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Behind the Special Effects of Inception

Lanxon writes "Wired has a behind the scenes look at how Inception's reality-distorting special effects sequences were shot, in an interview with Chris Corbould — the man 'prized for his ability to stage a real-life tank chase in St. Petersburg (GoldenEye), to flip a working juggernaut down a narrow Chicago street (The Dark Knight), and to build a working Batmobile that can do 30-metre jumps without the aid of a single post-production pixel.'" Hopefully most of you who intend to see Inception have already seen it by now, so you don't have to worry about spoilers. It's getting pretty much universal praise.

196 comments

  1. Spoiler Alert by Haffner · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's all a dream

    Just kidding. No one knows what the hell happened.

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    1. Re:Spoiler Alert by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      But was he dreaming at the end? That's what I want to know. I think he was, but some people don't agree with me.

    2. Re:Spoiler Alert by somaTh · · Score: 2, Informative

      The GP wasn't kidding. No one knows what the hell happened.

      Although, this guy seems to have some solid idea.

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      Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
    3. Re:Spoiler Alert by Stele · · Score: 1

      No - the top was wobbling and about to fall.

      I didn't feel the need for an "ambiguous" ending - I think it was powerful enough without one. I think it should have cut to black JUST as the top fell over and hit the table.

      Or, what would have been even more clever, was to have it start to wobble and then have his dad (?) walk by and snatch it off the table before it could fall.

    4. Re:Spoiler Alert by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I certainly think he was, though the filmmakers clearly chose to leave the question open, so I don't believe there is any "right" answer, here. In fact, I see three options:

      1) His wife was right that they were still dreaming, and that while she escaped, he remained trapped there, and that the final scene was him finally settling into that dream permanently. After all, he never did have his own totem (it was his wife's, if you recall). So there's no reason at all to believe that the fact it was toppling over in the early parts of the movie actually meant he was experiencing reality.

      2) In the drug den, he never actually woke up from testing the sleep drug. If you recall, when he spun the top, it fell off the sink. He never did get a chance to finish the test after being interrupted.

      3) At the end, he never actually escaped from limbo.

      Personally, I lean toward the first, although that might be a little "Dallas" for some. :)

    5. Re:Spoiler Alert by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      No - the top was wobbling and about to fall.

      The top had been spinning WAY too long at that point for reality to be in effect. In my mind, the question of whether or not he was dreaming at the end was a non-issue - he was dreaming. The real question was - was ANY of the movie not a dream to begin with. I think that the whole idea of shared dreams and the like, and relative ease with which everyone in a seemingly modern day world accept this as a normal thing, is evidence that the whole thing may have just been a dream.

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      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    6. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But was he dreaming at the end? That's what I want to know. I think he was, but some people don't agree with me.

      Yes, he was dreaming because his children hadn't grown and were wearing the same clothing as in his last memory of them.

    7. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was real. The point was to show that he abandons the top before he sees if it falls, and that it doesn't matter to him anymore if it's real or not, because he's gotten over his guilt about Mal, and is ready to just be with his kids. The top wobbles, which it never does in any of the dream levels in the movie, and that's enough for me. It cuts to black to leave the ending ambiguous for people who like that sort of thing. There are other cues that it's not a dream-- when his kids turn around we see that they've aged, which they never do in his dream/hallucination sequences. Also, in all of the dream sequences he wears his wedding ring, but he doesn't wear it in reality. It's sort of a "residual self image" thing, to use a Matrix term, because that's how he sees himself subconsciously. In the final sequence he's not wearing his wedding ring.

    8. Re:Spoiler Alert by flitty · · Score: 1

      Both sides have some merit: *spoilers*
      1) Awake: The top wobbles, the gun is shown and implied to be used at the end of the film, since Ken Watanabe still remembers his end of the bargain and remembers that he is dreaming.

      2) Dreaming: This one has more indicators pointing to it. He's wearing his wedding ring, which he only seems to do in his dreams. He spins the top, walks outside and the camera shows the top still spinning, which is a really long time for the top to spin. Also, Cobb is left in the Van with Saito in the river. Even if they did wake up from Limbo, they would be trapped 3 levels down, with no "kick" to get them out. However, if their top level were to be tipped over, they might wake up. However, Their inner ear "wakeup" doesn't seem to be triggered, since there is no indication of turbulance or Cobb being tossed around when he wakes up on the plane.

      Additionally, The credits list the kids at 2 ages, The girl sounds way too old on the phone for how young she is at the end.

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    9. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tell me... Was he wearing his wedding ring (dreaming) or not (not)? I was told this tidbit **after** I saw the flick...

    10. Re:Spoiler Alert by Cothol · · Score: 1

      As I interpret it he could't see his kids faces in the dream because he could not remember the details of how they look. At the end he did see their faces which means he did not dream.

      There you go, happy ending.

    11. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that it was a dream. I don't think we ever see the top fall in the movie. For example, when he spins it in the bathroom. But also, remember when that guy in the dream den, similar to an opium den, said, "They come here to wake up. Who are you to judge what is real?" I think they left it intentionally vague because they wanted the audience saying, "What if his wife was right all along?"

      However, what I'm more concerned about are the various plot holes. There are various things I can't reconcile. First, the most common one I've seen pointed out is why didn't the falling van wake them up? I could maybe understand the ones three levels deep not getting woken by the falling van in the first level, since they had to synchronize the kicks for a reason. But why didn't the guy in the second level get woken up by it?

      Next, and even more puzzling to me, is how "limbo" works. The whole thing about Cobb staying behind in Limbo makes no sense to me. Why couldn't he just come up with the rest and shake the Saito awake in the plane? Maybe you can't be woken that way from limbo. Maybe if he did that, Saito's mind would still be trapped?

      Further, the order of the limbo things happening was 1) Fisher dies, 2) Cobb and Ariadne use the device to go into limbo after Fisher from level 3, 3) Saito dies in level 1, 4) Cobb drowns in level 1, 5) Cobb finds Saito in limbo. OK, so we know that between 3 and 4, dozens of years go by in limbo. What was Cobb doing during this time? Why didn't he age? Was it that he did age and then when he drowned, he reentered limbo again as a young man? Is that why he couldn't remember anything except that he had to remind Saito of something nebulous? Was the whole movie him remembering what had happened? If so, why did it take so long for Cobb to find Saito? What was he doing all that time?

      Another problem is that Fisher died in his dream and went to limbo. Why didn't his dream get destroyed, since it was his dream? Maybe if you go to limbo, you leave your upper level dreams intact?

      There are also some problems with the time scale. It seems the guy in the hotel in level 2 would have had at most two minutes to get his cargo to the elevator, set the explosives, and detonate them. That seems implausible.

    12. Re:Spoiler Alert by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a movie, the whole thing was Nolan's dream. He shared it with us.

    13. Re:Spoiler Alert by Stele · · Score: 1

      I just read the link above and now I've changed my mind. I had forgotten about all the little "wake up Cobb" references throughout. I guess the thing that bothered me the most was that if it is HIS dream why are we seeing what all the other characters are doing individually? You would expect a movie about his dream to be entirely from his point of view.

    14. Re:Spoiler Alert by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Because they're supposedly parts of his subconscious/personality, and so are, in their own way, individual characters, involved in individual actions.

    15. Re:Spoiler Alert by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      But was he dreaming at the end? That's what I want to know. I think he was, but some people don't agree with me.

      Not to get all 'meta' on you here, but you're missing the point. The decision you're being led towards is more complex than 'yes/no':

      'Cobb got what he wanted either way, so it simply does not matter'.

      My PoV anyway...

    16. Re:Spoiler Alert by Minwee · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not a dream, but he's really a replicant.

    17. Re:Spoiler Alert by Stele · · Score: 1

      Yeah, ok. You guys are so logical. I enjoyed the movie a lot, but got choked up at the end when he finally got to see his kids. I wanted to rush home and wake mine up and hug them. Guess I'm sentimental, and wanted it all to be real for him.

    18. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish I hadn't already commented on this thread so I could mod this up.

    19. Re:Spoiler Alert by dominious · · Score: 1
      Wow, are there two versions of this movie?
      First AC:

      Yes, he was dreaming because his children hadn't grown and were wearing the same clothing as in his last memory of them.

      Second AC:

      There are other cues that it's not a dream-- when his kids turn around we see that they've aged, which they never do in his dream/hallucination sequences

      Or everyone here just say whatever they want?

    20. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 4, Funny

      He was dreaming at the end, the top didn't fall. Considering the slow zoom in on the top, if the filmmaker intended anyone to interpret the ending as reality, the top would have fallen. The wobble was just to elicit groans from the audience as it failed to fall, and made us start cranking our minds to figure out what happened.

      The simple and non-ambiguous ending is that he is in a dream because Saito shot him. The last scene before Cobb woke up was Saito picking up a handgun. This was Saito's plan all along. He sent Cobb back to limbo after planting the idea (inception) that Cobb would be able to make it through customs. This allowed him to life a life with his kids. Well, his creepy fake dream kids.

      There are many more complicated theories, but I think this is the intended "obvious" ending.

    21. Re:Spoiler Alert by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I agree that it was a dream. I don't think we ever see the top fall in the movie

      Wrong. There are multiple times where he spins it and the top falls.

      It is worth noting that in the end, the top starts to waver just before the screen goes blank. In every example they showed of the top never falling over, it was 100% solid and stable in its rotation...not even a smidgen of wobble.

      Also, when he sees his kid's faces, they still look super young...but when they hug him and he grabs them up (in which you don't see their faces), their bodies are noticeably larger than the little kids they looked like.

      The top wavering and the kids changing size led me to believe that he was in fact awake, and the end was real.

    22. Re:Spoiler Alert by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Are your dreams always from your point of view? I'm serious, not trying to be a jerk. Mine aren't. Sometimes they are from someone else's or even from a sort of omnipresent viewpoint, or perhaps like a camera or something. I thought everyone had dreams like that occasionally.

    23. Re:Spoiler Alert by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Guess I'm sentimental, and wanted it all to be real for him.

      It is real for him, regardless of whether it is a dream or not.

      Just like those were real emotions that you were feeling, despite it all being fiction on a screen.

