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Ballmer To Retire

Today Microsoft announced that CEO Steve Ballmer will be retiring within the next 12 months. He said, "There is never a perfect time for this type of transition, but now is the right time. ... My original thoughts on timing would have had my retirement happen in the middle of our company’s transformation to a devices and services company. We need a CEO who will be here longer term for this new direction." Ballmer, 57, has been Microsoft's CEO since taking over the role from Bill Gates in January, 2000. The company's board of directors has formed a committee to find a replacement for Ballmer, and he will continue his duties until a new CEO is found. Questions about Ballmer's fitness to remain CEO have been circulating for the past several years, particularly after the company struggled to get a foothold in the mobile market. It will be interesting to see how this affects Microsoft's stock price. Upon retirement, Ballmer will be able to cash out hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Microsoft stock.

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  1. In the next 12 months... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    He can't even retire properly, should have done so years ago.

    Chairs just won't fly around the same without him

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    1. Re:In the next 12 months... by Stuarticus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear that Dell are organising a 21 chair salute.

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    2. Re:In the next 12 months... by NeoTron · · Score: 5, Funny

      The next guy will throw developers at chairs.

    3. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn that Ballmer, now there are TWO things I have in common with him. My name, and now he's announcing his retirement next year. Damn it, I retire in February!

    4. Re:In the next 12 months... by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      *golf clap*

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    5. Re:In the next 12 months... by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      He needs 12 months because his retirement is behind schedule. And of course, just days after his retirement, he will have to download all the new retirement patches and Retirement Service Pack 2.0.

    6. Re:In the next 12 months... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Seriously. This guy needs to be spending more time unwinding on the golf course, throwing golf clubs at people.

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    7. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      will he come from Soviet Russia ?

    8. Re:In the next 12 months... by polyp2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was thinking that in response to the Steve Jobs crowdfunding initiative to build a sculpture - perhaps we could celebrate this by crowdfunding a giant statue of Ballmer flinging a chair!

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    9. Re:In the next 12 months... by KernelMuncher · · Score: 4, Funny

      Better yet a giant statue of Ballmer with chairs all around it that people can pick up and fling at it

    10. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the "In Russia, Chairs get thrown at developers"? or vice versa?

    11. Re:In the next 12 months... by Nyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      He can't even retire properly, should have done so years ago.

      Chairs just won't fly around the same without him

      Hope they tell him not to let the chair hit him on the way out.

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    12. Re:In the next 12 months... by Horshu · · Score: 1

      Or from a different perspective, Slashdotters will even complain about MS when Ballmer *does* retire.

    13. Re:In the next 12 months... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Queue up love for Ballmer comments. In true slashdot fashion we will pine away about how great it was under Ballmer several years from now.

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    14. Re:In the next 12 months... by Alsee · · Score: 2

      It will be interesting to see how this affects Microsoft's stock price.

      They'll go flying... like a chair through Windows.

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    15. Re:In the next 12 months... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      will he come from Soviet Russia ?

      He will come from Springfield in the state of $#$$$#)))(*$#*(#%%nd the next version with be HomerOS and run on the Homer XXL tablet.

      edited 08/23/2013 09:04 AM whoa, weird transmission glitch right in the middle there.

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    16. Re: In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest a face-off! No one will notice if you how a lot of chairs.

    17. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next guy will throw developers at chairs.

      So... They're getting someone from Soviet Russia?

    18. Re:In the next 12 months... by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

      Investors voice their opinion when a CEx quits, usually by selling. m$ stock went up, maybe more investers are favoring Linux?

    19. Re:In the next 12 months... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      I was thinking that in response to the Steve Jobs crowdfunding initiative to build a sculpture - perhaps we could celebrate this by crowdfunding a giant statue of Ballmer flinging a chair!

      Flinging a chair while jumping a shark, would be more fitting, to be blunt.

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    20. Re:In the next 12 months... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Ballmer will retire when chairs fly.... wait, that doesn't work. I got nuthin.

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    21. Re:In the next 12 months... by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

      I heard the makers of Right Guard deodorant will have a 21 Can Salute.

    22. Re:In the next 12 months... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Up more than 6% at the moment.

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    23. Re:In the next 12 months... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Investors voice their opinion when a CEx quits, usually by selling. m$ stock went up, maybe more investers are favoring Linux?

      It's about the most visible slap in the face to a CEO one can imagine - In one voice, from those who matter most to him it says, "We're glad you are leaving, please make it soon."

      It may be lonely at the top, but this makes it humiliating, as well.

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    24. Re:In the next 12 months... by auld_wyrm · · Score: 1

      Flinging a giant chair AT Steve Jobs? I'd consider pitching in on that.

    25. Re:In the next 12 months... by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      There are three reasons to retire. a) Health b) a better offer elsewhere (business or personal life) c) Get out and let someone else take the blame for the debaucle with the W8 and smart whatever device or devices. (More are surely in the planning).

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    26. Re:In the next 12 months... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You misspelled Illinois. The picture at that link is the last guy to run our power plant. Maybe he's taking over Microsoft?

      This guy was our last mayor (he's dead, shot himself). Recognize those two guys?

    27. Re:In the next 12 months... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Up more than 6% at the moment.

      Drop from 10% up, typical profit taking. Probably Bill unloading a chunk.. more money to combat malaria and such

      "Steve, could you do that again next week, the announcing your impending retirement?"

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    28. Re:In the next 12 months... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      perhaps we could celebrate this by crowdfunding a giant statue of Ballmer flinging a chair!

      I woodburned Ballmer's name into my desktop trebuchet that fires doll-house chairs any where within my office.

      Crowdfund "Chairman Ballmer" trebuchet kits, you could be a millionaire.

    29. Re:In the next 12 months... by leaen · · Score: 2

      He can't even retire properly, should have done so years ago.

      Newsflash. Hour ago boards of directors announced that he will be replaced by much more energetic person Stephen Elop.

    30. Re:In the next 12 months... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Funny my ass, that is 100% insightful! Look at his record folks...Vista, Zune, pushing out the X360 with a 2 billion plus flaw, killing the profitable playsforesure for the DOA Apple ripoff Zune market, Sidekick, Kin, ignoring a year's worth of beta testers and reviewers pointing out it sucks to shit out the "Oh Hai I'm a cellphone LULZ" Win 8, spending way too damned much money buying an ad company because...well Google is an ad company, right? Doing the same for yahoo search and damned near buying the whole company, I could go on and on and on with the only positive being Win 7/2K8 which if rumors are true he was too busy squirting with his poo brown Zune to care.

      Look at the growth of Apple and Google in just the last 5 years and then look at MSFT with Ballmer shitting billions away with zero ROI and its not hard to see he was MSFT's version of the Pepsi guy at Apple, he was a PHB middle manager that just happened to be Gates little buddy and thus ended up WAY over his head and thrust into a job he simply wasn't capable of doing. You could have made a better ROI at MSFT by hiring a chimp to throw poo at the financial section and buying stocks based on where the poo stuck.

      And the worst part? You KNOW why he is waiting 12 months, its so he can get the last laugh and ram through "Windows Goatse" AKA Windows 8.1 because he is so damned deluded he thinks that it will vindicate his "vision" instead of going over as well as a loud pants ripper in a crowded elevator. When folks go "They brought back the start button!" only to click on it and find out its a Goatse that takes them straight to the Metro they are trying to get the fuck away from its gonna bomb HARD and will be the first MSFT double flop, mark my words. I have found out first hand all the band aids like ClassicShell and Start8 won't fix the bullet wounds that are swipe gestures and "Charms Bar" pop up garbage (yeah about as charming as a punch in the scrotum) and from what I've seen Win 8.1 is even worse, not fixing a single problem Joe User had but instead adding even more? Well I don't know a more perfect end to a pathetic career, Ballmer will go out on a billion dollar failure just as he came in on the failure of WinME.

      Sorry about the length but I feel like singing "ding dong the bitch is dead" because I have been waiting years for this to happen, now let us hope to FSM they get a CEO with a functional brain as it really wouldn't be hard to fix what ails MSFT. Return Windows to the Win 7 desktop model with Metro a strictly OPTIONAL shell for tablets, spin off mobile so they can sink or swim without dragging the name Windows into it, and focus instead of on "one device to poorly rule them all" and appstore crapstores on a mantra of "its just HAS to work and be easy" so that every product in their line is beyond simple to use with the others and then they'll be back on the right track. If they replace Ballmer with another bozo they might as well close their doors and give the money back to the shareholders, the death of Win 7 in 2020 will also be the EOL of MSFT.

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    31. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XFCE on Windows 8.1 FTW!

    32. Re:In the next 12 months... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would say they have spent the past few years burning their bridges more than the one giant fail that is a shark jump. it would be like you heard the next town over has incredible mansions and great jobs that pay a fortune...so you take a torch to your home and place of business without even bothering to see if the next town over will have you because "hey how could anybody resist me, didn't you hear I was a star 10 years ago?".

      MSFT had 3 golden geese that consistently brought in good money, they may not have set the world on fire but they still brought in piles of cash, and that was Windows desktop, server, and MS Office...so what has Ballmer crapped all over these past few years because the press is going "Mobile mobile mobile ZOMFG CELLPHONES!"? Why Windows desktop, server, and MS Office of course! It takes a special kind of hubris and arrogance to ignore every single bit of data and metric you are shown yet that is EXACTLY what Ballmer has done over and over AND OVER. From everybody pointing out the Zune was big, bulky, and offered nothing over the iPod to Win 8 not working worth a shit except on the teeny tiny niche that is Windows tablets and touchscreen laptops, it didn't matter how many screamed "THIS FUCKING SUCKS!" Ballmer just gave them the finger while sticking out his tongue, thinking that just sticking a WinFlag on something was enough to make it a hit.

      If there is anything we should take away from the Ballmer years it is this, focusing only on what Wall Street cares about while ignoring your customers is a recipe for massive failure, that all the advertising in the world isn't gonna make people buy something they can't fucking stand, all you are doing is pissing money down the drain. By remaining myopic in his focus on making MSFT into Apple Steve Ballmer threw out every strength they had and thought that advertising and name recognition alone could push through changes that benefited ONLY MSFT while giving the person buying the product the finger. The lesson the next CEO should take from this is that you can put sprinkles and glitter and make videos of people dancing with a pile of fresh poo but that ain't gonna make people suddenly want to go out and buy poo, you have to offer them something they actually want to buy.

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    33. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the most hilarious thing I've read today. /thread win.

    34. Re:In the next 12 months... by Shark · · Score: 1

      Good strategy though! If his stock is worth 15% more when he sells it because investors are glad to see him leave, he essentially improved his parting bonus by doing a rotten job the last few years.

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    35. Re:In the next 12 months... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Funny

      From throwing chairs to rocking them.

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    36. Re:In the next 12 months... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Up 7 1/4% at the moment. No more fitting comment possible on this clown. But truth be told, I will miss him, he was just the perfect thug to abuse Microsoft in the way it so richly deserves. Though I wonder where they will find another like him, I have no doubt that they will. Karma you see.

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    37. Re:In the next 12 months... by tristes_tigres · · Score: 2

      Developers! Developers! Developers!
      Developers?

    38. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not depart today so he can enjoy Labor Day weekend!

    39. Re:In the next 12 months... by snakeplissken · · Score: 1

      perhaps we could celebrate this by crowdfunding a giant statue of Ballmer flinging a chair!

      five miles high with the chair held up by art?

    40. Re:In the next 12 months... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Up 7 1/4% at the moment. No more fitting comment possible on this clown. But truth be told, I will miss him, he was just the perfect thug to abuse Microsoft in the way it so richly deserves. Though I wonder where they will find another like him, I have no doubt that they will. Karma you see.

      Meg Whitman. I have foreseen it.

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    41. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems the only thing Microsoft was able to copy from Apple was snobbishness and pricing. The actual products are nothing to write home about.

    42. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well he has hundreds of millions of dollars to keep him company. I'll take lonely and humiliated for never having to work another fucking day in my life on anything but what I want to do.

    43. Re:In the next 12 months... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      For a moment there, I saw Meg Whitman and thought Carly Fiorina, and wanted some of what you were smoking.

      Then I read it again and started thinking about it, and yeah, that sounds like a great idea. She could sell off the various divisions on eBay.

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    44. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That quote about Ballmer's biggest regret being Vista is telling. He is sad they took 5 years to release a new OS version because, never mind that both Vista and 8 were bad for users, never mind that users enjoyed relative OS stability and money savings by sticking with XP during that period, it's all about the lack of upgrade income for MS during that dry period.

    45. Re:In the next 12 months... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Its 12 months now. In 2 days, it'll be 6 months. Another 2 days later, it'll be 1 week. A few days after that, it'll be 18 months.

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    46. Re:In the next 12 months... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      The stupid fucking thing is a leader WITH VISION wouldn't have had to give a rat's ass, because they would have been making money hand over fist by offering extras for sale!

      I mean imagine something as simple as a CC sized USB dongle that lets you log into your home PC from work and vice versa, using MSFT's server farm this would have been trivial to set up and would have sold a ton to the SMB crowd. Or how about instead of fucking killing Internet TV they had got in on that boat during the drought and signed deals with the major media companies to offer three tiers of video service as well as ala carte channels? Again with their massive server storage and bandwidth capacity they wouldn't have had a problem and would have had people lining up to hand them money.

      This is the difference between a good leader and a bad one, a good leader can spot opportunities and come up with ways to capitalize, a bad leader just looks at what other guys are doing and tries to rip it off. Put me in charge of MSFT and if I haven't doubled the stock price simply by making better fucking products that people want to buy they wouldn't owe me a cent, the opportunities with that company are insanely huge, you just need to focus on the strengths of the company. I'd kill that employee stacks bullshit and replace with a rewards system, you come up with a new product that makes us money? Then YOU get a cut, I'd have the employees killing themselves to make us great products, make metro a strictly OPTIONAL choice and NOT the default on any desktop or laptop, default would be Win 7 Aero, offer a program for those that for whatever reason want to stay on XP, you pay us enough? We'll keep patching it. This will not only make more people happy but we can also sell them service contracts...fuck i could go on all day with ways to make crazy money with that company, Ballmer just lacked vision.

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    47. Re:In the next 12 months... by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      I'm tipping my hat - yours is funnier than mine. :) But I can't give you points (since I posted).

    48. Re:In the next 12 months... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Ugh, why would they want to bolt on one of the buggy Linux shells when they have a damned nice one in Win 7 Aero? Simply bring back Aero instead of that flat tablet looking mess and make it default on desktop and laptops with the OPTION of using Metro, buy out ModernMix so that those that choose the desktop can use Metro apps without being dumped into metro without a warning, and split off the ARM division and change the name to "ModernPhone" or something so there won't be the confusion of the Windows name on something that won't run Windows x86 programs.

      See it really wouldn't be hard at all to fix what ails MSFT, but you need a leader that has been in the trenches and knows what folks want, not some bozo whose only contact with the public was back in the 3.x days.

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    49. Re:In the next 12 months... by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 1

      Actually no. If you look now the stock price is stable at almost the same level it was before the XBOX One announcement fiasco. So perhaps the market is thinking that these kinds of mistakes could be less likely in the future without Ballmer on board. *ducks*

    50. Re:In the next 12 months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Steve Jobs was so much cooler, hanging people out of windows until they agreed with him rather than throwing an actual chair.

    51. Re:In the next 12 months... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he's tired of the grind and just went back to drinking all day like he did in college. [shrug]

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    52. Re:In the next 12 months... by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I did not attend college with him, Drinking only makes a person obnoxious, and rarely diminishes his intellectual capacity with regards to business,

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  2. Good news for stockholders by neurovish · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...in response, Microsoft's stock jumps up 10%

    1. Re:Good news for stockholders by halfEvilTech · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually opened $2.78 up or about 8.7% so yea basically

    2. Re:Good news for stockholders by neurovish · · Score: 1

      ....I swear I didn't look up the stock quote before posting. Microsoft is really up 8.5% right now.

    3. Re:Good news for stockholders by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ....I swear I didn't look up the stock quote before posting. Microsoft is really up 8.5% right now.

      Good guess, but I think you mostly mirrored what a lot of people think -- that clearly Ballmer hasn't fully understood the market in some places, and that Microsoft has had some misses lately.

      Those are the kinds of things that, while not personally responsible for every detail, Ballmer as CEO gets to 'own' and take the blame for.

      Microsoft may or may not fare better without Ballmer, but if the market watchers are looking at things which could bring Microsoft out of these doldrums, then the perception that his departure could change is bound to lift the stock.

      Of course, this being the stock market, everybody is going to be buying and selling now based on what they think will be happening in 12 months or more from now -- and in 12 months, they'll be doing it based on something totally unrelated to this.

      I will be interested to see if the next CEO is so arrogantly out of touch with what people want, or will continue with the standard party line of "we can do no wrong and people really want these things" even when nobody is buying them.

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    4. Re:Good news for stockholders by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That and NASDAQ was down yesterday due to a computer glitch. Chances are investors are doing double time to get back.

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    5. Re:Good news for stockholders by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      But it looks like chair manufacturers' stocks have dropped 20%

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    6. Re:Good news for stockholders by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nasdaq had switched to Windows earlier in the day...

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    7. Re:Good news for stockholders by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the next CEO has a few big challenges on his hands. I'd highlight three in particular:

      First, he needs to get the company out of the mindset that has it still behaving as though it commands monopoly power. It doesn't, or at least, it doesn't in many of the markets where it now needs to compete. It found that out with with the XBox One launch, where it thought that it had the power to force customers to accept things they didn't want to, then was forced into an embarrassing U-turn when Sony offered a viable alternative. It is finding that out in the mobile and tablet marketplaces, which it came to as a late entrant and failed to provide reasons for people to switch. And it's about to find that out on the desktop, where the message coming through on Windows 8 is that even die-hard Windows users will bide their time and see what else comes along rather than making the shift to an operating system that forces unwanted changes onto them.

      Second, he needs to sort out communications. MS does have some good products. The Surface is by no means bad - but it was marketed via that whole incomrpehensible break dancing thing. The XBox One is turning into a decent product (thanks to the aforementioned U-Turns), but every time MS speaks about it, their message comes over as either an apology or a horribly mis-aimed pitch for TV services. MS needs to stop being afraid of selling its products on the basis of its features, rather than coming over like an embarrassing parent trying to be trendy at a teen disco. The obvious answer to the old "I'm a Mac, he's a PC" advertising slur was "yeah, Mac guy looks pretty, but he's actually useless. Look at what PC guy can do". They always seemed curiously afraid to go there.

      Thirdly, judging by the stories that come out of the company, the new CEO needs to sort out some of the staffing and corporate culture issues. MS increasingly looks and sounds like a public sector bureaucracy. Its stack-ranking system in particular is a cack-handed system that's been demonstrated to destroy morale and drive down performance wherever it's used. If MS doesn't want to reduce the size of its workforce, then it needs to adapt its organisation structures in such a way that they actually enable an organisation of that size to respond to new challenges flexibly. That probably means a lot more internal devolution (including over staffing issues).

    8. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Balsillie is available. He seemed to be in touch with the market.

    9. Re:Good news for stockholders by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which mean Ballmer made about a billion dollars. Joke's on us.

    10. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > The obvious answer to the old "I'm a Mac, he's a PC" advertising slur was "yeah, Mac guy looks pretty, but he's actually useless. Look at what PC guy can do". They always seemed curiously afraid to go there.

      I have to ask: what can the PC do that the Mac can't? That's probably why they didn't go there. You can even run MSOffice + Exchange integrated MS mail client on OSX.

      I agree with 1 and 3 though. And the part of 2 that mentions bad advertising.

    11. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are the kinds of things that, while not personally responsible for every detail, Ballmer as CEO gets to 'own' and take the blame for.

      True, it's the self-destructive culture of Microsoft that is responsible for Microsoft failing so much, but I'd say that a founder and CEO is responsible for the culture of the company.

    12. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, OK, employee #30, not a founder.

    13. Re:Good news for stockholders by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's stock jumps up 10%

      Interesting. But, what do people expect? How the new one will be chosen? At the time, Gates didn't want to be eclipsed too easily, and his Jobs complex helping, he had someone not-that-charismatic-(...) taking over as CEO. Maybe this time MS will finally benefit from a competent leader? Someone from outside, obviously.

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    14. Re: Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, office chair stocks are tanking.

    15. Re:Good news for stockholders by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

      Best chair joke so far :D

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    16. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but can anyone else really do any better with a company like Microsoft which has been living off the coat tails of the Windows OS for decades and now that bloated OS can't scale to small portable devices which is the future? They can strip everything which is considered "Windows" and run on smaller devices but then who wants it when there's iOS and Android with the app and dev backing they already have?

      Ballmer and Gates did the damage long ago when they kept bloating Windows and refused move it's development to something which could scale and be recognized in all sizes.

      I'm thinking of Slim Pickens riding the bomb down. It just not matter now who's riding it since it's path is set.

    17. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I also think they need to re-evaluate the entire ecosystem of consultants they use on a regular basis. It seems strange that there is an entire hidden workforce at MS that simply works on special projects, but is not actually employed by MSFT. I wonder how cost-effective it is for them to maintain that?

    18. Re:Good news for stockholders by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The big thing? Games...

      Apple's been culturally hostile to gaming for most of its history. And yet it remains a huge driver of home computer sales and platform choice - but it never so much as figures in MS's OS advertising.

    19. Re:Good news for stockholders by Starteck81 · · Score: 1

      The obvious answer to the old "I'm a Mac, he's a PC" advertising slur was "yeah, Mac guy looks pretty, but he's actually useless. Look at what PC guy can do". They always seemed curiously afraid to go there.

      I think you've missed a their most recent strategy/mission statements. The aren't focusing on what the PC can do anymore. They want to become a device/ cloud services company. They want to be more like Apple and Google, device and cloud strategy wise.

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    20. Re:Good news for stockholders by RaceProUK · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gaming's no longer a Windows stranglehold, not since Steam was ported to OSX and Linux. Windows is still #1 for games, but the gap is closing.

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    21. Re:Good news for stockholders by F34nor · · Score: 1

      I think all it needs to do is pay managers a bonus for how much smaller their code gets while maintaining backwards compatibility.

    22. Re:Good news for stockholders by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      ....I swear I didn't look up the stock quote before posting. Microsoft is really up 8.5% right now.

      If it weren't for Ballmer gainin $1 B on the jump, I think this would be the ultimate NO CONFIDENCE vote.

      Investors want to see the back of him and as soon as possible.

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    23. Re:Good news for stockholders by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      It's not all bad though - shares in champagne makers are up 20% :)

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    24. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The obvious answer to the old "I'm a Mac, he's a PC" advertising slur was "yeah, Mac guy looks pretty, but he's actually useless. Look at what PC guy can do". They always seemed curiously afraid to go there.

      You are correct: the root cause is fear.

      Microsoft can't give the customer the very best, most flexible products -- because Microsoft is afraid that the customer will use that
      flexibility against Microsoft.

      Examples:

      1: Artificial limitations = "Screw the customer, we need to make sure that one product doesn't cannibalize another".

      2: Metro = "Screw the customer, we need to make everything look like a mobile UI for our strategic marketing purposes".

      3: Locked-down RT bootloader = "Screw the customer, we need to prevent Android from being installed".

      Microsoft can't give the customer great products, because Microsoft has convinced itself that they can't afford to.

      Microsoft views the world from the perspective of power calculus -- that is: empowering the customer takes power away from Microsoft. Microsoft would rather keep the power than keep the customers. This is a common attitude shared by many in the publishing industry.

    25. Re:Good news for stockholders by RogueyWon · · Score: 2

      It's closing, but only very slowly. Check the number of Mac games on Steam and it's still tiny.

      If one or two big publishers were to say "we no longer target Windows as a platform, instead we target Steam, which means PC, Mac (plus Linux?)" that might change things.

      But publishers generally need a lot of convincing to do that kind of thing and Apple's attitude is such that they will never even put out the feelers.

    26. Re:Good news for stockholders by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the next CEO has a few big challenges on his hands. I'd highlight three in particular:

      First, he needs to get the company out of the mindset that has it still behaving as though it commands monopoly power. It doesn't, or at least, it doesn't in many of the markets where it now needs to compete. It found that out with with the XBox One launch, where it thought that it had the power to force customers to accept things they didn't want to, then was forced into an embarrassing U-turn when Sony offered a viable alternative. It is finding that out in the mobile and tablet marketplaces, which it came to as a late entrant and failed to provide reasons for people to switch. And it's about to find that out on the desktop, where the message coming through on Windows 8 is that even die-hard Windows users will bide their time and see what else comes along rather than making the shift to an operating system that forces unwanted changes onto them.

      Microsoft need to spin off XBox. They are an enterprise technology/consumer technology company and this foray into home entertainment is not within their core. Heck, why not buy a movie studio and a chain of fast food restaurants while they are at it. Sell it off, hold a stake in if they wish, but get their attention back to technology.

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    27. Re:Good news for stockholders by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      Yes, and the natural OS cycle probably just reinforces this fear. We've seen how difficult MS have found to prize a lot of users (including big corporate customers) off Win98/NT and WinXP. They're finding the same now with Win7.

      I suspect MS looks at this and thinks "the problem is that our product was too good". In reality, of course, the problem was that people don't really feel the need for a major OS overhaul all that often and that MS needed to be looking for new markets in between OS cycles.

