naw, your sig covers all that proofreading nonsense, and we got the jist(sp?).:-) Hey, if you're honest about it, then good on ya, I'll take it at face value. Typos, got it.
Oh my god, not Digg, Reddit, and Slashdot. Flickr will lose the 14 year old market and the "geek who wouldn't pay for anything computer related if it were the only way to save his mother's life" market. Whatever will they do? So, which one of these, exactly, are you Mr. slashdot poster?
Yeah... You know what -I- think? I think that since the word 'nigger' will get your ass kicked now punk little small minded creeps have to find another target to take their (self) loathing out on. Anybody you're scared of but can find deluded reasons to feel superior to, right?
Actually, I think it can all be broken into a complex series of 'nand' logical gates. http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/gates.htm#substituting I mean, unless there's a type of math that computers can't do, I'm no mathematician.
Because it puts (another) large dent in the 'linux isn't ready for prime time' and 'OMGLOL its for lusers in thier mommies basement' and 'it's just not a professional choice' and an EXTREMELY large dent in the 'linux security is unproven in the wild' argument (which should by all rights be a joke by now, and an old joke at that).
Did I miss any, that's right off the top of my head.
That is honestly the very first time I've tried to imagine avatars for the various slashdotters, and I nearly shit myself laughing.
All the little astroturfers in their virtual ties in case a boss wanders through (in a double sized ego boosting power avatar) to check if they are earning that paycheck.
All the oldschool linux hippies running around in full pixilated nudity, expressing their freedom.
All the REALLY hardcore slack and gentoo peeps runnign around in optimized featureless single colored textures. (if they even APPLIED a texture, wireframes are the REAL nudity, thus freedom, they'd boast)
All the vista users sporting virtual bling, like radiant rainbow overcoats and other gaudy displays of resource over-utilization.
15 million script kiddies and trolls (redundant?) wearing the biggest baddest most demonic looking demonseed elite skins that they can find... Whipping flying cawks out like candy on halloween...
All the 'family values' republicans in their black leather kink suits....;-) j/k (not really)
Yeah, it'd be great. Like a barrel of monkeys, but less organized and (with a little market investment and time) a less pleasant smell.
I had a teacher that used to say there are no stupid questions, till I asked him if it was possible to make a remote controlled frog (we were talking about Volta's little froggie leg experience). After looking at me for about 30 uncomfortable seconds he then announced that he had long been incorrect in his assumptions that there are no stupid questions...
Disregarding that, I have to say though that he was my favorite teacher ever. Physics and computer science. Only high school class around my area that taught unix, assembly, and basic logic (software AND hardware)
Okay. listen to me very carefully, it is HIGHLY advantageous to build a city where a major river connects to the ocean. Port cities are a necessity in today's world, actually for several thousand years now.
Rush and Bill don't seem to understand that. I'll toss out a couple of possible reasons why.
A> They have to defend the administration at all costs. B> They have to pander to smug racist idiots to get the (already comical) ratings they need. C> What with all the oxy popping and producer fantasizing you'd think they have time to actually THINK about an issue beyond a gut reaction to some conservative think tank's assessment? Oh, nevermind that said think tank has big plans for the newly 'available' real estate.
Oh, and that reminds me, haven't you noticed that alot of the land of New Orleans is being 'appropriated' for expensive housing and corporate facilities? Are these people stupid too? Why of course not, important people like that NEED to be in such an important area for the infrastructure of the nation, and thus the nation will protect them (with such high-tech devices as levies) from harm. There goes your whole 'stupid' theory right there. Be careful where you point that thing, you might accidentally shoot yourself with it.
My only piece of advice is to balance out your FOX News watching with something as simple as google news. And not just the headlines either, actually READ the articles (especially the ones you think you'll disagree with) and you will find a whole new (real) world out there.
I dunno, go back up and see how many "the dems are just as bad" fluff posts with NO corroborative facts are modded at +2 +3 and whatnot. Seems like a pretty self-hating liberal bias to me.. Ya know, that's just how the 'liberal bias' in the media seems too... Like this:
"Support our troops, but don't torture prisoners."
"OMG, can you believe how BIASED that is? Those damn liberals are a bunch of Nazis, trying to take away our freedoms like that, they WANT the terrorists to win."
I was with you until that last paragraph. I think a more apt analogy would be that one is like counterfeiting nickels, the other is like counterfeiting bank accounts. I mean look at it, individual fraud vs/ systemic fraud... That's not nickels vs dimes, that's nickels vs large stacks of nickels.