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    24. Re:Spoiler Alert by johncadengo · · Score: 1

      I've been seeing this response a lot lately. Where is Derrida when you need him? I'd argue that the film's answer isn't "It was all a dream" or "It was real" because the film's question isn't "Was it real?" or "Is this real?" The question is "What is real?" In other words, "What does it mean for something to be real?" And the answer inevitably deconstructs the tension between dreams/reality, at once perceiving and creating thought beyond category. The distinction between dreams/reality relies on the concept of reality in the same way that the distinction between raw/cooked relies on the concept of cooked. Before you knew the concept of cooked, food wasn't raw/cooked, food just was.

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    25. Re:Spoiler Alert by fbjon · · Score: 1

      That's what I think too, in fact the older kids were different actors even. Cutting away just before the top falls over is really just a last gimmick thrown in, to remind the audience that it's impossible to be sure.

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    26. Re:Spoiler Alert by Stele · · Score: 1

      I can't think of a time when I wasn't me in a dream. But then, I dream movies - seriously, from the poster to the credits. It's weird.

    27. Re:Spoiler Alert by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Are you involved in film making? Did watching movies as a kid mean something special to you? I play role playing games a lot, and part of me wants to be a writer (though I can't stick with anything long enough to make it work) and I think that's affected my dreams. Even when I'm not lucid dreaming I'm sometimes watching what's going on more than actually being present directly.

    28. Re:Spoiler Alert by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      I have been thinking about your second version since seeing that scene. I kept looking for references to the rest of the movie being his dream. Because of that I was not surprised by the top spinning at the end. I am satisfied with not knowing, or with there being no right answer though. It was a good movie, and holds together fairly well (though I also woke up wondering why Cobb did not age in limbo after staying behind . . . just saw this yesterday btw).

    29. Re:Spoiler Alert by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the obvious ending is that we're not supposed to know.

      I think its quite obvious the director wanted to have a good 'hehe, I'm not telling' inside joke with his audience, and I'm good with that.

      Your version is just one possibility of how things may have turned out. The truth is, we weren't told.

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      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
    30. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ok, this might not be the place for this, but I'm pretty sure this is the real deal (spoilers, obviously):

      When Cobb's wife killed herself, she was correct in thinking that they lived in a dream. She escaped into reality. When he didn't wake up, she went back in to rescue him. She's pulling a Mr. Charles, posing as part of his own unconscious. However, her attempts to get him to realize he was dreaming were always based on making his dream life worse, which as Cobb tells us, doesn't work. Positive feelings are stronger.

      In the end, she creates an inception in him-- the idea of a friend coming into his dreams to rescue him, and the idea that escaping from the dream will allow him to be with his loved ones. The Inception works, but takes some time to grow-- so he doesn't snap out of things immediately, but the top spinning at the end is a sign that the process has worked.

      The big question in my mind is, who in the dream is real? Is Mal pulling the Inception all by herself, or are some of the characters members of her team? My guess is that Ariadne and Saito are part of Mal's team, or else she's sometimes masquerading as them (the way the forger does).

    31. Re:Spoiler Alert by city · · Score: 2, Informative

      He wasn't dreaming at the end, the top wobbled. Considering the slow zoom in on the top, if the filmmaker intended anyone to interpret the ending as dream, the top wouldn't have wobbled. The wobble was just to elicit groans from the audience as it started to fall, and made us start cranking our minds to figure out what happened.

      The simple and non-ambiguous ending is that he isn't in a dream because Saito shot him, waking him up. The last scene before Cobb woke up was Saito picking up a handgun. This was Cobb's plan all along. He sent Fischer back to reality after planting the idea (inception) that Fischer would be able to break up his father's empire. This allowed Cobb to live a life with his kids. Well, his creepy motherless kids.

      There are many more complicated theories, but I think this is the intended "obvious" ending.

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    32. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      The kids' ages don't quite work out. At the end, they appear to be different kids, but close to the same age, wearing identical (or close to identical) clothing, sitting in the same position in the same landscape as whenever Cobb imagines them. However, at the beginning of the movie when he talks to them on the phone, they're both older than either in his memory or at the end of the movie.

      But of course it's also a little strange that he doesn't really have any memory of his kids' faces until the end of the movie. The whole thing doesn't quite make sense.

    33. Re:Spoiler Alert by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, ok. You guys are so logical. I enjoyed the movie a lot, but got choked up at the end when he finally got to see his kids. I wanted to rush home and wake mine up and hug them. Guess I'm sentimental, and wanted it all to be real for him.

      That's actually kinda the point, though. The movie philosophy is really rooted in the old idea that reality is in the mind. If you hold to that belief, then it doesn't matter that, in the end, he was asleep, as to him, what he was experiencing is reality.

    34. Re:Spoiler Alert by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      No - the top was wobbling and about to fall.

      I think the end shot was amazingly well done: I walked out and thought it was a little too obvious the top was about to fall over for a truly ambiguous ending, I wanted the end to be that he was awake and that was reality.

      My wife thought it was obvious that the top didn't wobble at all and the end shot was proof it was a dream. She thought it being a dream fit with the movie better, and that Cobb was okay with it being a dream or didn't notice. She wanted it to be a dream. To that end, the top could have been wobbling over crumbs or imperfections in the table, not slowing down.

      I think that's an extremely well done ambiguous ending if we both walked out of the movie utterly convinced of opposite interpretations that we wanted, over a top wobbling of all things. It was completely brilliant. I wonder how many times they shot that top, or how many tops they tried before it was completely ambiguous.

      (we briefly thought my interpretation of it not being a dream had something with the "In a dream, you don't know how you got from one place to the next, and he knew how he got from the airport to his house: his father in law drove him" but then realized that wasn't actually shown)

      Or, what would have been even more clever, was to have it start to wobble and then have his dad (?) walk by and snatch it off the table before it could fall.

      To me, that would have implied he was controlling Cobb's dream, and I'd be asking myself "Would he have had an interest in keeping Cobb suspended in a purgatory-like dream state?"

    35. Re:Spoiler Alert by mr.dreadful · · Score: 1

      My wife and I were trying to figure out Michael Caine's character -- when we meet him, isn't he in a classroom in Paris? And yet, it appears he lives in America since he picks up LDC's character at an American airport. So maybe thats all a dream as well. or, this movie has really crappy continuity problems! :-) (it doesn't... I think)

    36. Re:Spoiler Alert by genner · · Score: 1

      It's not a dream, but he's really a replicant.

      I didn't see any electric sheep.

    37. Re:Spoiler Alert by mea37 · · Score: 1

      Several interpretations are possible; yours is not one of them.

      In the scene you mention, you suggest that Saito shot Cobb to send him to limbo; not possible, as they were already in limbo. The only precident we have for what happens if you die in Limbo is - you wake up. So the ambiguity of that scene is, did Saito actually shoot Cobb (waking him up), or not? That we didn't see the gunshot suggests not, and we are not told what happens instead.

      There is also no possibility that Saito performed inception, particularly not by telling Cobb something while he was awake.

    38. Re:Spoiler Alert by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      Cobb does go into Caine's character's (the grandfather) classroom with something to bring back to the states for the kids, so there is the expectation that the grandfather does travel back and forth, indeed the kids are living with the grandmother. So I think that part makes sense. But he (grandfather) does implore Cobb to come back to reality in that scene . . . something that made me think at the time that perhaps the whole movie is a dream. But I rather think that part is "real" life.

    39. Re:Spoiler Alert by IICV · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eh? I thought the obvious ending was that his wife was right, and they were still in a dream even after getting run over by a train. Her projection even points it out, that he's being chased by a faceless international corporation (aka someone else's projections are hunting him down).

      Further, as is common with most movies, everything begins in medias res, or in the middle of things - we don't have any idea what he was doing before the movie started (or before the prequel comic, if you read that), everything just gets going. Several times in the movie they point out that one of the ways you can tell you're in a dream is that you don't know how you got to the present state, you just assume there's a reason and go with the flow. We just don't notice it in reference to the movie itself because that's how movies work, but really think about it - what was Cobb doing before going into Saito's head? What was he doing before the Kobol heist in the comic? Everything just kinda started.

      What of the other characters? Well, we see quite frequently that Cobb is capable of projecting his own subconscious into other people's dreams (Mal, the train). All we need to do is apply that to them. He's projecting the main characters of the movie into the dream, in order to provide his own backup. Isn't it just convenient that all the people he needs exist and are free, or can be convinced to join in? We as viewers of a movie don't think twice about that, because that's included in the basic structure of a heist movie; you have to gather the best experts in the field, after all. However, in real life, someone as talented as Eames probably wouldn't just be sitting around in Africa doing nothing, he'd have his own agenda.

      On further inspection, it's pretty clear that the various characters can also be described in terms of Cobb. Arthur and Eames are just blatantly obvious: Arthur is Cobb's cold logic, capable of perplexing logical twists, quiet and methodological, rule-bound but those rules can be incredibly complex (see his explanation of the infinite staircase and his use of it in combat, for instance, or his rocket propelled elevator idea). Eames, on the other hand, is wild inspiration and crazy dreams, with his leaps of illogic (he's the only character who expresses any interest in knowing what Fisher finds in the chamber, for instance). For example, when the idea of inception was presented to Arthur, he immediately said "no, it's not possible" - he clearly knows it can be done, but what he's saying is we can't do it. Eames immediately says "Oh yeah, totally doable", because his ego knows no bounds.

      Ariadne (the architect lady) is a little more subtle. Notice how she is insistent on the fact that the "top" level of the movie is the real world? Well, if she is a projection like Mal, then she's a manifestation of Cobb's belief that the "top" level is the topmost level of the dreams, whereas the Mal projection is a manifestation of Cobb's belief that the "top" level is not the topmost level. They fight, Ariadne wins.

      The Indian chemist guy I have no idea, he's just kinda there. In terms of a heist movie he's the scaredy cat comic relief character, but he's very subdued and pretty much just a bland generic projection.

      Further, in theory Cobb's top doesn't stop spinning if he's in a dream. Watch closely - he never leaves the top alone long enough to know if it's real or not. He always stops it partway, or it falls off the sink, or something; he never just sits and watches it spin until it stops. Of course, mimicking the weight and feel of the top would require someone else had touched to totem before, but that's not hard - we don't know what's happened in a theoretical "higher" level, and in fact because it's Mal's totem she would know it intimately as well.