    28. Re:Good news for stockholders by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

      well, we all say he was useless but... under his leadership Microsoft turned its revenues round dramatically. If you consider MS to be a boring corporate instead of a tech company, we'd probably have thought him a really good CEO.

      Sure the stock price went nowhere, but thats because a tech company needs to be at the forefront of technology to be seen to making future growth possible. It hasn't helped that he's managed to sell crap like sharepoint and other business tools to practically everyone and their dog.

      So maybe its just a communications issue and he should have said MS was a services company ages ago, but I think that would have gone down like a lead balloon with the nerdistia.

      Anyway, the next leader cannot be all the great guys that he sacked... Sinofsky? nope. Muglia.. nope.

      That leaves board members like Kevin Turner who was suggested as a truly terrible leader - more interested in the number of beans than anything technological. The kind of guy who would dump xbox for (rightly) being a money pit.

      So what's the chances he's going to get the job... I think quite high, he'll be the best thing for the IT industry as he completes the process of turning MS into IBM.

    29. Re:Good news for stockholders by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      The obvious response would have been to partner with a hardware manufacturer and make a line of mid- to high-end Windows laptops and desktop computers that look and feel almost exactly like Macbooks and iMacs.

      Customers want nice shiny products. If someone else is making a nicer shinier product; copy it. Most customers won't know or care that you stole the idea.

    30. Re:Good news for stockholders by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      Herman Miller (MLHR) is down about 1% today.

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    31. Re:Good news for stockholders by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The Surface is by no means bad - but it was marketed via that whole incomrpehensible break dancing thing.

      Breakdancing wasn't the problem. The problem is, who will buy a tablet for over $1000 in these days when even Apple, known for expensive hardware, is selling them for $330?

      Unless you're talking about the Windows RT tablet, and that one actually was bad, for various reasons.

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    32. Re:Good news for stockholders by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      A shrinking company is more profitable than a growing one - growth requires investment and taking risk. Microsoft's been a follower since day one, see what the other guy does then either copy and bundle or follow into their market years after they are established. Such a cautious, cynical approach. Small wonder Apple went from pounding on Death's Door with both fists to eclipsing Microsoft in terms of revenues, market cap and cash reserves. If six years ago people had told Steve Jobs where he could stuff his $600 iPhone then Microsoft would have been right to stay out of the mobile phone market, but when they finally did try to compete with iPhone it was years after the iPhone launch. The only risk they have taken is in not taking more risks.

      They'll still be profitable for years, but their glory days are receding into the past.

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    33. Re:Good news for stockholders by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      The obvious response would have been to partner with a hardware manufacturer and make a line of mid- to high-end Windows laptops and desktop computers that look and feel almost exactly like Macbooks and iMacs.

      Customers want nice shiny products. If someone else is making a nicer shinier product; copy it. Most customers won't know or care that you stole the idea.

      We saw this years ago when someone rolled out Ferrari branded laptops. I'm sure they are laughable by today's standards, but people bought the silly things.

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    34. Re:Good news for stockholders by gtall · · Score: 1

      The man is already worth about $15 Billion, if he cared about money he'd have left long ago.

    35. Re:Good news for stockholders by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's closing, but only very slowly. Check the number of Mac games on Steam and it's still tiny.

      If one or two big publishers were to say "we no longer target Windows as a platform, instead we target Steam, which means PC, Mac (plus Linux?)" that might change things.

      But publishers generally need a lot of convincing to do that kind of thing and Apple's attitude is such that they will never even put out the feelers.

      No, gaming is moving away from computers, period. Mostly due to high piracy rates. It's also helped by Apple's more... favorable stance towards gaming (Jobs was not a fan of games, and in fact, wanted to ban games from the Mac way back in 1984).

      Thing is, gaming's moved on. The PC had high piracy rates and extreme avoidance of DRM, so AAA publishers started moving towards consoles (which were getting more powerful at the time that it was doable).

      Then Apple opened the App Store, which despite its approval requirements, thousands of indie devs flocked there and made mobile gaming a huge thing. In fact, a casualty of this was the casual arcade - a $2B industry in 2007, which collapsed to a mere $300M in 2008. These were from arcade machines that were put in places like a Laundromat and such and were played while people waited. In 2008, with the release of the App Store, people were gaming on their phones instead of putting quarters in the machine.

      Sure we all mock how mobile games are crap (like anything, 90% of it IS crap), but it's a powerful force - how indie devs have prospered on the PC, and now iOS and Android. And the platforms have shifted too - fewer games are Windows-only and use of cross platform (iOS/Android/Windows/OS X/Linux/etc) tools have made most indie games available on at least three platforms - either Windows/iOS/Android, or Windows/OS X/Linux.

      Gaming on Windows is mostly due to it "just being there" - we're talking desktop OS with 90+% marketshare. But a number of hours spent playing is taken up on iOS and Android as well. And AAA titles are more or less mostly on consoles now - few PC only devs exist (Valve, Blizzard being most prominent, but Valve now makes for OS X and Linux, and Blizzard is going to consoles).

      Windows' days as a gaming platform are heavily numbered - most games are available on other platforms or even completely platform independent (browser based gaming).

    36. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been making money on MS call options for a while now because of the flat stock performance. For the first time in years, MS stock increases in value; and I get zero return. Thanks Steve.

    37. Re: Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really. Some co-workers have already decided a after work party. Good bye fuk nut

    38. Re:Good news for stockholders by khallow · · Score: 1

      Now would be a good time to buy some 2015 puts. It won't be all roses just because Ballmer gets (maybe) out of the way. You still have the fundamental problem that Microsoft is an Office and Windows company in a world that doesn't need either.

    39. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gaming's no longer a Windows stranglehold

      It hasn't been since the NES. Unless you specifically mean PC gaming, which - yeah, sorry, Windows still rules with an iron chair.

      not since Steam was ported to OSX and Linux

      Which means little if games aren't ported. I have one game in my Steam library that is capable of being played under OS X, for example.

      Fanboys can fanboy all they want, but as of now - Steam is nothing more than Transgaming/Loki/whatever other futile attempts have been made in the past.

      With any luck, that will change. But it's going to take a hell of a lot of doing.

      Windows is still #1 for games, but the gap is closing.

      Not with any speed that should worry anybody at Microsoft, especially since Ballmer's ouster will almost certainly mean Windows will stop hemmorrhaging users. If Microsoft stops the bleed, OS X marketshare isn't going to grow, and games will not be forthcoming.

      Linux might be a bit more complex, pending success or failure of the mythical Steam Box.

    40. Re:Good news for stockholders by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      The obvious answer to the old "I'm a Mac, he's a PC" advertising slur was "yeah, Mac guy looks pretty, but he's actually useless. Look at what PC guy can do".

      Tried that. Meh.

    41. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ballmer didn't operate in a vacuum. If they promote someone from within, it'll be business as usual. If they hire from outside, the outsider will be sabotoged from within if it's anything else but business as usual.

      Microsoft makes money hand over fist. It's stupid to risk that with a real 'bet the company' move. They'll just continue to rake in huge profits for the next 15 years and after that who cares?

    42. Re:Good news for stockholders by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, most traders on Wallstreet are only interested in the next five minutes.

    43. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except M$ is an index fund, which means its good for the entire tech market.

    44. Re:Good news for stockholders by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      How is the joke on us? Ballmer's personal wealth means nothing to me.

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    45. Re:Good news for stockholders by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      This was at the height of the Mortgage boom. I knew more then one mortgage broker who had one. The Ferrari sound when starting it was kind of cool

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    46. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chances are investors are doing double time to get back.

      I hope I'm not alone when I say, "Huh?"

    47. Re:Good news for stockholders by VorpalRodent · · Score: 1

      I will be interested to see if the next CEO is so arrogantly out of touch with what people want, or will continue with the standard party line of "we can do no wrong and people really want these things" even when nobody is buying them.

      Just so we're clear - the only choices for a successor are those who are either misguided or ignorant?

      What about other wholly valid choices, like malicious, insane, or sadistic? I mean, I understand that "brilliant grasp of what consumers desire and need" is probably right out, but we shouldn't limit the field where unsuitable choices are concerned.

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    48. Re:Good news for stockholders by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Disagree very strongly here. PC gaming is in a much better place than it was a few years ago. Back then, it was a toss-up as to whether the PC got a port of major multi-platform console games and, if it did, it usually got the crappy port. For the last 12 months or so, the PC has been the primary platform for most releases. The piracy rates and DRM-avoidance thing is a rather tired straw-man. PC gamers accept Steam DRM. Developers mostly live with the fact that somebody really determined can break Steam DRM.

      The next-gen console may shift the balance back to the consoles. That's what usually happens early in a console cycle. If so, it will be a temporary thing (just as the current console decline is probably a temporary thing).

      The App Store looked potent a couple of years ago, but it's losing momentum as a gaming platform - largely because of diminishing returns on IAP laden pay-to-win games. The bubble on those has already burst - Zynga and the other companies which rode the crest of it are now going to the wall.

      PC gaming has been "dying" ever since I first started playing PC games myself in 1990. It's no more dying now than it was then.

    49. Re:Good news for stockholders by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Meh, I've seen exactly one game in the last decade that looked interesting but was only available on consoles. Consoles can keep their crap games so far as I'm concerned. Phone and tablet games are even worse.

      The real big reason that we might actually see PC gaming diminish significantly is that with the proliferation of tablets and smart phones fewer people feel the need to own a personal computer, regardless of operating system. PC sales have been dropping because we hit a technological point that for most users there is no driving reason to upgrade fequently. Hell I spend a ridiculous amount of time playing computer games and even I don't upgrade until something breaks or new games won't run properly even on lower settings.

    50. Re:Good news for stockholders by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      Their current marketing campaign is mac vs. pc, look what we can do in the tablet space.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE7AQY5Xk9w
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86JMcy5OqZA
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UGxKX6IU1U

      etc, etc, etc.

    51. Re:Good news for stockholders by Guppy · · Score: 1

      MS does have some good products.

      Yeah, love their Optical Mouse devices. Too bad about the rest of their product portfolio.

    52. Re:Good news for stockholders by rainhill · · Score: 1

      why is this funny? parent is dead serious. /. seem to be filled with monkeys lately.

    53. Re:Good news for stockholders by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      The obvious answer to the old "I'm a Mac, he's a PC" advertising slur was "yeah, Mac guy looks pretty, but he's actually useless. Look at what PC guy can do". They always seemed curiously afraid to go there.

      Probably because this "obvious answer" hasn't been accurate in probably 5-10 years. It used to be en vogue to mock how useless a Mac was, until people actually started using them. Now the argument, "look what the PC guy can do" is actually kind of a joke for millennials (and even some of us Gen X'ers) who understand productivity is no longer measured by number of spreadsheet rows or PowerPoint slides.

    54. Re:Good news for stockholders by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      But Microsoft has a long history of doing this. I think the business tactic of "wait for Apple, then do that" has grown long in the tooth for the MS faithful, and they are really bad at copying otherwise good technologies.

      The other problem MS has is they have low standards...they don't get what makes teh shiny desirable. Their version of teh shiny is zune brown and WinXP Fisher Price interfaces. "Close Enough" should be their corporate byline.

    55. Re:Good news for stockholders by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      These ads only further the notion that MS doesn't get it. Only geeks care about sd cards and number of USB ports. People don't care about buzzwords like "multitasking". People don't buy iPads to create PowerPoint slides. People DO play chopsticks on their iPad. It really isn't that difficult. Keep your head in the past then wonder why nobody is buying your products...

    56. Re:Good news for stockholders by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What about other wholly valid choices, like malicious, insane, or sadistic?

      I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that, as CEO, he actually did intend to make the company do better.

      If someone truly wanted to put a company like Microsoft into the shitter, it's do-able, but takes a lot of effort. And you have to assume there are other people around who would be trying to stop it.

      So, to me at least, it comes down to if Microsoft going forward is going to be capable of truly understanding what aspects of successful products people want, and actually being able to execute on delivering that. In the past, Microsoft has usually missed the boat on the execution and kept coming back to "Office + Outlook" as the entire purpose behind computers.

      It's like when the first iMacs came out -- people rushed to put Windows machines in lovely candy colored cases, but underneath was the same old crashy turd. It wasn't just the bright colored cases that made it successful, it was the actual user experience.

      If you only copy the superficial stuff and think that's close enough, you may never actually understand why your product isn't doing as well -- because all you see is that you also have a tangerine colored case, and people clearly want tangerine colored cases, so why aren't they buying your tangerine colored case?

      If you don't realize that customers don't like the toxic fumes and broken glass in your product, you keep looking at the case. They're not just buying your competitor for the pretty case, but because they don't want the toxic fumes and broken glass you're giving them.

      And I think it's that where Microsoft has been missing the plot the last few years.

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    57. Re:Good news for stockholders by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      Not even remotely accurate. I've heard no shortage of complaining from friends and family about what a pain it is to try to share files between iPads. Furthermore, anyone that spends any time at all in a business setting can and will appreciate outlook and the office suite.

    58. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, the collapse of the arcade came long before anything Apple ever did. That market has been on the decline since the Dreamcast. Things started to decline when the home experience became on par with the arcade experience. The arcade didn't have the graphics market anymore; the same games being released were the same in the arcades, and big screen TVs started rapidly becoming the norm. Many of the arcade machines coming out after the Dreamcast were just pushing a beefed up Dreamcast, known as NAOMI.

      The market drop depicted in the post is just a snapshot of a much larger decline.

    59. Re:Good news for stockholders by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      How in the hell is this modded up? Wasn't nVidia just saying how high end part sales have been increasing, and we've been seeing more and more developers put in more work towards their PC version? Maybe Infinity Ward isnt lying and we do get CoD with much better graphics and dedicated servers this time around. Frostbite 3 engine looks fucking amazing... and it only looks that good on PC. The whole indie scene is thriving on PC right now. Please stop being one of the people chanting doom for PCs. Its been old since the 90s.

    60. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also Apple is going after gaming on OS X too if you look at the updates in Mavericks there's a lot of juicy stuff thrown in for game devs...besides already in the Mac App store there are quite a few AAA titles including with Retina support...

    61. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a correction - Blizzard have always released their games on both Mac and PC, and they once made games for consoles (we're talking 8-bit here). So in essence they're returning to a market they once left.

      The indie scene for PCs is booming however - almost certainly galvanised by the app boom but with services like GOG, Steam and Desura making it easy to reach potential buyers there's a real indie renaissance going on in PC gaming.

      You're spot on though if referring purely to established "AAA" developers.

    62. Re:Good news for stockholders by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Actually it's "dying" which is a word that certain type of nay-sayers use for "growing" faster than during the recent past, mainly because of consoles losing ground with generation change. Right now, if you want gaming, PC is where decent money can be made.

      Pretty much everyone who thinks it's dead should just be shown star citizen or similar projects. People are willing to pay tens of millions while the game is still on the drawing board. Piracy? So what?

    63. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, why not buy a movie studio

      Do you mean that so they would be more like Sony? There are many opportunities for alignment of the home computing and home entertainment markets (such as device integration). Hell, people started buying Apple computers again solely because of it's integration with a "home entertainment" device.

    64. Re:Good news for stockholders by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      MS has no new geographical markets. It's very mature and omnipresent. The only way to grow is to either expand into completely new markets product-wise which is what it tries to do with varying success rate (xbox, windows RT, zune etc).

      In markets largely under their control (desktop, office suites, etc) they can only grow by leeching more money from the customer.

    65. Re:Good news for stockholders by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      Yes, I suppose it is "dying" in the sense that we are all "dying" from the moment we are born.

      Sorry... it's late and I'm rather drunker than when I made my earlier posts.

    66. Re:Good news for stockholders by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Again, missing the point. People don't "need" outlook. They think they do, they buy an iPad, configure the mail tool to their exchange server, then forget they ever needed outlook in the first place. There's no point in arguing because if people really wanted to do Office stuff on their tablet devices, they wouldn't be buying millions of iPads. But they are, because they don't want to, which is the point Microsoft is missing.

    67. Re:Good news for stockholders by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Heck, why not buy a movie studio

      Do you mean that so they would be more like Sony? There are many opportunities for alignment of the home computing and home entertainment markets (such as device integration). Hell, people started buying Apple computers again solely because of it's integration with a "home entertainment" device.

      I think this is why they initially took a position with NBC as MSNBC, which is winding down. They couldn't figure out how to do anything with it.

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    68. Re:Good news for stockholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to Steam or GoG and look for PC games. Then try to convince me that they are dying.

      To be less snarky, PC game sales have moved almost entirely to the digital download model. It should help piracy rates too because Steam and GoG make games cheap enough that they aren't worth pirating for most people. It's simply not worth the hassle to pirate a game when you can get a 6 month old game for $20 or less on Steam.

    69. Re:Good news for stockholders by cartel1982 · · Score: 1

      I will say this for the app store: parents love it. There is very little on there that you wouldn't want your kids playing.

      If your kid has an XBOX, you have to really investigate what games they want to play, but with an iPad (kids fucking LOVE ipads) you can basically give them an iTunes allowance and stop paying attention.

      Sure, once the kids is 13 or 14 they're going to want to upgrade to Modern Warfare or whatever, but little kids are a giant part of the overall video game industry, and they're moving to the app store.

    70. Re:Good news for stockholders by RamiKro · · Score: 1

      It should matter. It's money that could have been put into R&D and quality engineering. Instead of innovation, we're now busying ourselves with deprecating a 15 years old bad OS in favor of a 30 years old antiquated OS.
      It's the technological and financial gap that we should have had between the west and the east.

      We stopped working an investing in improving cars. The Japanese automobile companies won.
      We stopped working an investing in improving medicine. The Indian generic pharmaceutical companies won.
      We stopped working an investing in improving computing. The Chinese companies won.

      Ballmer's personal wealth means everything to me: It's what's broken with the system of incentives. It's a manager that can't care enough about the future. It's money being bled out from coders salaries to management and marketing salaries.

    71. Re:Good news for stockholders by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 1

      You know how often the "PC gaming is dying" story has been told for the past 15 years orso? In fact, ever since the PC became a viable alternative to console gaming. Just because some companies are making a ton of money from mostly really bad mobile games doesn't put it under pressure either. PC sales have been down before, remember the dot com bubble crash? With tons of great indie games coming out and the PC basically turning into a console with Steam Big Picture as consoles have been turning into PC's I think the PC gaming market is in better shape than ever.

    72. Re:Good news for stockholders by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Between GOG.com and Steam and Humble Bundle, etc. I've spent more on games in the past 2-3 years than the previous 10. I think PC Gaming is in a real renaissance right now. Of course, I play mostly old-school stuff...

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    73. Re:Good news for stockholders by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Back when I was a CS student in the mid 80s, there was one guy who always used to brag about how long his programs were. I never understood why, but he's probably a director at Microsoft now.

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    74. Re:Good news for stockholders by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      What can you sell when everyone already owns your product... or at least pays for it? Maybe there's some deliberateness to the "every other version of Windows is horrible" stereotype... it's only become more pronounced lately.

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  3. Ballmer leaving. by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm so happy I could throw a chair!

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    1. Re:Ballmer leaving. by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that you Steven Sinofsky?

    2. Re:Ballmer leaving. by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Well, lets see if this will change anything. If history is any hint and Ballmer has his say he'll appoint a college-days crony. If they're smart they'll hire some one from Facebook, Twitter, some one from new media.

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    3. Re:Ballmer leaving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Ballmer leaving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, lets see if this will change anything. If history is any hint and Ballmer has his say he'll appoint a college-days crony. If they're smart they'll hire some one from Facebook, Twitter, some one from new media.

      I can help clear that up, having done my due diligence in reading the summary. It will be the board of directors who hires Ballmer's replacement, not Ballmer himself. So it appears Ballmer doesn't get a say in this.

    5. Re: Ballmer leaving. by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

      The untold story is that Balmer probably doesn't even get a say in his retirement plans, much less influincing the decision over his replacement. While I can't say this as fact, but the writing has been on the wall for ages and the stock owners have been generally unhappy with him.

    6. Re:Ballmer leaving. by RMingin · · Score: 1

      That's hilarious, that you think that would be a problem. Current corporate America is cronyism all the way down, Ballmer probably made lots of deals before announcing his retirement. For an unloved CEO, making deals to appoint your successor tied to your stepping down at the time and in the manner preferred by the board is not unusual. While Ballmer cannot simply name a successor and have it done, he can certainly steer the board and make deals to get the result he wants.

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      The preceding comment is my own, and in no way construes an opinon of the Emperor of Mankind.
    7. Re:Ballmer leaving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you call that due diligence, I have some stocks to recommend. Ballmer is, in fact, an investor and therefore he does, in fact, have a say.

    8. Re:Ballmer leaving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are right but you did not mention that he has a significant number of shares so quite likely has a significant say in the matter.

  4. Stock price... by Dins · · Score: 1

    It will be interesting to see how this affects Microsoft's stock price

    I would think it would have a positive affect on stock price...

    1. Re:Stock price... by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      +7.12%.

      Ballmer leaving is worth billions!

    2. Re:Stock price... by Dins · · Score: 1

      That's got to be pretty humiliating. Announcing your retirement and the business world rejoices... Not that he doesn't deserve it.

    3. Re:Stock price... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's got to be pretty humiliating. Announcing your retirement and the business world rejoices... Not that he doesn't deserve it.

      Yeah, he'll be huniliated all the way to the bank to collect the extra billion he has!

    4. Re:Stock price... by jon3k · · Score: 1

      He was already a billionaire. MSFT is also a tech index fund :)

  5. Replacing the dead wood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They should hire Steve, he'd be about as useful at this point.

  6. There is never a perfect time ... by DaveyJJ · · Score: 2

    "There is never a perfect time for this type of transition ..." Yes there is. Too bad it was five years ago.

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  7. Hurray for Microsoft by GrBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may be the best thing that's happened to Microsoft in a long time. Perhaps they will get their clarity back again. I can't help but wonder if there's a deeper story here though, like his abysmal performance causing a backlash to force him out 'gracefully'.

    1. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by spd_rcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Best news I've heard from a local employer in years !
      Now to see if it's not too late to save the company after he's driven off so many of their top, talented people.

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    2. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by fermion · · Score: 1
      Vista was more of a failure than ME. Surface RT has had to be placed in the remainder bin at fire sale prices, and even at the lower prices still needs massive advertising. MS has been in the smartphone biz as long as anyone and still cannot get a popular phone. The seemed to have lost of the xBox momentum by trying to leverage it produce increased profits. Sony made this mistake by trying to leverage playstation popularity to sell Blu ray, a strategy that worked but arguably hurt sales by increasing the price of the unit.

      Windows 8 has not been able to establish a value for business buying computers for worker drones, the core market.

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    3. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Well, I feel the best for Microsoft employees. I don't know any personally, but I can't image that it's been a Joy (pun intended) working for Microsoft the last few years.

      Hopefully they will get a new CEO who will listen to the voices of Microsoft's customers . . . and their employees.

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    4. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by yoshi_mon · · Score: 2

      And by clarity you mean their monopolistic practices that they were convicted of?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corporation

      But I don't expect much because winners write the history and I had to go down all the way to the Judgment section to see that term used. Convicted monopolist.

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    5. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually it is always the case when someone leaves especially when they are very active.
      "oh, uh, um, my sales are sore, PROMOTIONS. Also, I am stepping down, nothing to do with sales, sore back, yes that."

      I mean, look at that Don Twatrick guy, nobody in the history of ever, except from the absolute diehard fanboys, liked Xbox One.
      Even regular fanboys were for ditching it.
      "Yeah I found a new job guys, stepping down from Microsoft to go and join the wonderful people at.... Zynga. Hoooray." - Don, Halo: After Hours.

      Of course, Steve could just be firing himself for the sake of getting free cash and leaving the wreck of Microsoft to some other delusional person to take care of as it transitions to the one thing people DO NOT FUCKING WANT from Microsoft, hardware and services.
      Everyone can see the company is crashing hard. He just didn't want to admit it for so long. He finally gave up, it seems.

      Whoever takes over from him is going to need to be Jesus himself. Only he could pull a miracle out all 50 of his asses to fix Microsoft now.
      The transition to D&S's as a company at this abysmal time and with such abysmal sales is going to put one hell of a dent in the hood.

      It is finally happening guys. Year of the Linux desktop, coming to a timeframe near you!

    6. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Convicted monopolist.

      So is Intel, twice convicted on anti-trust charges in the United States and at least once that I can recall in the European Union.

      Anti-trust convictions are just a cost of doing business.

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    7. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      the BBC suggests so

      Mr Ballmer's planned departure comes shortly after activist investing fund ValueAct Capital Management took a small stake in the company, and started agitating for a change in strategy and a clear succession plan.

      Despite the recent criticism, the timing of his decision to go surprised analysts.

      "Yes, this was a surprise, especially considering how close it is to the recently announced strategic overhaul towards devices and services," said Sid Parakh, an analyst at McAdams Wright Ragen.

    8. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two months ago he was taking direct control of the Xbox division after the other guy left for Zynga. Now he's retiring before even seeing the product launch?

      I don't think there's any question that this is a forced retirement. I suspect the board wants him out precisely to get him out before he does (any further) permanent damage to the Xbox One's chances.