Like Kansas and the rest of the U.S. midwest? Woo, that's alotta corn to be growin in what was recently (from a forward looking point of view) tundra and permifrost.
And besides, the whole 'it's okay cause we'll grow on greenland' crap is so myopic it's sick. Billions of people live near the equator, and they need the be able to grow food too. How many refugee mouths will the vast bounties of greenland feed exactly?
Or is it like New Orleans all over again? Fuck them for living in the wrong place, or what?
I disagree with the moderation here... This ONE TIME this lame ass comment is finally on topic. The topic being how many users will click on a malicious link offered up by some morally retarded troll.
Hell, it might could possibly maybe even be kinda considered insightful. Personally I'm glad that I don't have any (well, much) insight into the trollish mind.
There are no such thing as analog values in this universe You tell that to my friend pi and his buddies. But be careful, I understand they can be quite irrational.
I (as in me myself, not the kids) actually use a program called netlogo. It's really an interesting paradigm for designing multiagent simulations and whatnot. It cmoes with a multitude of great examples that can be edited, combined, and refined to do all sorts of neat simulations. Highly recommended for adults and older children (due to it's complexity) who are interested in quick and dirty simulations.
My kids (twin 6 year old and a 4 year old) have already cut their teeth on MSWLogo (not a MS product BTW) and yeah, explaining angles and such is where I had to start. They are still fuzzy on the angles really, but basically know that 90 makes an angle for a square, and that 120 is for a triangle. I've only been at this for less than a month (and was thus delighted to see this article pop up and the logo conversation jump right off the bat) but the kids are already starting to understand things like procedures, procedures within procedures, and they are slowly starting to understand recursion thanks to the fractal library I've written. The math is way over their heads, but the basic concept of doing something small over and over again to get a big result is being understood.
Here, for your turtle pushing pleasure are a couple of simple fractal samples.
to ccurve:iter:size rt 45 ifelse:iter1 [fd:size] [ccurve:iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2)] lt 90 ifelse:iter1 [fd:size] [ccurve:iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2)] rt 45 end
to dragcurve:iter:size:angle if:iter1 [fd:size stop] dragcurve:iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2) 90 rt:angle dragcurve:iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2) -90 end
to drawtree:size if:size10 [stop] fd:size rt 30 drawtree:size-10 lt 60 drawtree:size-10 rt 30 bk:size end
The drawtree is the one that I explain in depth, as I designed it in a way that the kids could grasp. Maybe these will be useful to you in some way, as they have been for me and mine.
It's modding like this that make me meta-mod. How can you even possibly consider this offtopic. The whole point of the linked to page is to try and clarify what patents MS is claiming are violated.
Smells like an astroturfer with mod points to me, and we all know that astroturfers are an unclean and heathen band of pansies who have sold out their freedom of speech rights for cash. Spineless chumps, I hope you choke on that paycheck.
I'm gonna meta-mod my ass off... YOU'RE GOING DOWN SHILL!
Adding to the 'more pressing issues' crowd, I'd like to say that the 2008 election, in my opinion, should be about:
#1: Torture. #2: Habeas Corpus. #3: Torture + Lack of Habeas Corpus! #4: Abuse of power. #5: the tying factor in all of them, the War. It's planning, it's execution, and most importantly, it's consequences.
You are correct in thinking that this issue is important and has far ranging implications, but the implications of anything other than a complete reversal of policy on the aforementioned issues is a speeding train heading toward a deep dark bridgeless pit.
Yeah, that's right, all criminals and should be taken care of.
Like that gotdam Saddam Hoosane, who tried to nuke us all but our great leader stopped him in his tracks. Too bad he hid the evidence and made the Decider look bad too all them stupid liberals out there who believe weapons inspectors with an agenda over our faithful and caring president.
In fact, let's go git all them dam hippies, freaks, and druggies that would stoop so low as to even THINK about stealing from the great lifegivers of our nation, the God Given Corporate Leadership. Bless their souls. They are 110% Jesus Approved(TM) so doing anything against them (even resistance to them stripping our rights) would be going against the will of God Himself.
BTW, in light of the bucketload of sarcasm I liberally drenched this post with, I'd like to point out that I in no way mean to offend real peace, love, hope and tolerance Christians, as I am one. I DO mean to offend those dollar-worshiping murder-happy Mammon worshipers who call themselves christian. Not that the parent-poster indicated religious tendencies, but that whole post sounded like it could come out of a "bible belt" sermon.
