I think it's the fact that it's pink. If I were a car thief I'd have no problem with stealing a bright orange Focus RS, because they're actually cool. Bright pink though? You think a thief's friends are going to be impressed by that? Please.
Also should mention that I thought TFS was talking about those stupid ads you get on Google's search results that have clearly just been generated specifically tailored to your search. I thought that they were generated on the fly though, rather than from Trends.
That doesn't seem to be what the guy is beefing about.
I don't think he even understands how the ads work. He's viewing pages which mention chocolate, so the ads end up being about chocolate. Yet he somehow thinks that this is because of Google Trends? If he reloaded the page he'd get slightly different ads, yet he seems to talk like each page only has one set of static ads o_0
When referring to a person I really don't think it sounds like a noun, though someone else has pointed out a dictionary definition that says it is. And I have no problems saying "an American", so I guess it's just that I'm not used to hearing anyone say "a Japanese".
I live in Britain, the only person I've ever heard talking like that is my grandpa. I didn't really think of "an American", I do kind of think of that as a noun, though I definitely wouldn't call myself "a Scottish", in that case I'd say "a Scot".
Actually using the OP's style, you'd have to say "I'm thinking Japaneses might disagree with you", since "the Japanese" would presumably refer to something of Japanese origin.
It's a bit like referring to Windows or Outlook as "Microsoft". I actually have met some people that do this, but I certainly don't envy their intellectual capabilities.
In meta-grammar (yes I just made that up) terms all words can be used as nouns if you're using the word to refer to the word itself rather than using the word to convey its intended meaning, but in a normal usage context the word "Japanese" is not a noun.
In your sentence Japanese is used as an adjective to describe anyone who is Japanese, otherwise you would be able to say "I think Japanese might disagree with you". Saying stuff like "A Japanese" to me just sounds like some redneck racist talking.
The average person would never use the term "consumption" when describing the use of an entertainment device. Again you showed here that you are far from average personally, apart from iPad ownership issues.
He was quoting.. though he did use a semi-colon. But being able to write well is nothing to do with income, anyone can afford to read (ie library books). My family was pretty poor when I was a kid, but I read a lot and as a result my spelling is generally above average (certainly better "then" a lot of online comments I see).
Well I'm running Linux but my touchpad does have the scroll areas at the edge. Haven't seen any options to use it as a multitouch pad unfortunately. I'm unsure if my MBP would work with multitouch under Ubuntu, haven't tried (I just use it as a server these days). I definitely prefer the two finger touch over edge scrolling.
Even when it's not recording any personal information? I think it's vastly preferable to opt the clueless in and let those who care opt out. Leaving the ignorant to secure themselves against things they don't even know exist is really unhelpful. It would be like an email client that comes with no spam filter. Spam filters in Hotmail and Gmail technically have to sift through the contents of your personal emails, but nobody complains about that. To me this seems like a very similar situation.
It would have been much better of them to provide an opt-in option or give notice to existing customers, but for new customers I really think it should be an opt-out situation. If there was an ISP that did virus scanning of all files you download etc then I would probably recommend it to some of my more clueless family members and friends.
I don't pretend to have a good grasp of the situation, but you thinking that such things as laws are going to stop naughty people from doing naughty things isn't exactly well thought out either. And with all the "terror" excuses recently both the US and UK governments have taken liberty with the law in the name of security. Laws alone are a poor safeguard against this kind of stuff. It's like putting up a sign on your frontdoor saying "my door is unlocked, but if you open it and steal anything, I shall be very, very cross indeed!".
There are several encrypted VoIP services available, or you could always roll your own if you really wanted to guarantee security.
No, one of my gfs had that option on, I hated it. I also hate single tap for left click, but if the whole pad is a giant button then that could work, two finger clicking included.
I don't think I need to worry about the opinion of someone who thinks that encrypted digital communications are easier to snoop than analog telephone lines.
Forgot to mention, this isn't about privacy, this is about collecting anonymous data. They already have the capability to invade peoples' privacy silently if they really wanted, this is about a public system that they purport to only collect anonymous usage statistics. If they're lying, then it's fine with me to hang them from the rafters, but if they're telling the truth then everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
I'm not saying that companies won't do these things, but I have seen a lot of Slashdot discussions where people get things completely wrong, working themselves into a frenzy over nothing. I'm just trying to point out how this might not be as bad as the sensationalists are trying to make out.
