successful the Wii was, Nintendo sold a lot of consoles, but it was not a successful platform. Game sales have been diving on the Wii for years and only first party titles like Zelda and Mario sold well. But Nintendo was coming off a stream of failures beginning with the N64 and the Wii it turning out to be an anomaly in terms of success for Nintendo, glad to see they are back to their old ways.

    1. Re:Nintendo - Epic Fail in Progress by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      The Wii made Nintendo LOTS of money and sold more units than PS3 and XBOX 360 at the time IIRC. So it was a HUGE successly platform; lots of third party titles are not relevant for casual players, the original Wii's target market.

      What you miss is that with the new horsepower in the WiiU, finally first-class titles for Xbox and PS3 can ALSO be released for the Wii, so it can appeal to Nintendo's mid-core gamers.

      This levels the field for the three consoles to be comparable, with the Wii probably slightly ahead in terms of sold units thanks to being the only one appealing to the general public (Move doesn't count, and Kinnect is a hard sell for someone who doesn't own a X360 already) and that Nintendo doesn't need to sell it at a loss. A clever, clever move.

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  52. "Vita" means "Life" in Italian too... by KingofGnG · · Score: 1

    FYI, "Vita" is a Latin world as much as it's an Italian one. The meaning is the same, too....

    1. Re:"Vita" means "Life" in Italian too... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      People in Italy speaking Latin?!? That doesn't make any sense at all.

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    2. Re:"Vita" means "Life" in Italian too... by KingofGnG · · Score: 1

      People in Italy speak one of the Neo-Latin languages descending from Latin, yes :-P

  53. Just what Sony needed .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more data in their servers. If they totally made a mess on the account data on the PSN with all of their security holes.... I just can not wait to see what happens with the 3G data.

  54. mmorpg's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally a console ready for mmorpg's!

  55. Not for the hardcore gamer, but... by TuringTest · · Score: 1

    This controller (too big for extended gaming periods, though it is likely to be revised before launch) and feature-set won't appeal to the hardcore gamer but is perfect for the mid-core gamer.

    Backwards compatibility with the original Wii means a neverending stream of casual games (that will continue to be created for both Wii and WiiU), good to share with family and friends; but now finally A-titles will be released for the three main systems, so the mid-core player won't be left behind.

    People speculated that this release would signal the 8th generation of consoles. What has happened is that all vendors have reached convergence, with MS Kinect and PS Move reaching maturity and catching up with motion systems, while Nintendo has released a console with competitive performance that can sell for a profit. Welcome to the 7.5 generation.

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  56. Well... by lopaka1998 · · Score: 1

    Well, Wii U, too, pal! and yes... for those who are oblivious, replace Wii with F***

  57. Oh come on! by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
    Do they have to make it this friggin easy?

    What game console is that?

    I think it's Wii U

    I we you what?

    What's the third gen tech going to be - the "Wii U Mii"? Followed closely by "Thay Wii U Mii"?

    1. Re:Oh come on! by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1

      There's an Austin Powers reference in here some where. You know, from the really, really bad one... fook u..fook mee..

      Insert your own joke here.

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  58. Name of console stolen.... by Capeman · · Score: 1

    From 2002's Kung Pow, hear Ling: http://youtu.be/92mFlANJ3Ew

  59. Isn't the Wii brand by JTsyo · · Score: 1

    the one geared more towards young kids? I wouldn't trust my kid with that.

    1. Re:Isn't the Wii brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the Wii is the one geared towards anyone who isn't an adolescent male.

  60. Wii U, P U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a stinky name.

  61. Back from the... past? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    This controller looks more like a cross between the Wii classic controller and an Intellivision controller.

  62. Oh no!!! by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

    Wii U, Wii U, Wii U :-(

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  63. What's with the name? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    Is there some kind of internal contest within Nintendo on who comes up with the most idiotic name? with big cash prizes? instant promotion for the winner?

    I really can't explain it otherwise...

    1. Re:What's with the name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... maybe Nintendo is secretly a marketing research experiment to determine if awful product names actually negatively impact affect sales.

      Of course, I will probably end up buying one...

    2. Re:What's with the name? by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      Google "Engrish". Don't forget Nintendo is a Japanese company.

  64. Europe Screwed Again by Spad · · Score: 1

    That's $365 for the Wi-Fi and $439 for the 3G in the EU - they don't list UK prices, but assuming £249 and £299 that's $409 and $491 respectively.

    Laughable.

  65. Well, Slashdot hates the Wii U... by autojive · · Score: 1

    therefore it's going to be a resounding success.

