That still leaves caching web pages, in their frame. Even if that page says 'Copyright Megadodo 2006, All Rights Reserved'. In the Netherlands, there are precedents of that setup being forbidden anyway, cache or not. Those sites were making money by showing others content in their sites using frames. I wonder how this is different from Google. I wonder why people thought with the frames setup: this is NOT done, but defend the Google setup, because it happens to serve them.
Also, I wonder how I can turn this precedent into a p2p service. I'm not huge nor not evil, so that would give me a disadvantage in court as the judges always seem impressed by folks like Google. However, it seems the key is automation here. So, when I -automagically- cache stuff which I happened to find somewhere on a page or someones drive, it's OK?
Last time I tried PostgreSQL on a "simple website", despite the claims it ran at half the speed of MySQL. Of course we all know MySQL is 'cheating', or that PostgreSQL might scale better, which might be interesting for 0,01% of the web sites out there. Also, only 0,01% do need the power of Oracle or PostgreSQL, unlike developers at Slashdot, who always will tell you to run a "real database" like Oracle, or PostgreSQL.
Worst example ever posted on Slashdot.
Know your history!
In a time of David Siegel's and killer websites, Yahoo! was the sole big one that didn't go for shininess, and when Jacob 'Usability' Nielsen's star was rising, they were the prime example of usability and function over appearance. The value of that role should not be underestimated in that time, and it didn't take long before others reverted back and followed their example. The only 'mistake' they made, was they didn't offer search exclusively and joined the portal wars, as opposed to Google. However, Yahoo never was a searchengine. Also, they now both have basic search and a portal.
Ignorance or lack of knowledge give way to jokers who'd tell you how Al Gore or Microsoft invented the Internet, or how Outlook changed communication, in the meantime showing a tremendous lack of respect of what really happened. I'd classify this one among these. Google did not invent, let alone own the concept of usability.
Eventually, programming will not be a programmers job. Like in Star Trek (bear with me...) in the end it will only be about concept and getting the point across to the computer. I think when Joe comes in with non typed higher level languages, this is just a step towards that. It's just evolution. However, there is not much new in it. 1982 BASIC as mentioned above is less complex than Joe's tools today the guy is talking about. Also, remember that Joe's stupid brother Bill could be a web developer in 1998, but today it actually grew more complex (scripting, XML, AJAX, etc.) and shuts all Bills out. The original HTML was for Bill. (Although there are some nice tools for Bill now.) I'd argue we took a step backwards as I'd not underestimate the complexity of the explosion of interlinked technologies an average web developer must cope with. I've programmed in assembler when it was frowned upon to use C (for the lame and stupid) back in the 80ties, I've done C/C++, LAMP and now LAMP/AJAX, and let me tell you, there is no such thing as a lack of complexity in web development, it mostly exists in the heads of hardcore C/C++ programmers who like to think of themselves as higher on the evolutionary scale. So, hey, I managed to (dis)agree with both guys at the same time. No I don't think it should be a programmers job. But, yes, unfortunately it is and has become more so.
Hi, you're right, I didn't read your first reply correctly. Mostly I agree with you. B&O and other external quality design (while having the same crap inside) is also not quite what I'm looking for.
>You do realize that the "sound chip" in an iPod is ridiculously good, right? As in, it already is capable of better sound than most people will ever have the capability of appreciating, because of how it's used.
Really? According to a BLIND test by CNET last year, iPod came out last. You read that right, last. They tested 6 MP players from the major brands in the same price range, and let sterophile listen to them in the blind using the same high end headset. Just in case you didn't read correctly: iPod sounded the worst.
iPod users seem users whos perception is easily altered by marketing. Apple must be jumping up and down to have created this effect, and actually have users like you market for them, by claiming things which are not ("ridiculously good" or last in the field?).
"but collective presence of lesser-known brands has helped keep prices down while boosting product choices"
I like small brands, but not the ones which want to compete on price. I like the ones who step out of the mass market pricing. Take MP3-players for instance. There are only four major components in MP3 players, e.g. the soundchip, and when you produce one for the mass market, it's about economics and juggling with costs and prices. You end up with an endless stream of MP3-players from companies who buy these components of just a few competing factories, and actually they end up all being the same. There is not much difference in hardware quality between the iPod and the low market "fantasy brand" players. They are buying the same components, to compete.