      There's lots more I'm sure, but I've only seen the movie once. However, I think in the final analysis you will find quite a few hints that the movie is intended to bring you to the conclusion that Cobb is in fact still dreaming, and that the layer that is the "top" in the movie is not the "top" in reality.

    40. Re:Spoiler Alert by Kreigaffe · · Score: 1

      You should have been watching for unicorns

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    41. Re:Spoiler Alert by rnelsonee · · Score: 1

      When Cobb was killed in limbo, how do you know he died? We know being killed gets you out of limbo - not only did it work before (with Cobb and Mol) but may have also worked while they were on the plane, because Adriana killed herself in limbo and woke up. When they woke up, there was no machine hooked up to them (the flight attendant had removed it) so they were no longer under heavy sedation.

    42. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some other reasons it was probably all a dream: (A) The hotel rooms when his wife was on the ledge were mirror images of each other, one destroyed, one not. (B) the references to his action packed espionage lifestyle being far fetched, (C) His token was actually HERS, and (D) her token was her burred secret.

      Still, it could go either way.

    43. Re:Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree he was dreaming, his kids had the exact to same outfits as earlier in the film. In the end you hear the top fall over when the screen goes black, or least that what I thought. Also the totem isn't his it's his wife's, which suggest it's also misdirection.

      I'm pretty sure the whole film is about him being stuck in limbo. The inception is the idea planted in the audiences head about what the movie is about.

    44. Re:Spoiler Alert by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      Unless the laws of physics in his reality were screwy, the top wavering signified that he was not dreaming. Once a top starts to wobble, it means that it's state of equilibrium is faltering and that it will definitely fall over eventually.

    45. Re:Spoiler Alert by Zot+Quixote · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's kind of a fresh and interesting interpretation. Sort of makes me like the film a little more which, at risk of getting flamed/downmodded, I found kind of mediocre. No I don't agree with Armond White or anything, but I do think the reviewer who said, "I can't see what all the excitement is about" summed up my feelings.

      Oh yeah, and for what its worth, I've studied film and literary criticism before.

    46. Re:Spoiler Alert by ADRA · · Score: 1

      "Things - we don't have any idea what he was doing before the movie started (or before the prequel comic, if you read that), everything just gets going. Several times in the movie they point out that one of the ways you can tell you're in a dream"..

      I had the same first impression of the story while I was watching the film. I imagined that his kids were really dead and that he went into a long sleep to 'be' with them again. I could still hold the opinion, but the movie didn't really have that type of feel to it. You can wrap yourself up as many times as you like, but I think it was pretty well established that there were no cheats in the 'real' world to make one assume that it wasn't the real world (except for the end, but that's a result of his reawakening or not).

      What really left me with a big question. The lead up as I gathered is:
      1. In order to wake up from the dream, you have to: die (in the dream), subconsciously wake oneself up (described as a 'kick'), or die in reality (in which case you're really dead)
      2. Dreamers inside the dream receive the same requirements
      3. The first layer hack's wake up was the feeling of falling (hitting the truck against the rail then water)
      4. The second layer hack was the same (hitting the elevator floor)
      5. Due to chemicals used, dreamers that die drop into 'limbo' which is the left over cruft of all dreamer's subconscious
      6. Cobb is VERY afraid of people falling into limbo, because they would have to wait a long time (weeks in 2nd level dreaming, years when in 3rd level dream) in limbo before being able to escape

      It turns out that the way out of limbo is to kill yourself?? I thought the big thing with being in limbo was that there was no way out until you eventually woke up. The way it was portrayed in the film, you could just get out of limbo if you 'die(in your dream)'. Doesn't that just defeat the whole fear of going to limbo to begin with? I mean Cobb's first foray into limbo only ended when they killed themselves. How could he not care to share that fact with everyone else? Can anyone clear this one up?

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    47. Re:Spoiler Alert by mea37 · · Score: 1

      If we never saw the top fall at any point in the movie, that would be a reasonable explanation. I'm almost 100% sure we did, though - specifically, juxtaposed with the dialog in which he explained that in a dream it never falls.

    48. Re:Spoiler Alert by copec · · Score: 1

      If everything in the movie really is a part of a dream and we never really saw reality then you can't trust the facts presented by the movie, they are at best completely inconsistent, and more likely completely imaginary. Cobb in reality could really not have a wife or kids--He could be a middle aged woman in Baltimore. The only thing we can take away from the last sequence is "What is imaginary and what is real?" as the movie emphasizes over and over again.

    49. Re:Spoiler Alert by RivieraKid · · Score: 1

      Some other reasons it was probably all a dream: (A) The hotel rooms when his wife was on the ledge were mirror images of each other, one destroyed, one not.

      I don't think we can assume that any scene from his memory of his wife are necessarily 100% accurate - he was clearly shaping the dream world of her so the similarity of the rooms could just be artistic license on his part. Plus, I've stayed in hotels in Tokyo with a similar layout - look out the window and what you think is a different hotel is actually the same on and those rooms were fitted out identically. Most hotels would do that and especially rooms on the same floor would most likely be the same size and therefore have the same internal layout.

      (B) the references to his action packed espionage lifestyle being far fetched,

      What "action packed" lifestyle? He was an "architect", and he's on the run so must keep on the move. Maybe it's just semantics, but I wouldn't call that action packed espionage...

      (C) His token was actually HERS, and (D) her token was her burred secret.

      Not sure of the point you're trying to make here - your totem only really has to be an item you can keep with you that only you know intimately. It's implied that no living person can know of it (since a dead person cannot create or enter dreams. The fact that it used to be hers and that she tried to forget her past life (which the totem was the last symbol of) are completely consistent.

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    50. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      If you die when shot in limbo, why were they using a complicated 3-level kick to get out of their dreams? The only reason they went to limbo in the first place is because they were heavily sedated. Death in limbo would not wake them up. If it would have, the guy in the van could have just shot them all to wake them up.

      There is also no possibility that Saito performed inception, particularly not by telling Cobb something while he was awake.

      Not "performed inception" in the sense of "implanted an idea by going 3+ levels deep in someone's head", no. But you don't have to invade someone's dreams to give them an idea.

    51. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      I do think there are a lot of hints in the movie that none of it may have been real. But I still consider this a "hidden" or more complicated explanation, where "Saito shot Cobb" is the straight forward easily-supported one. In particular, believing the whole movie is a dream requires disbelief in the entire idea of totems, or at least that Cobb's top was a valid totem.

      Don't get me wrong, I do think the question of whether Cobb's totem was accurate is valid. Especially when they say it was Mal's totem originally. The best argument against the theory that the whole thing is a dream though, is again, the totem not falling at the end. If Cobb was in a dream at the end, which he believed was real, his totem would have fallen, just like did in the "top" level dream, which he thought was real.

      Several times in the movie they point out that one of the ways you can tell you're in a dream is that you don't know how you got to the present state, you just assume there's a reason and go with the flow. We just don't notice it in reference to the movie itself because that's how movies work, but really think about it - what was Cobb doing before going into Saito's head?

      This is one of the more infuriating topics they bring up in the movie :) As you said, due to the nature of movies, we never have access to the full flow of every minute here-to-there. Does that mean the film is meant to imply there was no here-to-there? It's hard to say.

    52. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      It turns out that the way out of limbo is to kill yourself?? I thought the big thing with being in limbo was that there was no way out until you eventually woke up. The way it was portrayed in the film, you could just get out of limbo if you 'die(in your dream)'. Doesn't that just defeat the whole fear of going to limbo to begin with? I mean Cobb's first foray into limbo only ended when they killed themselves. How could he not care to share that fact with everyone else? Can anyone clear this one up?

      Those are good questions, and I'm not sure the movie provided the answers. I sort of got the impression that Mal and Cobb were not heavily sedated when they went into "limbo" - it was really just limbo because they stayed in it so long, and used real world buildings, and forgot it was a dream. If that's true, limbo really equals any dream you don't realize is a dream.

      If that's true, death would have gotten Mal and Cobb out of that limbo, but wouldn't get Saito and Cobb out of their limbo, just, presumably, send them to another (still heavily sedated, perhaps even deeper/slower time-passage) level of limbo.

    53. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this. I do think the movie puts Mal and Cobb's kids in questionable enough light that I could believe they never existed at all. But a movie where everything you hear is a meaningless lie seems like it would be a pretty meaningless movie. So I still hope that wasn't the intended interpretation of the movie.

    54. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      I mentioned this above, and that it isn't 100% certain, buuut:

      1) Cobb and Mal got out of limbo with death only because they weren't heavily sedated at the time. The reason they ended up in limbo wasnt from death while sedated, it was from staying in a life-like dream so long they forgot it was a dream.

      2) Saito and Cobb are heavily sedated, and thats the only reason they went to limbo in the first place. Their bodies couldn't wake up without a kick. (falling)

      3) Ariadne didn't get out because she died, she got out because of the falling sensation from jumping off the building, paired with the simultaneous falling sensation in the other 3 levels above their limbo.

      4) It's possible (just realizing this) that time moved so slowly in Saitos limbo that he could have, after killing Cobb, jumped out his building and "caught" the kick as well to wake up. However, he would still have get out of the van in the first dream level before drowning. The movie seemed to show enough of the other guys getting out of the van in level 1 to indicate that didn't happen.

    55. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      In that case the movie is about how unreliable inception is: everyone left the theater with a different idea :)

    56. Re:Spoiler Alert by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 1

      Directed by M. Night Shyamalan

    57. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, some reviewer theorized that the movie was a metaphor for making movies. I think he's on to something, but it's not that simple.

      One of the interesting aspects of the whole thing is how dream logic and movie logic so often overlap. For example, they talk in the movie about just finding yourself somewhere; the dream begins in-progress. The transitions aren't all spelled out. You're one place, and then your another place, but you don't necessarily know how you got there. People masquerade as other people. You suspend your disbelieve and accept large gaps in logic. That's how movies work.

      I don't think I buy it as a strict metaphor (e.g. "the architect" is the screenplay author), but I think Nolan is definitely aware of the overlaps in the rules, and he's using those overlaps. He's using the fact that movies are inherently dream-like to give you a movie that (I believe) every frame is taking place in a dream, but you don't question it. You're inclined to accept the gaps in logic because you often do when you're watching a movie. You're willing to accept a quick cut where the characters end up someplace new and you don't know how they got there, because movies do it all the time. So even though several things in the movie should tip you off that it's all Cobb's dream, you don't realize it until the end.