    9. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      What is with the repeated accusations of "abysmal performance"? Care to cite that with financial reasults? Oh, wait, reality does not match your claims. He has been absolutely CRUSHING it for shareholders almost his entire tenure. They continue to produce dividends quarter after quarter, and their profit has continued to grow at a VERY respectable pace for a company as mature as they are that has the market dominance they've had in their major markets.

    10. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by Threni · · Score: 1

      What, like war crimes are just part of running any reasonably sized country?

    11. Re:Hurray for Microsoft by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      No, only when they fight wars in an efficient manner.

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  8. I bet he's glad now... by Skiron · · Score: 1

    ... that he can use Ubuntu and google search, like all the other silver surfers.... WAIT. Well, maybe he isn't gray...

  9. Oblig. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    And nothing of value was lost.

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  10. my frosty ...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haha its about time the m$ boys and gurls had some good news
    congrats /. on this prompt story

  11. Surface by mitcheli · · Score: 1

    Would the recent cutting of price in the Surface be tied to the decision at all?

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    1. Re:Surface by geek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Failure of Windows 8
      Failure of Xbox One
      Failure of Vista
      Failure of the Kin
      Failure of the Zune
      Failure of Windows Phone 7
      Failure of Windows Phone 8
      Need I go on? You can only fuck up so many times before the board sends you packing. I'm amazed he lasted this long.

    2. Re:Surface by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Only amazed? It's literally unbelievable he has lasted this long.

      With Microsoft reduced in dominance by Ballmer's mismanagement the IT world is recovering nicely. Ballmer practically handed the server market to Linux.

    3. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U
      Ballmer laugs at iPhone

    4. Re:Surface by Saint+Gerbil · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its a bit harsh to say the Xbox One has failed sure its had some bad press and the flip flopping on policies that has followed.
      But its not out yet.
      And its still sold out nearly everywhere like the PS4.

      It would be fair to say it in 12 months time when he is leaving (whatever state it's in then)

    5. Re:Surface by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of this I would say isn't Microsoft's fault for the failures. But other disruptive technologies forcing them to move faster then a company its size.

      Apple in essence gave up Macs as their business model going to smaller devices.
      the iPod only really loss its dominance after other companies started making Smart Phones, there was never an iPod killer, the iPod killer with the iPhone.
      the iPhone in essence gave Apple a 2 year head start in the smart phone market, causing other companies to play catch-up including Microsoft. During this head start they were able to get a bunch of apps, and also push the iPad tablet market, giving an other year push.

      Microsoft was working on their own future plans, but was disrupted by Apple, and all its other competitors following suit.

      Microsoft is the Desktop Market. They were planning new and great things for the desktop, as seen with Windows 7, which really did shut Apple up in their I am a Mac and I am a PC adds. But their name is so connected to desktop it was a hard sell to reach out of it.

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    6. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's easy to cherry pick. Watch, I can do it too-

      Success of Windows 7
      Success of Windows Server
      Success of SQL Server
      Success of Azure
      Success of XBOX 360
      Success of XBOX Live
      Success of Office 365
      Success of Lync
      Success of SharePoint

      Looky here, my list is longer than yours.

    7. Re:Surface by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If you cannot move that fast then get out of the way.
      Half assed attempts later just lose money.

    8. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hUMA...

    9. Re:Surface by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Success of SharePoint?
      Really? I thought it was dieing out now that most had figured out it really cannot be managed by non-IT folks. Which is how they sold it. Office 365 is a little early to call a success and I bet it will be a long time before it is in the enterprise. Azure is again too early to call, but looks good. If MS could deal with losing a little bit of the desktop market all this stuff could have been much better. Sharepoint for example should not be such a PITA for folks not running windows and IE. That would have helped a lot. Windows Server is doing that now, finally coming around to headless operation and an ok if not great shell. All those things are not Windowsy but those markets demand it.

    10. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll continue to say that we have to stop thinking of Microsoft as some sort of technology / innovation superstar company.

      Bill Gates and company used luck, bullying tactics and copying to advance their products.
      If they hadn't lucked into the NT Kernel they would be a nothing company today because they had a crashy desktop and nothing of server quality.

      Their skills are in marketing and making money.

    11. Re:Surface by operagost · · Score: 1

      For those of us who used consistent, reliable, powerful command lines under OpenVMS and (mostly) intuitive GUIs under windows, moving to Linux is not a positive.

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    12. Re:Surface by tsa · · Score: 1

      Whoever thought of MS as some sort of technology/innovation superstar company? Most of their innovations failed (remember the stupid paperclip?) and the only thing that didn't fail (MS Office Outlook) was horribly unsafe for a long, long time.

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    13. Re:Surface by Enderandrew · · Score: 2

      Windows 7 (lost market share to Apple OS X)
      Windows Server (lost market share to Linux)
      SQL Server (lost market share to a variety of competitors)
      Azure (new product, but not market leader)
      XBox 360 (red ring of death and years of losses due to those hardware failures)
      XBox Live +1 here for a legit success
      Office 365 (jury is out)
      Lync (New name for communicator. Not sure that this makes MS extra money or is a real success. I don't know that this has mass adoption)
      SharePoint (I wouldn't remotely call this a success)

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    14. Re:Surface by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Office 365 is a little early to call a success

      That's alright. The Xbox One was counted as a failure and it hasn't even been released yet. Windows 8 was counted as a failure and it hasn't been out as long as Office 365 either.

    15. Re:Surface by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I totally agree.
      Windows 8 though will be a failure/lesser sold version like Vista. Businesses just don't upgrade that often and only now are they really getting everyone to 7.

    16. Re: Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The selling of *Office 365* sponsored by nSSaSS will be a tough selling.
      Even for the little people without nothing to hide that is informed.

    17. Re:Surface by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      Failure of Windows 8
      Failure of Xbox One
      Failure of Vista
      Failure of the Kin
      Failure of the Zune
      Failure of Windows Phone 7
      Failure of Windows Phone 8
      Need I go on? You can only fuck up so many times before the board sends you packing. I'm amazed he lasted this long.

      I agree that Ballmer needs to go; Microsoft does have some fundamental problems. However, I take issue with how you dismissive you are of the things on your list. That many of those products have struggled is due more to poor perception than actual lack of quality.

      Windows 8 may have it's issues but it's a legitimately good OS. Like it or not, it's been incredibly influential for user interface design. Notice that the flat look is in; so much so that even Apple has abandoned skeuomorphics in favor of the look. Windows 8's bigger problem is the persistent bad press.

      Xbox One one hasn't yet gone on sale so you have no basis for calling it a failure. The Xbox 360 has a been a huge success and there's no reason yet why the Xbox One wouldn't continue that trend.

      Vista wasn't great, but it did enable Windows 7. Certainly it's no worse than more recent versions of OSX.

      You can't blame the company for trying with the Kin or Zune. Apple's Newton was a flop too. And remember the iPhone before the iPhone we all know and love came out? The crappy thing made in partnership is Motorola? The Zune actually had some neat features and never got the appreciation it deserved. The whole parallax thing people have gushed over in iOS 7 was present on the Zune.

      Windows Phone 7 was a legitimately good OS and a huge improvement from Windows Mobile 6.5. It set the foundation for Windows Phone 8 which is an excellent OS which I'd argue is one of the best on the market. The fact that it's surpassed Blackberry in market share and continues to grow is a positive sign. In some countries it's got double digit market share and in a few cases is the #2 mobile OS. The numbers look pathetic compared to Android or iOS, but you've got to start somewhere.

      Ballmer leaving the company could be a very good thing, but I don't have a whole lot of confidence as far too many CEOs are rarely up to the task. Even at Apple, it's hard to argue Tim Cook is doing as good a job as Steve Jobs did. But like Microsoft, they've got quite a few years to go before it starts eating into the business in any significant way.

    18. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Failure of Xbox One

      Fair enough on the rest of them, but the XBone? Seriously? That hasn't even been RELEASED yet, and already it's set as a "failure"?

      Wow, that's even worse than the movie industry mentality of "if it doesn't make box office records opening weekend, it's a FAILURE!". This is calling a failure based solely on marketing bullshit months before a single consumer can have the device in their hands. Unbelievable. The internet's sunk below the levels of the movie industry when it comes to being drooling slaves to marketing.

    19. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well if we're going to get all nuanced now, let's go back to the original list.

      It's too early to call XB One a failure. It hasn't even launched.
      You can't call Windows Phone 8 a failure because despite where we were 10 years ago, Windows Phone started with 0 market share just a couple years ago. It has market momentum.
      And if we're talking about individual releases of products rather than the product as a whole- Office 2010 sold like water in the desert, the initial Kinect launch was huge.
      And I don't give a shit if SP is hard for you to manage in your environment. SP has sold very well. geek was making a case about failed launches of products as if successful launches haven't occurred. He willfully ignores all the data which does not reinforce his position.

    20. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple in essence gave up Macs as their business model going to smaller devices.

      Yeah, those macbook pros with retinas are such crap machines with lame screens... so lagging behind the current industry. I wonder what will happen to the Mac Pro though, that one doesn't have a retina display...

    21. Re:Surface by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      O yes you can say Xbox One failed hard as originally envisioned. All those DRM features were there for leveraging with content partners. They had to scale all those relationships back.

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    22. Re:Surface by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 2

      A lot of this I would say isn't Microsoft's fault for the failures.

      I'm not sure I'd forgive them for anything really, but one thing really stands out - it's Windows 8.

      Windows is MS's core product - the one thing they really don't want to screw up. They've already had a misstep with Vista, so they know how important it is right? And Windows 7 has been well received across the board and has proven itself to be a solid product - even here people don't really slag it off! And yet, unbelievably, MS still managed to screw this one up with Windows 8.

      Windows 8 seems to be the same solid OS that Windows 7 was, with further refinements/improvements. And then totally messed up with the Metro UI. And whilst I appreciate what they were *trying* to do by unifying their new and legacy interfaces, they should've realised it wasn't working before Win8 was released. And once they'd made that mistake, they should've better resolved it for 8.1 - but they've failed once again.

      So whilst I could go through the entire portfolio of train-wrecks, it seems unnecessary - just look at Windows 8 to see how MS almost seem to deliberately trip themselves up.

    23. Re:Surface by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Apple in essence gave up Macs as their [only] business model going to smaller devices.

      Fixed that for you. Apple still sells Macs and sales have declined like the PC market, but Apple hasn't stopped trying. Apple basically defined the ultrabook market so much that they no longer have a ultrabook, regular laptop, and pro categories anymore. Their ultrabook is their regular consumer laptop now.

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    24. Re:Surface by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      You should have gone from VMS to UNIX. Digital was only joking when they told VMS customers to use NT instead.

    25. Re:Surface by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Failure of Windows 8
      Failure of Xbox One
      Failure of Vista
      Failure of the Kin
      Failure of the Zune
      Failure of Windows Phone 7
      Failure of Windows Phone 8

      Ummmm, what the fuck is a Kin?

      [Checks Wikipedia Kin]
      Kin was a mobile phone from Microsoft, manufactured by Sharp Corporation...
      Microsoft invested two years and about US$1 billion developing the Kin platform.

      How the fuck do you spend a billion dollars, and and fail so hard that a geek's geek had to google the name?

      P.S.
      You can add Bing to the list of failures, considering that "google" is now an English language dictionary verb synonym for "search", and "Bing" is just an annoying sound that hasn't earned dollar #1 of profit.

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    26. Re:Surface by Maudib · · Score: 1

      Not sure I'd list Xbox One as a failure yet. Xbox has been pretty solid in general.

    27. Re:Surface by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Less than a year out and Win8 is already the most popular shipping PC OS. I'd take that "failure" any day. It's funny how you never hear about what a failure OSX has been.

    28. Re:Surface by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      So nobody then?*

      * You are on drugs if you think that the Windows GUI is intuitive in any way. I used to be a VMS System Manager and I don't mind telling you that VMS isn't all that consistent, either. .

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    29. Re:Surface by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Most companies consider any product that not only doesn't make money, but actually loses it to be a failure actually. You can't lose a dollar on every sale and make it up on volume.

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    30. Re:Surface by rainhill · · Score: 1

      if you try many ideas, you fail many times..

    31. Re:Surface by Rich0 · · Score: 1
    32. Re:Surface by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Er... Xbox One hasn't even launch yet, it is kind of premature to call it a failure.

      Tho I would agree from the sound of it a total clusterfsck. They have been back peddling like crazy. Should they continue along the course MS wants to rather than the course the consumer actually wants and it likely will end up as a failure.

    33. Re:Surface by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      ...

      I agree that Ballmer needs to go; Microsoft does have some fundamental problems. However, I take issue with how you dismissive you are of the things on your list. That many of those products have struggled is due more to poor perception than actual lack of quality.

      ...

      But that is the point where Ballmer most needed to do his job. It does not matter how many quality products the development departments churn out, the CEO has to see to it that they are effectively marketed. If they fail, it is all on him. So this does not excuse Ballmer in the slightest, instead it pinpoints where his performance was most sadly lacking.

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    34. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All those DRM features were there for leveraging with content partners.

      Yes, leverage with those content partners to bring the consumers the same features they get on other platforms, such as Steam, but with even more features that would be beneficial to the consumer of the service (e.g. you could have been logged into more than one device at the same time; you could sell your used digital games; you could lend your digital games to friends). Yes, digital licensing requires compromises with the content makers (how could you "lend" a digital game, otherwise), but really it seems that Microsoft went further to bat for the consumer than Valve did and they got shat on in the process.

      I for one (of the seemingly rare few) would still like to see those features that only with DRM-enabling could be provided, but perhaps it should have been done in a way where the user still has a choice. Something like: Physical games == disc based DRM only (already accepted by most). Digital games == online DRM with option for off-line mode if no games are lent out (already accepted by most).

      Disclaimer: Yes I am aware of GOG and fully support their efforts, but you are being obtuse if you do not recognize what all their games have in common, besides simply being DRM-free. Maybe Kickstarter will change this and allow AAA games to come to market without a publisher, but the world without video game publishers would also ensure that many great games will never see the light of day.

    35. Re:Surface by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      It remained to be seen what benefits this would have brought. First and foremost these moves were to please others, not consumers. I dont not trust a company that wont even allow multiple audio paths on its OS due to being in bed with content creators.

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    36. Re:Surface by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Very funny. Windows 8 is commonly credited for the current slump in the PC market.

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    37. Re:Surface by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      VMS had it's good points. References to Mrs Whiplash in the documentation, cool commands like 'ANAL ERR /SIN=YES'

      I used VMS too for a while but found UNIX to be far more flexible and consistent. VMS clustered wonderfully and even now I occasionally miss the file versioning.

      I never liked windows. It was always flaky and unreliable, even now it's not really enterprise quality.

    38. Re:Surface by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Ah yes. I agree with you completely. You also make a great point with regard to consistency. By allowing entry of only the minimum number of characters to make a command non-ambiguous, you had to accept that one person typing ANALYZE was just ANAL to someone else ;-)

      VMS was/is awesome, but calling it consistent? Like I said, the OP seems to be on some kind of hallucinatory drug :-)

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    39. Re:Surface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case you haven't been paying attention, "sold out" means something different to MS than it does to other companies. When it's MS, "sold out" means initial orders have been artificially capped. They are still going to produce the full stock, but only allow a fraction of it to be sold in advance, and when that cap is reached it's "sold out".

      The Surface "sold out", and a few months later there was $900 million of it taking up space in a warehouse. How did that happen I wonder?

    40. Re:Surface by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Not by serious analysts it isn't. The PC market was slumping well before Win8 shipped. The slump is effecting Macs too. The two main causes are the shift to tablets which have allowed people delay upgrading and the fact that the need to upgrade in general has fallen. A 5-6 year old laptop running Win7 still works just fine for most people.

    41. Re:Surface by cartel1982 · · Score: 1

      There's an alternate universe out there where Microsoft's string of failures post Windows XP lead to a BeOS takeover of the PC industry.

  12. CNN breaking news headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Microsoft says CEO Steve Ballmer will retire within 12 months. No successor named. Stock surges."

    Captcha: finally

    1. Re:CNN breaking news headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In other words, nobody is preferable to Ballmer. Some eulogy.

    2. Re:CNN breaking news headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Herman Miller (biggest office furniture manufacturer) is down right now, too.

  13. good news for stock holders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All the money that MS saves on broken chairs will go RIGHT TO YOU!

  14. Who is the Replacement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how many Windows 8 meetings where they in?

  15. Guess who he's going to support more now?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retirees, Retirees, Retirees!

    1. Re:Guess who he's going to support more now?? by mitcheli · · Score: 1

      +1 funny! :)

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  16. Oblig by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

    Will he celebrate by dancing for us again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

    1. Re:Oblig by gewalker · · Score: 1

      Probably not, be we can dance away. But Carroll probably said it best.

      One, two! One, two! And through and through
          The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
      He left it dead, and with its head
          He went galumphing back.

      "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
          Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
      O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
          He chortled in his joy.

    2. Re:Oblig by operagost · · Score: 1

      "Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!"

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  17. Still funny as hell by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    There is never a perfect time for this type of transition, but now is the right time.

    I love how he can state something as truth at the beginning of a sentence and then make a fool of himself by the end of it.

    1. Re:Still funny as hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There is never a perfect time for this type of transition, but now is the right time.

      I love how he can state something as truth at the beginning of a sentence and then make a fool of himself by the end of it.

      Don't perfect and right mean two different things in this context?

    2. Re:Still funny as hell by virg_mattes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see any disparity. "Right" in this context means "best" so it doesn't contradict "perfect".

      Virg

    3. Re:Still funny as hell by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Or not even "best" just "appropriate."

      Still, the fact that the opening of the sentence..

      There is never a perfect time for this type of transition

      What? Yes there is. You chose and groom a successor and slowly pawn off your responsibilities.

      Or you trust that the company that you've founded can do fine with out you. If you can't do that then the company you're leaving is fucked.

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      Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
    4. Re:Still funny as hell by avandesande · · Score: 4, Interesting
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      love is just extroverted narcissism
    5. Re:Still funny as hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like you're the only fool here. "Perfect" and "right" are not the same thing. Something can be right without being perfect.

    6. Re:Still funny as hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a programmer? Would explain why you can't distinguish between "perfect" and "right"

  18. Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by quarterbuck · · Score: 2

    The investors are so happy Ballmer is leaving that the stock is up 10%. Last time this happened was when Carly was fired from HP and the stock rose.
    It is funny that the value of MSFT with Ballmer in it is $20 Billion less than MSFT without Ballmer in it!

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    1. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by snsh · · Score: 1

      Please don't give them the idea of replacing Ballmer with Carly.

    2. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is funny that the value of MSFT with Ballmer in it is $20 Billion less than MSFT without Ballmer in it!

      Today, on the initial news, based on speculative market players making trades ... by next week the price of Microsoft will be fluctuating on some other random basis.

      I've always found the stock market to be amusing -- because it makes huge swings on things which haven't happened yet, and by the time those things happen they've moved on to being excited/angry about something else entirely.

      It's almost as if the stock market is more valuable at predicting the emotions of investors, than any actual financial factors. And in many cases, the actual financials don't seem important -- like when companies are worth more than they're going to earn for the next 20 years.

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    3. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why not?

      M$ needs to die, and she could probably finish the job Monkeyboy started.

    4. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given the direction that MS has been in for 5 years and the fact they are in such a hard sealed corporate bubble, hiring Carly (and Carly's mouth) would not be a very big surprise. She's got the ego the size of Africa and she's never right about anything. It seems an appropriate substitute for Ballmer.

    5. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by cusco · · Score: 1

      It's all speculation, IOW, a combination of gambling and herd behavior. The days when one purchased a stock, had a voice in the company's operations, and received dividends that were expected to eventually pay for the stock's purchase are long gone. Most stock issued today is non-voting and non-dividend stock, essentially a piece of paper that says, "I was dumb enough to give Company A the amount of $X and have received nothing in return and do not expect to ever get anything back from them." The only value of that piece of paper (or more likely that collection of electrons) is that someone else might pay you more money than you did for it. Why? I have no clue, except for the standard human compulsion for gambling.

      Now that stock has been issued and is in circulation every random breeze sets the automated programs on a low-level buy or sell, the speculators see movement and assume insider activity so start buying or selling, the automated programs see the activity and amplify the price swing, and eventually the stock ends up higher or lower than it was for no real reason at all. A good earnings report from the company will send up the price, even though those earnings don't make any dividends for the shareholder, because the 'common knowledge' that good earnings send share prices up is enshrined in the arbitrage programs and the herd instinct of the trading floor. Nothing to do with reality any more at all.

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
    6. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by knarf · · Score: 1

      It is funny that the value of MSFT with Ballmer in it is $20 Billion less than MSFT without Ballmer in it!

      Now I finally understand why so many failed suits get large sums of money to leave the companies they mismanaged. It is simply profitable to pay the 'bags to pack their bags.

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      --frank[at]unternet.org
    7. Re:Ballmer made $20 billion for investors today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy on the rumor, sell on the news. If you did that here then you pick up that 10% jump.

      At this point, the people who were just interested in speculating on the news have already closed their positions and people who were on the fence about whether to hold Microsoft, but didn't like Ballmer, have bought. There's really not a strong reason for this news to continue to affect the stock price at this point.

  19. What Microsoft needs by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is to just hire Sinofsky back and give him carte blanche to fire anyone and everyone who supported Ballmer as a job perk. With the chance to fire the woman who forced Metro on him as a job perk, they could probably get him more reasonable on the compensation package.

    1. Re:What Microsoft needs by asm2750 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would like to see Microsoft try to get Ray Ozzie back but, he seems more focused on his startup.

    2. Re:What Microsoft needs by geek · · Score: 1

      Sinofsky was the brain child for Windows 8. Hiring him back would be like hiring Gilbert Grape back to run the business.

    3. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you practice reading and realize that he started his reply in the thread title you home-schooled and half swallowed cumshot.

    4. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      WTF stupid moderators voted this "Interesting". What evidence that Win8 was hoisted on Sinofsky? He was in charge, and he even fucked up the launch. Or this is rewriting history the North Korean style.

    5. Re:What Microsoft needs by twmcneil · · Score: 1

      I really thought Ozzie was the perfect choice after MS bought Groove. He seemed to have a good grasp on what direction MS should take. Pity he didn't get the job a few years ago.

      --
      "The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
    6. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bring back Bill Gates!

    7. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly they might actually promote her....Julie Larson-Green ....Dear god I hope not.....

    8. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sinofsky was a Windows-centric douchebag who stifled anything that didn't fit in with Windows. Why the hell would anyone want him back?

    9. Re:What Microsoft needs by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      Bob Muglia - he turned the server and tools division from a cost centre that 'sold' stuff you had to give away in order to sell more copies of Windows, into the 3rd most profitable division.

      That he got sacked by Ballmer shows just how successful he was.

      Same with Sinofsky too. Either would have made better CEOs, maybe they'll come back.. but I doubt it. Microsoft is a services company now, they need a IBM-type guy now. Of course, if we're lucky, they'll get someone just like Fiorina :-)

    10. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a misogynist, btw.

    11. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear Meg Whitman is looking for a new gig. Seems like a perfect shoe-in to me.

    12. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is to just hire Sinofsky back and give him carte blanche to fire anyone and everyone who supported Ballmer as a job perk. With the chance to fire the woman who forced Metro on him as a job perk, they could probably get him more reasonable on the compensation package.

      Fuck. No. Sinofsky is the reason Win8 is a complete cluster. He hurt Microsoft at least as much as Ballmer by deciding that Win8 was going to be his own little adventure.

    13. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as we're suggesting... Stephen Elop. Nokia should be finished by then.

    14. Re:What Microsoft needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the guy who stubbornly opposed the Courier and early Windows Phone developments because they weren't "pure" Windows?
      The last thing they need is a narrow-minded bigot

  20. Top five reasons for Ballmer leaving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shareholders shareholders shareholders shareholders shareholders!

  21. two jokes come to mind by 605dave · · Score: 0

    Retirement! Retirement! Retirement!

    and

    Golf Monkey Boy, Golf!

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    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a difficult battle. - Plato
  22. I have the sudden urge to sing this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

  23. Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My prayers have been answered.

    1. Re:Truthful by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My prayers have been answered.

      How so? Do you have a lot of Microsoft stock or you just hate the IT world and want it to suffer more years of monopoly abuse?

    2. Re:Truthful by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You must live a sad lonely life, if you are just wasting your prayers on Balmer leaving.
      If you hate Microsoft so much Just install Linux or get a Mac, and stop worrying about it.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    3. Re:Truthful by dunezone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How so? Do you have a lot of Microsoft stock or you just hate the IT world and want it to suffer more years of monopoly abuse?

      Its amazing that people still talk about Microsoft being a monopoly. The boogeyman of the late 90's and early 2000's is long gone.

      Markets Microsoft currently controls:

      • Desktop Operating Systems
      • Office Suites

      Markets Microsoft currently fights for control:

      • Servers
      • Databases
      • Home Gaming

      Markets either Microsoft lost or cant put a dent into:

      • Web Browser
      • Mobile Operating Systems
      • Tablet Operating Systems

      The monopoly just doesn't exist anymore The government stepped in over the monopoly and forced their hand. So Microsoft entered markets that already existed and their products either flopped or fight for market share. The markets they did control like Web Browser saw increased competition and eventually Microsoft lost their grip which forced them to heavily improve Internet Explorer while continuing to lose market share. And the markets they still own they own because well the competition cant seem to put a dent into the market.