Now if they left that paradigm, and choose components based on quality, it gets interesting. In my MP3-example, I'd like to buy an MP3-player which boasts a better sound chip, which would require more power, which would mean a really expensive battery, which would mean it would never have been made by Sony for the mass market.
That's all nice, but basically what you're saying is:
Do not think.
Trust your big daddy.
Let big daddy do the thinking for you.
In this case bid daddy is an advertisement broker/spyware company, which does services like search, e-mail, and now wifi to serve ads and gather info at the same time.
So, oi guys, let's never lay off of Google, and always keep thinking ourselves. Really.
I've almost never seen OO been put to good use with PHP. It's used exclusively as a tool for the developer to write, as the author puts it, "more maintainable code". However, with the (lack of) real complexity and sprawling code bases which accounts for most web sites, it just adds complexity by adding a "system" for the developer.
Forgetting the developer, it adds nothing, and has a major impact on speed and memory. It adds nothing as in 99,9% of the times I've seen it used, it's 1) stateless and 2) a collection of single object instances (one page, one database connection, one user, etc.).
In a lot of cases, I think the programmers would have been a lot better of just seperating the logic in functions and few files, and then he can understand his own code after a few months off it.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010610.html
PDF should die a horrible dead alone for the, seemingly practical joke that whenever it launches it will come up with a reason NOT to show the document, preferably by announcing its, seemingly hourly version update.
OK, it's news for nerds, but this is even too nerdy for me. The pain! The agony! Please stop giving version numbers to real life stuff. Real life is not CVS, thank you. I don't call my second wife Wife 2.0 either, neither do I refer to McDonald's latest offering as 0.9 beta. Snap out of it!
I find it particulary disturbing that according to a lot of Slashdot posters, if I produce something tangible from material, it's OK to make money of my production in exactly the way I choose or like, however, if I happen to make something which is copyable and can be distributed digitally, it's all about these Slashdot people's rights and how I must conform to their habits of wanting stuff for as little as possible. If you are clearly unable to think for both sides these argumentations are not even starting to get "Interesting".
"Google hopes to use this as an opportunity to help bring global censorship into the spotlight of American politics."
Bah. Go to China just to earn money. Help the government censor because not bowing to them could hurt your objective. Then spin it around it was a plan all along for the good of humanity.
All goes well up to number 3.
If you mention Snow Crash and not its big mother Neuromancer, he has not read Neuromancer, and the list devaluates.
Second, Matrix on 1 and 2? It's an entertaining, commercial mix between old eighties skool Neuromancer conceps, new tech singularity concepts, and, ehrm, kung-fu like crap. Cinematic surely, but a whole bunch of stolen crap mixed together to form siliness. Style over content, as computers will never fight humans by rendering characters in the humans mind and picking fights with them.
Yes, the 90% of Outlook that is not e-mail. I love it!
I use Outlook for my personal finance. I use Outlook to
download my p2p music. I use Outlook to frag the hell out of people.
E-mail? Pah! Who wants to e-mail with Outlook?? How dare you say
Outlook is an e-mail program?
No sane company uses Outlook:
- Not RFC compliant and it should die horribly alone for reverting the order of replies;
- What a red flag is for a bull, is Outlook for script buddies and crackers. A company that runs Outlook is like a matador in red: not smart.
Personally, being outsourced so many times, I see Outlook used only in clueless companies where the PH management started using Outlook, and either don't know or don't want to know anything else.
I agree that no sane company should use centralized e-mail as well, especially when in another country or continent.
I always wondered about this..how long before digging up or "discovering" someone's grave before you're no longer a vandal of the worst kind, but a hero in the Indiana Jones mood?
>I find it very telling that OS X already surpasses Vista's current interface
Does it? I think both don't surpass anything less than 10 years old. What you're talking about is themes. Most users I know use the W2K theme, so the theme doesn't actually get into the way of interfacing. I'm a firm believer the interface should not be eye candy, but the content, and it gets cognitively in the way because of its very nature. Going back to the interface, with Vista you can click on an icon, and the program starts. No innovation of revolution at all. Spare me your docks or start bars, these are just more shortcuts. Nothing has happened to the inteface in over 10 years! Either that means it's good, or the Apple's and MS's of this world are really sad..
