As much as I despise ALL CAPS posting, I don't think it has anything to do with creditworthiness. You (and lenders in the article) are making financial decisions based on non-financial characteristics.
For example, I don't like dog owners that don't pick up after their dogs. If I see an application by such person, and they are foolish enough for this to show from reading loan application, I too wouldn't lend them money. Still, this won't have anything to do with their ability to repay the loan.
Start working on Windows 9, you won't redeem this one so late in the game.
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Slashdot is like an elephant - has long memory and can't see well in front of it.
Microsoft hasn't be a monopoly since mid 2000s. Sure, they have a dominant market share in the horse-buggy and whip industry of desktop OS, but this matters less and less every day.
If you make over $100K you can afford one of these, you just chose not to. You are probably spending your money on other things - like large mortgage, retirement savings, kid's college, stay at home spouse... all very reasonable things.
>>> he should pursue the path that makes him happy.
I find this highly inapplicable advice. Very few people enjoy work, just ask yourself and co-workers as to who still would come to work if they won a lottery.
Assuming he is a normal human being, he won't enjoy work. The best he can hope is fulfilling career with adequate compensation. You can trade increase in fulfillment for decrease of compensation, but "happy" is definitely out of the question. Happy is what happens outside of work. If all you do is work, then your opportunities to be happy drastically decrease.
First, 70$ out of college is unbelievably good. I am willing to bet that some people here don't make that much.
Second, Blizzard, or any other gaming studio will be very high-demand low-reward position. Your friend will be knowingly taking less pay for more work.Plus his work at gaming studio won't translate well into broader IT field, a lot of gaming technologies are not used elsewhere. (e.g. programming gaming engine will not help him get a job at CISCO or Google)
Don't try to stop your friend, but make sure he is making an educated decision.
You might want to re-read this thread, because everyone here is went off the deep 'death threats is the only thing devs get' end. Death threats are bad, no shit, but just because some not told you to off yourself I shouldn't be able to tell you that your game sucks balls and is about as much fun as drinking gasoline?! FTS
Agreed, but don't try to pretend that death threats is the only kind of feedback they get.
Just because some idiot threatened you, doesn't mean that all other criticism you got is automatically invalid, nor that everyone else who didn't make any death threats is not entitled to criticize you.
Did you pay me to read my posts? Was there something majorly wrong with my post? Did I put my contact information in the post with intention to get contacted about the post? If yes to all of these, then call away.
When you get to Step 1 for the 50th time, your patience runs out and desire to 'stick with the program' goes negative. It is nice to pretend that all the criticism is some boneheaded "I will kill you" directed at undeserving bystander developers, but this is simply not the case. Most of it is directed at specific faults and/or general company conduct. As with everything, small % of it is garbage.
>>>Wait, the game industry treats its people badly, so that means it is morally ok for fans to treat them badly too because it is their own fault for being game developers?
No, the game industry treats customers badly by pushing derivative and faulty product and engaging in abusive practices. The fans, who happen to be paid customers, react to this and lash out at company representatives. Since whole gaming industry is riddled with poor management and questionable practices they do not have any mechanisms in place separating employees as people from getting ire directed at the company.
Saying criticism must stop is sticking your corporate heads in the sand. Customer criticism is there for a reason. It is yet another gaming industry failure that it happen to fall on specific individuals not involved in PR.
>>>Imagine somebody coming up to the counter of whatever supermarket you work at and start verbally abusing you for decissions made by some upper level management people.
When you are flipping burgers that are known to give people food poisoning, then yes, if I happen to eat one and get poisoned I will let you know what I think about your company and your burgers.
At the same time it wouldn't be directed at you as a person, rather you as a nearest representative of the company.
You are confusing interpersonal relationships with corporate relationships. Are you one of the "Corporations are people" market extremists? I hope not.
Fundamental issue here is Customers vs Corporations, and customers by virtue of payment, are entitled to any and all kind of abuse directed at these corporations. When abuse spills on unsuspecting employees of these corporations, well then it is a problem with corporate governance.
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>>>I suppose filling in a loan application form in red crayon is a bad idea
No, it shows you are creditworthy and responsible parent of at least one kid.
As much as I despise ALL CAPS posting, I don't think it has anything to do with creditworthiness. You (and lenders in the article) are making financial decisions based on non-financial characteristics.
For example, I don't like dog owners that don't pick up after their dogs. If I see an application by such person, and they are foolish enough for this to show from reading loan application, I too wouldn't lend them money. Still, this won't have anything to do with their ability to repay the loan.
If you don't have Facebook account, banks conclude you are a sociopath and offer you CEO job.
Start working on Windows 9, you won't redeem this one so late in the game.