The Phorm thing does make it more likely that they were trying to screw people over here, I wasn't aware of that until someone else mentioned it.
The personal attack was an emotional response to you saying I'm just bullshitting. I despise liars, and there would have to be some amazingly good reason to get me to lie. I can't think of many situations where it's worth it. Thankyou for your reasonable response, I guess I was just getting into defensive mode with all the crazies attacking me for suggesting that this whole thing may not be an evil plot to try to sell people things.
Well, you need to at least collect the unknown URLs to put into the good or bad database after they scan them, that might be where the "recording URLs" bit comes in.
Seriously, there have been so many stories like this where the comments are murderous and insane, then you find out after RTFA or someone posts a more informed comment that things weren't so bad after all. Then again there have been other comments that mention scummy things TalkTalk have done before so maybe they do have nefarious plans for this system, I don't know.
It's a possibility that they have actually designed the system similar to how you described it though, it would still match up to what TFA says. Without details then all this story serves to do is drive the privacy nuts apoplectic and get their frothy spit in everybody's eyes.
At least in America all of those pretences went out the window with the PATRIOT act.
The Data Protection Act covers collection of personal data just fine whether digitally or on paper.
It's you [insert tinfoil insult here] people that are fucking stupid when you start bleating about issues like this. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Even when there are serious breaches of privacy going on (and this doesn't count - it is recording anonymised data and therefore isn't even covered under the data protection act, because there is no fucking privacy violation happening) I just can't take you seriously any more.
Scrolling should be a lot nicer. The only couple of things I miss from my MBP are the multitouch scrolling (drag two fingers around to scroll), and the way you could hold down two fingers and click the button to simulate a right click. I've been back using a normal PC touchpad for over a year now but I still like that better than having two trackpad buttons.
A lot of games would still be better with a mouse though IMO, I guess because you use your wrist to control movement while your fingers are free for button control.
Yeah I think that's a bit silly, though they might just want usage statistics like how many dodgy/valid/unknown sites people try to visit per month to be able to judge whether it's worth having the filter in place at all.
Do you work for TalkTalk or something? Why are you bullshitting so much?
Actually if you look at my comment history you'll see that I do this kind of thing regularly on Slashdot, because people are always sensationalising and bullshitting themselves without actually reading TFA or thinking.
As you point out they probably are already recording sites that have been visited etc. But when they want to do something that could actually be beneficial to the world, you complain.
Yes, I don't think this will make things 100% secure, but it will help make them more secure. It would be similar to AV if they'd given the option to opt in or out.
Yeah, they claim. Do you have access to the systems doing the monitoring and so actually know that?
All we have is their claims, dumbass. All we ever have from any company is claims, unless they're audited. They could be recording everything already without your knowledge. This is a system that clearly will be known about by the public though, they're not trying to hide it if it's actually displaying messages to people that the site they are visiting is "potentially harmful" type thing. Gah, it's so frustrating how retarded you guys are sometimes.
Oh noes! Wait a second, your ISP already has access to everything you do online, as well as your real life name, address, bank account number, etc. Why would you suddenly start caring about them having access to that which they already have access to? If they really wanted to do something nefarious with this information, they could.
If you are actually submitting "personal data" that you don't want other people to see or record outside of an encrypted connection, you're an idiot.
I've only seen it once so probably will have missed a couple of things or not remember the details correctly, but here's a few things:
There's no reason his subconscious wouldn't be able to craft a top that falls over even in his dream - if he truly wanted to stay in that world he could be fooling himself. Maybe in the real world he doesn't even have kids.
Several other people (Saito being the main one at the end) also talk using similar words he did with his wife (or the other way round, I can't remember) in one of their private conversations.
His lifestyle is at James Bond levels of unrealism, with him able to outrun loads of armed goons and somehow have Saito magically come out of nowhere to rescue him etc.. now this is a typical movie thing so maybe we should just accept it, but even the girl pointed out how crazy and unrealistic his life is. This would mean that everyone else in the story is just a part of his subconscious though, unless they're all trapped in a dream too.
Though if it is all just a dream, why doesn't his wife just arrange a "kick" in his real life to wake him up? Unless everything in the movie is taking place in some crazy form of limbo where his dream goes at a million years a second or something like that.