    58. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Given Nolan's previous work and attention to detail, I think there probably is an answer and it exists in the movie. I think if you knew the entire story, if you had it explained to you, then you'd realize there are lots of things that people say and do that unquestionably support that interpretation. You'd go, "Oh, so that's why she said [whatever] when she saw [some random thing]! It's because she was saying [something else that you didn't even realize was going on]!"

      However, I think he means to make that truth a bit hard to pick up on the first viewing. Maybe it's even so complicated or subtle that none of us will decipher it, but I think it's probably there.

    59. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't think Cobb has any kids in reality. As far as what we're presented with, he has no recollection of their faces. He doesn't seem to have any memories of them at all except for one haunting image in a particular location, of them wearing particular clothing and sitting in a specific position, but never getting a chance to see their faces.

      Then at the end of the movie, the kids are in the same location in the same place wearing the same clothing. It really doesn't make much sense unless you assume the entire movie is a dream, and his kids aren't real.

    60. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I basically agree with your interpretation. I think that the entire movie is definitely a dream, but I think there are lots of hints that someone is trying to convince Cobb that he is in a dream. (Characters pointing out how ridiculous and dream-like his life is, and people telling him things like, "You need to wake up.") So the question is, where is that coming from? Is it just Cobb subconsciously understanding that he's in a dream and trying to wake himself up?

      I think it's more likely that someone is attempting an inception on him, and that some of the characters are not projections of Cobb's unconscious. It's not clear which characters (I'm guessing Mal, Saito, and Ariadne), but some of the characters may be a team who are trying to instill an idea in Cobb the way that, on the surface-level plot, they're trying to instill an idea in Fischer.

    61. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      Another remote possibility, based on some comments about Cobb having gone to limbo and had his mind turned somewhat to mush:

      Maybe Mal and the kids were in his limbo, and never existed in reality. This could be why Mal keeps breaking into his dreams - thats the only place she ever existed. This idea kind of breaks from people saying things about Mal as if they had met her, but it's possible they had met her as a projection in a dream before she killed herself in one. Once she did that in a dream Cobb started thinking of her as dead and vengeful, so thats how she kept reappearing.

      On top of what you said about the kids, it's not clear when they were born. The kids weren't in limbo with Mal and Cobb, seemingly. But then she seemed to go crazy shortly afterwards, and the kids jumped from non-existant to ~3+ years old for the older kid.

      It's a long shot, but just another possible interpretation of this crazy movie.

    62. Re:Spoiler Alert by mahadiga · · Score: 1

      It's all hypnotism.

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    63. Re:Spoiler Alert by Skeptic+Ace · · Score: 1

      You're dreaming! The cake isn't real and don't drink the Kool-Aid, take the blue pill. If she could go back and rescue him, all she had to do was take out a Colt 45 and shoot him. Unless she woke up strapped down in a scientific laboratory. She seems too boring and plain for a subject of scientific inquiry. Furthermore, she was too villainous, all the Jordanians in my theater clapped when she died. They almost got me clapping but the movie was not yet over. Take the characters at face value, do they deserve to live or to they deserve to remain a figment of your imagination?

    64. Re:Spoiler Alert by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      The credits lists two sets of kids or does nobody else stick around to read them except me? Thought so...

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    65. Re:Spoiler Alert by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      The top wavering and the kids changing size led me to believe that he was in fact awake, and the end was real.

      It's doesn't matter whether the top continues to spin or we know it falls over. What matters is that Cobb (De-Caprio) knows he has come back to reality, eventually he will.

      I suspect that the directors may have wanted to box the film in uncertainty and that once we observe the outcome the film loses it's power. Best film I've seen in many years.

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    66. Re:Spoiler Alert by Sporkus · · Score: 1

      I'm a fan of the wedding ring theory as well.

    67. Re:Spoiler Alert by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      The ring is interesting. My take on that is the ring indicates Cobb has gotten over Mal, with Ariadne's help. This is also why Mal won't show up to torture him in the final scene's dream world.

    68. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      If she could go back and rescue him, all she had to do was take out a Colt 45 and shoot him.

      How do we know that? Why didn't Cobb simply kill Mal when they were in limbo, instead of pulling an inception? Why didn't Mal simply kill Cobb before she committed suicide?

    69. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's possible, but I think you might be going too far into doubting everything, to a point of approaching the idea that everything that happens in the movie is meaningless. As someone else pointed out, maybe even Cobb isn't real. Maybe he's a figment of someone else's imagination. But then at some point, you have to really wonder why you should care about anything happening in the movie at all

      I think you have to assume that Cobb is a real guy and that, even if the whole movie is a dream, there is a dream logic to it. The emotional reality to the film is real.

      I also think it makes sense to assume that some aspects of the world, some of the rules, are real. For example, I think we should accept that it's possible for people to enter each other's dreams, and that even if the entire movie is Cobb's dream, at least 1 other person in the movie is probably real. We should accept that the totems should probably work, but only by the rules that are set in the movie. Stuff like that.

    70. Re:Spoiler Alert by jayme0227 · · Score: 1

      I don't believe the ending was that we aren't supposed to know, but that it doesn't matter. At this point, his dream IS his reality, much the same as the people who were dreaming when they went to find the sedative guy.

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    71. Re:Spoiler Alert by Minwee · · Score: 1

      I still think he should have kept his original name, M. Night Jojo Jr. Shabadoo.

    72. Re:Spoiler Alert by Skeptic+Ace · · Score: 1

      How do we know that?

      That's how people leave the dream world.

      Cobb wanted Mal to go on her own.

      Why didn't Mal simply kill Cobb before she committed suicide?

      Good question, why didn't she? Would that make the whole story mute? She didn't need to, I don't think she really could have kill him because someone from his subconscious would probably stopped her. Who knows? The fact is she could have, but didn't. Thank goodness she's gone and dead for real!

    73. Re:Spoiler Alert by nine-times · · Score: 1

      How do we know that?

      That's how people leave the dream world.

      Yeah, but how do we know that? We know that *sometimes* being killed in your dream wakes you up, but sometimes it sends you to limbo. We have a random explanation that's given in the movie, but which doesn't quite make sense.

    74. Re:Spoiler Alert by Skeptic+Ace · · Score: 1

      *sometimes* meets certain criteria. It's in the movie. The explanation is not random.

    75. Re:Spoiler Alert by blai · · Score: 1

      he never leaves the top alone long enough to know if it's real or not. He always stops it partway, or it falls off the sink, or something; he never just sits and watches it spin until it stops

      0:15:12
      0:33:16
      The top stopped spinning on its own twice on the supposed "real life" level. Bonus: he sat and watched it spin until it stopped for the 0:15:12 occasion.
      It is one of those movies you simply must obtain after watching it in the theatre.

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  2. MPAA by bonch · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Once again, all inclinations to boycott the MPAA go out the window the moment the next summer flick comes out.

  3. Not much content by DIplomatic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The "article" is only a couple of paragraphs, but it's worth the click to see the pic if nothing else.

    I assumed the gravity special effects were all CG, but it's great to know they were done physically!

    1. Re:Not much content by flitty · · Score: 1

      No kidding. I was hoping for a bit of a "how we did this or that" explaination for how they built the hallway and what kind of rig they had to use to spin it, etc. The kind of stuff that the effects designer can get into minute details describing.

      Oh well, guess i'll have to watch it on the DVD extras and get the "glossy" version which just skims over the information.

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    2. Re:Not much content by baturkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's more detail and pictures in this American Cinematographer article:

      http://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/July2010/Inception/page1.php

  4. That's Easy! by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wired has a behind the scenes look at how Inception's reality-distorting special effects sequences were shot

    That's easy, the just shot the whole movie with an iPhone 4 and invited Steve Jobs to the set.. all the reality distortion you'll ever need!

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    1. Re:That's Easy! by CajunArson · · Score: 1

      Offtopic mod... well it looks like some Slashdot mods have no sense of humor when dealing with satire of their God-Emperor... sheesh.

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    2. Re:That's Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For once we had a somewhat interesting discussion on Slashdot that didn't degenerate into an Apple fanboy/hater flame fest, yet you tried to ruin it for everyone. Off-topic and/or flamebait moderations are better than you deserve.

  5. Wired Spolier by tekrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's the spoiler: The Slashdot summary is about as long as the article it links to. WTF? Who allows crap like this to get on the front page?

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    1. Re:Wired Spolier by Degro · · Score: 1

      kdawson must have hacked cmdrtaco's account!

  6. Haven't Seen Inception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds good. But why should I go to the theater when I have a perfectly good theater here at home? I think it's funny that everyone assumes "if you want to see it, you have by now." Going to the theater is expensive and not as positive an experience as watching movies at home. I understand paying a premium to watch live theater but we should be well past the "pay per seat experience" when it comes to movies. Going to the theater is just propping up outdated business models. And some of us have matured beyond the "I will pay a premium to see it when it is NEW!" and into the "I will see it when I get around to it and it's cheap" stage of life.

    That said, special effects are cool.

    1. Re:Haven't Seen Inception by pinkj · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, but not everyone can afford the time or resources for a good home theater with calibrated 5.1 audio monitors and cinema display.

    2. Re:Haven't Seen Inception by mp3LM · · Score: 1

      You can liken it to going out to eat food. It's cheaper and more comfortable to do either at home, but sometimes you just need to get out and spending a few extra bucks now and then is not the end of the world.

    3. Re:Haven't Seen Inception by sakdoctor · · Score: 1

      What about the "I will see it when I can do so in the privacy of my home with family/friends, and no jerks ruining the experience, regardless of cost" stage of life?

      First cam torrent: - Quality + Immediateness + Private venue.
      First non-cam: + Quality + Immediateness + Private venue.
      Cinema: + Quality + Immediateness - Private venue.
      DVD: + Quality -- Immediateness + Private venue

      First non-cam wins, even when price isn't factored in at all.
      Film industry: Please add value to your product by optimizing your offering.

    4. Re:Haven't Seen Inception by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      WHOOSH! Inception was considered a big gamble, being a very different movie, big budget, and no ability to relate the story in the trailers. If you liked Inception better than standard turn-your-brain-off faire, paying for the movie in some way tells the executives to back off and let the artists do what they want more of the time. As soon as you say you'll pirate, you have no voice as far as businesses are concerned. I agree torrents are a better product than DVDs (therefore I avoid both), but beyond that you sound more self-centered than the execs who are making you complain in the first place.