    4. Re:Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he loves Microsoft, and is therefore happy to see Ballmer go.

    5. Re:Truthful by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Informative

      As long as most printers and wireless cards and such are windows-only, as long as people send you docx files, as long as there are non-standard behaviors in MSIE that have to be tested for, as long as netflix uses silverlight... the windows monopoly still causes the linux user some annoyance in every day life.

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    6. Re:Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your an idiot. How is Netflix using Silverlight a monopoly issue. If Microsoft owned Netflix and it was using Silverlight it would be a monopoly issue. Netflix decided to use Silverlight, they were free to make that choice. I am sure they knew when they made it that it would not work well for Linux users. Apparently Netflix does not care about Linux users. Please explain to me how Netflix's actions are related to MS "monopoly"

      Oh so its because most people use windows and its for windows and MS owns both and if they didn't have a monopoly on PC's Netflix would have went with something else... that's a logical fail Netflix made the choice MS just made a platform and put it out there for use.

    7. Re:Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its amazing that people still talk about Microsoft being a monopoly. The boogeyman of the late 90's and early 2000's is long gone.

      I think that was 1s44c's point; he's saying Ballmer's mismanagement cause Microsoft to lose its monopoly power and so is "wondering" if the person he replied to wants to see its potential return to that position (as a result of Ballmer's exit).

    8. Re:Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, I get a lot more PDFs than DOCXs. Stupid Adobe with their stranglehold on web video (Flash), graphics editing (Photoshop), and documents (Acrobat).

    9. Re:Truthful by neurovish · · Score: 1

      I would consider adding "cloud" to the "fights for control" category. Azure seems to have a decent response from windows shops going the remote hosting route.

    10. Re:Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as long as there are non-standard behaviors in MSIE that have to be tested for

      Are you telling me that both Chrome and Firefox and Opera, none of these have ANY "non-standard" behaviors? You, sir, are a Fan Boi.

    11. Re:Truthful by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Its amazing that people still talk about Microsoft being a monopoly. The boogeyman of the late 90's and early 2000's is long gone.

      Markets Microsoft currently controls:

      • Desktop Operating Systems
      • Office Suites

      The monopoly just doesn't exist anymore.

      You just pointed out that the monopoly DOES still exist. The fact that Microsoft has not been able to abuse that power like they did under Gates is an indication not of them losing power, but Ballmer not understanding how to use it. Gates is absolutely vicious. He'll rip the throat out of a company while shaking hands at the same time. Ballmer is just a big doofus bully who's threats mean nothing. Under someone as power/money obsessed as Gates, Microsoft could very well go back to its old ways. They still have the desktop and office suites, as you pointed out, which means that they still control business.

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    12. Re:Truthful by HyperQuantum · · Score: 1

      As long as most printers and wireless cards and such are windows-only, as long as people send you docx files, as long as there are non-standard behaviors in MSIE that have to be tested for, as long as netflix uses silverlight... the windows monopoly still causes the linux user some annoyance in every day life.

      "some"???

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      I am not really here right now.
    13. Re: Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, monopoly abuse is not coming from Microsoft anymore; Ballmer has succeeded in making the company fairly irrelevant, in the consumer market especially.

      Google and Apple on the other hand- different story. (Talking as someone who had their app sitting in review with Apple for a year)

    14. Re:Truthful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good lord, I haven't SEEN a windows-only printer in a decade. Then again, I havent looked either. Everything I've seen with a network port on the side (seriously, who would use a non-network printer in this day-and-age?) works fine an every OS I've tried.

      Current versions of MSIE are fairly compliant, to the point that I have not seen any issues with any site sending valid HTML.

    15. Re:Truthful by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Netflix chooses technology based on what works for the majority of their potential customers, they choose Silverlight. Linux users suffer annoyance.

      It's really quite logical but you seem to be arguing against a point of view that Gavagai80 never expressed.

  24. Retirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retirement! Retirement! Retirement!

  25. By Retiring he made himself $1bn by TurinX · · Score: 1

    Owns 333.3m shares. Up $2.86 so far. Not too shabby a day at the office.

    1. Re:By Retiring he made himself $1bn by BonThomme · · Score: 2

      or especially one not at the office...

    2. Re:By Retiring he made himself $1bn by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So he should short it, then anounce tomorrow that he changed his mind and plans to stay on.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
  26. They are still screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this will help Microsoft stock for the short term... I still think they are screwed long-term. The "Devices and Services" market is already saturated by Apple, Google, and Samsung. Microsoft is too late to the party. If they wanted to sell more devices and used for more cloud-based services they should have followed standards in IE and open sourced their underlying kernel long ago, just like Apple did with Unix, Mozilla did with their browser, and Google did with Linux and Webkit.

    1. Re:They are still screwed by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not that Microsoft is 'late to the party', it's simply that they make bad products.

      Apple was late to the tablet party but ended up dominating it with pretty and functional products.

    2. Re:They are still screwed by neurovish · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not that Microsoft is 'late to the party', it's simply that they make bad products.

      Apple was late to the tablet party but ended up dominating it with pretty and functional products.

      As far as tablets go, Microsoft was there before Apple....they just did it wrong. It's kind of like Microsoft throws a party and nobody shows up. Then Apple throws a party, has the Rolling Stones there, and then everybody shows up. So Microsoft has another party with a Rolling Stones cover band and wonders why nobody is showing up.

      Every once in awhile they come out with something good, but it's a few years too late...take the latest Zune. Too bad everybody was using their phones to play mp3s by that time.

    3. Re:They are still screwed by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Lol. Microsoft comes up with 'Meh' over and over again. If 'Meh' is your product it doesn't matter if you are first, last, or both like Microsoft. Apple comes up with 'Wow! Cool! Shiny!' and people love it.

      Microsoft have not got it in them to transform into a company people will actually like. Their server market is being eaten away. Their user client market is being eaten away.

    4. Re:They are still screwed by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really Microsoft was pretty early to the "devices and services" party. How many years have there been Windows-branded phones. They made the XBox, and I think they own WebTV. They've had an embedded version of Windows for over 15 years. They've owned Hotmail for... I don't remember how long. They've been trying to capture the search and advertising markets for quite a while.

      To repeat, the problem isn't that Microsoft was 'late to the party'. They showed up right on time. They waltzed right in, acted like they owned the place, pissed in the punch bowl, and now a lot of people wish they'd leave.

    5. Re:They are still screwed by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      So by this reasoning the MS products that sell well must be great products.

    6. Re:They are still screwed by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      So by this reasoning the MS products that sell well must be great products.

      What I said neither argues for or against that statement.

    7. Re:They are still screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as tablets go, Microsoft was there before Apple....they just did it wrong.

      Was Microsoft into tablets before the Newton?

    8. Re:They are still screwed by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      So Microsoft has another party with a Rolling Stones cover band and wonders why nobody is showing up.

      I think that analogy sums up Microsoft's behaviour for the last decade better than anything else I've read.

      Microsoft is supposed to be a tech company but they've repeatedly shown that they just don't get it and haven't for a long while. As you say, they copy the industry leaders (late, and usually half-heartedly) and are genuinely mystified when success eludes them. They simply do not understand any market beyond Windows and Office.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
  27. Biggest Piece Of Tech News For The Year by assertation · · Score: 0

    Microsoft has been one of the most influential ( good or bad ) companies on tech and Ballmer has been one of the most influential people at Microsoft.

    This news is one of the biggest pieces of tech news for the year.

    1. Re:Biggest Piece Of Tech News For The Year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This news is one of the biggest pieces of tech news for the year.

      Except that it's anti-climactic. Everyone knew it was coming after Windows 8, Surface, and the fourteenth incarnation of Windows Phone bombed in the marketplace.

      Sinofsky's looking pretty good right now. He just got a gig with Andreesen Horowitz this week.

  28. Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I only hope he is replaced with someone as ineffective as he was. The last thing the world needs is an evil monopolist running Microsoft who actually knows what he is doing.

    1. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the better outcome would be if he were replaced by someone who turns Microsoft into a non-evil success company. I prefer a successful good to a failing evil.

    2. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, a bit of competition would be great. If you look at the state of play and the moment of things, we're heading for a duopoly with Apple making the clients and google providing the back end services.

    3. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly evil or not I'd like to see MS do a little better then they have been. Watching a former bully/tormentor get beaten up so easily just highlights how weak we all really are.

    4. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree... they're big enough to cause some damage on the way down if they continue the "we can be a little evil" route.

    5. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      I think the better outcome would be if he were replaced by someone who turns Microsoft into a non-evil success company. I prefer a successful good to a failing evil.

      Can I have a chocolate unicorn with a saddle bad full of 20 Zetabyte SSDs? I mean we are wishing for miracles here.

    6. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To use a sports analogy, you can't fire 90,000 employees.

      OTOH it's hard for 90,000 employees to break out into a spontaneous monkey dance.

      Oh wait...

    7. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the better outcome would be if he were replaced by someone who turns Microsoft into a non-evil success company. I prefer a successful good to a failing evil.

      It can happen. I was impressed at how IBM turned into a good guy by embracing FOSS.

      Microsoft could follow suit. If Microsoft is so focused on devices and services, then releasing their own Linux distro would be a natural place to start, since most existing devices and services run either Linux-derived or BSD-derived systems. Embracing FOSS would be a smart strategic decision, as well as being a nice way to begin the transition to being less evil.

    8. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the better outcome would be if he were replaced by someone who turns Microsoft into a non-evil success company. I prefer a successful good to a failing evil.

      Can I have a chocolate unicorn with a saddle bad full of 20 Zetabyte SSDs? I mean we are wishing for miracles here.

      I can see the advertising poster already: STUBBORN NERD CYNICISM: It's more self-fulfilling than rational thought!

      Replace the man in charge of the company? NOPE! Still the same Microsoft!

      Replace the middle managers and VPs of various divisions? NOPE! Still the same Microsoft!

      Replace the developers and testers? NOPE! Still the same Microsoft!

      Replace the corporate culture? NOPE! Still the same Microsoft!

      Fast forward 150 years where anyone who was even tangentially involved with Microsoft or any of their partners are long dead and buried? NOPE! Still the same Microsoft! Remember to teach your children how to hate!

      STUBBORN NERD CYNICISM: Because why should religions get to have all the fun of holding meaningless, baseless grudges for generations?

    9. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is done, all out of innovation, and not really relevant anymore. It would take a radical change of direction for them to start producing things that people would actually choose to buy with their own money. Sure it's not absolutely impossible for them to pull this off but it has a somewhat lower probability than a herd of chocolate unicorns being sighted in the vicinity of my house laden with high capacity solid state storage.

      The same kind of thing happened to sun.

    10. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fast forward 150 years

      There is no way in hell that Microsoft is still a company in a hundred and fifty years. I wouldn't bet even money on fifteen years.

    11. Re:Chair-monkey retires, stock up 9% by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Fast forward 150 years

      There is no way in hell that Microsoft is still a company in a hundred and fifty years. I wouldn't bet even money on fifteen years.

      It might be a small entry on the oracle website next to BerkleyDB. Due to inflation it might be worth the same dollar value as it has now.

  29. The Right Time Was Years Ago by EXTomar · · Score: 1

    Although it is fluffy marketing speak, the statement that "There is never a perfect time for this type of transition..." is funny because leaving before 2006 and Windows Vista would have been the best time for him to make an exit. A lot of scrambling after Vista seemed like wasted energy from misguided efforts that seem to come from the top down. At that point onwards Microsoft seemed to be off balance and felt like they were scrambling and groping from that on wards.

    The board should look out side the company for the top spot not because I believe they don't have any one internal who could do better than Ballmer but they really need to break with the past decisions and reboot.

    1. Re:The Right Time Was Years Ago by cusco · · Score: 1

      If they don't have anyone internal who is competent to replace Ballmer it's because they all quit in disgust with his management style. MS would be a much healthier company if the whole top two tiers of management followed Ballmer into the Stygian Pit and were replaced with people who weren't professional backstabbing politicians.

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
    2. Re:The Right Time Was Years Ago by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      Ah, the reboot, cure of all Microsoft-related problems

  30. As someone who'd like to see good competition, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just hope that Ballmer has nothing to do with the picking of his successor.

  31. Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Based on his overall personality, I strongly suspect that if Steve Ballmer hadn't just happened to be college buddies with BillG and Paul Allen, chances are pretty good he'd be selling used cars somewhere and enjoying the nearest football team. Instead, we're going to take him seriously for the rest of his natural life and possible beyond.

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    1. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree. Ballmer was went to Harvard College undergrad AND Stanford B School, where he DROPPED OUT to go to Microsoft which was a small startup at the time. It takes guts to drop out of Stanford B School and forego the degree, just like it took guts for Gates to drop out of Harvard. In between, Ballmer was a brand manager at Proctor and Gamble (considered one of the premier entry level jobs for MBAs) where he was a buddy of Jeff Immelt, who is now CEO of GE.

      I think Ballmer would've been a CEO in a major corporation eventually even if he had never gone to Microsoft.

    2. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought he'd be middle management at an insurance company without BG and PA.

    3. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Going to Harvard ITSELF is evidence of luck in life.

      You're either a legacy, you have money, or you're lucky to scholarship in. It's far cry from meritocracy.

    4. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won't, and haven't for some time, but the Wall Street Journal/Fox Business, Financial Times, Bloomberg, and lots of business and IT rags will, simply because he's still a significant shareholder of Microsoft shares and he was "the Leader".

      I can't wait to see his late-night infomercial on how to resell web services to your Facebook friends and family for massive profits and residuals, and if you call within the next 10 minutes, you'll get a free Surface RT and Windows 8 license.

    5. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by rwyoder · · Score: 1

      Based on his overall personality, I strongly suspect that if Steve Ballmer hadn't just happened to be college buddies with BillG and Paul Allen, chances are pretty good he'd be selling used cars somewhere and enjoying the nearest football team. Instead, we're going to take him seriously for the rest of his natural life and possible beyond.

      Exactly! I've long thought he is the perfect stereotype of the used-car salesman.

      And there was another CEO who only got his position due to being a roommate, and who's cluelessness helped totally sink his company: Scott McNealy.

    6. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by Hassman · · Score: 1

      Really? Insightful? Good job guys. I'm no fan of him either, but the blatant hate here is remarkable.

      1) Everyone to a certain extent is a victim (good or bad) of time and circumstance. Yeah, he was buddies with Bill and Paul. That helped. Friends always helps. How many jobs have you (collectively) had due to friends or networking? How many perks in life come from other people? How many people have benefited from being attached to Ballmer?

      2) Selling used cars? Really? Really? Do you know anything about this man? His upbringing? All the prep schools he attended? His 800 on the math section of his SAT? He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard with degrees in mathematics and economics. But you're right. He'd be a car salesman if not for Bill and Paul.

      You statement is a stupid. Take your hate elsewhere.

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    7. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by swb · · Score: 1

      He may not have been selling used cars, but would he have been in a senior leadership position at a giant software company based solely on his math SATs and his Harvard degrees?

      Relatively speaking, a lot of 800s have been awarded and Harvard has likely matriculated a number of math/econ grads.

      Maybe he would have become a mid-level guy at a big 6 accounting/consulting company bullying junior associates into working 80 hour weeks while taking mid-level clients out for overpriced steak dinners, cocktails and a trips to the strip club?

      Or would he have ended up the Math professor at a midwest lib arts college?

      It seems unlikely his individual qualifications would have automatically made him top leadership material.

    8. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by Hassman · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he would have founded a different company that succeeded, or not. Or maybe he would have fallen into oblivion and led a happy, quiet life somewhere with 2.5 kids and a dog...but probably not. His upbringing and education level means he will most likely succeed wherever he landed. Numbers game or not, the dude is smart. The dude had opportunity. Those two things probably means he would have succeeded here or elsewhere regardless.

      My point is, don't rag on a guy that you don't know. You really think you or the OP or anyone knows anything about this guy? No. He's a celebrity. You know what you know because of how you interpret your brief, non-face to face encounters with him, and how he is portrayed by others in social and media outlets.

      There is too much hate now-a-days. Everyone, chill the fuck out. Stop tearing him down for the sake of tearing him down or making yourself feel better.

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    9. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Based on his overall personality, I strongly suspect that if Steve Ballmer hadn't just happened to be college buddies with BillG and Paul Allen, chances are pretty good he'd be selling used cars somewhere and enjoying the nearest football team. Instead, we're going to take him seriously for the rest of his natural life and possible beyond.

      This'll bolster your "he'd be selling used cars" argument, *and* make it harder to take him seriously. Ballmer selling Windows v1

    10. Re:Ballmer is evidence of the role of luck in life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on his overall personality, I strongly suspect that if Steve Ballmer hadn't just happened to be college buddies with BillG and Paul Allen, chances are pretty good he'd be selling used cars somewhere and enjoying the nearest football team. Instead, we're going to take him seriously for the rest of his natural life and possible beyond.

      Yes, that's the New American Way. Marketing is truth, facts are lies.

  32. Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they dig Steve Jobs up and put him in charge now, he'd do a better job than Ballmer ever did!

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    1. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Informative

      He was a borderline mental patient who did everything he could to try and ruin Apple but his staff and board and engineers reined him back into reality so they could release sort of good products. I wouldn't put Steve Jobs in charge of walking my dog because somehow he'd find a way to overheat it and embed a non-removeable battery in it.

    2. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolol slashmydots, one of the finest Apple haters / Google fanboys. And modded up! Oh slashdot.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But your dog would look FABULOUS.

    4. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they dig Steve Jobs up and put him in charge now, he'd do a better job than Ballmer ever did!

      He was a borderline mental patient who did everything he could to try and ruin Apple but his staff and board and engineers reined him back into reality so they could release sort of good products. I wouldn't put Steve Jobs in charge of walking my dog because somehow he'd find a way to overheat it and embed a non-removeable battery in it.

      And this is a contradiction how?

    5. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by avandesande · · Score: 1

      You forgot about the proprietary dog food and having it's ears and tails rounded off....

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    6. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      RoundHoundRects?

      RoundRexts?

      There's a joke in there somewhere.

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    7. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like someone who has never actually been in the same room with Jobs, never presented project ideas or progress to him, and never interact with him in any way.

    8. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are from Bizarro-world? Because that is not very correct. (Non-removable batteries are also entering the Android sphere simply because making it removable adds bulk.) Do you generally call people with Aspberger's "borderline mental patient"?

    9. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      He was a borderline mental patient who did everything he could to try and ruin Apple but his staff and board and engineers reined him back into reality so they could release sort of good products. I wouldn't put Steve Jobs in charge of walking my dog because somehow he'd find a way to overheat it and embed a non-removeable battery in it.

      Take a look at Apple when Steve was there? Take a look at Applexwhen he was not? Any questions?

      It maybe hip to hate MS on slashdot but man an Apple world would be much scarier when MS was the ruler. I like Windows 7 and Offfice 2010 and find later IE releases now tollerable. MS no longer is the monoplist and is moving towards standards no. Very different when XP came along with just wmv wma IE 6 with its own javascript and MS css etc. Today Office is moving towards xml and IE with HTML 5. True the ms xml is more proprietary than opendoc and their html 5 uses different touch events but its not the same as the old days.

    10. Re:Steve Jobs Still A Better CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, when he left Apple with others in charge, it did so well. And when he came back, it tanked. Not.

  33. There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a perfect time for the transition:

    • Before Windows 8 was approved
    • Before Windows RT was approved
    • Before Windows Phone and Nokia was approved
    • Before Office 365 online was approved

    Avoiding those disastrous products would have made Microsoft billions, and those decisions were made by you, Ballmer.

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    1. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is that if Microsoft had no response to the tablet, phone and cloud boom they would be better off than they are now?

    2. Re:There *was* a perfect time by neurovish · · Score: 1

      There was a perfect time for the transition:

      • Before Windows 8 was approved
      • Before Windows RT was approved
      • Before Windows Phone and Nokia was approved
      • Before Office 365 online was approved

      Avoiding those disastrous products would have made Microsoft billions, and those decisions were made by you, Ballmer.

      I'd go back farther to like 2006 or so.

    3. Re:There *was* a perfect time by bazorg · · Score: 1

      so what was the correct way forward for those 4 important areas?

    4. Re:There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 2

      Badly executed maneuvers are worse than not entering a market space at all.

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    5. Re:There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Windows 8 should have been Windows for Tablets; Windows 7 should have lived on for the desktop.

      Windows Surface RT was a disaster that should never have been approved; Windows Surface Pro is not bad, though it lacks traction in the market place because Windows 8 was a hybrid between desktop and tablet interfaces.

      Windows Phone was a flat out disaster.

      Leasing software to Mom and Pop who don't realize they only get to use it for a year is a scam.

      So, yes, Microsoft could have easily responded to the tablet and phone markets without losing scads of money doing so and failing to succeed in the new markets.

      As the head man, Ballmer is responsible for those decisions. And I have to assume that someone else would have made different, and hopefully wiser, choices.

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    6. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you don't use it doesn't make Office 365 a failure. It's actually quite successful.

    7. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 8: A new Windows version with the traditional interface by default. The option to allow running mobile applications on your desktop as well isn't a bad one, but it should not have affected normal operation. If Metro was the ultimate goal, they could just have released more and more applications as Metro application, and if this got traction, they would at some time reach a point where it was for some people more comfortable to have the Metro interface as default. Then they could have made a new Windows version that has (a much refined, due to use experience) Metro as default (but still allowing to switch back to the complete traditional interface). Maybe they would also have found a way to run applications written for the traditional interface under Metro (probably not as well as native Metro interfaces, of course, but possibly well enough for a majority of applications). And then, after people were sufficiently used to Metro, they could have started reducing the classical interfaces, thus adding an extra incentive to use Metro. Note that we are now something like 10 years in the future. And the Metro of then would likely have been a vastly better product than the Metro of now.

    8. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 8: Default to a mouse-friendly UI on manual installations, but have it as a checkbox if a touch interface is detected. OEM installs set to whichever makes sense to the builder.
      Windows RT: Admit that it is a discount OS based on inferior hardware that only really existed because someone was scared Intel would fail to make a viable x86 SoC in time. No second production run, and low prices since the real system came out on schedule.
      Windows Phone: Despite the trolls, there is nothing wrong with this device. Don't blindly believe every rage you read on Slashdot.
      Office 365: Never paid enough attention to this to even have some idea what it was allegedly good for. Libre is passable for most of my needs, and there's an old Office2000 or something install around when I need something Libre fails at.

    9. Re:There *was* a perfect time by tgd · · Score: 1

      There was a perfect time for the transition:

      • Before Windows 8 was approved
      • Before Windows RT was approved
      • Before Windows Phone and Nokia was approved
      • Before Office 365 online was approved

      Avoiding those disastrous products would have made Microsoft billions, and those decisions were made by you, Ballmer.

      Um, those product have made Microsoft billions.

      Win8 -- selling better than Win7.
      WinRT -- Intel is really who killed RT by fixing their shitty low-end CPUs finally when they realized the risk ARM was going to bring. WinRT (and any losses from it) are absolutely worth it to Microsoft if it means Intel chips can work in competitive tablets. A billion dollar loss is more than worth it for that. RT was win-win in that regard -- either it worked (and given the success Nokia is having outside North American, their impending release of an RT tablet suggest not counting it out yet), or it pressured Intel into being competitive with their hardware in that space (which it did).
      WP/Nokia -- the world is bigger than the US, and they've already knocked Apple out of #2 in quite a few markets. And given Microsoft makes quite a bit off every Android handset, that's win/win.
      Office365 -- $1b in annual sales and growing.

    10. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disingenuous much? It's just that every PC sold with downgrade rights gets listed as a Win8 sale. I brought in 50 PCs with Win7x64 but each and every machine has a Win8 sticker on it.

    11. Re:There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Win 7 downgrades are selling, not Win 8.

      How do you consider a near billion dollar inventory write-off a success?

      Nokia is still a bit player on the global market with their Windows phones. They are not the powerhouse they were with their own OS previously.

      Sorry, but a billion dollar market share for a product that had the entrenched footprint that Office did is a joke.

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    12. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a perfect time for the transition:

      • Before Windows 8 was approved
      • Before Windows RT was approved
      • Before Windows Phone and Nokia was approved
      • Before Office 365 online was approved

      Avoiding those disastrous products would have made Microsoft billions, and those decisions were made by you, Ballmer.

      Office 365 is making MS a ton of money, so I wouldn't exactly rate it a failure just because you personally dislike it.

      http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9238570/Office_365_subscriptions_furnish_4_of_Microsoft_s_Office_division_revenue?pageNumber=1

      Approaching 1BN annually.

    13. Re:There *was* a perfect time by burisch_research · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. Their disastrous reactions were a lot worse than no reaction at all.

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    14. Re:There *was* a perfect time by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      No it is not!
      By doing something badly they
      1) Lost a bunch of money
      2) Lost opportunity (in terms of time) to spend all that money on something that would have succeeded, like say, make MS Office work properly on a touch-screen only device or even something simpler like make bing better.
      3) Lost any chance that any one would trust the company when they exit and re-enter the market later on. MSFT made windows phones long before Apple did. The poorly executed design earlier on caused them to wait too long to come out with the new Windows Phone -- HP for example released a phone years before MSFT, which with MSFT's marketing muscle would have been a success. Same with Zune and its many DRM schemes.