I have seen several posts expressing the same sentiment as yours (a sentiment I happen to agree with) and they all have been modded up.
To me, that's hilarious. It's like this, posts are modded by groupthink trends, positive and negative. Your post, an anti-groupthink post, gets modded up.
Groupthink is apparently anti-Groupthink. Every time I start thinking about that it gives me the giggles. I mean, it could just be raw denial spewing from some wound in the thought process you've caused, people with mod points out to prove (if only to themselves) that they are really individuals, but I prefer to think that groupthink really is self-loathing.
Does fiction count? Like in Star Trek when ole' Picard says something like 'patch me through to Starfleet Command" or something? Or how about 2001:ASO when at the beginning the dude makes his phone call with the AT&T computer network. I bet a million examples (and probably explained in more detail then these) can be found throughout 20th century science fiction.
I mean, it's the idea itself that's patented right, so would fiction count?
1:Can you see what compiler was used to turn source into binary? 2:Can you verify that published source/binaries are the same as what's inside the machine in front of you? 3:Can you verify that the hardware is the same as what the software is expected to run on? 4:Can you verify that the hardware works as intended (like, no memory errors etc)? 5:I expect that for most (or all) of these questions, the answer will be: no, not really. I added some numbers to save myself some cutnpaste...:-)
Alrighty, one at a time...
1: Yes. There are plenty of open source compilers available. But what about the compiler THEY are compiled with? Okay then, lets go back a few decades and start compiling up open source compilers in as many steps as you need to compile a compiler for the language(s) that you're writing the voting software in, starting with some old copy of Bell Labs C or something, where the original binary compiler is assuredly not compromised in any way pertinent to the voting software. Do this once, openly, transparently and get a lovely golden and truely sacred copy of gcc or whatever.
2: Yes, with a little LCD screen with the binary's MD5 or something. It can be done if you really want actual VOTER verification of the binaries. Of course, this is not very hard to verify at the factory, or even at startup by administrators that can follow directions.
3: Yes? I don't understand this question exactly. Yes, you can know what machine the software is running on by designing a voting machine and writing software for it. Can the voter verify this? Well, no, not directly. Well maybe, but that would be complex. BUT, the same goes for tabulation of the vote with paper ballots, although the transparency isn't in the hardware, but the room itself. See, you don't necessarily get to watch them count it (at least not here) but a representative of both of the 2 biggest parties do, if I understand correctly. Now, knowing that there is SOME trust involved, you could have a couple of partisan or independant engineers look it over. If you're talking modification on the level of fake processors and such, well, that level of conspiracy will find a way to infiltrate ANY election more complex than a 'raise your hands'
4: Yes. The vast majority of hardware errors are caught in any reasonable production line. Those that are not are usually very evident if the machine undergoes a good burn-in test battery. The probability of a random hardware error changing the outcome of your vote is ridiculously near zero. Papaer ballot doesn't print? Swap in a new printer, like at the grocery store. You have to vote over again (and any decent software will cancel your vote and TELL YOU LOUDLY THAT IT HAS DONE SO (like that, but with bigger letters, flashing red text and maybe even sound!) at the first sign of problems) but that's not asking too much.
5: Well, that's a whole lotta yeses on the board. It's a bit late, and I don't know if I explained myself right, but I think it's about right. Paper ballots are great, except when some court tells you that it doesn't matter that you haven't gotten the same count twice, it's close enough. When the e-voting get to the point (like this law could likely take it) that it displays the ballot correctly, prints the paper correctly, and counts the votes correctly (with the paper ballot counts *gasp* MATCHING the e-votes) you'll find that paper seems to be the stuff that doesn't matter so much anymore... Still though, I'd like to keep it around, err on the side of caution and all that.
Frankly though, paper ballots have their own problems, mostly due to human corruption. With a proper e-voting machine we could make their bastardly jobs much MUCH harder.
If we were talking in person I'd punch you in the nose.
Grow up. Are you fucking kidding me? 'I'd punch you in the nose for disagreeing with me like that?' (paraphrased)
And then "Grow up."
What a snotty little brat you are! Someone points out how obnoxious you're being and you feel the need to threaten them with violence and tell them to grow up? You fuckin little punk. Come punch me in the nose if it'll make you feel better. And if it DOES make you feel better, hold on to that feeling tightly and remember it forever, as the feeling won't last long at all.