      Sorry to flame but it's hard to oppose the media companies when it implies I support people like you. If you don't want to pay, learn to boycott properly, then come and complain.

    5. Re:Haven't Seen Inception by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Word.

      This is a rare instance where "vote with your wallet" can be exercised in a positive sense rather than the typical negative. I want more movies like this and less Michael Bay crap. I went to the theater and paid for the movie, and I will be buying the DVD/Blu-Ray when it comes out.

      Send a message, folks. Pay for it if you like it.

  7. Nolan is better without FX by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There wasn't hardly anything in the way of special effects in "Memento," and not much in "The Prestige." Yet those were his two best films and much better than this. "Inception" isn't *bad*, mind you. But the fact that people are concentrating so much on its visual effects is probably a good sign that the script isn't strong enough to carry the movie by itself. Everyone walked out of "Memento" way more blown away than they were from this movie, and no one was saying it was because of the cool FX. The farther away Nolan gets from Batcycles and FX, the more he has to concentrate on the script. And that's a good thing.

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    1. Re:Nolan is better without FX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'lf. Everyone walked out of "Memento" way more blown away than they were from this movie'

      No. Not everyone. A lot of people were completely confused by memento and didn't even get the ending. Inception was less though provoking than memento but this is largely because inception was far more accessibly and, dare I say it, mainstream. You could fairly say that the two movies are for different audiences— and that the real accomplishment was that Inception is satisfactory, if not ideal, for both.

    2. Re:Nolan is better without FX by Stele · · Score: 1

      I don't know what movie you (or many) people saw but there aren't *THAT* many special effects in this. Yeah the bending city and the falling apart city, but that was hardly overdone. They probably spent more time on the van going off the bridge sequence, effects-wise, and the vast majority of people wouldn't look at that sequence and say "look at those effects!".

      Personally I feel the best effects are the ones you don't see and by that account Forrest Gump had far more effects than this movie, and nobody would say FG was an "effects movie".

    3. Re:Nolan is better without FX by pinkj · · Score: 1

      I found the script to be very good for Inception. It didn't top Memento for me, but it was cleverly written and edited. I liked the FX, but I didn't feel this was an FX film. I don't see how many people would feel about it either as they weren't that many.

      The Wired article is hardly worth mentioning as it focused on the rotating room which has been used since Fred Astaire had danced on the ceiling in Royal Wedding

    4. Re:Nolan is better without FX by ArbitraryDescriptor · · Score: 1

      Memento and Inception both have underlying plots that require a bit of digging and discussion to bring out; but Memento's 'default' plot still took effort to follow. If people don't want to analyze Inception to bring out the hidden story, they don't have to; it still works.

    5. Re:Nolan is better without FX by mconeone · · Score: 1

      Yet those were his two best films and much better than this.

      That's just like... your opinion, man. According to http://www.rottentomatoes.com:
      Memento: 92%
      The Prestige: 75%
      Inception: 86%

      Sometimes a movie can have a good plot and good fx. I for one thought it was very well done in both areas.

    6. Re:Nolan is better without FX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but when you've seen Memento once, it's not a surprise anymore. When you've seen Inception once, you can still go back for the shiny-awesomeness.

    7. Re:Nolan is better without FX by pinkj · · Score: 1

      I disagree. You can see Memento once, then see it again a second time with a whole new understanding of Leonard, and on the DVD you can watch it in linear time if you want. That's three completely different ways of seeing the same story unfold.

    8. Re:Nolan is better without FX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They launched that van off a bridge into the water with the actors *in it* several times, so there was actually very little effects in that particular sequence.

    9. Re:Nolan is better without FX by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I didn't know that about the DVD. Now that I think about it, is the story any good without the storytelling device that made it famous?

    10. Re:Nolan is better without FX by tighr · · Score: 1

      The story in "linear" mode boils down to extremely basic, but you get to see Natalie and Teddy's motivations as they unfold. Watching it linear essentially does the hard part for your brain, which allows you to watch the movie. It puts the cause before the effect. I like it, and have made several friends who didn't like Memento sit down and watch it linear, and it usually results in them understanding it a bit better.

    11. Re:Nolan is better without FX by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      I think both movies are very similar in that they try to make the viewer literally experience the storyline. For Memento he takes you backwards through the story, so that you the viewer experience the same lack of memory that the main character has. For Inception the story is very layered, details get more ambiguous as you look closer into them, and the ending is interrupted much like an actual dream.

      The movies are so different from each other that it's hard to really compare them, but definitely Memento is the more unique of the two. I felt like I'd seen some of the same themes from Inception in The Thirteenth Floor, The Matrix, and Dark City, whereas Memento was going over new ground.

    12. Re:Nolan is better without FX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the fact that people are concentrating so much on its visual effects is probably a good sign that the script isn't strong enough to carry the movie by itself.

      No, it isn't. Cool FX and a good script aren't mutually exclusive in any way at all. And people aren't "concentrating" on the FX; there's at least as much discussion over the plot (particularly the ending). This is because movie buzz is not a zero-sum game where there's only so much discussion to go around.

    13. Re:Nolan is better without FX by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      The movie requires really well-done special effects to pull of the story correctly. They did an amazing job of making the effects complement the plot- they neither fell too short nor overdid it. The storyline is of course the most interesting part of the movie, but the ability to tie the deep plot and effects together so well was one of the most obvious indicators of the talent that went into making the movie.

    14. Re:Nolan is better without FX by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      There wasn't hardly anything in the way of special effects in "Inception" too. There's a bit of Paris bending over and a few (occasionally crumbley) cityscapes and that's it, nearly all the rest is pure hard graft. Though it was only my second viewing (last night) that I realized this.

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  8. Thoughts by ceraphis · · Score: 1

    I remember wanting to see this movie months before it came out. Then, when I'm finally seeing it in IMAX on release day, I start thinking "wow this movie is actually kinda boring so far" except for the effects in the first hour maybe of the movie. It was particularly funny hearing everyone in the theater say "OHHH THAT'S THE SCENE FROM THE TRAILER." like they thought they were amazingly perceptive or something

    THEN, they actually start the heist and the levels....and the fight scenes with Gordon-Levitt, and I was completely blown away. It went from being a possible snore fest to the best movie I have ever seen in my life, and the beginning was justified because it explains the later parts. What a freaking roller coaster ride, movie of the decade (for me at least) absolutely.

    1. Re:Thoughts by sakdoctor · · Score: 1

      Isn't it slightly early to announce the "movie of the decade"?

    2. Re:Thoughts by ceraphis · · Score: 1

      agreed. I suppose I should have said "movie of the century (so far, for me)" but I just mainly wanted something more powerful than "movie of the year".

      It used to be Dark Knight for me, mainly due to Ledger's amazing last(ish?) performance but this finally tops it for me.

    3. Re:Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why it would be, since we're closing in on the end of it in the next several months. It's the perfect time to start considering what the movie of the decade is.

    4. Re:Thoughts by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Considering we're still in the first decade of the 21st century (and will be until 1/1/2011), I don't think so.

      There was no year 0! The new millennium didn't start until 1/1/2001! Pedants unite!

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  9. Analog special effects are cool, but... by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 1

    With the worldwide glut of computing power out there, why would you want to spend all that time and effort setting things up in the real world? How long will it be before someone takes the power of BOINC (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/) grid computing, and the talent of those who made 405: The movie (http://www.405themovie.com/Home.asp) and produce something beyond anything Hollywood has dreamed of?

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    1. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      With the worldwide glut of computing power out there, why would you want to spend all that time and effort setting things up in the real world?

      Because the sad truth is that not once have I ever seen a CGI-rendered scene that didn't look utterly fake. Your attitude is one shared by FAR too many directors these days.

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    2. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to bet you have watched a CGI scene, not known it was CGI, and thought it was completely real. Sure, when Neo falls off the skyscraper, you knew that was CGI, so you could say, "that looks fake." There are more subtle uses of CGI (Gary Sinise's missing legs in "Forrest Gump") that most people think are completely real-looking, and don't even suspect CGI. Now don't go using Forrest Gump meets JFK as a bad example - I'm in 100% agreement there!

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    3. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I find movies made with analog special effects to be far more magical. CG makes things feel so fake. Maybe someday in the future you wont be able to tell the difference, but I doubt it. Like the article says, the actors respond much better to analog special effects. Of course, you could argue that once an entire generation of actors are trained with pure CG, there really will be no difference. For me, that's a sad day.

    4. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by BForrester · · Score: 1

      One of the subtexts of the film was to blur the distinction between dream and reality. As soon as you see a moment of poor CGI editing or phony-looking physics, you kill the suspension of disbelief in these sequences. To his credit, the director kept some very long cuts of these fight sequences -- which were a welcome reprieve from the in vogue quick cut sequences that confuse the action and make shoddy editing easy to pull off. Long cuts are big windows in which even good CGI can show its flaws.

    5. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by pinkj · · Score: 1
      So in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" when that truck hit that cow, you thought they really killed a cow with a truck?

      imdb

      The American Humane Association, an organization that protects animal rights, mistook a computer-generated cow in the movie for a real animal and demanded proof before they would allow the use of their famous disclaimer, "No animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture." After seeing a demonstration at Digital Domain of how the cow was created, the Humane Association added the now-familiar (but then much rarer) "Scenes which may appear to place an animal in jeopardy were simulated."

    6. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 3, Funny

      So in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" when that truck hit that cow, you thought they really killed a cow with a truck?

      No, it was 2 guys in a cow suit. Sadly, one of the guys died filming that scene, but the guy who played the ass-end of the cow survived.

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    7. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by Minwee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the sad truth is that not once have I ever seen a CGI-rendered scene that didn't look utterly fake.

      I think the phrase you are looking for is that "not once have you ever seen a CGI-rendered scene that you could identify as CGI-rendered that did not look CGI-rendered."

      The ones that didn't look utterly fake looked real enough for you to assume that they were real. That's kind of the whole point, you see.

    8. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by Luke+Wilson · · Score: 1

      You might be surprised how many mundane scenes are actually CGI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k

    9. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      Well he failed on the phony physics department for me. The hallway fight scene had a constant angular velocity, yet the car was rolling in a jerky fashion (as it should). The hallway really needed to move in a more chaotic fashion to properly fit the physics it was supposed to correspond with. (This is a small detail, so I certainly still think he did an amazing job, but this did break the illusion during the movie for me).