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I think it's the fact that it's pink. If I were a car thief I'd have no problem with stealing a bright orange Focus RS, because they're actually cool. Bright pink though? You think a thief's friends are going to be impressed by that? Please.
Also should mention that I thought TFS was talking about those stupid ads you get on Google's search results that have clearly just been generated specifically tailored to your search. I thought that they were generated on the fly though, rather than from Trends.
That doesn't seem to be what the guy is beefing about.
I don't think he even understands how the ads work. He's viewing pages which mention chocolate, so the ads end up being about chocolate. Yet he somehow thinks that this is because of Google Trends? If he reloaded the page he'd get slightly different ads, yet he seems to talk like each page only has one set of static ads o_0
When referring to a person I really don't think it sounds like a noun, though someone else has pointed out a dictionary definition that says it is. And I have no problems saying "an American", so I guess it's just that I'm not used to hearing anyone say "a Japanese".
I live in Britain, the only person I've ever heard talking like that is my grandpa. I didn't really think of "an American", I do kind of think of that as a noun, though I definitely wouldn't call myself "a Scottish", in that case I'd say "a Scot".
Actually using the OP's style, you'd have to say "I'm thinking Japaneses might disagree with you", since "the Japanese" would presumably refer to something of Japanese origin.
It's a bit like referring to Windows or Outlook as "Microsoft". I actually have met some people that do this, but I certainly don't envy their intellectual capabilities.
In meta-grammar (yes I just made that up) terms all words can be used as nouns if you're using the word to refer to the word itself rather than using the word to convey its intended meaning, but in a normal usage context the word "Japanese" is not a noun.
In your sentence Japanese is used as an adjective to describe anyone who is Japanese, otherwise you would be able to say "I think Japanese might disagree with you". Saying stuff like "A Japanese" to me just sounds like some redneck racist talking.
Nobody has, considering "Japanese" isn't a noun.
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Both are for "consumption"; one is portable.
The average person would never use the term "consumption" when describing the use of an entertainment device. Again you showed here that you are far from average personally, apart from iPad ownership issues.
He was quoting.. though he did use a semi-colon. But being able to write well is nothing to do with income, anyone can afford to read (ie library books). My family was pretty poor when I was a kid, but I read a lot and as a result my spelling is generally above average (certainly better "then" a lot of online comments I see).
Well I'm running Linux but my touchpad does have the scroll areas at the edge. Haven't seen any options to use it as a multitouch pad unfortunately. I'm unsure if my MBP would work with multitouch under Ubuntu, haven't tried (I just use it as a server these days). I definitely prefer the two finger touch over edge scrolling.
Even when it's not recording any personal information? I think it's vastly preferable to opt the clueless in and let those who care opt out. Leaving the ignorant to secure themselves against things they don't even know exist is really unhelpful. It would be like an email client that comes with no spam filter. Spam filters in Hotmail and Gmail technically have to sift through the contents of your personal emails, but nobody complains about that. To me this seems like a very similar situation.
It would have been much better of them to provide an opt-in option or give notice to existing customers, but for new customers I really think it should be an opt-out situation. If there was an ISP that did virus scanning of all files you download etc then I would probably recommend it to some of my more clueless family members and friends.
I don't pretend to have a good grasp of the situation, but you thinking that such things as laws are going to stop naughty people from doing naughty things isn't exactly well thought out either. And with all the "terror" excuses recently both the US and UK governments have taken liberty with the law in the name of security. Laws alone are a poor safeguard against this kind of stuff. It's like putting up a sign on your frontdoor saying "my door is unlocked, but if you open it and steal anything, I shall be very, very cross indeed!".
There are several encrypted VoIP services available, or you could always roll your own if you really wanted to guarantee security.
No, one of my gfs had that option on, I hated it. I also hate single tap for left click, but if the whole pad is a giant button then that could work, two finger clicking included.
I don't think I need to worry about the opinion of someone who thinks that encrypted digital communications are easier to snoop than analog telephone lines.
Forgot to mention, this isn't about privacy, this is about collecting anonymous data. They already have the capability to invade peoples' privacy silently if they really wanted, this is about a public system that they purport to only collect anonymous usage statistics. If they're lying, then it's fine with me to hang them from the rafters, but if they're telling the truth then everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
I'm not saying that companies won't do these things, but I have seen a lot of Slashdot discussions where people get things completely wrong, working themselves into a frenzy over nothing. I'm just trying to point out how this might not be as bad as the sensationalists are trying to make out.