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naw, your sig covers all that proofreading nonsense, and we got the jist(sp?). :-)
Hey, if you're honest about it, then good on ya, I'll take it at face value. Typos, got it.
Yeah... You know what -I- think? I think that since the word 'nigger' will get your ass kicked now punk little small minded creeps have to find another target to take their (self) loathing out on. Anybody you're scared of but can find deluded reasons to feel superior to, right?
Actually, I think it can all be broken into a complex series of 'nand' logical gates.g
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/gates.htm#substitutin
I mean, unless there's a type of math that computers can't do, I'm no mathematician.
Because it puts (another) large dent in the 'linux isn't ready for prime time' and 'OMGLOL its for lusers in thier mommies basement' and 'it's just not a professional choice' and an EXTREMELY large dent in the 'linux security is unproven in the wild' argument (which should by all rights be a joke by now, and an old joke at that).
Did I miss any, that's right off the top of my head.
That is honestly the very first time I've tried to imagine avatars for the various slashdotters, and I nearly shit myself laughing.
;-) j/k (not really)
All the little astroturfers in their virtual ties in case a boss wanders through (in a double sized ego boosting power avatar) to check if they are earning that paycheck.
All the oldschool linux hippies running around in full pixilated nudity, expressing their freedom.
All the REALLY hardcore slack and gentoo peeps runnign around in optimized featureless single colored textures. (if they even APPLIED a texture, wireframes are the REAL nudity, thus freedom, they'd boast)
All the vista users sporting virtual bling, like radiant rainbow overcoats and other gaudy displays of resource over-utilization.
15 million script kiddies and trolls (redundant?) wearing the biggest baddest most demonic looking demonseed elite skins that they can find... Whipping flying cawks out like candy on halloween...
All the 'family values' republicans in their black leather kink suits....
Yeah, it'd be great. Like a barrel of monkeys, but less organized and (with a little market investment and time) a less pleasant smell.
I had a teacher that used to say there are no stupid questions, till I asked him if it was possible to make a remote controlled frog (we were talking about Volta's little froggie leg experience). After looking at me for about 30 uncomfortable seconds he then announced that he had long been incorrect in his assumptions that there are no stupid questions...
Disregarding that, I have to say though that he was my favorite teacher ever. Physics and computer science. Only high school class around my area that taught unix, assembly, and basic logic (software AND hardware)
Okay. listen to me very carefully, it is HIGHLY advantageous to build a city where a major river connects to the ocean. Port cities are a necessity in today's world, actually for several thousand years now.
Rush and Bill don't seem to understand that. I'll toss out a couple of possible reasons why.
A> They have to defend the administration at all costs.
B> They have to pander to smug racist idiots to get the (already comical) ratings they need.
C> What with all the oxy popping and producer fantasizing you'd think they have time to actually THINK about an issue beyond a gut reaction to some conservative think tank's assessment? Oh, nevermind that said think tank has big plans for the newly 'available' real estate.
Oh, and that reminds me, haven't you noticed that alot of the land of New Orleans is being 'appropriated' for expensive housing and corporate facilities? Are these people stupid too? Why of course not, important people like that NEED to be in such an important area for the infrastructure of the nation, and thus the nation will protect them (with such high-tech devices as levies) from harm. There goes your whole 'stupid' theory right there. Be careful where you point that thing, you might accidentally shoot yourself with it.
My only piece of advice is to balance out your FOX News watching with something as simple as google news. And not just the headlines either, actually READ the articles (especially the ones you think you'll disagree with) and you will find a whole new (real) world out there.
I dunno, go back up and see how many "the dems are just as bad" fluff posts with NO corroborative facts are modded at +2 +3 and whatnot. Seems like a pretty self-hating liberal bias to me.. Ya know, that's just how the 'liberal bias' in the media seems too... Like this:
"Support our troops, but don't torture prisoners."
"OMG, can you believe how BIASED that is? Those damn liberals are a bunch of Nazis, trying to take away our freedoms like that, they WANT the terrorists to win."
I was with you until that last paragraph. I think a more apt analogy would be that one is like counterfeiting nickels, the other is like counterfeiting bank accounts. I mean look at it, individual fraud vs/ systemic fraud... That's not nickels vs dimes, that's nickels vs large stacks of nickels.
Like Kansas and the rest of the U.S. midwest? Woo, that's alotta corn to be growin in what was recently (from a forward looking point of view) tundra and permifrost.