    10. Re:Analog special effects are cool, but... by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      The article was really short yet you still didn't read it: it mentions how an actor will do a much better job jumping from a real explosion than someone on the set saying "explosion". In general, the more an actor can interact with his environment and the other characters in the scene, the better they will do (hence Jackie Chan and the like being more entertaining to watch).

  10. You don't have to worry about spoilers... by ArbitraryDescriptor · · Score: 1

    You don't have to worry about spoilers because there aren't any. This is a painfully brief blurb from July 8th, before the movie was released, and only directly makes reference to a few scenes in the trailer.

    Which is disappointing because I was really hoping for something of substance. The "article" spends more time talking about Courbould's other projects than Inception.

  11. Quick thing by ceraphis · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else notice that it looked like Gordon Levitt had wires attached to his pants during the hallway fight where he's dancing around the walls during the fight? The preview picture of the article makes it seem like they were rotating the hallway itself so why would the wires have been attached the whole time as well? I specifically remember some scenes where the wires shouldn't have been needed if the entire hallways was rotating.

    1. Re:Quick thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To help him balance when the room disagrees with his inner ear.

  12. allegory for memory management by spiffmastercow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a bit off topic, but all you /.ers need to see this movie, if for no other reason than that it is an allegory for memory management, stack frames, orphaned pointers, etc.

    1. Re:allegory for memory management by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Then I've probably already seen it, and need a good debugger to figure out where it went.

    2. Re:allegory for memory management by skiflyer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am never going to be able to unthink this post... you may have just ruined this movie for me.

    3. Re:allegory for memory management by johncadengo · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind, computer memory is an abstraction of human memory.

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    4. Re:allegory for memory management by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      So Cobb was an exploit?

    5. Re:allegory for memory management by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      ... and totem is a GS cookie?

    6. Re:allegory for memory management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I N C E P T I O N

  13. WHOOSH! by Triv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Y'all're being way too literal - whether the top fell or it didn't, the point of the last shot isn't whether the reality Cobb is in is real or not, the point is that he walked away from the top as it was spinning. He stopped trying to get home because, as far as he was concerned, he was as home as he wanted to be.

    Whether the reality we, as an audience, left him in was "real" or not is completely immaterial. Home != reality, necessarily; he ended up where he needed to be.

    1. Re:WHOOSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      far as he was concerned, he was as home as he wanted to be.

      BS. He made it abundantly clear in his confrontation with his dead wife's memory that he was *not* satisfied with the idea of only having his kids in a dream. He directly stated that he wanted to be with them "up there," in real life. The entire reason he was even on the mission is because he turned down that easy out.

      I will agree that the plot was thin, but this specific point was repeated multiple times. I am surprised you missed it.

    2. Re:WHOOSH! by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ambiguity of the ending is important, it implies the possibility that not only was his wife right, but still alive and awake.

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    3. Re:WHOOSH! by johncadengo · · Score: 1

      They're not being literal. Inception just failed on them.

      Inception is performative: it attempts to accomplish the thing it seeks to describe.

      In the case of those still wondering if things were real or not, it fell short.

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    4. Re:WHOOSH! by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would argue that the ambiguity of the ending is important because it plants a seed of an idea in the audience; namely, the idea of whether Cobb is still in a dream or reality. In essence, the movie performs inception on the audience. Pretty cool trick IMO.

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    5. Re:WHOOSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It cannot be Inception, because we all know that it's Nolan's idea for the ending to be ambiguous. For Inception to work we have to each believe that it is our own idea.

    6. Re:WHOOSH! by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Ah. But therein lies the trick. Read many of the other posts here and you'll see many people have many different ideas about the ending and they think they are right!

    7. Re:WHOOSH! by IICV · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that it goes even further than that - the eternally spinning top is a symbol of the dream, and who sees it last? We do.

      It's supposed to plant in our minds the idea that we are currently dreaming, much in the same way that Cobb planted the idea in Mal's mind by spinning the top in the safe. We are then given a kick (the movie ends quite abruptly, and is mirrored by people who get kicked out of dreams), and sent out into "reality", with the seed of that idea germinating in our minds - incepted there by the movie itself.

      Man, this almost makes me wish I could take another film studies class.

      (Shutter Island was still way better)

    8. Re:WHOOSH! by npsimons · · Score: 1

      Whether the reality we, as an audience, left him in was "real" or not is completely immaterial. Home != reality, necessarily; he ended up where he needed to be.

      I would say he ended up where he wanted to be, which, given how hard it is to find true happiness in life, is no mean feat. Was Saito doing him a favor, either by helping Cobb get home in reality or possibly incepting the idea that Cobb would get home? Or was Mal still alive and trying to bring Cobb home to reality? The movie was pretty straightforward to me, but it does leave a lot of questions unanswered. Interesting article on some of the possibilities: "Inception" ending theories.

    9. Re:WHOOSH! by malaprohibita · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up to God status if I only could. You got it exactly right.

    10. Re:WHOOSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no ambiguity in the ending, at least not in the top. The top didn't fall. The camera focused on it for a long time - the intent was to show that it didn't fall, the last scene was in a dream.

      But saying the top didn't ever fall is like saying "We've never seen a flying spaghetti monster, therefore one doesn't exist". If you want to be overly technical, no, we can't say a flying spaghetti monster absolutely doesn't exist. But for all reasonable intents and purposes, there is no such thing. Likewise with the top. Without an infinite amount of footage (or perhaps an animated gif on infinite loop) the top can't possibly be shown to NEVER fall. But the filmmaker did everything he could to show that it didn't fall.

      The inception was that Saito planted the idea in Cobb's head that he could get through customs and see his kids. And Saito did this without breaking into Cobb's dreams to plant the idea - he just told him he was rich and powerful and Cobb believed him.

    11. Re:WHOOSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you are being sarcastic, because he got it exactly wrong.

      The entire definition of Cobb's character is that he rejects the dream world as being unreal. His only motivation through the entire plot is to get back to his kids *in real life*.

      This "the dream is as real as he needs it to be" is utter nonsence. For Cobb, dreams are not real, and they are not good enough.

      Whether or not he is in a dream without realizing it is, of course, left for the audience to debate. But whether or Cobb is ok with being in a dream is not: Cobb wants reality and will be satisfied with nothing less.

  14. I am left wondering by Goaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What on earth is a "working juggernaut"?

    1. Re:I am left wondering by Chysn · · Score: 5, Funny

      What on earth is a "working juggernaut"?

      I'm an unemployed juggernaut, you insensitive clod!

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    2. Re:I am left wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What on earth is a "working juggernaut"?

      DO YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT, BITCH?

  15. I haven't seen it, and I'm not reading the thread. by feepness · · Score: 1

    But I would just like to say, thanks for not posting any spoilers in the summary.

  16. Spoiler Alert! by killmenow · · Score: 1

    Snape kills Dumbledore.

    1. Re:Spoiler Alert! by somaTh · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re:Spoiler Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, someone's gotta bite...

      "Rosebud" supposedly was the name that William Hearst gave to his wife's private parts....

      If anything, it would be "trinity killed snape with rosebud" because Snape is a man .... then again, maybe there's something we don't know about Snape :)

      AC

  17. The film rocked on plot, not SFX by jbarr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So many people, including my wife, said they just didn't get it. I must really be in the minority, because I thought that it had a similar "wow" factor as "The Matrix", only with plot instead of special effects. I remember watching "The Matrix", and at the scene where Neo got unplugged, I had this overwhelming feeling of "Oh, my, god! I get it! This is so absolutely innovatively cool!" I really had the same feeling when watching Inception. And maybe my delight with it has to do with the fact that I am able to have lucid dreams on occasion. I specifically remember one where I woke up from a dream, somehow realized that I was still dreaming, and then woke up from that. Having personally experienced that made the concept at least understandable.

    Granted, it wasn't a perfect movie, and it was probably too long, but I really think it had an innovative depth that hasn't been seen in movies in a long time.

    I also feel that though the SFX were cool, this is a movie you really don't need to see on the big screen. The plot carries it well. The wow-factor doesn't come from the SFX, it comes from the plot.

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    1. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by digitalsushi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But everyone on slashdot who saw the movie will also have understood it. You're not as unique as you might believe.

      Why was it probably too long? Were you unable to pay attention that long?

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    2. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there some correlation between good SFX and a large screen?

    3. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a complete idiot. The OP was right, you have to be gifted to understand a movie as complicated as this was. And yes, it was too long, it's common understanding that anything over 2 hours long is too long for the average mind to understand. Fair enough, the few geniuses that understood this movie AT THE SAME APPRECIATION the OP did can certainly say it was not too long, but an idiot like you probably couldnt even get halfway through it before having an attack of the tardies.

    4. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by IICV · · Score: 1

      Meh, there's a glaring plot-hole you could drive a truck through.

      When the car is falling, everything in the second layer goes weightless, because everything in the first layer is weightless.

      Why do they still have gravity in the third layer? Everything should have gone weightless there too.

      Makes no sense.

      However, it did let us watch what might be the world's best variable-gravity fight - I absolutely loved how Arthur ended the fight with a sleeper hold, which will actually work in zero-g where punches probably won't.

      (also when they're talking about "20 minutes here will give us two hours there will give us...", the math just doesn't work).

    5. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Is there some correlation between good SFX and a large screen?

      In the sense that they are better appreciated when viewed on a 30ft+ screen as opposed to one at most 5ft (60 inches) across, yes.

      By way of example: I do not feel that Transformers is a particularly good movie. I did, however, enjoy watching in the theaters because there's something just very fun for me in watching 30ft tall robots slug it out. I don't feel much urge to watch it repeatedly in my living room because I went for the experience, knowing that the plot would be lacking.

      Inception is wonderful for it's mixture of plot and original looking effects. So, while the experiential side of it may be slightly enhanced on a large screen (and there really is something to the theater experience that's hard to get at home), it's really the plot of Inception that is giving it staying power. Thus, I agree with the OP that one need not see it in the theater to get the full effect of the film, but I feel you have missed his point by trying to imply something that he simply wasn't trying to say.