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  66. I'm liking this more as I think about it. by Toonol · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking about this more, and I've decided it's masterful. You can now do much of the activity without even using the TV. Quickly spend twenty minutes on WiiFit? Use the Opera browser, check news or weather?

    All can be done while the TV is off or somebody else is using it. Kid playing a game and your show comes on? Switch it to the controller, and change channels.

    The only problem is really the ergonomics of the large controller. Assuming that THAT is ok, the utility of this will be great. It reminds me of all the confusion when Nintendo first introduced the DS and the dual screen/touchscreen.

  67. Re:That WII U controller reminds me of Dreamcast.. by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

    Wait...did you actually USE the DC controller? It's easily one of the most comfy controllers I've ever played with. Looks like hell, but a great controller.

  68. they should have called it ... by smisle · · Score: 1

    They should call it the Wii Boy

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    1. Re:they should have called it ... by DamienNightbane · · Score: 0

      Given that the TV and the controller will be acting as a pair of screens, clearly they should call it the Wii S.

  69. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inner Thigh Exercises - How to Get Sexy Legs and Butt
    http://innerthigh-exercises.com

  70. Re:It's just a rehash of stuff they've already tri by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

    I was referring more to the HUGE controller than the features it provides. Yes they've done it before and it's a great idea. They need to do more of it. But the controller / handheld console / thing needs to be about half that size.

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  71. International prices by loufoque · · Score: 1

    $249 in the US, JPY24,980 in Japan, and EUR249 in Europe

    Hasn't anyone told them that $1 != 1€ != ¥100 ?

  72. Check the Nintendo website by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    Just thinking back to those people who accidentally threw their Wiimotes into their TVs, can you imagine the mess that one would cause :)

    If you look at the Nintendo website you can see that the new system will also support the old Wii motes (and Wii motes with motion plus). You would likely use those for the more active (sports) games, and the new controllers for the games that are more similar to what is played on other consoles currently.

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  73. HTPC by taucross · · Score: 2

    If Nintendo get off their collective asses and add some decent HTPC capability to this unit, that remote would be quite awesome.

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    1. Re:HTPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As said many times during the initial Wii days -- Nintendo makes GAME consoles. Not do-everything-half-assedly-console-craputers.

  74. Camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone notice that it looks like there's a built in camera in the black bar at the top of the controller?

    1. Re:Camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, no one noticed. Nintendo just pointed it out at their E3 presentation this morning. http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201106/phpBsu5lMNintendoKeynote351.jpg

  75. Re:It's just a rehash of stuff they've already tri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which of course has its roots in the GBA to Gamecube connectivity, driven by Nintendo and Square's collaboration a decade ago.

    It could also be viewed as turning the home console into a giant DS of sorts. Your TV serving as the top screen, and the touchscreen in your hands on the couch.

  76. Hacking possibilities by Dusthead+Jr. · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I bought myself a Wiimote just to play around with after watching Johnny Chaung Lee's demos. The Wiimote packed a lot of tech in a small space and I found it finding new and interesting uses for it. This new controller got me wondering about all of the cool ways this could be used on a PC. I mean forget an iPad (yes I know it's not the same), but if I could play PC games, or emulators, or what ever else with this I want it. Sure I might be more expensive than a Wiimote, but I;m guessing it'll be much cheaper than most tablets.

    1. Re:Hacking possibilities by DamienNightbane · · Score: 0

      You ought to get yourself a Wii Motion Plus Wiimote. They seem to have improved the motion sensing significantly.

      The new Zelda game will have Link's sword actually follow your motions with the Wiimote instead of just responding to various wiggles.

  77. I want to know what "10 adp" graphics are ... by Hidyman · · Score: 1

    and where to get them.

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    1. Re:I want to know what "10 adp" graphics are ... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I love text to speech.

      That was meant to say 1080p, I'll bet you a new WiiU!

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  78. We shall see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like a game gear with a 50x larger screen. I see a couple things wrong with this...

    -1. The ergonomics of it are practically nonexistent. There is no special gimmick to the controller as far as feel goes, it's a brick.. plain and simple. I thought we evolved from the brick controllers of old times.

    -2. That large of an lcd is impractical and unnecessary. For things that it will be used for, much like how the Dreamcast worked, I don't think you would need even half of that size of screen in order to tell what items you have in your inventory, details you need to know, etc.

    -3. In a Sony like PS3 launch move, they are jamming an expensive technology into something that should be reasonably priced. Not going to be popular with the majority of consumers. I can easily see these controllers costing $100 or more, and I bet Nintendo will lose a lot of money because of it.