Yes, no.
There are two methods of measuring temperatures WAAAY back:
- Geographical/geological. E.g. take a slice of rock at the base of a mountain and read the history of temperatures in its layers. Also works with trees.
- Taxonomic zoology. If you look at tiny little critters of a certain kind all over the globe (their simplicity makes them easy to compare), for instance gammarus, you'll notice tiny variations. These are linked to events in history, such as increases or decreases in temperature, which caused tiny alterations in evolution.
I wish all these geeks/nerds would stop copying eachother, and get a personality of their own. They are uniform wearers, just as the suits.
Personally, having been into technology and computers from when I was a child, I hate being labelled just because of my field. I don't see a difference with people who have their 'thing' in other fields, be it sports, music, journalism, etc., and we aren't calling Jordan a sports geek and Madonna a music nerd. But when I know how to succesfully trigger an emacs vs vi flame war, I must start wearing cheap t-shirts, smelly sneakers (the uniform) and attach the well documented personality to it. No thank you.
You guys with the 'proud to be a nerd' thing have a serious lack of identity. I feel sorry for you.
Mathematicians, chemists, engineers, computer scientists can perform there jobs anywhere, which means outsourcing and a narrowing of the wage gap between the West and the rest of the world.
Indeed. This is really a point I miss in this article. More than ever, students are making choices based on the future stability of the field and knowledge, and those who are least likely to inflation. Hell, we won't go to Clothing Manufacturing College, neither do we go for Porn Movie Reviewer PhD if we only aim for what's "interesting". Maybe the examples are over the top, but this article doesn't even touch the surface of what students are really thinking about in terms of their FUTURE! From this perspective I can say: A good thing about maths is that the knowledge does not inflate. Bad is that it is typically a powerless carreer. Very bad is that anyone in the world, with the only tool required the free brain, can compete.
Well, come on, even my grandmother knows for at least a year the next step for Apple is the iPhone. It's not like no one ever got this idea before. They even made their first step already. So all/.ers who modded this 'interesting': my grandmommy knows more than you do:P
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That still leaves caching web pages, in their frame. Even if that page says 'Copyright Megadodo 2006, All Rights Reserved'. In the Netherlands, there are precedents of that setup being forbidden anyway, cache or not. Those sites were making money by showing others content in their sites using frames. I wonder how this is different from Google. I wonder why people thought with the frames setup: this is NOT done, but defend the Google setup, because it happens to serve them. Also, I wonder how I can turn this precedent into a p2p service. I'm not huge nor not evil, so that would give me a disadvantage in court as the judges always seem impressed by folks like Google. However, it seems the key is automation here. So, when I -automagically- cache stuff which I happened to find somewhere on a page or someones drive, it's OK?
Last time I tried PostgreSQL on a "simple website", despite the claims it ran at half the speed of MySQL. Of course we all know MySQL is 'cheating', or that PostgreSQL might scale better, which might be interesting for 0,01% of the web sites out there. Also, only 0,01% do need the power of Oracle or PostgreSQL, unlike developers at Slashdot, who always will tell you to run a "real database" like Oracle, or PostgreSQL.
Worst example ever posted on Slashdot.
Know your history!
In a time of David Siegel's and killer websites, Yahoo! was the sole big one that didn't go for shininess, and when Jacob 'Usability' Nielsen's star was rising, they were the prime example of usability and function over appearance. The value of that role should not be underestimated in that time, and it didn't take long before others reverted back and followed their example. The only 'mistake' they made, was they didn't offer search exclusively and joined the portal wars, as opposed to Google. However, Yahoo never was a searchengine. Also, they now both have basic search and a portal.
Ignorance or lack of knowledge give way to jokers who'd tell you how Al Gore or Microsoft invented the Internet, or how Outlook changed communication, in the meantime showing a tremendous lack of respect of what really happened. I'd classify this one among these. Google did not invent, let alone own the concept of usability.