    6. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by npsimons · · Score: 1

      So many people, including my wife, said they just didn't get it. I must really be in the minority, because I thought that it had a similar "wow" factor as "The Matrix", only with plot instead of special effects.

      I'm with you on this one, although what cinched it for me (besides the well done plot) was the music and the subplot of Cobb and Mal's relationship (movies in a similar vein which I love: "Memento", "The Fountain", "Chasing Amy", "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", "Moulin Rouge"). I am kind of scratching my head at all the people that say it's such a mindbender. Sure, it leaves you with interesting questions, but it's not like it's "Primer" or a David Lynch film.

      Granted, it wasn't a perfect movie, and it was probably too long, but I really think it had an innovative depth that hasn't been seen in movies in a long time.

      I'll second that: we need more movies like this (and "Primer"). Given the accolades this movie is getting, I have high hopes we might see more on the horizon. I'm especially looking forward to "The End of Eternity".

    7. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      My take is that there wasn't enough time for the perception of weightlessness in the 1st and 2nd layer to propagate into the 3rd.

      Look at Saito being shot while in the 1st layer. After dropping into the 2nd layer, it took some time before he started bleeding there. This all happened during the several subjective minutes it took for the van to reach the bridge. When Yusuf crashes the van over the railing, they'd already entered the 3rd layer except for Arthur, and Saito was whole again for awhile at that level.

      I'll grant that the exponentially increasing subjective time in deeper layers didn't make much sense, but I was willing to suspend my disbelief for that minor niggle in an otherwise great movie.

    8. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Dude, I had no idea. Thanks for pointing out the End of Eternity. If they don't screw it up, this could totally rock.

    9. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by jbarr · · Score: 1

      Maybe "too long" is a bad choice of words. Maybe "exhausting" would be more appropriate.

      And while it may sound like a contradiction, I actually think another hour could have been added to the film, and then the film could have been split into two separate movies: the first part prior to the mission, and the second part which was the mission. The first part prior to the mission seemed rushed and incomplete like they had to edit out material.

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    10. Re:The film rocked on plot, not SFX by jbarr · · Score: 1

      The way I see it based on the background information they revealed, the perceptions from level to level are not necessarily directly linked, and as you go down levels, it would take longer for the effect to propagate due to the time perception differences. had the van fallen a much longer distance, conceivably, the perception of weightlessness would have propagated.

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  18. mod parent up please by microcars · · Score: 1

    MUCH more informative than the original linked article plus more pics!

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    1. Re:mod parent up please by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Very nice article.

  19. Jackie Chan explains it best by sheddd · · Score: 1
  20. Universal Praise? by voidstin · · Score: 1

    A lot of critics liked it, but quite a few, including Rex Reed and David Edelstein destroyed it. I'm with them, personally. It seems to be fairly polarizing.

    1. Re:Universal Praise? by hamiltondaniel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just to get the flame war started, I agree with the above. The movie was very cool and was great to watch, it was a lot of fun.

      But come on. The basic premise wasn't even capitalized on. Dreams are WEIRD. Dreams are crazy things where ANYTHING can happen. Dreams are absurd, as in Kierkegaard. There were so many precise rules to the way the whole thing worked it wasn't a dream, it was an alternate reality slightly different than ours, but a reality with real laws and rules governing it. Dreams don't have rules. In a dream I can walk down the street and then Paris flips over and then I'm also an egg salad sandwich who kills Hitler with a goose.

      The thing with the time dilation was the most absurd. I mean, never mind that just because you have a dream within a dream doesn't mean you have a brain within a brain (which would be kind of necessary to be thinking at, whatever, 1000x normal speed), but really? That's the only way the writers could think up to inject some sense of urgency? He'll be down there for...TEN YEARS! Oh man. What a drag. Should've set the alarm a half hour early today.

      All of this is forgiven if the ENTIRE THING (including all the shared dream, machine-doohickey Architect stuff - how does she actually go about building these dream worlds? We only ever see her making cardboard models. Hmm...) is a dream, but then...

      Kind of a boring dream.

      Egg salad sandwich, man.

    2. Re:Universal Praise? by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      A.O. Scott had an interesting article about the polarization, including the fact that a lot of the people flaming critics hadn't even seen the movie yet.

    3. Re:Universal Praise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the only way the writers could think up to inject some sense of urgency? He'll be down there for...TEN YEARS! Oh man. What a drag. Should've set the alarm a half hour early today.

      It was 10 years at the third dream level, the one where they planned to be. That's why they set up the kick, so they wouldn't have to spend all 10 years there, but that wasn't the real threat.

      The real threat was that if they died in the dream, they'd end up in limbo where time ran even faster. They mention that they don't know how much faster, but if we assume it's the same dilation factor as the higher levels, it would actually feel like 200 years. (Cobb and his wife made it 50 years, but they had each other to keep themselves sane.)

    4. Re:Universal Praise? by porges · · Score: 1

      just because you have a dream within a dream doesn't mean you have a brain within a brain

      Yes, perfect summary of what I consider a big conceptual confusion in the film. It seemed to me that they had dragged in the concept of
      "simulators upon emulators" and called it "dream within a dream". I don't even think there's such a thing; there's just more dreaming. (Oh, but these are magic dreams!)

  21. Thanks for being so US-centric by cbraescu1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hopefully most of you who intend to see Inception have already seen it by now

    Cmdr Taco, do you realize maybe half of Slashdot audience is *NOT* from the USA?

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    1. Re:Thanks for being so US-centric by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 1

      Cmdr Taco, do you realize maybe half of Slashdot audience is *NOT* from the USA?

      Why? Is the State of Arizona's efforts to curb illegal immigration working that well?

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  22. the whole thing was a dream by roubles · · Score: 1

    mal is alive in the real world... and she's trying to wake cobb up...

  23. Very telling that they use film by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    "Film has an enormous amount of exposure latitude and dynamic range, which gives us infinite creative flexibility in creating images... Every digital camera is trying hard to emulate 35mm film, and there's a reason for that."

    This is why film, until some monumental change in digital photography occurs, will always be better.

    It's quite telling looking at photos taken on film (Kodachrome included) from the past and those now taken on digital. The film photos have a much more pleasing aspect than the digital version.

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  24. Good but not Great, LACK of SFX + Spoilers by Layth · · Score: 1

    Not as great as everyone is making it out to be, but still an original and entertaining film
    The plot was largely contrived, and an ounce of sense would have taken this team of "experts" a long way toward accomplishing their goal.

    Here come the spoilers, as I highlight the nonsense:
    it is explained in the film that shared dreamers may each "project" new energy and physical matter into the dream world if they so choose.
    The reason this is avoided is because the root dreamers subconscious will start to detect it's being fiddled with, and all of their projections will become violent.

    Certainly I can accept this premise, but it falls flat once they enter fischers subconscious and discover he has been trained to resist them.
    The crew is ambushed, as trained military persons are firing semi-automatic weapons and constantly pursuing them.

    Fischer is tied up in a room, alone and out of view, and none of the crew actually take advantage of the fact that they're in a dream.
    A friend is shot and dieing, but nobody summons an ER doctor or staff. Their actual lives are threatened, but they do not transform their van to be bulletproof or into a tank.

    For god sakes this guy is about to die, which is leo's only hope of seeing his children. I would have said hey look there is a futuristic alien healing device here!

    Why not change reality? Are they afraid that the highly trained soldiers that are already trying to kill them are going to notice their presence and then start.. trying to kill them?
    Later in the arctic, when the entire crew and fischer are in on the fact that it's a dream, they start freaking out because they only have an hour to get to their destination.

    100% of the people in this dream are equipped with automatic weapons and already trying to kill them.
    Still, nobody uses any dream powers. For god sakes, everyone knows it's a dream. Summon a flying tank. Put on an Iron Man suit.
    What a bunch of idiots. If I wanted to watch people this stupid I would turn on reruns of bevis and butthead.

    This was an excellent opportunity to do some great, fast action, special effects but instead they completely passed and kept things fairly grounded to the rules of our reality.
    I was disappointed and expected the action sequences to be a lot sexier.

    If your plot line only advances because your characters are too stupid to leverage the very powers that make them unique, then your plot is sorely lacking.
    How can you have a movie in a dream-world that your characters control, and then have nobody leverage that control? Epic WTF.

    Still it was unique and different and I wasn't bored.

    1. Re:Good but not Great, LACK of SFX + Spoilers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The crew is ambushed, as trained military persons are firing semi-automatic weapons and constantly pursuing them.

      100% of the people in this dream are equipped with automatic weapons and already trying to kill them.

      Make up your fucking mind already (and no, I haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm only guessing they were full-auto).

  25. the ending is not a dream, it is reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you think it is a dream, you need to ask what make his dream accurately reflect that he was on board a plane?

    Remember that this guys subconscience is stuck at level 4 or limbo, you need to unwind the dreams (or pop the stack) to know where you are before you fall into your dream. How come a dream at level 4 or in limbo (top of the stack) pop the dream stack and know the bottom of the stack?

    You need to go back to reality to know that you are on board a plan, right?

  26. Strikes me as nonsense by Layth · · Score: 1

    This notion: "Of course, mimicking the weight and feel of the top would require someone else had touched to totem before"

    This whole movie is about people with the ability to go into dreams, and then steal real-world knowledge and ideas from the dreamer
    It's absolute nonsense that you wouldn't be able to go into a dream, and then steal the knowledge of their totem.

    what..? you can steal their deepest and darkest secrets, but you can't steal knowledge about some knick-knack?
    How does that make any sense at all?

    1. Re:Strikes me as nonsense by IICV · · Score: 1

      I imagine that if someone went into your dreams and stole the knowledge of your totem, you would be aware of them having done so unless they were really really skilled at it. It would equivalent to sneaking into a master thief's house and stealing something from under his pillow without him finding out.