And besides, the whole 'it's okay cause we'll grow on greenland' crap is so myopic it's sick. Billions of people live near the equator, and they need the be able to grow food too. How many refugee mouths will the vast bounties of greenland feed exactly?
Or is it like New Orleans all over again? Fuck them for living in the wrong place, or what?
Oh man, do YOU know how to party! I haven't done that kind of thing in about 6 weeks or so.
Golden showers vampire style gives me a chubber.
For real though, don't bring any goats. The bruises those hooves leave are worse than a bad case of jumper-cable nipple, knowhatimean?
*smooches*
I disagree with the moderation here... This ONE TIME this lame ass comment is finally on topic. The topic being how many users will click on a malicious link offered up by some morally retarded troll.
Hell, it might could possibly maybe even be kinda considered insightful. Personally I'm glad that I don't have any (well, much) insight into the trollish mind.
No, you're a good troll. *pets the troll*
Yeah...
No pouting... Want me to drag my sack across your face?
*feeds the troll*
Mod parent up!
I (as in me myself, not the kids) actually use a program called netlogo. It's really an interesting paradigm for designing multiagent simulations and whatnot. It cmoes with a multitude of great examples that can be edited, combined, and refined to do all sorts of neat simulations. Highly recommended for adults and older children (due to it's complexity) who are interested in quick and dirty simulations.
My kids (twin 6 year old and a 4 year old) have already cut their teeth on MSWLogo (not a MS product BTW) and yeah, explaining angles and such is where I had to start. They are still fuzzy on the angles really, but basically know that 90 makes an angle for a square, and that 120 is for a triangle. I've only been at this for less than a month (and was thus delighted to see this article pop up and the logo conversation jump right off the bat) but the kids are already starting to understand things like procedures, procedures within procedures, and they are slowly starting to understand recursion thanks to the fractal library I've written. The math is way over their heads, but the basic concept of doing something small over and over again to get a big result is being understood.
:iter :size :iter1 [fd :size] [ccurve :iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2)] :iter1 [fd :size] [ccurve :iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2)]
:iter :size :angle :iter1 [fd :size stop] :iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2) 90 :angle :iter-1 sqrt (:size*:size/2) -90
:size :size10 [stop] :size :size-10 :size-10 :size
Here, for your turtle pushing pleasure are a couple of simple fractal samples.
to ccurve
rt 45
ifelse
lt 90
ifelse
rt 45
end
to dragcurve
if
dragcurve
rt
dragcurve
end
to drawtree
if
fd
rt 30
drawtree
lt 60
drawtree
rt 30
bk
end
The drawtree is the one that I explain in depth, as I designed it in a way that the kids could grasp. Maybe these will be useful to you in some way, as they have been for me and mine.
Enjoy!
It's modding like this that make me meta-mod. How can you even possibly consider this offtopic. The whole point of the linked to page is to try and clarify what patents MS is claiming are violated.
Smells like an astroturfer with mod points to me, and we all know that astroturfers are an unclean and heathen band of pansies who have sold out their freedom of speech rights for cash. Spineless chumps, I hope you choke on that paycheck.
I'm gonna meta-mod my ass off... YOU'RE GOING DOWN SHILL!
Adding to the 'more pressing issues' crowd, I'd like to say that the 2008 election, in my opinion, should be about:
#1: Torture.
#2: Habeas Corpus.
#3: Torture + Lack of Habeas Corpus!
#4: Abuse of power.
#5: the tying factor in all of them, the War. It's planning, it's execution, and most importantly, it's consequences.
You are correct in thinking that this issue is important and has far ranging implications, but the implications of anything other than a complete reversal of policy on the aforementioned issues is a speeding train heading toward a deep dark bridgeless pit.
Yeah, that's right, all criminals and should be taken care of.
Like that gotdam Saddam Hoosane, who tried to nuke us all but our great leader stopped him in his tracks. Too bad he hid the evidence and made the Decider look bad too all them stupid liberals out there who believe weapons inspectors with an agenda over our faithful and caring president.
In fact, let's go git all them dam hippies, freaks, and druggies that would stoop so low as to even THINK about stealing from the great lifegivers of our nation, the God Given Corporate Leadership. Bless their souls. They are 110% Jesus Approved(TM) so doing anything against them (even resistance to them stripping our rights) would be going against the will of God Himself.