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    15. Re:There *was* a perfect time by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      because they remove the illusion that you would have succeeded if only...

    16. Re:There *was* a perfect time by tgd · · Score: 1

      Win 7 downgrades are selling, not Win 8.

      How do you consider a near billion dollar inventory write-off a success?

      Nokia is still a bit player on the global market with their Windows phones. They are not the powerhouse they were with their own OS previously.

      Sorry, but a billion dollar market share for a product that had the entrenched footprint that Office did is a joke.

      1st point -- that's just plain wrong, so there's not much to say about it. You have a right to your opinion, but not your own facts and that's just plain incorrect.
      2nd point I explained. You can go back and re-read if you want (although I suspect you have a bias of which facts really have no impact).
      3rd point, also incorrect, but again. Facts are probably not what you're looking for.
      And your last point is just stupid. A billion dollars in sales of any product after a year is a big deal. If that's not just plain obvious to you, you (again) are either ignoring facts for a pre-existing bias, or don't understand business. All things considered, I suspect the former.

    17. Re:There *was* a perfect time by fwarren · · Score: 1

      You missed

                  Before Skype was purchased for 8 billion dollars

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    18. Re:There *was* a perfect time by Hassman · · Score: 1

      You are implying that Office 365 is a bad decision? Why? It makes 976 million dollars a year and it is just getting started... How is that bad?

      Windows 8 has yet to be realized.
      RT is stupid and confusing and shouldn't have existed. Go RT or go pro, don't do both.
      The deal with Nokia is the only reason Windows Phone is A) around and B) has a chance at anything. Nokia's hardware is fantastic.

      Clearly people hate MS and Ballmer (me too, the guy wasn't great, but he also wasn't terrible), but at least understand what your criticizing him for first...

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    19. Re:There *was* a perfect time by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      No, you just iterate until it works. (If you have the will and the money to persevere that is)

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    20. Re:There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 1

      I know one person who didn't downgrade to Windows 7 Pro.

      You're smoking crack if you think RT spurred Intel to do anything. Intel wants the ARM marketplace. They could care less about Surface.

      You're smoking crack about Nokia, too

      A billion dollars at $100 a license is only 1,000,000 licenses. Compare that to 2010, when Office sold 30 million copies.

      Clearly you're a delusional fanboi.

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    21. Re:There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Correction. 1,000,000,000 / 100 ==> 10,000,000 licenses.

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    22. Re:There *was* a perfect time by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Only in a delusional fanboi's world would a 66% unit sales drop be a "success".

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    23. Re:There *was* a perfect time by tgd · · Score: 1

      Only in a delusional fanboi's world would a 66% unit sales drop be a "success".

      You do realize Office is still for sale, right? That total sales across the two are up quite a bit?

      I don't tend to like to make personal comments about people on here, but you are really dumb as a fucking post.

  34. Too little too late by Begemot · · Score: 1

    naff said

    1. Re:Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that if you have nothing to add to the conversation, it is your right to just keep quiet.

  35. Chairing him from the rafters by maroberts · · Score: 0

    Chairs all round
    Lets give him 3 chairs ....

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    1. Re:Chairing him from the rafters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already knew you couldn't spell--your poor kid will never be able to forget, barring a court order, I guess.

  36. woooo! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Awwww shit, I'm getting a cake! FINALLY, my computer repair and sales store can make some damn money with the architect behind touch interfaces and Windows 8 gone. I ran out of used Windows 7 laptops a long time ago and since then, my entire laptop income segment is gone, sparing a few custom orders from Toshiba Direct with Win 7. Good riddance! I hope they replace him with someone who has a brain.

    1. Re:woooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying Windows 8 is so good they never need repairing?

  37. Retired or Being Retired?? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 1

    Big difference there. Wall St. hates it when a company fires its CEO.

    I guess this was the best way the board found to get rid of the chair-throwing monkey without disturbing stock prices.

  38. The future is bright for Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because Microsoft is basically like Mike the headless chicken. 2014 may be the year of Linux on the laptop.

    1. Re:The future is bright for Linux by tgd · · Score: 1

      because Microsoft is basically like Mike the headless chicken. 2014 may be the year of Linux on the laptop.

      Wait, I clearly remember 2004 was the year of Linux on the laptop!

      Or was it 1994?

      1994 was definitely the year of Linux on the desktop, once Doom was released! I was poor and didn't have a laptop then :(

  39. That should be a +6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's the first non-lame chair joke I heard in a long time.

  40. Nobel Prize as CEO by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, his successor is the one that will get one, whoever he is just for not being Ballmer.

    1. Re:Nobel Prize as CEO by Alsee · · Score: 1

      If Balmer's retirement goes past past schedule like everything else, it could happen right on time for Obama to take the position and snag the Nobel Prize for Economics too.

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    2. Re:Nobel Prize as CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, Obama got a peace prize just for not being Bush, maybe you're not wrong.

  41. Death knell for Metro by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think this "retirement" (which probably wasn't as voluntary as Ballmer and MS are pretending) spells doom for Metro, at least on the desktop. Virtually no one outside of MS actually likes it. The only reason why they haven't backed down on Metro on the desktop before now is that it is Ballmer's baby and he doesn't want to admit he screwed up. The next CEO will likely not have any such attachment, and will probably be much more willing to ditch Metro in response to market demands – or at least allow it to be an option that can be turned off completely, for a Win7-style experience.

    Microsoft's foray into portable devices has been an abject failure. The smartest thing to do would be to focus on the business licenses that actually bring in the big bucks. That means stability, familiarity, and backwards compatibility – not flashy touch BS meant to appeal to non-technical home users.

    1. Re:Death knell for Metro by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2

      Microsoft's foray into portable devices has been an abject failure.

      True, but this is a problem with Microsoft in general, not just Ballmer. WinCE was released in Nov 1996, over 10 years before the iPhone. With a 10 year lead, WinCE was nothing ever than an also-ran, not even being able to beat PalmOS.

    2. Re: Death knell for Metro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, I worked hard to teach my mom on how to use Metro. Now that she knows how to use it and start enjoying it, you're telling me that she will have to forget what she learned and go back to the old desktop UI again? She will be very frustrated.

    3. Re:Death knell for Metro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WinCE still exists on products that are sold right now . PalmOS doesn't. I think WinCE beat it just fine.

      Now I'm going to go back to work on this custom barcode scanning application I'm developing for a client that uses some devices running Windows Mobile 6.5 (WinCE 5.2 kernel, pre-Windows Phone 7) and Windows Enhanced Handheld 6.5 (WinCE 5.2 kernel with some userspace enhancements backported from Windows Phone 7). These devices use real barcode imagers, not cameras, so, no, a cheap-o Android phone would not suffice. They're ruggedized handheld computers, and they cost around $2k each. This is the level of hardware that runs WinCE.

      Remind me again how WinCE is an also-ran? Oh, yeah, that's right. It's not. It's just not used for anything glamorous. It gets real work done. Isn't that the measure by which Linux is supposedly better than Windows? Sounds like a double-standard to me.

      Meanwhile, my iPhone has been abandoned in a box in my closet for 4 years and my Android phone has only three jobs: Cellphone use (calls, texting, etc.), Bejeweled-clone when I'm trying to bore myself to sleep, and sucking power from a USB port. So, yeah, "glamorous" ain't all it's cracked up to be.

    4. Re:Death knell for Metro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and focus on moving the business desktop data to mobile devices, ideally without a huge device lock-in or poorly adopting one metaphor into another where it is poorly suited. Oh, lessee...MS has f'd up on both of those (desktop -> mobile, mobile -> desktop), so at least it can try something completely different now.

      While "BYOD" is a nice current buzzword, if MS can work with Apple and Google to better isolate the corporate environment from the personal environment on a personal smart phone or tablet, with some degree of data interchange between the two environments, then MS could win, or at least eat Blackberry once and for all.

    5. Re:Death knell for Metro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft's foray into portable devices has been an abject failure. The smartest thing to do would be to focus on the business licenses that actually bring in the big bucks...

      Did you mean just like this?

    6. Re:Death knell for Metro by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Though you may love WinCE - and I don't doubt you do, it obviously fit your needs perfectly - having a single data point doesn't counter my original point. Nor does a single data point of you not liking iOS or Android. The base fact is: WinCE was created to crush Palm, and it did not. Palm lasted long after.

      The fact that Palm died due to mismanagement, letting the OS languish, and misjudging the market does not mean WinCE fulfilled Gate's goal of crushing the opposition. WinCE was always too complex, too much trying to get a desktop metaphor into a 4 inch screen with stylus to work. The fact that Microsoft has done the same mistake but 180 degree opposite - forcing a touch screen UI on a desktop OS - shows they still don't get it, but that's a different discussion.

      My point is/was not that WinCE is worthless, but that it's an also-ran in the space it was designed for... pocket consumer devices. Bill was (rightfully) worried about small non-Windows devices obviating some of the necessity for normal Windows PCs. In this specific space, it failed. iPhone/Android + Cloud is taking over some of the PC space. WinCE should have given Bill G a *huge* head start in this space. Now they're playing catchup, and badly.

      And yes, I still encounter WinCE devices. Our network printers run WinCE. (Got the slammer worm a while back, but that's a cheap shot). But WinCE isn't the sole owner of the industrial space. Yes, WinCE has the advantage of better modularity (which may contribute to undercounting - you won't recognize a custom UI on a WinCE kernel). But I'm starting to see iOS devices used in more business/industrial/commercial settings, as cash registers and such.

  42. get in time for windows 8.2 or 9 to be right by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    get in time for windows 8.2 or 9 to be right with start menu and build in modern mix.

  43. At least eight years too late... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The damage Mr. Ballmer has done to Microsoft in the past eight years is strategic and structural. His successor will have an enormous uphill battle to turn the company around.

    1. Re:At least eight years too late... by geek · · Score: 2

      Someone should have told Ballmer it was his job to out do what Bill Gates created, not undo it.

    2. Re:At least eight years too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While this is true, I think that MS is in for an even worse time. Why? take a look at any other tech companies after founders have left and their board of directors starts choosing outsiders to "improve" the company. A very monied company like Microsoft attracts a particularly incompetent type of manager generally someone who has a financial background (because we all know they make the best decisions) who spews B.S. and runs the company into the ground. He (or she) then leaves with bonuses a plenty only to be followed by another one of their type until MS is so cash poor the only person willing to work for them is someone who (finally) has the passion to fix them...provided they aren't bought out.

      I give them 10 years.

    3. Re:At least eight years too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rubbish.

      Huge market share, huge profit margins, huge cash reserves ... and they can hire almost anybody in the world to be their next CEO.

      When you compare fundamentals, Apple's position is far more precarious than Microsoft's. Apple relies on its "cool" factor, and cool is almost always short-lived. Microsoft has never been cool, but they have more developers, more patents and more lobbyists than any other tech company on the planet. Write them off at your peril.

    4. Re:At least eight years too late... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Rubbish.

      Huge market share, huge profit margins, huge cash reserves ... and they can hire almost anybody in the world to be their next CEO.

      When you compare fundamentals, Apple's position is far more precarious than Microsoft's. Apple relies on its "cool" factor, and cool is almost always short-lived. Microsoft has never been cool, but they have more developers, more patents and more lobbyists than any other tech company on the planet. Write them off at your peril.

      I like your rose-coloured glasses.....

      Huge market share

      Only in old markets. How's Microsoft's marketshare in the mobile segment?

      huge profit margins

      Only in old markets. How's the profit margin doing for Xbox?

      huge cash reserves

      Agreed, but no working strategy to turn that cash reserve into viable, growing new businesses.

      Microsoft has never been cool,

      At one time, they were. But they lost that attribute when the 1990's ended.

      they have more developers

      Yup, a lot of developers without a strategic direction, but with lots of internal fighting and back-stabbing.

      more patents than any other tech company on the plane

      Not correct.

      more lobbyists than any other tech company on the planet

      Now *there's* a feature of a tech company that I would be proud of... NOT. Microsoft needs the lobyists because has lost the ability to compete in the marketplace.

      Write them off at your peril.

      I did not write them off. I merely said the new CEO has a tough job.

      Microsoft needs to get off the teat of the Windows cash cow and look towards the future.

    5. Re:At least eight years too late... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has ... more patents ... than any other tech company on the planet.

      Microsoft didn't even start to make the yearly Top Ten list of patent recipients until 2007. And even then it usually placed around number 3 to number 5.

      .
      List of Top Patent recipients

    6. Re:At least eight years too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair your source is a yearly figure, which the parent did not qualify. I would assume that "has more patents" means total current patents, not your assertion that it means the number issued in a year.

  44. Disagree by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

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    1. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

      Your comment (rated at the time 5 Insightful) is a good indicator of why slashdot is becoming irrelevant to any serious person...

    2. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My dilsexia kicked in and I read "Disagree (Score:5, Insightful)" as "Disagree (Score:5, Delightful)".

    3. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, no. Look at MSFT ticker, it's up nearly 10%.

      In summary: the fact that people like like you are on this website is a good indicator of why it is becoming fucking annoying to any person who actually knows anything.

    4. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, maybe Carly Fiona will take over. She might even be worse than Ballmer, although nowhere near as hilarious.

      Ballmer must have seen this story.

    5. Re:Disagree by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

      Listening to financial and investment analysts this morning, not one has a kind word for Steve. He has missed every big thing while pushing Zune, Windows Vista and then Windows 8, the XBox (games are working well for Atari, right?) Metro (which may be very cool to 10% of users) the RT tablet fiasco, honestly, why does this man actually receive bonuses? He's had the company coasting along on markets it was strong in, without creating new markets. Hardly visionary.

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    6. Re:Disagree by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

      Bad news for competitors ... if Microsoft pick a replacement with the vision and ruthlessness of an older, wiser Steve Jobs. Even half a Jobs would turn Microsoft around from the stagnating business it has become.

      Easy shoes to fill, because even Goofy could have done as well.

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    7. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do you want Microsoft to fail? They are no longer a monopoly. Competition is good.

    8. Re:Disagree by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're a very bad influence on the industry and are still trying to regain their monopoly (see: UEFI secure boot).

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    9. Re:Disagree by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The funny thing is, the market agrees with you. Thus, based on the jump in Micro$oft stock price, and looking at the amount of stock Ballmer owns, he made nearly a billion dollars by quitting.

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    10. Re:Disagree by MrHanky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If stock price is anything to go by, then Microsoft has been a stable multi-billion dollar corporation throughout Ballmer's reign. Microsoft needs to change, but their presumed failure has, so far, been a mighty success compared to most other survivors of the .com crash.

    11. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One bright spot is Apple blatantly ripping off Metro for iOS 7, which is both a compliment to Microsoft and a way Apple may lose market share in portables.

    12. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Microsoft was a dotcom-startup? And here I thought they had already produced software for quite some time in the last century ...

    13. Re:Disagree by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

      Listening to financial and investment analysts this morning, not one has a kind word for Steve. He has missed every big thing while pushing Zune, Windows Vista and then Windows 8, the XBox (games are working well for Atari, right?) Metro (which may be very cool to 10% of users) the RT tablet fiasco, honestly, why does this man actually receive bonuses? He's had the company coasting along on markets it was strong in, without creating new markets. Hardly visionary.

      He is still with us for the next 12 months.
      Who knows? He might even get ousted after a huge sex scandal that shades what you listed. Think about it.

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    14. Re:Disagree by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

      Listening to financial and investment analysts this morning, not one has a kind word for Steve. He has missed every big thing while pushing Zune, Windows Vista and then Windows 8, the XBox (games are working well for Atari, right?) Metro (which may be very cool to 10% of users) the RT tablet fiasco, honestly, why does this man actually receive bonuses? He's had the company coasting along on markets it was strong in, without creating new markets. Hardly visionary.

      He is still with us for the next 12 months.

      Who knows? He might even get ousted after a huge sex scandal that shades what you listed. Think about it.

      Maybe the board, upon hearing this, told him not to come in to work today and he can just burn up his accrued vacation until his last day.

      your big fat check you may pick up on the way out and don't let the door hit you as you go

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    15. Re:Disagree by Alsee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even half a Jobs would turn Microsoft around from the stagnating business it has become.

      In this economy, good luck finding even a part-time-Jobs.

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    16. Re:Disagree by candeoastrum · · Score: 1

      Bad news for competitors ... if Microsoft pick a replacement with the vision and ruthlessness of an older, wiser Steve Jobs. Even half a Jobs would turn Microsoft around from the stagnating business it has become.

      Easy shoes to fill, because even Goofy could have done as well.

      I am guessing you thought Bill Gates didn't do too well during his tenure. I am not so sure Steve Jobs would have agreed.

    17. Re:Disagree by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd be willing to quit his job for half that.

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    18. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, I will say this, do you think it would have mattered if another CEO was in place? The company milked everything out of Windows XP, and monopolizing everything it could.

      Since Linux has survived MS's attacks to destroy it, or anyone else that got in way, open source/linux is slowly taking over and that would have happened despite MS's lack of motivation. The company shot itself, and it may very well be Bill Gates saw this coming and duck out of the way, allowing someone else to take the blame, I find it hard to believe Gates didn't push or work closely with Ballmer to get to where they are at as we speak.

      And again despite the "stocks" or there "profits" when you see what they are doing to earn that money it isn't from software.

    19. Re:Disagree by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      The markets already agree with that. MSFT is up 9% on the news!

    20. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent, for one, welcomed our walled garden crApp store overlords.

      You'd think more people would have caught on to the fact that nothing MS did is even remotely as bad as the things that are being done now. You never had to buy hardware from MS. Once you bought the OS, you didn't have to jailbreak your hardware to run software. They didn't claim to "do no evil" and then spy on you. They didn't want to chuck all your data into the clouds and then rent you keys for it.

      Ballmer tried to emulate some of that crApp, and failed because people were using the MS ecosystem for more freedom. Yes that's right. MORE freedom than your *NIX-based dystopia. Deal with it?

      NoooooO. They're microsoft and the culture I'm in says they're bad, so they're bad.

    21. Re:Disagree by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Lots of companies do quite well sticking to what they can do and do well. Look at airlines: Southwest has no interest in growing relentlessly, and this has been a smart move for them for years. Long term viability vs short term gains.

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    22. Re:Disagree by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One bright spot is Apple blatantly ripping off Metro for iOS 7, which is both a compliment to Microsoft and a way Apple may lose market share in portables.

      There's a few things that MS have done that are fairly good. The UI for WinMo 7 / 8 is good; they're looked at the rest of the market, and they've genuinely tried to improve on that. Equally, the XBox Kinect was an innovative product that truly deserves credit.

      And yet, once these products finally reach market, once upper management have decided how the market should be segmented, how the product will be marketed, it turns to shit. And that's the kind of "magic" that Ballmer brought to the table. That's what he did best... screw things up.

    23. Re:Disagree by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

      And so it has begun. A Jobs is now as to CEOs as a Volkswagen Beetle is to physical size or Library of Congress is to Download Speed.

    24. Re:Disagree by dywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      all companies want a monopoly. microsoft isnt unique in this regard. monopoly/homogenization is one of the natural products/extremes of a competitive market.

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    25. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      honestly, why does this man actually receive bonuses?

      Shareholders don't get to vote on executive bonuses in American companies.

    26. Re:Disagree by tehlinux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, the zune was awesome and I'd say the same thing about my surfce rt.

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    27. Re:Disagree by tolkienfan · · Score: 2

      Most markets don't turn into monopolies. There's nothing natural about them, and they're highly inefficient.

    28. Re:Disagree by jbolden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He transitioned Microsoft from being a desktop company to selling a range of server solutions which are quite profitable. He pushed Microsoft up market. He didn't do much in consumer he did a ton in enterprise and the growth in sales shows that.

    29. Re:Disagree by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

      Not to worry, the "News Media" got it ALL WRONG.

      People say that Ballmer said he's going to "retire". In fact what Ballmer was saying is that he is sending his Town Car to Les Schwab for some new rubber...

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    30. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So screw Microsoft, and "all other companies" of which you speak. Rooting for or defending large, multinational, publicly traded corporations is some kind of Stockholm syndrome.

      That other companies also want a monopoly has no effect on my desire for Microsoft to fail for the reason the GP mentions.

    31. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with the number of stocks he owns he made almost a billion announcing his retirement, so he's doing something right for himself ;)

    32. Re:Disagree by Victor_0x53h · · Score: 1

      Brilliant! We finally know know what step 3 is:
      1) Become CEO at fortune 100 company...
      2) Nosedive the company toward ground...
      3) Quit...
      4) Profit!

    33. Re:Disagree by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Guess you didn't see my sig, I'm about as far from an Apple fanboy as you can get. I agree that Apple is worse...but that doesn't change the fact that MS is bad.

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    34. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody wants Microsoft to fail. They just need to get rid of Ballmer to become viable again. If they didn't have so much cash they would have been bankrupt by now after the Vista and Windows 8 debacle. They have been living off Windows and Office for too many years now. Need to start innovating.

    35. Re:Disagree by slack_justyb · · Score: 0

      The Zune was awesome?! http://goo.gl/bxggFh

    36. Re:Disagree by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Uh, Woosh? I thought it was funny, and so did a moderator.

    37. Re:Disagree by Alef · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With the risk of sounding a bit flamy, but haven't Microsoft always usually been second to market? I would say the problem in recent years has been that the other players have been a too strong (Google, Apple, Sony, Samsung) and the new markets a bit too tangential (phones, music players, tablets, game consoles) for Microsoft to be able to wield their desktop/office space monopoly effectively. So their normal strategy -- wait until someone does something good, copy it, strong-arm your way into that market segment and push them out -- doesn't work so well any more.

    38. Re:Disagree by javajeff · · Score: 1

      They are not copying the interface. Solid colors use less energy than gradients and shadows since video devices have less to display. The flat look is not for aesthetics, but for longer battery life.

    39. Re:Disagree by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      PS- if I were moderating I'd mod you down for using a URL shortener. This isn't twitter and short URLs are a good way to disguise goatse or worse. Get a clue, son.

    40. Re:Disagree by AlreadyStarted · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most markets don't turn into monopolies. There's nothing natural about them, and they're highly inefficient.

      Nature is entirely monopolistic. If one organism is superior in an ecosystem, it will completely crowd out all competition until all resources are consumed and it dies due to starvation. A lesson that can be learned form this is that the more diverse ecosystems are more robust. I imagine some parallels can be drawn in business.

    41. Re:Disagree by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Guess you didn't see my sig,

      Sigs don't show up unless you're logged in, so no, he didn't see it.

    42. Re:Disagree by slack_justyb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow woke up on the wrong side of bed today eh? Do you usually dig four threads deep to poke at people? Is it a hobby of yours? Yeah, the URL shorten was a mistake, realized it right after I hit the submit that I had copy/pasted the wrong snip. Shall I break out the Cat o' nines for you?

      If I were meeting you in real life, I'd most likely not even bother. You seem to be a dick over the smallest things. You must be an engineer!

    43. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tech is supposed to be foward looking and innovative, while MS has become a business plumbing seller, always at risk of being outflanked.

    44. Re:Disagree by couchslug · · Score: 1

      A wounded enemy is still an enemy.

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    45. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, while the stock was flat combined with dividends, he was increasing their revenue and profits.

      Ballmer was not a very good CEO because he generally lacked vision, hence mostly missing out on the massive success of the mobile boom.

      But, really, no one else has managed to unseat Apple's iPod market, which is frankly the only thing that keeps me even loosely attached to my iPod touch. The Zune was a nice device with an innovative UI (they even used the titles as Back rather than forcing a physical button onto the device, which I kind of miss in Metro apps on both WP and Windows 8). Google is dominating the mobile market, but they are making less profits on it compared to--certainly--Apple, and I believe even Microsoft (thanks more to their Android licensing agreements than Windows Phone's "success"). So, clearly, winning is not everything, nor do you necessarily always want to be the 800 pound gorilla in the room, as it makes you far too easy to vilify.

      Personally, I think that Ballmer could do a lot better, but he could also do a lot worse. After all, it is easy to blame Ballmer for Windows Vista, but he was also at the helm for Windows 7, which is practically the same thing except the drivers were all ready to go this time plus some other mild improvements. Also, Windows 8 is simply Microsoft's answer to the tablet markets needs, and it frankly fits in quite well if you actually use it.

      Both Surface devices are far and away the most capable tablets on the market. In fact, a lot students in college (in my fiancee's case, law school, but apparently undergrad as well) are purchasing the Surface RT to do all of their note taking on the cheap in an all-in-one device that can easily be shared (USB, microSD and networked) in relevant formats. She got one with a type cover, and she adores it; she can actually type on her tablet without carrying around a bunch of bulky or battery leaching accessories, plus she can share information as easily as any PC, unlike the siloed-by-design environments of other tablets' apps. Her iPad continues to be her preferred game tablet and movie watching device (she has learned how to rip DVDs and put them on there).