  27. Before the theories get all tagential... by hawks5999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...about kicks, limbo and sedatives. Here is all the dialog about those topics for everyone who will "remember" a character saying something they never said:

    Sedation/Kicks:

    Arthur: Three layers down, dreams are going to collapse with the slightest disturbance
    Yusuf: Sedation. For sleep stable enough to create three layers of dreaming we'll have to combine it with extremely powerful sedatives.
    [Yusuf slaps a sleeping Arthur who doesn't wake up.]
    Yusuf: The compound we'll be using to share the dream creates a very clear connection between dreamers whilst actually accelerating brain function.
    Cobb: In other words, it gives us more time on each level.
    Yusuf: Brain function in the dream will be about twenty times normal. Now when you enter a dream within that dream the effect will be compounded. There's three dreams. 10 hours to...
    Eames: I'm sorry, math was never my strong subject. So h-how much time is that?
    Cobb: It's a week the first level down. Six months, the second level down. Third level is...
    Ariadne: 10 years!
    [Cobb nods]
    Ariadne: Who'd want to be stuck in a dream for 10 years?
    Yusuf: Depends on the dream.
    Arthur: So, once we've made the plant, how do we get out? I'm hoping you have something more elegant in mind than shooting me in the head?
    Cobb: Kick.
    Ariadne: What's a kick?
    Eames: This, Ariadne, would be a kick.
    [Eames nudges Arthur's chair that is on two legs and Arthur loses balance but catches himself before he falls.]
    Cobb: It's that feeling of falling you get that jolts you awake. It snaps you out of the dream.
    Arthur: Are we going to feel a kick with this kind of sedation?
    Yusuf: Ah! That's the clever part. I customized the sedative to leave inner ear function unimpaired. That way, however deep the sleep, the sleeper still feels falling...
    [Yusuf pushes a sleeping Arthur over in a chair. Arthur awakes]
    Yusuf: or tipping...
    [Yusuf tips a sleeping Arthur over in a chair. Arthur awakes]
    Cobb: The trick is to synchronize a kick that can penetrate all three levels.
    Arthur: We could use the musical countdown to synchronize the different kicks.

    Limbo:
    Cobb: Don't do that. Don't do that!
    Eames: He's in agony, I'm waking him up.
    Cobb: No. It won't wake him up.
    Eames: What do you mean it won't wake him up...
    Cobb: It won't wake him up.
    Eames: ...if we die in a dream we wake up.
    Yusuf: Not from this. We're too heavily sedated to wake up that way.
    Eames: Right. So what happens when we die?
    Cobb: We drop into limbo.
    Arthur: Are you serious?!
    Ariadne: Limbo?!
    Arthur: Unconstructed dream space.
    Ariadne: Well, what the hell is down there?
    Arthur: Just raw, infinite subconscious. Nothing is down there. Except for whatever might have been left behind by anyone sharing the dream who's been trapped there before. Which in our case is just you.
    Ariadne: Well, how long can we be stuck there?
    Yusuf: Can't even think about trying to escape until the sedation...
    Eames: How long?!
    Yusuf: Decades. It could be infinite. I don't know. Ask him. He's the one who's been there.
    Arthur: Let's get him upstairs.
    Saito:
    Eames: Great... Thank you. So now we are trapped in Fischer's mind battling his own private army and if we get killed we'll be lost in limbo till our brains turn to scrambled egg.

    More Limbo:
    Cobb: How's he doing?
    Ariadne: He's in a lot of pain.
    Cobb: When we get down to the lower levels, his pain will be less intense.
    Ariadne: And if he dies?
    Cobb: Worst case scenario: when he wakes up his mind is completely gone.
    Saito: Cobb. I'll still honor the arrangement.
    Cobb: I appreciate that Saito, but when you wake up you won't even remember that we had an arrangement. Limbo's going to become your reality, you're gonna be lost down there so long that you're going to become an old man...
    Saito: ...filled with regret...
    Cobb: ...waiting to die alone.
    Saito: No. I'll come back. And we'll be yo

  28. Did they use any computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I think that would add a new spin to yet another fx story.

  29. Total Recall by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

    No - the top was wobbling and about to fall.

    The top had been spinning WAY too long at that point for reality to be in effect.

    Towards the beginning of the Inception, before he explains the significance of the top, he does a test where the top seemed to take unnaturally slow to stop. So even then I was thinking "Wow, cool top." But when I noticed the gun I realized what he was doing.

    Weighted correctly and spun properly, a top can go on for a while. Not minutes/hours, but for what appears unnaturally long.

    The fact that it started to wobble at the end was just a nice "it's whatever you want it to be." Maybe it was going to stop a second later, maybe it wasn't.

    In the end, I can't say whether the final scene was a dream. Heck, I've heard good arguments that the whole thing was a dream since his interactions with everyone at the end could've been those of complete strangers: a glance, a nod, etc.

    I found it very "Total Recall," specifically the white light at the end of that film.

    Say what you will about the mindless action and "Ah-nold" factor in "Total Recall," it did make you think. Everything the "bad guys" said would happen, happened. The story he wanted to download "Blue Skies of Mars" matched the movie's plot quite well. Not a single thing really proved one way or the other if he was awake or in a dream.

    And at the end, as hinted earlier, there's a bright light. The camera cutting away? Or Ah-nold waking up from the experience?

    However with Recall, the whole movie was questioning whether the main character was awake. Inception only made you truly question it at the end.

  30. maybe you didn't even see a movie... by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

    no, Nolan's trick was to make you feel you enjoyed paying $9 to see that movie.

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    1. Re:maybe you didn't even see a movie... by HarvardAce · · Score: 2

      no, Nolan's trick was to make you feel you enjoyed paying $9 to see that movie.

      $9?!? Was that the 10AM showing on a Tuesday morning where they let you bring babies with you?

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  31. This happened before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this brings up the age old question:

    Was it only a dream at the end of... Total Recall.

  32. I got sucked in by the hype ... by frogzilla · · Score: 1

    I got sucked in by the hype that there is a spectacular surprise twist at the end. There isn't. Some of the special effects are quite interesting. Otherwise, this is a very conventional action movie. Not a bad movie, but certainly not anything special.

    This has been my opinion which, to most of you, won't be worth much.

    1. Re:I got sucked in by the hype ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that you claim there was no surprise at the end, but you fail to mention at all how you interpreted the movie. Are you afraid everyone will point out that you're wrong?

  33. Agree that he was awake by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

    Saw it for the second time last night and when Old-Saito spins the top it is shown spinning perfectly still in place, at the end it's noisy and wobbly, having spun for quite a while and so is about to topple.

    Also, the group dream on the plane was nearing an end and the train incident showed that dying in limbo would wake you up, not send you to deeper limbo, so when Old-Saito picks up the gun it's to shoot Cobb and then himself.

    That's my interpretation, YMMV, on both viewings I was perfectly satisfied that he was awake and that the cut to black was just Nolan fucking with us.

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    1. Re:Agree that he was awake by somersault · · Score: 1

      I've only seen it once so probably will have missed a couple of things or not remember the details correctly, but here's a few things:

      There's no reason his subconscious wouldn't be able to craft a top that falls over even in his dream - if he truly wanted to stay in that world he could be fooling himself. Maybe in the real world he doesn't even have kids.

      Several other people (Saito being the main one at the end) also talk using similar words he did with his wife (or the other way round, I can't remember) in one of their private conversations.

      His lifestyle is at James Bond levels of unrealism, with him able to outrun loads of armed goons and somehow have Saito magically come out of nowhere to rescue him etc.. now this is a typical movie thing so maybe we should just accept it, but even the girl pointed out how crazy and unrealistic his life is. This would mean that everyone else in the story is just a part of his subconscious though, unless they're all trapped in a dream too.

      Though if it is all just a dream, why doesn't his wife just arrange a "kick" in his real life to wake him up? Unless everything in the movie is taking place in some crazy form of limbo where his dream goes at a million years a second or something like that.

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  34. Agree - forget the ending by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

    If you forget the ending and look at the rest of the movie as a whole it makes sense the backstory and emotional journey is tied up, the mission is complete and that Saito honoured the agreement with both he and Cobb jointly remembering the conversation they had in the warehouse. The whole plot of the film is nicely tied up and resolved. Though interestingly Saito only said Cobb would have no trouble getting through customs, not that he'd make all the charges go away, but besides, there seems to be a cultural phenomenon where if a film has a happy ending it's somehow a Bad Thing, what's that about?

    Anyway, in the immediate prior scene the top is shown on Saito's Limbo Table spinning indefinitely, very smoothly and without a sound. On the table at the end it's making a fair bit of noise and is distinctly about to fall. The cut before it does is just Mr Nolan messing with us.

    On the other hand, remember that the whole film is essentially a dream, as in it's a movie, a work of fiction designed by an architect and into which we were drawn...

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    1. Re:Agree - forget the ending by notsoanonymouscoward · · Score: 1

      Have scanned the comments and didnt see this.... so ... stay for the credits. As they're wrapping up, you hear the music cue song. Then there's a thud and everything shudders... the last kick. *you* the viewer are free of the dream that *you* entered, and return to reality. I thought that was a nice touch.

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  35. MOD PARENT UP by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

    This is not your usual unit shifting mega star summer blockbuster. This is a damned good film made by a bloody good director who's worked hard within the system enough to be able to negotiate enough cash and freedom to make whatever movie he pleases. THIS is what we want more of. Not Piranha 3D

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  36. Funniest comment I've seen in a while by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

    :) Kudos to you, parent!

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  37. Its just a plot device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dreams provide unlimited potential for screenwriters. Dreams are the penultimate plot device; shared dreaming being the ultimate.

    For example:
    Yousef the human pharmacy creates the ultimate sedative..
    Yousef: "Ah! That's the clever part. I customized the sedative .."
    ..making it possible to increase the depth of the plot device threefold.

    And then, via the plot device, adds extreme danger to the character's situation:
    Yusuf: Not from this. We're too heavily sedated to wake up that way.
    Eames: Right. So what happens when we die?
    Cobb: We drop into limbo.
    Ah, limbo, worse than death.

    Anyhow, very cleverly written, very suspenseful, etc. My question is about the zero gravity scenes in the hallway and elevator shaft. Was that all done via cables or did they put the whole thing in the vomit comet and actually go low gravity? It doesn't look like cables. I don't remember if anyone had hair that wasn't slicked back in those scenes. That would be indicative. But I'm assuming that if they did film those scenes in a bouncy airplane, they would have told someone about it I find the article lacking in content. Yes they made a box that rotates. And used liquid nitrogen for explosions?

  38. I SEE THE LIGHT! by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

    ok, so caps subject was unwarranted but I get it now. In the movie Cobb has woken up and is visiting his real family. The reason we don't get to see the spinning top fall is because it's not reality: It's a movie, it's taking place in Nolan's head.

    It's fucking Meta

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