The Phorm thing does make it more likely that they were trying to screw people over here, I wasn't aware of that until someone else mentioned it.
The personal attack was an emotional response to you saying I'm just bullshitting. I despise liars, and there would have to be some amazingly good reason to get me to lie. I can't think of many situations where it's worth it. Thankyou for your reasonable response, I guess I was just getting into defensive mode with all the crazies attacking me for suggesting that this whole thing may not be an evil plot to try to sell people things.
Well, you need to at least collect the unknown URLs to put into the good or bad database after they scan them, that might be where the "recording URLs" bit comes in.
Seriously, there have been so many stories like this where the comments are murderous and insane, then you find out after RTFA or someone posts a more informed comment that things weren't so bad after all. Then again there have been other comments that mention scummy things TalkTalk have done before so maybe they do have nefarious plans for this system, I don't know.
It's a possibility that they have actually designed the system similar to how you described it though, it would still match up to what TFA says. Without details then all this story serves to do is drive the privacy nuts apoplectic and get their frothy spit in everybody's eyes.
At least in America all of those pretences went out the window with the PATRIOT act.
The Data Protection Act covers collection of personal data just fine whether digitally or on paper.
It's you [insert tinfoil insult here] people that are fucking stupid when you start bleating about issues like this. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Even when there are serious breaches of privacy going on (and this doesn't count - it is recording anonymised data and therefore isn't even covered under the data protection act, because there is no fucking privacy violation happening) I just can't take you seriously any more.
Scrolling should be a lot nicer. The only couple of things I miss from my MBP are the multitouch scrolling (drag two fingers around to scroll), and the way you could hold down two fingers and click the button to simulate a right click. I've been back using a normal PC touchpad for over a year now but I still like that better than having two trackpad buttons.
A lot of games would still be better with a mouse though IMO, I guess because you use your wrist to control movement while your fingers are free for button control.
Yeah I think that's a bit silly, though they might just want usage statistics like how many dodgy/valid/unknown sites people try to visit per month to be able to judge whether it's worth having the filter in place at all.
Do you work for TalkTalk or something? Why are you bullshitting so much?
Actually if you look at my comment history you'll see that I do this kind of thing regularly on Slashdot, because people are always sensationalising and bullshitting themselves without actually reading TFA or thinking.
As you point out they probably are already recording sites that have been visited etc. But when they want to do something that could actually be beneficial to the world, you complain.
Yes, I don't think this will make things 100% secure, but it will help make them more secure. It would be similar to AV if they'd given the option to opt in or out.
Yeah, they claim. Do you have access to the systems doing the monitoring and so actually know that?
All we have is their claims, dumbass. All we ever have from any company is claims, unless they're audited. They could be recording everything already without your knowledge. This is a system that clearly will be known about by the public though, they're not trying to hide it if it's actually displaying messages to people that the site they are visiting is "potentially harmful" type thing. Gah, it's so frustrating how retarded you guys are sometimes.
Oh noes! Wait a second, your ISP already has access to everything you do online, as well as your real life name, address, bank account number, etc. Why would you suddenly start caring about them having access to that which they already have access to? If they really wanted to do something nefarious with this information, they could.
If you are actually submitting "personal data" that you don't want other people to see or record outside of an encrypted connection, you're an idiot.
I've only seen it once so probably will have missed a couple of things or not remember the details correctly, but here's a few things:
There's no reason his subconscious wouldn't be able to craft a top that falls over even in his dream - if he truly wanted to stay in that world he could be fooling himself. Maybe in the real world he doesn't even have kids.
Several other people (Saito being the main one at the end) also talk using similar words he did with his wife (or the other way round, I can't remember) in one of their private conversations.
His lifestyle is at James Bond levels of unrealism, with him able to outrun loads of armed goons and somehow have Saito magically come out of nowhere to rescue him etc.. now this is a typical movie thing so maybe we should just accept it, but even the girl pointed out how crazy and unrealistic his life is. This would mean that everyone else in the story is just a part of his subconscious though, unless they're all trapped in a dream too.
Though if it is all just a dream, why doesn't his wife just arrange a "kick" in his real life to wake him up? Unless everything in the movie is taking place in some crazy form of limbo where his dream goes at a million years a second or something like that.