      I find the Surface RT to be a great device for meetings, but, as an engineer, I cannot use it for work anything that I do. The biggest negative to the Surface RT is its speed. It's fine for typing and worthless games, but multitasking can be a burden on the Tegra 3, and I can only hope that the Tegra 4/Snapdragon 800 copes better. Fortunately, the Surface Pro lacks that issue as it is fairly standard PC hardware internally. I could replace my monstrous Dell laptop with a Surface Pro though, at the expense of some horsepower (though, I might gain more back in a lack of frustration of the Dell always sounding like it wants to fly off of my desk while doing the simplest things).

      I expect that the Surface 2 will be proportionately like Windows 7 was for Windows Vista. Microsoft has figured out price points that people are willing to pay, and they are about to push out Windows 8.1, which should only improve the experience exactly like Windows 7 did with Windows Vista (only this time, surprisingly free of charge...). Throwing in a Haswell chip into the ultrabook competitor certainly won't hurt its battery life numbers, which should help on its own to push the "tablet" side on x86, and I hope that they throw in Thunderbolt for daisy chaining monitors.

      Where Ballmer, and Microsoft as a whole, have really flopped is in marketing everything. They need to walk into the marketing department and fire just about everyone. I really enjoyed the Surface commercials the first few times that I saw them, because they were catchy. But, like some people on here, I already knew what it did. My parents have no idea that they can get a Surface RT in lieu of an iPad, nor do they know that the Surface Pro is an ultrabook that also works as a tablet. They do know that you can dance with them though. Apple can get away with worthless marketing of a

    46. Re:Disagree by jon3k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Kinect was a interesting product that they under-captilized on. Why weren't they able to do with motion tracking what Apple did with touch based interfaces? Build an entire new ecosystem of products and services that never existed before? Meanwhile, Apple was building vertically integrated empires in product categories they created (there was no "tablet market" before apple. There was a spattering of shitty products with zero mass consumer appeal). But if all we can point to as the "success" of Steve Ballmer's microsoft is the Kinect the poor guy did a worse job than I realized.

    47. Re:Disagree by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Got a source for this? A gradient made up of pixels of "solid color".

    48. Re:Disagree by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Immediately stop reading anytime somebody stars off with, "Dude, the zune was awesome..."

    49. Re:Disagree by oreiasecaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Equally, the XBox Kinect was an innovative product that truly deserves credit.

      They didn't invent it though, they licensed the most critical parts

      http://www.primesense.com/casestudies/kinect/

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    50. Re:Disagree by KingGypsy · · Score: 1

      Really? On what planet does this occur? In America, we live to monopolize while preaching open markets..... Seriously give me real examples of any industries that have, open competitive markets.... because there aren't any.

    51. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misunderstand this; there are natural monopolies. This occurs when the monopoly is more efficient than competition, such as water or sanitation services. In fact, the desktop operating system market is probably a natural monopoly. Porting code to multiple platforms, writing drivers for multiple kernels, etc. This comment smells of "ALL PRAISE THE FREE MARKET" blindness.

    52. Re:Disagree by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      I did kinda want to pick up a Zune, since it seems to be one of the few handheld devices that had an HD radio tuner.

      But then it turns out that NPR typically broadcasts over HD Radio as a "talk" digital format (low quality mono), so it actually sounds much better to listen to things like "Prarie Home Companion" and "This American Life" in FM stereo :/ FAIL

    53. Re:Disagree by Shark · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who knows? He might even get ousted after a huge sex scandal that shades what you listed. Think about it.

      Why would you bring something like that up? Now I pictured him humping a secretary grunting "Developper Developper Developper!" and my brain bluescreened.

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    54. Re:Disagree by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't Gates be available, in the worst case that they couldn't find anyone else?

    55. Re:Disagree by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      Cars.
      Bread.
      Restaurants.
      Banks.
      Silverware.
      Insurance.
      Amusement parks.
      Air travel.
      Optics.
      Mobile phones, service and hardware.

      I can go on and on. Almost all of the things I think of I know of multiple companies servicing that market.

      Your turn.

    56. Re:Disagree by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      I accept that some markets will turn into monopolies. I read gp to be implying that all markets will converge on monopoly. I don't agree. And given the existance of long running markets with ongoing healthy competition, I'd say there is plenty of evidence.
      As for praising free markets and efficiency, what's your proposed alternative?

    57. Re:Disagree by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Pretty mixed legacy:

      Zune

      Vista

      Windows phone

      Surface tablets

      Surface RT gets mentioned twice and the gift that keeps on giving, Windows 8.

      Metro get a second mention too, it was so, whatever it was. I can hardly wait for the fanbois to spin how even though all these things were so wonderful and great, and that if you didn't just love them and understand the superiority you were a hopless ass - that maybe Ballmer is being rewarded for his visionary genius. All of the above were just so great, there wasn't anything left of the man, God is going to rapture him to heaven.

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    58. Re:Disagree by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could bring in Carly Fiorina? She worked wonders for Compaq and HP.

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    59. Re:Disagree by jbolden · · Score: 1

      My post was about enterprise Servers: SQL Server's huge growth and Sharepoint. Also products like Lync.

    60. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why weren't they able to do with motion tracking what Apple did with touch based interfaces?

      Ahh, you think that actually works..

    61. Re:Disagree by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      He also came out with Windows 7, Office 2010, IE 9/10, and sharepoint 2010 which are the best versions to date and huge improvements over earlier versions under Balmer!

      In the last year we saw Office 2013, Windows 8, Vs2012, which are big falls from their heights! Just frustrating as my anti ms views have softened until last year. Balmer did let great improvements.

    62. Re:Disagree by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I also think Windows 7 and Office 2010 as well as IE9/10 are HUGE improvements over older versions. But hey are all went downhill fast with Office 2013 and windows 8.

    63. Re:Disagree by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Nature is entirely monopolistic. If one organism is superior in an ecosystem, it will completely crowd out all competition until all resources are consumed and it dies due to starvation.

      Entirely? What you describe is a rare thing in nature.

    64. Re:Disagree by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      They're a very bad influence on the industry and are still trying to regain their monopoly (see: UEFI secure boot).

      Funny you state that with a link on Apple :-)

      The same was said about IBM and that we should all standardize on Windoze because of the scary OS/2 would monopolize the pc market! Look where that got us?

      In 2013 I see Apple still having a monopoly in music and google taking over the web with webkit.

      I see the hatred to MS playing a blindeye from the current similiar to anti IBM of the 1980s and 1990s. I want to see Windows phone challengr Apple and Google. I want webkits monopoly on the mobile internet shattered by IE 10/11 mobile. I would like to see Firefox mobile too.

    65. Re:Disagree by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      he made nearly a billion dollars by quitting.

      No, he has an *unrealized gain* of "nearly a billion dollars" (today). Only if he sells, does he 'make' the money.

    66. Re:Disagree by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You do realize these are available as free podcasts, right? Then you can even listen at 2x too.

    67. Re:Disagree by sethradio · · Score: 0

      I agree with all my heart, soul, and liver.

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    68. Re:Disagree by sethradio · · Score: 0

      Yes Metro is dumb. I thought 2-dimensional interface where out years ago. But when we make them baby blue on a green background...

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    69. Re:Disagree by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Gates be available, in the worst case that they couldn't find anyone else?

      I don't think Bill is any smarter than Steve. If he were he would have suggested to Ballmer he may want to think about getting out sooner. He didn't. Having a view from outside is often better for spotting the obvious flaws those within just can't see.

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    70. Re: Disagree by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You realize WebKit is an Apple open source project, which Google is no longer directly using, right?

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    71. Re: Disagree by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I dont care if its opensource or not. Too many people use it. Slashdot had a story last year about it becoming the next IE 6 of html 5. Somethings are being put in to make a better html 5 score on html5test.com, but are not w3c. An example is touch events in css 3. W3c has a different idea. Its a la IE 5.5/6 boxmodel shenagan all over again which is why corporate apps cant leave IE 6. MS decided to make IE cutting edge (it was in 1999) and made astandard that w3c was workingon. Oops w3c decided to make the padding and the rounding of pixels different and from there IE had its version and Firefox had theirs and now 13 years later IE 6 is still around to run those apps.

      In 2020 we will have old versions of android and chrome to render these ancient 2012 CMS systems because one standard was chosen because webkit owned 90% of the mobile market back then and w3c did things differently.

      That to me is much more of a threat than IE returning from the deathknell and then ms returning to have its own standards

    72. Re:Disagree by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      My post was about enterprise Servers: SQL Server's huge growth and Sharepoint. Also products like Lync.

      That's why I said it was a mixed legacy.

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    73. Re:Disagree by tehlinux · · Score: 1

      I was being serious

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    74. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't invent it though, they licensed the most critical parts

      Yes and no.

      PrimeSense provided the (critical) depth sensing camera hardware in Kinect 1 (in Kinect 2 the hardware is being done in-house). However, much of the (also critical) software came from MSR and the Xbox group, including skeletal tracking, noise cancellation/speaker isolation, voice recognition, etc.

      Some of that functionality is now becoming available in open source middleware, but in 2010 the Kinect would have been pretty useless if they just repackaged a PrimeSense camera and expected game developers to do anything interesting with it.

    75. Re:Disagree by dywolf · · Score: 1

      barring any other outside forces (regulation, etc) when two companies engage in actual competition in a market, ie trying to usurp the other, eventually one will defeat the other, either by running it out of business or consuming it. this is undeniable and can be seen throughout history and is simply taking logic to its conclusion. i cant believe anyone would actually argue with it.

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    76. Re:Disagree by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      Undeniable?
      I think not.
      Actually what usually happens is that one company tries to differentiate their product. Competition drives prices down and quality up, and increases diversity.
      Monopolies are highly visible, and probably it's this mindshare that makes you think it's the norm, but of thousands of businesses over centuries, few became monopolies.
      In fact, many businesses realize that having at least one competitor can improve profit for all... check out coopetition. It can create a bigger market sooner than one company could achieve alone.
      Your claim is utterly absurd.

    77. Re:Disagree by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      The great irony is Marketing is Ballmer's background. Not very good at it, was he?

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    78. Re:Disagree by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      He also came out with Windows 7, Office 2010, IE 9/10, and sharepoint 2010 which are the best versions to date and huge improvements over earlier versions under Balmer!

      In the last year we saw Office 2013, Windows 8, Vs2012, which are big falls from their heights! Just frustrating as my anti ms views have softened until last year. Balmer did let great improvements.

      IE 9 and 10 are such slow browsers, I can't stand using them. And to think they should do everything better than Firefox or Chrome because Microsoft could go directly into the OS rather than through APIs... really wonder what the IE team and budget look like.

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    79. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is MS has shown a willingness to abuse a monopoly.

    80. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know who else managed their organization into the ground, avoided several coups, and didn't "retire" until the enemy was at his doorstep?

    81. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone please erase the - I put at the end of my post.

    82. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't figure out how to post anything without ending each one with a hyphen. I must be brain-dead.

      -

    83. Re:Disagree by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ugh, it is in my brain too. Argh! :(

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    84. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the Surface RT run Microsoft BOB? Because if you like the Zune and Surface... you'd totally love BOB! You should give it a try. Also, I think there's a Make Clippy Appear Everywhere Power Toy you can download, you'd love, I'm sure.

      "Hi! It looks like you're trying to defragment your hard drive.
      Would you like me to help?"
          [ YES ] [ MAYBE, ANNOY ME SOME MORE FIRST ]

    85. Re: Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is for scalable ui, they have many screen sizes to support now and are too lazy to photoshop buttons for every size.

    86. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      problem is they are either second to market or years and years too early.

    87. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not a mighty success compared with Apple, Google, even IBM, or many others survivors of the .com crash.

      http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT+Interactive#symbol=msft;range=20000524,20130823;compare=aapl+goog+rht+ibm;indicator=;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

      It is "stable", while everything else passed it by. And it's stable base is actually being eroded from several sides.

    88. Re:Disagree by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 1

      If by stable you mean reliably underperforming and making the wrong descisions then it has been very stable indeed.

    89. Re:Disagree by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 1

      Kinect was a interesting product that they under-captilized on. Why weren't they able to do with motion tracking what Apple did with touch based interfaces? Build an entire new ecosystem of products and services that never existed before?

      Because motion tracking as it is at the moment is only useful for dancing games, for any other type of purpose it is more effort, less responsive than other controllers and in many cases completely unworkable. The fact that MS failed to recognize this after their first attempt shows how much out of touch they are with the wishes of the consumer and the product they are making, a gaming device.

    90. Re:Disagree by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 1

      Really? Because I feel we could have an officer Barbrady situation here. Once he gets sent back to school the town goes apeshit. Looks like the monkey boy was keeping it together after all!

    91. Re:Disagree by ZigiSamblak · · Score: 1

      So we can dance on their graves in penguin costumes chanting the sacred code.

    92. Re:Disagree by MrHanky · · Score: 2

      Despite their failures, they've turned record profits several times the last few years. I'm not arguing that Ballmer has been a great CEO, just that he hasn't been running the company into the ground like some claim. Although Windows 8 seems like a nice try.

    93. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, theorectically a successor could be more competent, but it does seem that many big companies don't choose CEO's based on their competence (how many bad CEO's have HP had?). Maybe they'll pick Stephen Elop and he'll do for Microsoft what he has done for Nokia.

    94. Re:Disagree by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Yes, but adjacent pixels of the same color weigh less!

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    95. Re:Disagree by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      My mind glossed over that concept until you painted such a vivid picture. Now you owe me a new one. Thanks.

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    96. Re:Disagree by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      If they would unleash Microsoft Research I bet they could come up with all kinds of cool stuff, but everything MR invents just sits there doing nothing because management doesn't want to innovate.

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  45. Balmer by JestersGrind · · Score: 2

    How long until the Balmer movie is released?

    1. Re:Balmer by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Informative

      He's featured in Pirate of Silicon Valley: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/

      He's actually one of the more agreeable characters (and voiced by John Di Maggio aka the voice of Bender)

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    2. Re:Balmer by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I hope Uwe Boll makes it.

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    3. Re:Balmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long until the Balmer movie is released?

      They already did. It's called The Titanic....

    4. Re:Balmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You take that back! What did Bender ever do to you to deserve that? Well, besides everything Bender does.

  46. The Captain has left the building by NormAtHome · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks like the Captain of the Titanic is fleeing the sinking ship, after he turned the ship right into that iceberg.

    1. Re:The Captain has left the building by howe.chris · · Score: 2

      Looks like the Captain of the Titanic is fleeing the sinking ship, after he turned the ship right into that iceberg.

      It is more that the crew threw the Captain off the ship and now have the ability to steer away from that iceberg. We just have to wait and see if they actually do that or not.

    2. Re:The Captain has left the building by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Titantic had hit the iceberg head on (by turning into it) it would not have sunk. It's construction was designed to withstand that.

      Titanic sank because the iceberg cut a hole along the side through multiple bulkheads.

      So, nice metaphor, but wrong one. But yes with Metro on the desktop and making Surface RT a poor man's Surface by limiting functionality he has done a lot of damage.

    3. Re:The Captain has left the building by NormAtHome · · Score: 2

      We can only hope.... but you have to admit that it's going to take a mighty big course correction to fix their problems. Things that I personally think have been really bad decisions: Discontinuing technet; raising the price of the data center version of Windows server by 28%; the debacle that was the Surface; the metro interface (at least give people a choice of user interfaces); I mean I could go on for at least a few more paragraphs but those are the most recent things. Also this is a quote from one of my older posts:

      However, my main complaint is that Microsoft has not done enough to fix the sluggish performance of Windows on machines that by the standards of ten years ago are practically super computers. When Windows XP on a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 with 3.2GB of ram and a 500GB Western Digital Black Edition drive is much (much) more responsive than Windows 8 x64 running on a Socket 2011 system with an i7-3820 3.6Ghz cpu with 16GB of ram and a 2TB Western Digital Black Edition drive there's something seriously wrong under the hood.

      There was an article here on Slashdot four or five years ago referencing a blog post by a Microsoft Kernel developer (I looked but couldn't find it in order to provide a link) but the blog post essentially said that the Windows kernel was just not written to take advantage of multi-core / hyper-threading enabled cpu's and that the kernel needed a complete overhaul to fix the problem. I also seem to remember that within days the blog post had been taken down, apparently Microsoft doesn't like it's employee's criticizing their products.

    4. Re:The Captain has left the building by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:The Captain has left the building by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      Ok, ok so I should have said side swiped that iceberg :-)

        If I remember correctly from a discovery channel special, the Titanic really sank because there were defective rivets holding the hull plates together but the ship could have survived that hole along the side but the system of compartments that could have prevented the ship from taking on enough water to sink hadn't been finished or wasn't properly installed so that section of the ship couldn't be closed off.

    6. Re:The Captain has left the building by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      I may have read about that at the time it was in the news but I think even if that was only last year that most people don't remember it. Thanks to the movie most people associate "Titanic" with an epic disaster. Also the Titanic has been used so much in movies, TV and liturature i.e. "Raise The Titanic" and even in the 60's series "The Time Tunnel" there was a Titanic episode so a good portion of people on the planet know about the Titanic versus how many people remember the Costa Concordia. I personally think the direction that Microsoft has been going in is nothing short of an epic disaster aka a Titanic epic disaster.

    7. Re:The Captain has left the building by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      When Windows XP on a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 with 3.2GB of ram and a 500GB Western Digital Black Edition drive is much (much) more responsive than Windows 8 x64 running on a Socket 2011 system with an i7-3820 3.6Ghz cpu with 16GB of ram and a 2TB Western Digital Black Edition drive there's something seriously wrong under the hood.

      In a pinch I installed Windows 7 32bit on a machine with an Athlon XP3000+ with 1GB of memory, to do multitrack audiorecording on location. It ran just fine. I don't get what people mean with "responsiveness" in these contexts.

    8. Re:The Captain has left the building by howe.chris · · Score: 2

      .... but you have to admit that it's going to take a mighty big course correction to fix their problems.

      I knew they were done when /. quit using the Bill "The Borg, resistance is futile" Gates gif for MS news. Now it is the new vanilla "we are re-branding with the same icon because we are still relevant, no really" gif.

      However, my main complaint is that Microsoft has not done enough to fix the sluggish performance of Windows on machines that by the standards of ten years ago are practically super computers. ...

      There was an article here on Slashdot four or five years ago referencing a blog post by a Microsoft Kernel developer (I looked but couldn't find it in order to provide a link) but the blog post essentially said that the Windows kernel was just not written to take advantage of multi-core / hyper-threading enabled cpu's and that the kernel needed a complete overhaul to fix the problem.

      Is this it?: http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/21/2345243/Multicore-Requires-OS-Rework-Windows-Expert-Says and more recently in May: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/05/11/1430259/microsoft-developer-explains-why-windows-kernel-development-falls-behind

      I do think "the crew" threw him off the ship realizing that the iceberg is getting closer and closer by the day. I don't buy that he retired.

      I know it is not a popular opinion, but I think it is important that Microsoft be a relevant technology company. I am not sure they are right now. They feel like RIM a few years ago. "We are still relevant, look new things!"

    9. Re:The Captain has left the building by Kentari · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't use the Titanic as example but the Costa Concordia...

    10. Re:The Captain has left the building by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the Titanic was a small disaster compared to the MV Wilhelm Gustloff, which has estimates of between 8,000 and 15,000 dead. However, as that was during wartime and a result of enemy action, nobody seems to remember it.

    11. Re:The Captain has left the building by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      Someone else mentioned that, see my reply to that.

    12. Re:The Captain has left the building by Raenex · · Score: 1

      We can only hope....

      ...that they fail. Comeuppance for all their predatory and monopolistic practices.

    13. Re:The Captain has left the building by fisted · · Score: 1

      > data center version of Windows server
      This made me laugh hard, thanks mate.

    14. Re:The Captain has left the building by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're talking about 7, but your parent is talking about 8.

    15. Re:The Captain has left the building by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      I realize the average person may say "So what?" to Microsoft raising the price on that particular product because it's targeted at a very specific market that's neither home nor your average business. But as a business practice I would say it's similar to a bank raising the prices of their safe deposit boxes or increasing the fee's on their checking accounts by 30%. It's bad business because the customers will feel you are extorting them and taking advantage of them and it will slow adoption and discourage new customers and make existing customers look for more cost effective alternatives, way better to cut the price by 10% or give other incentives and sell twice at much product and thereby make more revenue than you would have by the price increase alone. Keep in mind there's more than just the up front income from selling the product, some business would also buy software assurance or support contracts so the more of the product you sell the more of these other services you sell as well certainly increasing income in the long run by more than what you would gotten from that obnoxious price increase. It's these kinds of bad decisions that are running Microsoft into the ground.

      BTW I'm glad I gave you a good laugh ;-)

    16. Re:The Captain has left the building by fisted · · Score: 1

      gibber gibber. dude, i was laughing about the ridiculous idea of a datacenter running windows. dispense with your business calculations.

  47. Retirement, Retirement Retirement, Retirement. by SneakyMishkin · · Score: 1

    Retirement, Retirement Retirement, Retirement.
    Retirement, Retirement Retirement, Retirement.
    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAA. COMMOMMONNNNNN!! GEEEEET UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPP!!

  48. Just go away already by CarlosHawes · · Score: 2

    And don't forget.......you can rearrange the letters in Steve Balmer to spell "Beer vat smell" -OR- "Tremble slave"

  49. Bad Omen for Computer Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found the last decade or ago to be a welcome relief. I remember when I had to use/support/program_for Windows machines all the time. Windows was just an inevitable fact of life that was imposed upon everyone, no matter how hard they advocated upgrading. But then since the urn of the century, upgrading actually became realistic and more and more laypeople did it. I literally go months in between ever seeing it anywhere. I'm not deluded: I know it's still out there and plenty of offices are still in its grip. But there are a lot fewer of them, somehow I've been lucky enough to not have to visit those offices.

    I don't know if this is due to Ballmer's incompetence, his failure to keep the lock-in going, or if it's just a matter of the populace waking up, needing better tech, etc. But there's of course a fear, that the next guy will be a better monopolist than Ballmer, and create new situations where people are required to use MS products where they used to not have to, the way it was back in the 1990s. Mobos or hard disks will come with Windows licenses, etc. Who knows?

    Ballmer leaving MS is a bad omen for the computer industry, and I just hope that believing in omens is as stupid as it seems to be.

    1. Re:Bad Omen for Computer Industry by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      You can knock him all you want, but Microsoft for the Enterprise is still huge and the best thing that has happened. Nobody is forced to use Microsoft in the Enterprise, but Microsoft made it considerably easier to set up your enterprise with a lot of quality server products which is why its huge.

      I am moving from a company that uses Microsoft to a company that doesn't use Microsoft for their corporate IT (company was bought out). Here is the difference:

      Old company, one Active Domain login to rule them all. I don't have to log in separately for anything, Lync, Outlook, Office, Sharepoint, Visual Studio TFS, etc. IT is handled in-house by a small team of 5. IT is modern and efficient.

      New Company, using an antiquated authentication service that can only support 8 character usernames AND passwords, on top of that separate user accounts for EVERYTHING, one for their "Intranet", one for Lotus Notes, one for the VPN 3rd party solution, one for their code source, and they use Gmail for corporate email. Also most of the usernames are auto-generated and not changeable so I need a cheat sheet to remember which password goes with which service. Finally their IT is so complicated and expensive to administer in house so they outsourced it to Mexico. IT here is antiquated and a nightmare.

      I mean if you biggest issue over the last decade was setting up Microsoft for the enterprise, realize just how bad it can be when people opt to cherry pick a variety of half-ass technologies and services just to claim they don't use Microsoft.

      Balmer can be blamed for a lot of things, most notably destroying Microsoft as a consumer brand, but anyone ranting on Microsoft in the enterprise is an idiot.

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    2. Re:Bad Omen for Computer Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your point is that a modern and well set up MS environment is better than an utterly outdated and badly set up non-MS environment?

      A suggestion: It just might be because that other system is utterly outdated and badly set up.

    3. Re:Bad Omen for Computer Industry by CarlosHawes · · Score: 1

      You obviously have not set up a modern, open standards based Enterprise Infrastructure. A modern LAMP stack is easier to set up and manage than sliced bread. And oh yes, I have been FORCED to use MS in the Enterprise, and it is always an excruciating experience. The whole MS approach has always been that they know betetr than you do how your software should be set up. Their interfaces and "wizards" are dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. I have to spend WAY too much time reading through dense KB notes and online "help" trying to figure out how to script anything other than the most basic functionality or having to use the lame defaults that MS has picked ahead of time for me to use.

    4. Re:Bad Omen for Computer Industry by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      except.... it was Bob Muglia who enabled all that goodness.

      Who was then sacked by Ballmer - so it shows how well Bob did turning Server and tools div around so much.

      I agree that there is a lot of good stuff in what Microsoft offers an enterprise, and I see lots and lots of companies buying into more and more of MS stuff - like sharepoint (god help us all), and recently ASP.NET MVC development tools (all the jobs round here are for that damn thing), and even more recently to TFS (sigh).

      They don't do really good technology, but they do make it easy to adopt that tech and that makes a huge difference. When something of Microsoft's gets 'good enough' then it gets taken up massively. (eg compare ASP.NET MVC with old style ASP.NET. Compare TFS2012 with the old versions. They're all quite different, quite a lot better, though that still doesn't mean they're best in class).

    5. Re:Bad Omen for Computer Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With friends like you, I'm not sure Microsoft needs enemies. You just damned them to hell with backhanded faint praise. (Let me guess: do you work at Red Hat?)