    Most forget the main reason the Wii sold so well. It wasn't because of the gimmick of it entirely. It was simply the best buy at the time. No one had seen a $250 launch price for a console in recent times. The gimmick was good for occasional party people who would break it out for some light entertainment, so it was sensible.

    I think Nintendo may lose this round if they aren't careful.

  79. Christmas 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to have a console matching the hardware of 5 year old PS3 (6 years by the time it is released) is a bit late in the game. Just like they did with the Wii, they hope the casual consumer, the mom, the kid, just looks at the prices and how it looks special and chooses that console, rather than the fact they're getting less value for their money and the game companies will drop it within a few years like they did with the Wii. Nintendo is making money off of this strategy, but it's bad for the consumer if you want a solid console that consistently has great game releases from a variety of companies. .

    1. Re:Christmas 2012 by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      Mid-core gamers don't care about visuals, but still buy AAA-games and are a market beyond 'casual'. Sure, true hard-cores will still buy PS4 and Xbox720 and avoid Wii U, but hard-cores haven't been the target market since the first generation.

      Also notice that is not dropping the Wii - backwards compatibility means that casual games will still be targeted for the old and new systems.

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  80. I don't even know what it is, but I want it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah.. Now to sell my Wii before gamestop lowers its trade value to 20$ like they do every time a new console is announced.. Then place a pre order even though I don't really want this -_-

    Damn you Nintendo for tapping into my inner child!

    Also anyone know if there's anywhere that you can pre order from? Amazon doesn't have it up yet and the only site I saw that has some sort of recognition for pre orders is www.preorder-wiiu.com.. but even there you still can't pre order.

  81. Re:Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wii U? More like pee-yew!

    ...I'm sorry, I'll show myself out.

  82. Use of Controller as a Standalone Device by doomtiki · · Score: 1

    It looks like that controller has a reasonably decent CPU and graphics hardware on it. Given the camera and other hardware on the unit, it is very likely that the device is locally executing some program to interact with the main console. It isn't really that practical to render everything on the console and stream it uncompressed to four separate tablet remotes, so I think this is the likely implementation. If this controller had some form of local storage or even an SD card slot, it could hypothetically be used as a standalone "Nintendo tablet." This would involve Nintendo competing against itself in the handheld gaming market, but if the controller has high enough specs, it might be a good hedge against the 3DS catastrophically failing against the new Playstation Vita. While the device could obviously not directly compete with iOS and Android devices, it could fill an important niche role, especially if Nintendo could market the device as a safe tablet for children. With the right apps, they could even sell the things to schools.

    1. Re:Use of Controller as a Standalone Device by grumbel · · Score: 1

      It isn't really that practical to render everything on the console and stream it uncompressed to four separate tablet remotes

      Rumor is that the WiiU only supports a single screen-controller, the rest will be regular Wiimotes. Also the whole compression/uncompression will likely be done in hardware, not software, so I wouldn't expect the thing to be of much use as standalone. Also the whole WiiU would be prohibitively expensive if the thing would be any good as a standalone and able to compete against Vita.

  83. Re:It's just a rehash of stuff they've already tri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There were a few games where you could use the DS as a Wiimote, and you had your own individual screen info.

    Now, see, THAT makes sense. If you own a DS then you've got a controller+screen combo already laying around. This thing is going to be about half the price of the NDS yet is tethered to the console so you can't take it with you, WTF? [Screen, buttons, wireless, RAM for the framebuffer, possibly a microcontroller to hold it all together. Add general purpose RAM, a cart slot and an ARM9 CPU and you'll have a 1 screen DS (better screen res than the DS as well)]

    Oh, and it ACTUALLY rips off the SEGA Dreamcast (at least, possibly others before it, I seriously doubt the idea was original) which had memory carts that had screens which you could play mini-versions of some of the console games on (Sonic Adventure had a Chao Garden you could take with you) and would show stats from the game if it was plugged in whilst you played.

  84. 3d!!! by Torodung · · Score: 1

    But if that LCD does 3D without glasses like the 3DS, it's sure to be a smashing success.

    Another thought: That's not a controller, that's a murder weapon.

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  85. That's no controller, it's a murder weapon! by Torodung · · Score: 1

    It was Prof. Miyamoto, with the Wii U controller, in the Game Room!

  86. Price scam much? by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

    Soooo... 249/299$, and 249/299€, eh? When did the Euro and the Dollar become linked currencies? I hadn't heard that the concept of "exchange rates" had been obsoleted.

    Thank you for yet more assrape, Sony. Fuck you with a broomstick, I'm not your milking cow. You can keep your crap.