Eventually, programming will not be a programmers job. Like in Star Trek (bear with me...) in the end it will only be about concept and getting the point across to the computer. I think when Joe comes in with non typed higher level languages, this is just a step towards that. It's just evolution. However, there is not much new in it. 1982 BASIC as mentioned above is less complex than Joe's tools today the guy is talking about. Also, remember that Joe's stupid brother Bill could be a web developer in 1998, but today it actually grew more complex (scripting, XML, AJAX, etc.) and shuts all Bills out. The original HTML was for Bill. (Although there are some nice tools for Bill now.) I'd argue we took a step backwards as I'd not underestimate the complexity of the explosion of interlinked technologies an average web developer must cope with. I've programmed in assembler when it was frowned upon to use C (for the lame and stupid) back in the 80ties, I've done C/C++, LAMP and now LAMP/AJAX, and let me tell you, there is no such thing as a lack of complexity in web development, it mostly exists in the heads of hardcore C/C++ programmers who like to think of themselves as higher on the evolutionary scale. So, hey, I managed to (dis)agree with both guys at the same time. No I don't think it should be a programmers job. But, yes, unfortunately it is and has become more so.
Here's the link you asked for with CNET MP3 reviews. They like Sony: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6450_7-6247126-1.html ?tag=prmo1/
Really? According to a BLIND test by CNET last year, iPod came out last. You read that right, last. They tested 6 MP players from the major brands in the same price range, and let sterophile listen to them in the blind using the same high end headset. Just in case you didn't read correctly: iPod sounded the worst.
iPod users seem users whos perception is easily altered by marketing. Apple must be jumping up and down to have created this effect, and actually have users like you market for them, by claiming things which are not ("ridiculously good" or last in the field?).
I like small brands, but not the ones which want to compete on price. I like the ones who step out of the mass market pricing. Take MP3-players for instance. There are only four major components in MP3 players, e.g. the soundchip, and when you produce one for the mass market, it's about economics and juggling with costs and prices. You end up with an endless stream of MP3-players from companies who buy these components of just a few competing factories, and actually they end up all being the same. There is not much difference in hardware quality between the iPod and the low market "fantasy brand" players. They are buying the same components, to compete.
Now if they left that paradigm, and choose components based on quality, it gets interesting. In my MP3-example, I'd like to buy an MP3-player which boasts a better sound chip, which would require more power, which would mean a really expensive battery, which would mean it would never have been made by Sony for the mass market.
Oi aye matey, now there it was! Gimme back my pirate pint of wine and I'll spair ye'll puny lives!
Do not think.
Trust your big daddy.
Let big daddy do the thinking for you.
In this case bid daddy is an advertisement broker/spyware company, which does services like search, e-mail, and now wifi to serve ads and gather info at the same time.
So, oi guys, let's never lay off of Google, and always keep thinking ourselves. Really.
I've almost never seen OO been put to good use with PHP. It's used exclusively as a tool for the developer to write, as the author puts it, "more maintainable code". However, with the (lack of) real complexity and sprawling code bases which accounts for most web sites, it just adds complexity by adding a "system" for the developer.
Forgetting the developer, it adds nothing, and has a major impact on speed and memory. It adds nothing as in 99,9% of the times I've seen it used, it's 1) stateless and 2) a collection of single object instances (one page, one database connection, one user, etc.).
In a lot of cases, I think the programmers would have been a lot better of just seperating the logic in functions and few files, and then he can understand his own code after a few months off it.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010610.html PDF should die a horrible dead alone for the, seemingly practical joke that whenever it launches it will come up with a reason NOT to show the document, preferably by announcing its, seemingly hourly version update.
OK, it's news for nerds, but this is even too nerdy for me. The pain! The agony! Please stop giving version numbers to real life stuff. Real life is not CVS, thank you. I don't call my second wife Wife 2.0 either, neither do I refer to McDonald's latest offering as 0.9 beta. Snap out of it!
I find it particulary disturbing that according to a lot of Slashdot posters, if I produce something tangible from material, it's OK to make money of my production in exactly the way I choose or like, however, if I happen to make something which is copyable and can be distributed digitally, it's all about these Slashdot people's rights and how I must conform to their habits of wanting stuff for as little as possible. If you are clearly unable to think for both sides these argumentations are not even starting to get "Interesting".
Bah. Go to China just to earn money. Help the government censor because not bowing to them could hurt your objective. Then spin it around it was a plan all along for the good of humanity.