      That is, you just said that if a Microsoft customer is willing to spend "Enterprise" level money (i.e. shitloads) they'll end up with something as useful as OpenLDAP. And don't get me wrong, OpenLDAP is pretty cool. But it's hardly amazing; it Just Works, just like anyone and everyone expects it to, because that's normal! Ooh, ahh, Microsoft has ActiveSomething which is about as good. Keep on bragging about mid-1990s tech products, Microsoft.

  50. It's not all good news by dietdew7 · · Score: 1

    MSFT up, but HNI is down slightly.

  51. Hazaa! by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will be the best thing to happen to Microsoft in many years. Ballmer alienated customers, the public, the press, their employees, the enterprise and those who made their career out of Microsoft's products. 8.1's start button instead of start menu was the nail in the coffin for many, many people from a sheer contempt standpoint. Getting rid of technet and a hundred other things that showed their customers were viewed with contempt as the the enemy can all be cited as examples of why he had to go.

    1. Re:Hazaa! by Steve+Baker · · Score: 2

      If only. The problem is that once institutional rot sets in, things only ever seem to go from bad to worse. What microsoft is today is not entirely Balmers creation and whatever elements (people) within it that could have led Microsoft to a better place have probably long since been removed or left. Pessimistically, I would assume that whomever is the new CEO will not be able or even willing to right this ship. Those who will pick the new CEO aren't apt to choose someone much different than they are.

  52. Ballmer in diapers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody trusts him to do a good job of wiping his own ass!

  53. Cromwell said it best by CarlosHawes · · Score: 1

    "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

  54. Here's hoping.... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

    This is very good news. Monkeyboy messed MS up really badly. I've never been a fan of MS. Under Gates they were evil incarnate, and under Monkeyboy they became the bumbling stupid giant. Windows 7 was something they ALMOST got right, which they had too, because Vista was a catastrophe. And what did they follow it with? Windows 8, another catastrophe. Hopefully with someone who isn't such a short fused belligerent douchewad at the helm, MS might be able to make excellent products.

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  55. When..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Microsoft understand, they will NEVER be a device company, EVER!!!!

    They need to keep with their software as THAT IS WHAT THEY DO!!!!

  56. Elop ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Win-Win situation if Elop from Nokia to Microsoft.

  57. Retire from or kill Microsoft in 12 months by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Wonder if he is going to try and leave his mark on Microsoft and create one more big blunder that will destroy Microsoft? Like maybe sell off their enterprise products to another company because he wants to focus 100% on consumer desktop PC's.

    Love how their stock is rising on this news.

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  58. Please hire Elon Musk as CEO by Rivalz · · Score: 1

    I know I might catch some flack for this but I would like to see what he could do with that kind of capital.

    1. Re:Please hire Elon Musk as CEO by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

      There is a rumor going around that Elon is kinda busy right now, so I doubt that would happen. As a thought experiment, he would probably move MS headquarters to the moon.

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    2. Re:Please hire Elon Musk as CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please hire Sculley!

    3. Re:Please hire Elon Musk as CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he would probably move MS headquarters to the moon.

      Perfect! Just so long as he doesn't waste money on life support. (Remember which company said of a competitor: "we're going to cut off their air supply".)

  59. Actually.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my experience, a *LOT* of people like it. The problem was the cheap touchscreen products that benefitted from it didn't show up for what, 2 years after it was released?

    If they'd ensured vendor touchscreen support across product ranges 2 years ago, I think the majority of non-techies would be using it daily now.

    Still doesn't excuse them from the start menu fiasco, but the hate of the Metro UI is definitely overrated.

    1. Re:Actually.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know anyone who would want to have to touch their damn screen to flip apps when using a desktop. Just a single fingerprint on an engineers computer can generate enough froth to completely soak their beard! Shame really, the more in-depth reviews had positive things to say about the new kernel.

    2. Re:Actually.... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      So blaming the OEMs for a gamble made by MS? For a tablet, Metro is fine and people like it. Forcing it on desktop users has been a disaster. Forcing it on OEMs was the problem. See OEMs can't snap a finger and suddenly put touchscreens on their products. This takes time; it adds cost. Being the MS guinea pig has burned them before. If I were an OEM, I would be very wary of anything that MS wants us to do if they remember Vista Capable/Ready disaster.

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  60. A tip for the incoming CEO... by nbritton · · Score: 1

    Don't lock me in bro, resistance is futile.

  61. then the stock raise... but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then the stock raise... but then Lord-BalDOmerO says "It was a joke, I stay... Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!"
    OMG

  62. Richard Stallman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...on the board's short list.

  63. Windows is a burning platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... bring back Stephen Elop !

  64. who? oh right. by goffster · · Score: 1

    Meet "CEO Blue"

  65. I wonder if they're bringing Bill Gates back by Marrow · · Score: 2

    I mean, they would like to mirror Apples success. There is a certain part of me that wonders if Bill gates might be planning to come back in a the style of Steve Jobs. It would be very very tacky, but taste is not the MS strong suit.

  66. /. is like an elephant - has long memory by sinij · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is like an elephant - has long memory and can't see well in front of it.

    Microsoft hasn't be a monopoly since mid 2000s. Sure, they have a dominant market share in the horse-buggy and whip industry of desktop OS, but this matters less and less every day.

    1. Re:/. is like an elephant - has long memory by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      What will enterprises be replacing their desktops and laptops with? 7" tablets?

    2. Re:/. is like an elephant - has long memory by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      In a great many cases, yes. Your point?

    3. Re:/. is like an elephant - has long memory by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      And in a great many cases they won't, unless you think that people will be more productive on one 7" screen than two 19" monitors. Tablets are for consumption and simple tasks, they're not for large spreadsheets, graphic design, programming, complex legal documents and the probably hundreds of other tasks that a mini internet terminal is no use for.

  67. 12 months left on his Windows Phone contract ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Funny

    He needs 12 months because his retirement is behind schedule. And of course, just days after his retirement, he will have to download all the new retirement patches and Retirement Service Pack 2.0.

    No. He has 12 months left on his Windows Phone contract. Days after retirement he will get an iPhone 5S.

  68. Did he win the chair throwing contest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No text.

  69. So what would you do? by apcullen · · Score: 2

    Lots of Balmer-bashing here. (not surprising)

    I forget exactly where Microsoft was when Balmer took over. Did they even have windows phone out? Was it still in the XP days or had Vista come out? Given the state of things, what should he have done differently?

    A better question: where should Microsoft go now? They have a shrinking desktop market. Nobody seems to be buying either their phones or their tablets. They bought Skype, making them more or less the dominant player in VOIP services. The Xbox One pre-launch has been a mess. But Xbox is hugely popular, and people happily fork over $50 a year to subscribe to Xbox Live Gold. Where would you take Microsoft from here?

    1. Re:So what would you do? by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 1

      Excellent question. Here's what I would do.

      Treat a desktop like a desktop. Perhaps share elements of the Windows OS between platform (.NET framework, kernel, DirectX, etc) but the UI must be diffirent. In case of a hybrid device; let the user pick the experience he/she wants.

      Continue the Home Server concept; partner with a company (D-Link) to create a stand-alone box. Don't screw this up. If you want a media box, do it properly. Get some content; pick a movie studio or two to back you up. Get an American TV channel. GET LIVE SPORTS, especially SOCCER!

      Realize that you lost the smartphone market. Work towards creating a presence on the incumbents. Price the competition out of the water. Do a proper Office version.

      Lower the OS price. Create three versions tops; Lite, Regular and Corporate.

      They want an app store. Okay, that's fine. Create a "certified by Microsoft" program that provides some perks and allow people to buy stuff online. Fully-tested software (a proper QA process), no malware/spyware, backups, more generous licensing,

      XBoXOne - give a free online experience. Support the indie community more. Don't release 20 variants of the console.

      Forget doing a hardware media player like the zune. Do something that allows you to play music on existing smartphones. An app that allows you to stream the music from your media box (as mentioned above).

      Pick another commercial product area. Perhaps education? Perhaps extend messaging.

      Look at more reasonable pricing for CALs in the corporate market. Give better volume discounts.

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    2. Re:So what would you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Ballmer deserves it.

      He took over in 2000. XP was released in 2001, which means it was in deep development at the time of transition. i.e. the last product Ballmer wasn't CEO for. And if I'm not mistaken also responsible, Mobile, for making us all try and figure out if something was Windows CE (pre-Ballmer), Pocket PC, Windows Mobile 5 or 6 or whatever. Then Vista.

      Yep, he deserves it.

      What would I do?
      1) Immediately restore Win7 purchasing, make it clear that Win7 will be supported just as long as the abortion of Win8 will be.
      2) Crash priority: Win 9 will let users choose between Metrosexual and Classic interfaces. All development on what was Win9 and future releases is pushed back until this is achieved.
      3) Tell the Office division they *will* make a new version which has Ribbon or Menu as choices.
      4) Setup a Skunk Works/Candyland R&D division which will allocate 50% of their man-hours to developing the next level of computing and 50% of their man-hours to market research to learn what the hell busnesses and personal consumers want. Cause they sure as hell haven't had a clue until now. NONE of MS' recent past releases have paid attention to the second part.
      5) Restore MSDN.
      6) Customer service will become JOB. NUMBER. ONE. If it concerns the OS or Office, someone will personally support user problems. The entire development division will lend time to support this.
      7) Get the fuck out of hardware design and try to re-court strong relationships with the hardware development community.
      8) Give everyone 10-20% free time for personal choice projects. Lean hard on making sure timetables are revised appropriately.
      9) There will never again be a release as fucked up as Vista or as radical a departure as Win8, without backward facing support. Perfect? No. Usable? Yes.
      10) End all trash talk about Apple, Linux, or any other competitor. We will not publicly give a damn about what the competition is doing so long as we are focused on our own goals of making the very best products we can.

      Basically, while still developing the next level try to undo everything Ballmer did.

  70. Re:Joke's on MSFT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

    Note that the same guys who put Ballmer in charge will be picking his successor. We might not have anything to worry about. ;-)

  71. Hire Wozniak for CEO by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 1

    That would seriously shake things up.

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  72. If I had a nickle.... by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

    ... for every time someone used a Ballmer chair joke in the millions of comments over thousands of websites that are announcing his retirement, I could buy Microsoft and open source all of their products.

    1. Re:If I had a nickle.... by jasper160 · · Score: 1

      ... for every time someone used a Ballmer chair joke in the millions of comments over thousands of websites that are announcing his retirement, I could buy Microsoft and open source all of their products.

      If you forward this to 25 people Steve Ballmer will pay you $25,000...

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  73. Correction by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Questions about Ballmer's fitness to remain CEO have been circulating for the past several years, particularly after the company struggled to keep a foothold in the mobile market.

    LMFTFY. MS had Windows Mobile and Windows Tablets before the iPhone and iPad. They were uninspired and sometimes buggy translations of the Windows paradigm. MS had only lately realized that these devices need a different experience than Windows. However Ballmer still considers an iPad as a crippled PC. Well that crippled PC outsells PCs in some quarters making Apple the #1 PC seller. A key difference is that Apple is making tons of profit on it unlike the OEMs which make tiny margins on their PCs.

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  74. don't let the chair hit you on the way out by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    lolz

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  75. Re:Joke's on MSFT! by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is bad news, having Ballmer in charge of MS is a good thing as he was slowly mismanaging the company into the ground. A successor could be more competent.

    Note that the same guys who put Ballmer in charge will be picking his successor. We might not have anything to worry about. ;-)

    Well, the board have not been happy with him for years, but he was Bill's BFF so there was little the board could do. I gather Bill or his foundation still control a sizable investment portfolio in MSFT. Perhaps they'll grow some spines and fight for a better leader, not yet-another-BFF-of-Bill.

    fast forward to mid-2014: Melinda chose him, she liked his hair and the color of his eyes.

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  76. Not just Ballmer's baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard it was Julie Larson-Green, actually - the same genius behind the ribbon. You know, little miss "everyone I force to use the ribbon internally LOVES the ribbon." Why she keeps getting promoted is beyond me. She's must be pretty.

  77. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vista Flopped, Gates is Gone
    Win8 Flopped, Ballmer is Gone

    A Pattern?

  78. Accomplishments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, pile on, but ... SQL Server is an enterprise-class database that's less expensive than Oracle and used in about all of the vertical-market packages out there. Even Java shops use SQL Server because it's cheaper than the alternatives (DB2, Oracle, etc) and better than MySQL. Visual Studio and .NET are much improved - I had not used them in almost a decade, and was shocked at how sophisticated they had become. Windows 7 is an incredible achievement.

    Microsoft could easily leverage their strengths and turn into the MS of the late 1990s again. Put SQL Server instances in the Azure cloud, and suddenly a million businesses looking to fire their SQL Server DBAs to save money will be listening. Migrate vertical-market packages to the cloud so companies don't have to have their own servers, and you sell more copies of everything. Dump "Metro" and make Windows 9 look like Windows 7 and you get the desktop market back. Port your stuff to Android and you slide the knife deeper into Apple. Pave the road to success with a lot of unsold Surface RT units.

    1. Re:Accomplishments by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      PostgreSQL

      PS You might be insane.

  79. sinking ship, rough waters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next CEO needs to come from outside Microsoft, with no affiliation to the insiders, and he should be a technologist business person, not a salesman. Ballmer, over the years, loaded up the Microsoft board of directors with people who were "kiss up, kick down" moochers, and got rid of those who didn't fit the mold (Ray Ozzie, Jeff Raikes, etc). The next CEO needs to free the company of Lisa Brummel and Kevin Turner, among others who ran the company into the ground by mistreating employees and OEM partners over the years.

  80. Ding Dong the witch is dead...... by rimcrazy · · Score: 2

    .... and on another note Microsoft stock skyrocketed on news of Balmers's retirement but quickly plummeted on news that John Sculley was going to take over and start a new line of soft drinks called Micro-Cola

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    1. Re:Ding Dong the witch is dead...... by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Sculley was going to take over and start a new line of soft drinks called Micro-Cola

      I'll drink to that...

    2. Re:Ding Dong the witch is dead...... by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      Kool-aid or single-malt scotch?

  81. MS blew it big on DRM by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And that is totally MS's fault. They still don't get it. If they did, they would remove all DRM from Windows. That includes the whole product key and activation nonsense they continue to harass all users with, legitimate and otherwise.

    There was a day when MS was cool. They broke the early Office software monopolies, software such as Word Perfect. They reduced Apple and their MacIntosh to a small niche market. MacIntoshes were more user friendy, but MS-DOS on a PC was way, way cheaper. MS didn't rest on their laurels either, they rolled out Windows to challenge the Macs. Then in the 1990s, MS started to slip. MS's slowness gave IBM a chance to grab back the OS crown with OS/2. Lucky for MS, IBM blew it. MS also nearly got the Internet wrong. Remember that at first they pooh-poohed browsers. They came to their senses in time, barely. Windows 95 was very nearly too late. In the early 2000s, even the anti-trust conviction didn't much damage the MS brand. People still believed MS knew tech.

    But now? MS has made many mistakes, but I could hardly believe it some years back when MS signed onto the RIAA and MPAA position on DRM. One might expect entertainment organizations to fail to understand that DRM is a bad idea, but a tech company? MS should have been savvier than that. Instead, they happily poodled to the RIAA! Let the entertainment industry do their thinking for them! They should have been educating the entertainment giants, not the other way around. It was a terrible show of incompetence and anti-customer positioning. Having backed themselves into a corner on DRM, they then turned to their customers and compounded the mistake, trying to sell us on the idea that DRM is good for us, talking down to us most insultingly. DRM helps stop us from being naughty pirates, and that's why it's good for us, right? Windows Genuine Advantage, ha ha! MS treated those moronic entertainment moguls like they really know stuff, and then treated their customers, many of whom are quite tech savvy, like a pack of adolescents who would try to sneak a few beers if they weren't carded all the time. They further magified the disaster by then insisting that Vista was doing very well. MS lost a great deal of credibilty.

    It is only sheer size and inertia that has allowed MS to survive such bad blunders. I don't know how much more blundering MS can tolerate. Quite a bit, I suppose. Will they pick a decent CEO? There any reason to think they will pick a winner there?

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    1. Re:MS blew it big on DRM by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      I think you are on the money. Apple enticed people to like their flavor of DRM with the iTunes store and the App store, so that the typical consumer felt like Apple was doing them a favor. MS decided to nickel and dime their legitimate users with overt cruft layered right on top of what was already there -- this felt like a pure negative.

    2. Re:MS blew it big on DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it funny how you say that Microsoft was challenging the market with its office software in the '80s. Mind that the diskettes on which MS Word were shipped were filled with DRM that prevented you from running the software in a debugger (if you did, the software formatted the diskette and put a large warning on the screen).

    3. Re:MS blew it big on DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS-DOS was only successful because of the "IBM" in IBM PC. Microsoft has never created anything innovative. Microsoft is like a closed source open source company...in that everything they do is just a buggy imitation of somebody else's innovation but at least with open source you get it for free...

    4. Re:MS blew it big on DRM by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Meh. Tech companies have been dealing with DRM from day one. Software, licencing, agreements, etc... So yes they should be intimately aware of it. Partnering with RIAA and MPAA is pretty logical (tho I hates them).

      However the failure is how they handled it. The RIAA and MPAA perhaps may not know how to properly implement DRM, but a large tech company like MS should. The key to any DRM is to protect the product in such a way as to limit the impact to the user. The DRM only needs to be strong enough to deter casual users (the bulk of your customers), recognizing that it will not and is not designed to stop all attempts. There is going to be some piracy, that's just a fact. You just have to limit it to a niche and make sure it is not impacting your profit.

      However what the idiots try and do is stop everything regardless of cost to the user. Who is also your consumer. Who is where you get your profits from. Pissing off all your base,is never a good idea.

    5. Re:MS blew it big on DRM by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      ...

      But now? MS has made many mistakes, but I could hardly believe it some years back when MS signed onto the RIAA and MPAA position on DRM. One might expect entertainment organizations to fail to understand that DRM is a bad idea, but a tech company? ...

      Ah, I see why you are bewildered Grasshopper!

      You mistake Microsoft for a tech company!

      It is not. It is, as it has always been, an intellectual property company that happens to specialize in technology properties.

      Microsoft's (and Bill's and Ballmer's) fortunes were built on a purchased product (86-DOS, aka "Q-DOS") which they licensed to a third company. Strictly an intellectual property move. It has been in Bill's, and Microsoft's, genes from the beginning.

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    6. Re:MS blew it big on DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a day when MS was cool. They broke the early Office software monopolies, software such as Word Perfect.

      Revisionist history.

      WordPerfect never had the kind of monopoly that MS Word had, it was just the market leader for one product during a short time (that is: between WordStar and Word).

      If MS was ever 'cool', it was before January 1976.

  82. So happy right now. by christoban · · Score: 1

    So giddy about this!!

  83. oh I get it by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    They make Windows 8, it sucked as well as the mobile devices, and then he's reorganizing drastically and then immediately leaving.
    So basically he started losing at the game because of a stupid strategy, flipped the board and the table over, and left. Great job!

  84. The dampener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's available for parties and bar mitzvahs, folks.

  85. Step right up, right this way! by bjoswald · · Score: 1

    I assume the next in line will be Crag Mundie.

    1. Re:Step right up, right this way! by bjoswald · · Score: 1

      Craig, even. D'oh!

  86. Microsoft Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Balmer's exit is also testimony to the fact that their approach to the smartphone and tablet revolution has failed. So they question is: what is the new vision? Here's my take:

    First of all, they should abandon their Windows-everywhere dogma. It's come of old and the Windows kernel is well past its best of times, if it ever had one. Second, they should focus on what they do best, and that's office & small enterprise software. They should target this software for any device out there, whatever operting system it is running. If they don't, somebody else will. The HTML5/javascript platforms are just waiting to be commerzialized, and that would be Microsoft's chance, combined with a best of breed cloud offering. With Windows out of the way, they wouldn't have to continue to try to push devices and operating systems into the market that no body wants, at least not on their smartphones, tablets, cars, televisions etc.
     

  87. Pokesoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A giant snorlax retires!"

  88. One great perk for Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's one great perk of being a poor performing CEO:

    The day after you announce your retirement, you can place a sell order for your stock and get $1 billion in additional profit.

    The nice thing is that it's perfectly legal -- as long as the order is placed after the public announcement.

  89. who will be the new CEO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates? Paul Allen? just asking

    now if i can only understand stocks and the stock market

  90. Re:12 months left on his Windows Phone contract .. by datavirtue · · Score: 2, Funny

    Days after retirement he will get an iPhone 5S

    I pity the fool.

    I've had a iPhone 5 (company phone) for a few weeks now. Not at all impressed. I eagerly await my Windows 8x Nokia 928 today (personal phone).

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  91. Severence Package by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to guess that his severance er retirement package will also set back the company a pretty penny? Possibly restrict the company of capital to fix the deep-routed problems.

    The damage has been done to Microsoft, anybody good has left years ago. Incompetent people have no doubt been promoted into management, into places were Balmer's legacy will continue. So much of the development work has been offshored and shows in the quality, more specifically lack of quality and lack of innovation. It would be easier to start a brand new company and make it successful than to resurrect this lifeless corpse of a company.

  92. Next CEO by n7ytd · · Score: 1

    Either Michael Dell or one of the C-levels from Samsung. Microsoft fancies itself a "device and services" company now, they will think they need someone who can build "things" rather than ideas.

    1. Re:Next CEO by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      No, hire Carly so she can buy Nokia. And Blackberry.

    2. Re:Next CEO by n7ytd · · Score: 1

      No, hire Carly so she can buy Nokia. And Blackberry.

      They both would probably be worth picking up for the patent portfolio, if nothing else...

  93. Re:Joke's on MSFT! by bfandreas · · Score: 1

    He propably owns so much stock that his departure and the inevitable rise will make him richer than anything he is bound to achieve. No kind of severance golden parachute pension for a life time that MS is able to pay will match that effect.

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  94. Re:Joke's on MSFT! by vedranius · · Score: 0

    Well, the board have not been happy with him for years, but he was Bill's BFF

    Big Fat Fuck?

  95. He should have been booted by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    What with the abortion that is Windows 8, the Surface tablet with the ARM processor, etc. That was a HUGE mis-step for Microsoft. But I can understand why they did it, both Apple and Google are going in the tiled direction so Microsoft though it should get into the mobile market (Good luck!) and thought a tiled view would work. It didn't.

  96. Peter Principle by NewYork · · Score: 1
  97. A thousand chairs sigh in relief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    until they realize what Ballmer's retirement gift is going to be.

    1. Re:A thousand chairs sigh in relief by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      until they realize what Ballmer's retirement gift is going to be.

      I'd think it would be the entire unsold inventory of the Surface RT. But they'd really be missing an opportunity if it didn't include at least one conference room chair.

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  98. Bill Clinton by NewYork · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend Bill Clinton as new CEO of MS

    1. Re:Bill Clinton by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      At least that would be entertaining.

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  99. How will he retire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He will retire by running around shirtless in the boardroom dripping full of sweat yelling DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS while throwing CHAIR AFTER CHAIR AFTER CHAIR!

  100. Sinking Ship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it's the right time, he's leaving the sinking ship to try to save some of his legacy.

    1. Re:Sinking Ship by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Of course it's the right time, he's leaving the sinking ship to try to save some of his legacy.

      Seriously, too late. Win8 and the Surface RT are already out.

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  101. Why was Uncle Fester there in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The obvious answer is that he's Bill's buddy and that's fundamentally the correct one. But not every bright, visionary (and you can argue these if you want) tech founder like Gates gets to have his right hand man as his successor, so the question is what what was the MSFT board thinking when it approved this transition upon Gates departure? Consider Ballmer's CV: He has an incomplete degree, held no executive offices outside of MSFT, built or manged no noteworthy products or divisions at MSFT and presided over numerous product failures. Anywhere else, even if he's Bill bud, he would have been shunted to some seemingly executive, but harmless job that didn't totally humiliate him years ago. Any one of a number of technical successors (Ozzie, Sinoksky, Myhrvold, or others) would have carried Gates vision of a developer driven ecosystem revolving around the core of Windows and Office products further and would have a least given MSFT a shot. The company has been a cash cow on autopilot for the last half decade, milking an intrenched legacy product base and making Ballmer's reign look just profitable enough to stifle the obvious question... Who let him in charge of something as big as Microsoft?

  102. I for one will miss Lord Ballmer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Not.

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  103. A Replacement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has been said that one of Balmer's biggest assets at MS was his fierce loyalty. If that is important for his replacement as well, I suggest they give Miguel a call.

  104. He can do it in style, old school :) by Phizzle · · Score: 2

    Throwing chairs on stage while chanting: Retiring, Retiring, Retiring, Retiring, Retiring, Retiring, Retiring...

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  105. Re:Joke's on MSFT! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    He owns enough stock that the effect of the 10% stock price increase after the announcement translates to $1B in absolute terms.

    Of course, this is still largely theoretical, since if he were to sell all that stock now, it would deflate the price - and it's unlikely that the increase would persist in long term.

  106. Retirement, retirement, retirement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...retirement!
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  107. Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps they'll grow some spines and fight for a better leader, not yet-another-BFF-of-Bill.