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    1. Re:Price scam much? by grumbel · · Score: 1

      $==€ has been standard practice for consoles and Apple products for years. Also US prices are without VST, while Euro prices including VST, Euro has mandatory 2 year warranty, US doesn't, so the price difference is not quite as big as it seems.

      And anyway, that's nothing. Back when the Xbox1 launched Microsoft converted $299 to 479€, which of course was an obvious rip off and they had to cut down the price soon after launch and give out free games to people who bought it for 479€.

    2. Re:Price scam much? by ranulf · · Score: 1

      The pricing is incredibly bizarre. The US price works out to Y20,000 and the EU price works out at Y29,000. The Japanese price is in the middle at Y25,000. I know the US is often cheaper, but it's odd that their home market price is 25% higher than the US. Even considering Japan's consumption tax at 5%, that's a Y4,000 markup for their home territory compared to the US pre-sales tax price. And certainly, whilst import duty and VAT is fairly high in Europe, it's nowhere near 45%...

  87. Videoconferencing? by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    What about videoconferencing? You see the person you are calling on the TV, and whatever you are filming with the controller (usually yourself) on the controller...

    Sounds like a simple way of having videoconferencing that is as living-room friendly as the kinekt version, without all the fancy skeleton tracking.

    Of course, to be really useful it would need to talk to skype or google talk or something... And they could beat the competition by making it free since it doesn't cost them anything (why should I need to pay a subscription to use a device I own to talk over the internet connection I pay for?).

  88. NGP pricing by daddy32 · · Score: 1

    So, $1 = 1€ all over again :(

  89. In soviet russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, Wii U!

  90. Re:That WII U controller reminds me of Dreamcast.. by Fierlo · · Score: 1

    What? Like the back of a Volkswagen?

  91. Looking good. by IronSight · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's because I have big hands, I owned a game gear, I normally game on pc (lots of hand space between the mouse and wasd keys makes for rather comfy gaming), and I actually prefer the old huge xbox controller I am saying this but I like this controller idea. I am sure after seeing all the complaints nintendo will probably make a smaller version so those people can happily squint at a smaller screen or something. Looking at it being used on videos, it doesn't look that uncomfy to me, I mean they are showing little asian women using this with small hands and not having a problem, I think that maybe I will be okay. I do hope though these controllers can somehow be priced in the 50 dollar area or so though. That wouldn't break the bank for me. I can't say I would hate it if the xbox players doesn't buy it though. Those of you who have had to sit though the rubbish they spew out on their headsets (not tactical data, or teamwork, but the vocal equivalent of goatse) probably appreciate a game online without voice. When they were showing the starfox64 remake with the video all I could think was, "If this was on 360, all you would see are penises)", and when they were showing off drawing stuff on the tekken charactors, "Yeah, that would be all penises and swasticas on live...".

  92. I wonder... by Syberz · · Score: 1

    I wonder why console makers even bother with buttons anymore. A part from hardware shoulder buttons, the rest of the controller could be one big multi-touch screen with vibration feedback. That way developers could have as many buttons as they like, placed however they'd like them.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of the Joystick, but the game can be designed around it. Sometimes.
      Otherwise, with most games, you'll be literally mashing a couple of buttons, I'm not sure how a touchscreen would fare after 5 hours of intense Street Fighter.

  93. Controllers look VERY pricey by funkify · · Score: 1

    I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet. What the heck happens when one of your [kids, douchey semi-friends, drunken evil twins, etc.] drops and breaks one of these controllers?

    If you ask me, these controllers look like a VERY bad idea, if only for this reason. I'd imagine the controllers alone are going to be $100 a pop. I don't think I'll be buying this, if only to prevent assault charges on myself when I rage after one inevitably gets broken by somebody being careless.

  94. other peripherals coming soon by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 0

    meata - accessory that monitors your pulse and heart rate so it can adjust gameplay to scare the crap out of you better

    vegimin - headpiece accessory that detects when brain waves go beta so they can interrupt your game with a commercial

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  95. FIFA 12 by GamesNgage · · Score: 1

    Fifa 12 release date has been officially announce check the release date http://www.gamesngage.com/fifa-12-3ds.html

  96. would be intersting to hack it to use MYTHTV by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    Id rather see this thing hacked, so we could stream info/screen/movies from a mythtv box to the controller, then use the controller as a big selection input device to select a movie, and bang, play it on the remote, or play it on the tv.

    That would rock more!.

    I wonder what sort of vid format it would use, h264 or something with subchannel info for 'menus/controlls' touch areas, with 'urls' back to the host, or byte streams.

    In any case, would even work as a remote desktop to your linux/windows box too, and as a cheap home tablet in a way. Just need a remote desktop to an 'android session' if you could have android in a VM.

     

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