Google is evil.
All goes well up to number 3.
If you mention Snow Crash and not its big mother Neuromancer, he has not read Neuromancer, and the list devaluates.
Second, Matrix on 1 and 2? It's an entertaining, commercial mix between old eighties skool Neuromancer conceps, new tech singularity concepts, and, ehrm, kung-fu like crap. Cinematic surely, but a whole bunch of stolen crap mixed together to form siliness. Style over content, as computers will never fight humans by rendering characters in the humans mind and picking fights with them.
Yes, the 90% of Outlook that is not e-mail. I love it! I use Outlook for my personal finance. I use Outlook to download my p2p music. I use Outlook to frag the hell out of people. E-mail? Pah! Who wants to e-mail with Outlook?? How dare you say Outlook is an e-mail program?
Fine if you don't agree, but don't mod down as troll when it's not..that's sad.
No sane company uses Outlook:
- Not RFC compliant and it should die horribly alone for reverting the order of replies;
- What a red flag is for a bull, is Outlook for script buddies and crackers. A company that runs Outlook is like a matador in red: not smart.
Personally, being outsourced so many times, I see Outlook used only in clueless companies where the PH management started using Outlook, and either don't know or don't want to know anything else. I agree that no sane company should use centralized e-mail as well, especially when in another country or continent.
Steal his lines from Yoda, he does, hmmm?
I always wondered about this..how long before digging up or "discovering" someone's grave before you're no longer a vandal of the worst kind, but a hero in the Indiana Jones mood?
>I find it very telling that OS X already surpasses Vista's current interface Does it? I think both don't surpass anything less than 10 years old. What you're talking about is themes. Most users I know use the W2K theme, so the theme doesn't actually get into the way of interfacing. I'm a firm believer the interface should not be eye candy, but the content, and it gets cognitively in the way because of its very nature. Going back to the interface, with Vista you can click on an icon, and the program starts. No innovation of revolution at all. Spare me your docks or start bars, these are just more shortcuts. Nothing has happened to the inteface in over 10 years! Either that means it's good, or the Apple's and MS's of this world are really sad..
I suspect the been measuring for a couple hundred
Yes, no.
There are two methods of measuring temperatures WAAAY back: - Geographical/geological. E.g. take a slice of rock at the base of a mountain and read the history of temperatures in its layers. Also works with trees.
- Taxonomic zoology. If you look at tiny little critters of a certain kind all over the globe (their simplicity makes them easy to compare), for instance gammarus, you'll notice tiny variations. These are linked to events in history, such as increases or decreases in temperature, which caused tiny alterations in evolution.
I wish all these geeks/nerds would stop copying eachother, and get a personality of their own. They are uniform wearers, just as the suits.
Personally, having been into technology and computers from when I was a child, I hate being labelled just because of my field. I don't see a difference with people who have their 'thing' in other fields, be it sports, music, journalism, etc., and we aren't calling Jordan a sports geek and Madonna a music nerd. But when I know how to succesfully trigger an emacs vs vi flame war, I must start wearing cheap t-shirts, smelly sneakers (the uniform) and attach the well documented personality to it. No thank you.
You guys with the 'proud to be a nerd' thing have a serious lack of identity. I feel sorry for you.
Mathematicians, chemists, engineers, computer scientists can perform there jobs anywhere, which means outsourcing and a narrowing of the wage gap between the West and the rest of the world.
Indeed. This is really a point I miss in this article. More than ever, students are making choices based on the future stability of the field and knowledge, and those who are least likely to inflation. Hell, we won't go to Clothing Manufacturing College, neither do we go for Porn Movie Reviewer PhD if we only aim for what's "interesting". Maybe the examples are over the top, but this article doesn't even touch the surface of what students are really thinking about in terms of their FUTURE! From this perspective I can say: A good thing about maths is that the knowledge does not inflate. Bad is that it is typically a powerless carreer. Very bad is that anyone in the world, with the only tool required the free brain, can compete.
Well, come on, even my grandmother knows for at least a year the next step for Apple is the iPhone. It's not like no one ever got this idea before. They even made their first step already. So all /.ers who modded this 'interesting': my grandmommy knows more than you do :P