BTW, in light of the bucketload of sarcasm I liberally drenched this post with, I'd like to point out that I in no way mean to offend real peace, love, hope and tolerance Christians, as I am one. I DO mean to offend those dollar-worshiping murder-happy Mammon worshipers who call themselves christian. Not that the parent-poster indicated religious tendencies, but that whole post sounded like it could come out of a "bible belt" sermon.
I have seen several posts expressing the same sentiment as yours (a sentiment I happen to agree with) and they all have been modded up.
To me, that's hilarious. It's like this, posts are modded by groupthink trends, positive and negative. Your post, an anti-groupthink post, gets modded up.
Groupthink is apparently anti-Groupthink. Every time I start thinking about that it gives me the giggles. I mean, it could just be raw denial spewing from some wound in the thought process you've caused, people with mod points out to prove (if only to themselves) that they are really individuals, but I prefer to think that groupthink really is self-loathing.
Hard to get bad press when you own the major media outlets, no?
Bullshit.
You use Vonage over a 56k modem and get back to me on that one.
Does fiction count? Like in Star Trek when ole' Picard says something like 'patch me through to Starfleet Command" or something? Or how about 2001:ASO when at the beginning the dude makes his phone call with the AT&T computer network. I bet a million examples (and probably explained in more detail then these) can be found throughout 20th century science fiction.
I mean, it's the idea itself that's patented right, so would fiction count?
Alrighty, one at a time...
1: Yes. There are plenty of open source compilers available. But what about the compiler THEY are compiled with? Okay then, lets go back a few decades and start compiling up open source compilers in as many steps as you need to compile a compiler for the language(s) that you're writing the voting software in, starting with some old copy of Bell Labs C or something, where the original binary compiler is assuredly not compromised in any way pertinent to the voting software. Do this once, openly, transparently and get a lovely golden and truely sacred copy of gcc or whatever.
2: Yes, with a little LCD screen with the binary's MD5 or something. It can be done if you really want actual VOTER verification of the binaries. Of course, this is not very hard to verify at the factory, or even at startup by administrators that can follow directions.
3: Yes? I don't understand this question exactly. Yes, you can know what machine the software is running on by designing a voting machine and writing software for it. Can the voter verify this? Well, no, not directly. Well maybe, but that would be complex. BUT, the same goes for tabulation of the vote with paper ballots, although the transparency isn't in the hardware, but the room itself. See, you don't necessarily get to watch them count it (at least not here) but a representative of both of the 2 biggest parties do, if I understand correctly. Now, knowing that there is SOME trust involved, you could have a couple of partisan or independant engineers look it over. If you're talking modification on the level of fake processors and such, well, that level of conspiracy will find a way to infiltrate ANY election more complex than a 'raise your hands'
4: Yes. The vast majority of hardware errors are caught in any reasonable production line. Those that are not are usually very evident if the machine undergoes a good burn-in test battery. The probability of a random hardware error changing the outcome of your vote is ridiculously near zero. Papaer ballot doesn't print? Swap in a new printer, like at the grocery store. You have to vote over again (and any decent software will cancel your vote and TELL YOU LOUDLY THAT IT HAS DONE SO (like that, but with bigger letters, flashing red text and maybe even sound!) at the first sign of problems) but that's not asking too much.
5: Well, that's a whole lotta yeses on the board. It's a bit late, and I don't know if I explained myself right, but I think it's about right. Paper ballots are great, except when some court tells you that it doesn't matter that you haven't gotten the same count twice, it's close enough. When the e-voting get to the point (like this law could likely take it) that it displays the ballot correctly, prints the paper correctly, and counts the votes correctly (with the paper ballot counts *gasp* MATCHING the e-votes) you'll find that paper seems to be the stuff that doesn't matter so much anymore... Still though, I'd like to keep it around, err on the side of caution and all that.
Frankly though, paper ballots have their own problems, mostly due to human corruption. With a proper e-voting machine we could make their bastardly jobs much MUCH harder.
Grow up. Are you fucking kidding me? 'I'd punch you in the nose for disagreeing with me like that?' (paraphrased)
And then "Grow up."
What a snotty little brat you are! Someone points out how obnoxious you're being and you feel the need to threaten them with violence and tell them to grow up? You fuckin little punk. Come punch me in the nose if it'll make you feel better. And if it DOES make you feel better, hold on to that feeling tightly and remember it forever, as the feeling won't last long at all.
Tough guy.