    Unfortunately for them, a significant number of senior leadership figures at Microsoft who might have been credible candidates have instead left the company in recent years. Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, that limits the talent pool from in-house.

    It will be interesting to see whether they can attract someone good from outside. Big tech firms don't seem to have a great track record in that respect lately, though perhaps that perception is partly because we hear about the spectacular failures at places like HP but modest success stories go mostly unreported.

    Either way, MS still has an effective monopoly on desktops, a significant presence in business server rooms, a substantial war chest, and a lot of smart people. Someone with a better vision for how to use those assets than "It's like Apple but for people who didn't buy Apple yet" might do well there.

    I've suggested previously, even before the post-Snowden cloud/privacy concerns, that Microsoft could be in a very strong position if they swam across the current a little and promoted private clouds. It looks like a much more natural fit for their portfolio and expertise, it plays on competitors' weaknesses, and it plays to their strengths as an established provider on both client and server ends for business. It even gives them a potential way into the mobile market, via consumer-friendly devices with integral BYOD features for those who also want to use them for business but don't want to hand over the root password to corporate sysadmins. Any takers? :-)

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    1. Re:Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      They do promote private clouds. They have an Azure for hosting companies that lets you role out your own Azure to taste. They also offer private cloud versions / services where they manage.

    2. Re:Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by RR · · Score: 1

      I've suggested previously, even before the post-Snowden cloud/privacy concerns, that Microsoft could be in a very strong position if they swam across the current a little and promoted private clouds.

      That is not a significant strength for Microsoft. There is no philosophical advantage to closed-source infrastructure compared to freedom-respecting software. Microsoft might win a bunch of sales because of their tight integration and simplified controls, but if you're worried about privacy, then Microsoft is not the way to go.

      If you're doing a cloud deployment and you're worried about privacy, then the only real solution is to go to some open-source cloud system.

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    3. Re:Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what any of that had to do with this thread. We're talking about a potential commercial strategy for Microsoft. As a matter of fact, MS have the dominant desktop OS, a substantial portfolio of server OS and back office products that includes all of the essential server applications, and well-established sales channels into most businesses. How does this not make them the best-placed company in the world to promote a private cloud model?

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    4. Re:Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Granted, the pressure to buy Apple products has been hard to resist. Resisting that pressure requires the user to be both literate and numerate. If you don't want to play with your iPhone, nor read the Wall Street Journal on your iPad, how would you like to spend 10 years learning how to write Excel macros in a MacBook Pro rather than a Lenovo ThinkPad X220? And for what eventual reward? Do you have an algorithm in mind? How many role models are there? I have heard of only one: somebody wrote a stock-picking program and sold it to Dow Jones for 26 million.

    5. Re:Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by RR · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that they're badly positioned to promote a private cloud model. I'm saying that they're not a trustworthy vendor in a post-Snowden world.

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    6. Re:Ballmer's replacement - a possible strategy? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I don't really want to get into the politics here, but objectively, any private cloud solution where you're storing data and communicating only inside your own network and you can run independent tools to monitor/control data coming in/out is naturally more easily secured than a public cloud solution. As you point out, vendors in the latter case can and do allow data monitoring without your consent, and it's not as if that problem is unique either to Microsoft as a vendor or to security services in the US. If you really are a big enough business that commercial espionage via this route is a credible threat, basically no-one outside your network is a trustworthy vendor in the sense you're talking about.

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  108. Don't take this the wrong way... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ...but I might actually be interested in buying Microsoft stock now.

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  109. speculation on post-Ballmer by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Ok, Jobs said there would never be a 7" ipad. Jobs died, and the company immediately made plans for a 7" ipad. (No offense meant to Apple fanbois. 7" is a good form factor for certain kinds of work, and Jobs was a true visionary who had a few blind spots, like many visionaries do.)

    Now, Ballmer is leaving. What radical changes do we expect from the company?

    Speculation:

    (1) We will see something like "Windows 8 Workstation" released, which optionally restores the traditional desktop. It'll still run Metro apps if required, but will look and feel like an interface that actually works well on a traditional PC. Motivation: (a) Microsoft can't afford to take a big hit in the PC OS marketplace, which is their bread and butter. (b) Microsoft now credibly has someone to blame for Windows 8. (Similarly, they can't afford to piss off businesses with Server 2012; expect changes there.)

    (2) Something radical will happen with Surface. Either the RT will be abandoned completely and with extreme malice, (which is my guess) or the company will seriously bear down on it and make it, I dunno, actually worthwhile. One way or another, there will be a major shift in priorities.

    (3) The facilities manager will feel better about ordering new office furniture.

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    1. Re:speculation on post-Ballmer by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened to developers? Windows API pages are full of user submitted known workarounds for bugs or omissions in the text. The text even has glaring mistakes even in just single lines of example code that won't even compile due to stupid syntax errors, uhg. If anything MS should give the finger to the shareholders demanding such wild growth that they must diversify, and instead focus on their core products. Of course they won't do that.

      OSs are irrelevant now, it's all about what software can I run on what platform. In the near future meta-compilers will make Platforms / Choice of Language irrelevant. Cross platform software is best for developers (market-share) and end users (platform choice), so it's inevitable.

      So my long term prediction is folks stop paying hundreds of dollars for MS OS license fees, you just can't beat free. MS goes through the software patent litigation death throes but before dying morphs into a decent applications and services company. Office will run natively on everything and/or nothing (thick/medium client "cloud" services -- read: hosted software / SAAS). HTML5 or VM based "OS" will be produced so that you can log into your "desktop" from any PC or mobile. It will flop horribly if it doesn't have a personal cloud option -- MS will be chasing the dragon that *nix folks have already had for years (I have my own cloud already).

      Social networking and app Integration will be the next buzz-word inspiring BS capable of winning some degree of vendor lock-in for the new loosely coupled cloud operating systems (AKA LAMP+CMS if you want to roll your own today).

      MS will chase Google next as they struggle to create SmartAgent OSs that manage your "datasphere" and "appliancespace" automatically (I already have a personal Google-Now like system running on a few servers in my closet, personal (read: more trustworthy) AI assistant is the future). The NSA terror will have died down but ultimately lead to folks wanting to own their own clouds and search / recommendation engines, and cheap solar powered graphene will make it possible.

      The Visual Studio compiler suite will become more like a hybrid Vocal/Visual studio as the meta compiler technology is combined with machine learning allowing first a meta language to compile into any target language, then code to be written with multiple languages in a single file auto-detecting grammar and refactoring on the fly, then natural language programming ALA Star Trek TNG computer style interface.

      Microsoft's lasting contribution will be "Personifize", around the time of commoditization of personal machine intelligence systems and self learning adaptive APIs. Clippy will finally be reborn as almost actually usable OS-Tan.

      Fear not, we'll soon be saved from MS-BBB (Billy Bob Ballmer) as the microcode level Ken Thompson Hardware Hack that a secret sect of cyberneticists used to evolve a world wide neural network will finally become self aware and super intelligent. "Intel" will rule the world, making Personifized OS-tan obsolete. It won't be so bad since it's born of all that makes the Internet what it is -- Intel will be anything to everyone, Everyone will get used to the fact that we're all freaks on the web, and Anonymous Coward won't be Anonymous or Cowardly anymore.

      The down side is that the human brain that Google's letting that nut-job Kurzweil build will be used to simulate human thought faster than human thought so that Intel can predict anyones actions from their inputs -- And then output its program of control over the Earth with subtle hints in viral cat themed videos. Which we'll enthusiastically accept the subjugation as politicians claim they invented the "series of synapses". At least we'll finally have a space program to spread the network beyond Earth and reduce chance of its extinction, but it'll hold us hostage with the asteroid belt.

      Trust me, it's every bit as plausible as your predictions. Now, we should either laugh, or be afraid. Let's laugh: Mua ha Ha HA!

  110. Private clouds: done, but not done well so far by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    They do promote private clouds.

    In the sense of having a product or two that are aimed at that market? Sure. In the sense of spending some marketing budget on it? Probably. In the sense of throwing the weight of an 800lb industry gorilla solidly behind it with the goal of shifting the entire market? Not even close.

    My take is that with the right person at the helm, private cloud could be Microsoft's iPhone/iPad. It's a big enough potential market to move an entire industry, it's certainly not a new idea and some companies have dipped their toes in the water, but no-one has really done it well yet. I think Microsoft are uniquely well-positioned to attack that market, just as a lot of the hype about external cloud is giving way to some harsh realities, and as the mobile device market is starting to settle down now that much of the market that wants a smartphone or tablet already has one.

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    1. Re:Private clouds: done, but not done well so far by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I agree that Microsoft is a good choice for private cloud. On the other hand they don't want to start World War 3 with hosting companies so they have to be somewhat careful.

  111. I'm really going to miss Ballmer's monkey dance by Ranger · · Score: 1

    At least we'll always have this video of Steve Ballmer doing the monkey dance.

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    1. Re:I'm really going to miss Ballmer's monkey dance by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      That hurt my eyes. And ears.

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  112. Re:12 months left on his Windows Phone contract .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    astrosurfing much ?

  113. I can hear the cheers out here.. by doccus · · Score: 1

    Cheers are carrying as far as the west coast.. threatening to drown out the airport next door... To be fair, while Bill was at the helm, I thought Steve *was* the perfect foil for him, kind of like the teams of Laurel and Hardy, or Penn and Teller.. And certainly Steve imagined himself as a comedian .. I refer the the windows 1x ad (1.1? or it could have been 2x, i don't recall ATM) where he promotes it like a Ronco chopper/dicer ad... Does antyone even remember this one?I think it only made the rounds at trade shows, because there was no worldwide web at the time.. Of course there were BBS's but there was no way you could post videos on them (well you could, if you had loads of patience, cheap telephone plan, and enough of a grasp of the CLI to reassemble binary files ;-.) I believe even back then, video CDs had already arrived, which would be the only way to play them afterwards.. I have never run into this video since, however. Does anyone know what I am referring to? At any rate, if Steve wants a new post-retirement career, he could try comedy !

  114. Arrrrrr! MS by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    I'm not glad he's undead, but I'm glad he'll be gone.

  115. Totally different by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    One bright spot is Apple blatantly ripping off Metro for iOS 7

    You couldn't be more wrong and ignorant if you tried.

    Just because they both dropped 3D bevels does not make them the same.

    iOS does not have clipped areas like Metro, and has multiple layers of depth totally UNLIKE metro.

    What's sad is most of the world thinks as you do and has no idea what is to come.

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    1. Re:Totally different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have iOS 7 and it is inspired Windows 8. I admit it has multiple layers, which has the bonus of making text extremely difficult to read; and it also has the brilliant concept of having some buttons look exactly the same as plain text, which is perhaps the stupidest change to a GUI since the last century. The overall look runs somewhere between child-like and "10 year olds would feel pandered to and insulted if they saw this." It doesn't make good GUI design impossible for iOS, but generally this is a poorly thought-out change for the sake of change and already behind the curve before it even started.

    2. Re:Totally different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a lot of people absolutely insist that Windows 8 is unusable without a touchscreen. Why shouldn't Apple be subject to the same kind of consumer ignorance that Microsoft is subject to?

  116. Good, it's about time by Morpeth · · Score: 1

    Yep, I like Microsoft, there I said -- I know, it's blasphemy here to say that, I'll go into an iChurch later and pray to the image of St. Jobs for forgiveness.

    MSFT has squandered so many opportunities in the last decade, the mobile/phone market, tablets, O/S messes, etc. He should have been ousted been long ago. He took over a pretty solid company (like them or hate them) and just kind of coasted along at best or went down the wrong road at worst. I'm thinking Ballmer's replacement is unlikely to be any worse imo, time will tell.

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    1. Re:Good, it's about time by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Yep, I like Microsoft, there I said -- I know, it's blasphemy here to say that, I'll go into an iChurch later and pray to the image of St. Jobs for forgiveness.

      Those are by no means the only options.

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  117. I want to record my opinion.. by rainhill · · Score: 1

    .. that, Ballmer was a great, and MS will miss him.

  118. Re:shill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how much did they put in your pocket for you to say that?

  119. Voluntary? Clearly not entirely so by daboochmeister · · Score: 1

    He says so himself (see quote below) - his thinking was, give it a few years for MS to transition to a devices/services company. But something convinced him instead that that transition needs a new CEO right from the start. That's not the kind of conclusion you come to on your own - and clearly inconsistent with several weeks ago, when he gave himself an enhanced role in the related organizational change (with more key direct-reports). He may or may not have been strong-armed - but clearly there was some "persuasion" involved.

    From the chair-thrower's mouth: "My original thoughts on timing would have had my retirement happen in the middle of our company’s transformation to a devices and services company. We need a CEO who will be here longer term for this new direction." - Steve Ballmer

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  120. A smart player gets out of the game before injury by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Ballmer too old to throw chairs or do his famious Monkey Dance. A wise move; for Ballmer.

    Microsoft on the other hand could use more Ballmer; I'm going to miss being a spectator to their slow demise.

  121. Complete and utter failure... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    is how I would summarize his tenure as CEO at Microsoft. When he was given the rains by Gates, he inherited a company with a $50 stock price. It was stalled out at $30 for the longest time. Only now is it approaching $35, largely due to the glee associated with his departure. He has missed every significant innovation in the past 10 years. Windows 8 is tanking. Windows Phone is stuck in the single digit market share. Despite slashing prices on the MS tablets they continue to languish in the marketplace. Were it not for the entrenched monopolies of Windows and Office, MS would be losing money hand over fist. They have done some good things in the server market but Linux has made significant inroads. Maybe he can find a position at HP...seems to suit his skill set perfectly.

  122. What I learned from MS that school didn't tell me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 - To become CEO of a corporation doesn't take talent, it's who your friend is.
    2 - If you were next in line to become CEO and an idiot gets the position because he was friends with the former CEO just shut up and act happy.
    3 - Take a good solid product like Win7 and instead of making it better, make it confusing. After all the customers are stupid and will buy it anyway.
    4 - Get your friend, the former CEO to give you much stock and options in the employment package as possible.
    5 - When the company's market share is in free-fall make up a story then quit. When the market rejoices sell your stock and truck home billons of dollars.

  123. Ballmer to Retire! by hunzana · · Score: 1

    This is long awaited good news for Microsoft. With this barnacle finally off the bow of the SS Microsoft, maybe they'll get some edge back? Ballmer was a trend setter though. He's proof that the mentally handicapped can indeed lead an organization. Ok... lead it into the tank I realize, but never the less - lead. In reality, we all know that Ballmer is being forced to retire for inflicting Windows 8 on the world. What a freeking moron! Touch screen laptops? Are you kidding me! I'll be glad to see the last of this idiot. This is all, of course, just my opinion. Yours may differ. :)

  124. Steve Ballmer, you conceited ass. by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    "My original thoughts on timing would have had my retirement happen in the middle of our company’s transformation to a devices and services company."

    You're being retired because NOBODY ELSE IS STUPID ENOUGH TO WANT THAT.

  125. Re:12 months left on his Windows Phone contract .. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    Actually the last Microsoft sales rep that visited us as of ~3 months ago was carrying an iPhone.

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  126. Or... by pouar · · Score: 1

    Or was he fired for the Windows 8 disaster? I would've fired him for that. But then again I would've fired him for a lot of the things he's done.

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  127. He's going to take his $15.2 B by goffster · · Score: 1

    And go home. That'll show him.

  128. Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Ballmer is a known issue. As someone who still has some dead cat flat Microsoft stock from the days I worked there, it's good that he's finally going away. Of course the succession which should have happened when Bill G left is going to be horribly mismanaged over the next 12 months.

  129. Netcraft confirms it! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    People have been saying this for years. It was BS then, and it is BS now.

    iOS/Android is for the most part a totally different market. There might be some cross talk, but insignificant.

    Linux and Apple still have an insignificant market of influence.

    Consoles have always been competing with PC market. However there are many types of games that just haven't been able to translate to the consoles. Namely MMO's and RTS. Even shooters are crippled.

    There are plenty of things that are being pushed to obsolesce, but PC gaming isn't one of them. Seeing what is coming with the Xbox One and PS4, I see PC gaming growing personally. I know I just bought a new gaming rig this week. I would rather get back into PC gaming a bit more than deal with that rats nest.

  130. Re:12 months left on his Windows Phone contract .. by Urkki · · Score: 1

    I had a chance to try iPhone 4 for a few days. Well, it could have been longer, but I just did not want to keep it longer. I guess the appeal of iOS is solely the apps, which I obviously did not want to invest in. For all it's shortcomings, my current WP7 phone is just nicer. I was genuinely surprised about this too, I was honestly expecting much more after all the iPhone hype I've heard over the years.

    Note that it was not a big difference, so someone who likes iOS doesn't have much reason to change to WP either.

  131. Sayonara, Steve-O by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

    You had one job. Billg left you with one job. "Mind the store and don't fuck up Windows."

    Well, I guess that was two jobs, technically. Either way, the results need no further elaboration.

    Enjoy your retirement.

  132. Dammit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    I wish they'd have let him stay at the helm long enough to make sure Microsoft went bust.

  133. Get Out Now While You Can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything went downhill after Windows XP. They single-handedly killed the PC.
    And now, they're killing off XP this Sept.

  134. Hah! Slashdot likes Ballmer more than the Press. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting seeing the Slashdot comments because they are actually less negative than those of the press.

    From a May 12, 2013 article in Forbes: Microsoft's CEO, Steve Ballmer, "Should Have Already Been Fired." Quote from the article: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today."

    More about Steve Ballmer from that article: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs."

    Scroll down in this article to see Businessweek's January 16, 2013 cover that called Steve Ballmer "Monkey Boy". The cover says "No More", but that doesn't take away from the fact that the magazine called him Monkey Boy -- on its cover. That's the greatest disrespect for a CEO I've ever seen.

  135. We Baked Cookies by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    Real talk: me and my roommate just went to the grocery store and bought cookie dough and then baked it and ate the cookies when we heard this news. You should, too. Everyone should have a batch of warm, gooey Steve Ballmer Is Retiring cookies.

  136. oh steve by raorajesh · · Score: 1

    Steve ... never did much with balls in any case. underwhelmed

    1. Re:oh steve by raorajesh · · Score: 1

      (so what it's obvious)

  137. 'clarity' by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    get their clarity back again

    I really don't know at what point on Microsoft's timeline you are referring to here...M$ has never had clarity...they've practically defined an era in computing with their inscrutible, abusive user interface and organizational infighting.

    You're only seeing 'clarity' in comparison to total chaos. Compared to the options, M$ had 'clarity'... Microsoft was the only option for a business computer for at least a decade, mostly because government contracts (taxpayer $$$) gave them the capital to exist.

    Compared to other successful tools for human work....Microsoft has been total shit from day 1 and nothing more than a wholesale re-invention of their business model (not a 'change in direction') will result in anything truly 'good' from them.

    No matter what, in M$'s present mode of operation, fire whatever CEO they want...change the mission statement...WHATEVER...means nothing.

    The business was founded off-kilter...it's like when they aimed Voyager...

    Like the Voyager craft, huge corps like Microsoft cannot correct a course once they are on it (small adjustments aside)...when they launch, according to Microsoft's business model, they are stuck in that mode until the mission dies.

    Microsoft was not the right company for the task when they got the government contracts that got them started...that misfire of trajectory, combined with a business structure that actively opposes any feedback or change would have killed the company long ago in a competitive market.

    Microsoft had no competition in the US for over a decade!

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  138. Whew! by Rudisaurus · · Score: 1

    "Ballmer To Retire"

    Furniture at Microsoft HQ heaves a sigh of relief!

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  139. Re:Hah! Slashdot likes Ballmer more than the Press by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    I don't think we can blame Balmer for killing Steve.

  140. Unix by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Windows never completely adapted to the networked world. They didn't have a good shell and they never gave their shell commands full access to the TCP/IP stack. Most things had to be done through the GUI and complex UI operations are often worse with a GUI. Windows was slow to start processes and thus slow to spawn threads and handle new connections. It didn't fly like UNIX. Apple bit the bullet and adopted UNIX. Linux is now the major OS player, via redhat, debian and Android.

    If anything the windows userland was the real failure. Microsoft should have invested in better shells and utilities earlier.

  141. Re:Hah! Slashdot likes Ballmer more than the Press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot likes Ballmer because many if not most use Linux or something similar, and anyone who has screwed up in a position of authority at such a company as much as Ballmer has, whether or not he meant to, is a friend of the FL/OSS community in general and Linux in particular. Think how many fewer people would have been so disgusted with Windows 8, just for example, that it caused them to flee the Microsoft ecosystem of wretchware ONCE AND FOR ALL! If Windows 8 had been even close to as usable as Windows 7, many more people would still be using it who have instead opted for something better, like Linux, for example.

    So thanks, Ballmer, you've been a great help to those of us who try to raise awareness for how shitty your company, and its products TRULY are. You deserve a medal.

    WE (THE LINUX COMMUNITY) SHOULD HAVE A MEDAL TO GIVE OUT! DO WE? IF NOT WE TOTALLY SHOULD! It would have a snippet from Linus' e-mail to the world on one side, and a penguin on the back winking, or giving a thumb's up on the other. It would double as a USB drive, naturally, and boot Linux, what else?!? Also, it would be able to be used as a beer bottle opener, and a pizza cutter.

    Someone PLEASE make this NOW!

  142. Re:Hah! Slashdot likes Ballmer more than the Press by steelfood · · Score: 1

    Because as harsh as we are, we know better than to resort to ad homeniem attacks. There's so much more real material we can use...

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  143. Windows 8 Workstation by javajeff · · Score: 1

    Why would they need a Windows 8 Workstation? Companies can standardize on free Start Menu programs like classic shell. From what I hear, major Computer vendors are installing Pokki for Windows 8 Start Menu since they can customize it.

    Windows 8.1 brings back the start button. While it only takes you to the start screen, you can have it go to the all apps screen instead. The start screen is a full screen start menu. I removed all live tiles on mine, and pinned all programs that I launch on it.

    1. Re:Windows 8 Workstation by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Why would they need a Windows 8 Workstation? Companies can standardize on free Start Menu programs like classic shell. From what I hear, major Computer vendors are installing Pokki for Windows 8 Start Menu since they can customize it.

      Windows 8.1 brings back the start button. While it only takes you to the start screen, you can have it go to the all apps screen instead. The start screen is a full screen start menu. I removed all live tiles on mine, and pinned all programs that I launch on it.

      As an aside, Yes, Windows 8.1 brings back the start button, but that was not what we were asking for. That was a classic example of the company completely misunderstanding user requirements.

      What was requested, along with a lot of other things, was a return to the start menu paradigm. But it's not just the start menu. It's the hot corners and charms bar and sliding gestures, all the "features" that are inappropriate on a workstation. (and some that server 2012 has, that aren't appropriate on a server.) Rather than retrain or try to find workarounds, most companies will stick with Windows 7 and Server 2008, and ride it out until Microsoft gets a clue. Test by: Did every company jump on Vista and just grit their teeth and work through the issues, or did they stick with XP? If you don't know the answer to that, we are not going to have a productive conversation. Like many companies, my company took new PCs with Vista installed and imaged them with Windows XP. Because it was a known quantity that didn't have Vista's issues. That's what companies do. Hello??

      What it comes down to is that there is no reason to migrate to Windows 8. There are many reasons not to. Therefore, there will be a very small Win8 penetration in its current form. Oh, there may be the occasional specialized app on Win8 tablets, but I suspect there will be few of those, because the ipad has had such a head start. My company issues ipads for certain applications. (As an IT person I was entitled to one. I had it for a couple weeks, and gave it back, as there was no place in my workflow for one -- it was just another device to carry.) There is no reason to suddenly switch to Surface. There just isn't. They're expensive, ugly, non-intuitive, and the execs do not like them. End of story.

      So, in summary, if Microsoft wants a new Windows OS to be widely adopted in this decade (I mean that seriously -- see the current penetration of XP 12 years after introduction) then something is going to have to change. Their fastest track is to blame everything on Ballmer and come out with a version that's used and managed *identical* to Win7 (no retraining) but has the minor back-end improvements of Win8 that are actually a little attractive. Keep Metro for phones and tablets. It would be a Ballmer-esque decision to go back to the "Start" button on phones, and pretty much end Microsoft's participation (such as it is) in that market. A single GUI on every type of device (at least, the way Microsoft is trying to implement) is madness. To each type of device it's appropriate interface. Microsoft will continue to be a minor player until they understand this. Yes, they still have buttloads of money, and could survive as a fractional player for years. But is Microsoft really comfortable being a has-been in the industry? Hello, SCO called, they want their business plan back.

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  144. Re:Hah! Slashdot likes Ballmer more than the Press by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    Uncle Fester may be annoying byt for years and years has has been by far the best tool (sic) in Linux and FOSS toolbox. Nasty sure but for his services to Linux, in all the various mistakes including permanently offending the majority of Linux supporters by publicly slandering them at any and all opportunities, well done. Of course Bill deserves full blame for putting and keeping his buddy in power.

    All those Ballmerites of course are now living in fear, cleaning house after Uncle Fester is gone means all those yes men are doomed as well.

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  145. Re:Hah! Slashdot likes Ballmer more than the Press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because we know how difficult making a success of his job would've been while the journalists mainly know MS's failures.