Slashdot is like an elephant - has long memory and can't see well in front of it.
Microsoft hasn't be a monopoly since mid 2000s. Sure, they have a dominant market share in the horse-buggy and whip industry of desktop OS, but this matters less and less every day.
>>>If you are afraid to be known for your comments and insist on posting anonymously
You are assuming everyone who is reading your comments is equally reasonable.
YOU ARE WRONG AND I WILL MURDER YOUR FAMILY!!!!
Pseudonymity in the age of data aggregation is crucial. Any "real name" policy is very boneheaded, and can lead to endangering the readers.
You are nuts if you post anything, anywhere under real name. Internet has no "right to forget".
If you make over $100K you can afford one of these, you just chose not to. You are probably spending your money on other things - like large mortgage, retirement savings, kid's college, stay at home spouse... all very reasonable things.
Mod up so others can see this AC post.
Very interesting, never knew this.
>>> he should pursue the path that makes him happy.
I find this highly inapplicable advice. Very few people enjoy work, just ask yourself and co-workers as to who still would come to work if they won a lottery.
Assuming he is a normal human being, he won't enjoy work. The best he can hope is fulfilling career with adequate compensation. You can trade increase in fulfillment for decrease of compensation, but "happy" is definitely out of the question. Happy is what happens outside of work. If all you do is work, then your opportunities to be happy drastically decrease.
Yahoo didn't know he also prepaid lawyers. Or at least lets hope so.
Yahoo has contractual obligation to provide service, sudden death of a party is a sleazy way to weasel out of a service contract.
First, 70$ out of college is unbelievably good. I am willing to bet that some people here don't make that much.
Second, Blizzard, or any other gaming studio will be very high-demand low-reward position. Your friend will be knowingly taking less pay for more work.Plus his work at gaming studio won't translate well into broader IT field, a lot of gaming technologies are not used elsewhere. (e.g. programming gaming engine will not help him get a job at CISCO or Google)
Don't try to stop your friend, but make sure he is making an educated decision.
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You are probably right, I would ask for a manager and then yell at the manager instead. So would most people. Get real.
>>>Another entertainment industry that treats its customers with contempt would be the music industry.
Point taken.
It is very clear that you have never worked in support.
You might want to re-read this thread, because everyone here is went off the deep 'death threats is the only thing devs get' end. Death threats are bad, no shit, but just because some not told you to off yourself I shouldn't be able to tell you that your game sucks balls and is about as much fun as drinking gasoline?! FTS
>>>Why is it so hard to accept that the 'criticism' that game companies get might worse than what is directed at other industries?
Because retail, fast food, Tier 1 phone support for large teleco and many other industries and jobs exist?
>>>Death threats are not criticism.
Agreed, but don't try to pretend that death threats is the only kind of feedback they get.
Just because some idiot threatened you, doesn't mean that all other criticism you got is automatically invalid, nor that everyone else who didn't make any death threats is not entitled to criticize you.
Look up "red herring".
Did you pay me to read my posts? Was there something majorly wrong with my post? Did I put my contact information in the post with intention to get contacted about the post? If yes to all of these, then call away.
When you get to Step 1 for the 50th time, your patience runs out and desire to 'stick with the program' goes negative. It is nice to pretend that all the criticism is some boneheaded "I will kill you" directed at undeserving bystander developers, but this is simply not the case. Most of it is directed at specific faults and/or general company conduct. As with everything, small % of it is garbage.
>>>Wait, the game industry treats its people badly, so that means it is morally ok for fans to treat them badly too because it is their own fault for being game developers?
No, the game industry treats customers badly by pushing derivative and faulty product and engaging in abusive practices. The fans, who happen to be paid customers, react to this and lash out at company representatives. Since whole gaming industry is riddled with poor management and questionable practices they do not have any mechanisms in place separating employees as people from getting ire directed at the company.
Saying criticism must stop is sticking your corporate heads in the sand. Customer criticism is there for a reason. It is yet another gaming industry failure that it happen to fall on specific individuals not involved in PR.
>>>Imagine somebody coming up to the counter of whatever supermarket you work at and start verbally abusing you for decissions made by some upper level management people.
When you are flipping burgers that are known to give people food poisoning, then yes, if I happen to eat one and get poisoned I will let you know what I think about your company and your burgers.
At the same time it wouldn't be directed at you as a person, rather you as a nearest representative of the company.
You are confusing interpersonal relationships with corporate relationships. Are you one of the "Corporations are people" market extremists? I hope not.
Fundamental issue here is Customers vs Corporations, and customers by virtue of payment, are entitled to any and all kind of abuse directed at these corporations. When abuse spills on unsuspecting employees of these corporations, well then it is a problem with corporate governance.