Is THAT what your whole attitude problem is about? Then I think we do have a significant misunderstanding here.
I never meant to imply that a reboot was the preferred solution for every computer related problem, nor really the solution for any problem in general. I took issue with your attitude, arrogance, and how condescending you were being- I thought maybe that was evident in the tone of my posts, but I suppose a text medium internet doesn't portray that too well.
As far rebooting as a 'fix' goes, in most cases you are right, that its just a workaround or stopgap measure in lieu of a permanent fix- but in this particular case, there isn't really an underlying problem causing the drive to be disconnected. It's an accidental removal, or a lack of forethought, not a standing long-term issue that requires a permanent fix. In this case, so long as the user understands that its bad to just pull the drive out, a reboot is really all the fix thats needed. Regardless, I only recommend a reboot when I don't have the personnel to have someone on site immediately, primarily to get them back up and running now. That is a problem with my company that is simply above me; we really do not have the number of people we need, nor do our users receive enough training to avoid those exact situations where "reboot to cure the symptom, and don't do that again" is the 'fix' for the issue.
If you have the time, personnel, and user competence level to address every issue immediately and permanently without having to give somebody a temporary workaround, then I applaud your company.
You do realize that the biggest problem in this industry would be thick-headed people, such as yourself, who think they know it all, right? Well, I apologize my good man, but you do not. I hope you're already well-settled into your career, because someone with your attitude couldn't land a minimum wage position, much less start a career. I don't think I want to know what's gotten you so jaded. Maybe you can track down the problem behind that symptom?
Still, you wouldn't be better than anyone else even if you WERE always right. The fact that you don't even understand what you are arguing or the terminology you are using doesn't help the illusion much. Are you even convincing yourself with the false superiority act? You can stop that anytime you like, by the way; if you're convincing yourself, that makes one person.
Meanwhile, I think I can manage to keep the magic smoke in on my own, good sir:)
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. You're getting so flustered that you can't even type correctly. There is a preview button for that exact reason, you know.
You're wrong, your analogies are inaccurate, and your standpoint is inherently flawed. It's ok- it happens to all of us. Just because you're an arrogant elitist doesn't mean you will always be right. Carrying on like this won't change any of that, and I'm beginning to think we need to take measures to keep you from cutting yourself; you don't need to go this far just to "prove" your point.
Take solace in the fact that the idea behind your statements isn't completely wrong and is very applicable in many situations, even if you didn't quite hit the mark in this case.
I'd have to return your question, for the aforementioned reason- by definition, a fix occurs after the problem in question. Preventive measures are not, and never will be fixes.
As stated, a fix corrects a problem. Preventing a problem from occurring in the first place is a completely different topic. So no, not doing something in the first place is not a fix. Feigned intellectual superiority will not make you right. You are arguing semantics.
As stated, he knows what went wrong. Doing or not doing it in the first place wasn't really an issue- it was a mistake. They happen. The problem never was that he did it in the first place. We aren't talking about someone cutting themselves intentionally and repeatedly, we're talking about a knife slipping and cutting the victim. He knows not to cut himself, it happened accidentally, without thought. There is no underlying problem causing that to happen. The only problem is the effect of that accident, which is fixed by the reboot.
Alright seriously. Yes, a reboot fixes it.
Dictionary.com:
Fix -verb (used with object)
1. to repair; mend.
driving from that.
dictionary.com:
Repair -verb (used with object)
1. to restore to a good or sound condition after decay or damage; mend: to repair a motor.
Not doing something in the first place is not a fix or repair. By the very definition of the word a fix or repair occurs after the damage has taken place.
This is akin to telling someone that the best way to heal a wound is not to get one in the first place. Do you work for HR at my company by any chance?
That right there is the big Achilles Heel of IT, and the reason there are so many IT workers but so few competent ones.
Hiring decisions are generally not made by IT workers, but rather by an HR zombie. Your company may be different- if so, count yourself lucky. These HR Zombies look for two things: the "flavor of the month" certification, and experience. Problem is, any drone with a credit card and a web browser can all buy buy his certification online.
In the case of experience, well, it rapidly becomes useless as new technologies are adopted. Granted, few companies adopt new technologies immediately, but many work on a limited life cycle for equipment. And unfortunately, a considerable portion of IT workers don't learn new technologies until they have to- and then, its rushed.
The good ones are those who stay on top of things- these are the people who are genuinely interested in the field. And these days, they are a rarity among a multitude of those who just saw IT as another "get rich quick" scheme.
Yeah, I said as much, I still thing the idea is silly though; mainly because peer to peer isn't a protocol in and of itself to begin with, just a description of what it is- different protocols handle it different ways. A new, more efficient protocol for a peer to peer transfer is still a peer to peer transfer.
Yeah! Lets increment a number that isn't actually carrying a numeric value!
We no longer transfer peer 2 peer.
Information is now provided by peers, 4 peers.
Of all the benefits that linux has over windows, how many of those does the average user care about?
Security? Aside from "security by obscurity," the average user is no more secure on a linux machine than on a windows machine; he's still going to click on links he probably shouldn't, and when dangerous content DOES get blocked by existing settings, he's just going to get his geek friend (who is usually, in this scenario, far less able than the user perceives him to be) to fix it for him.
Stability? As noted above, the lack of restraint and forethought on the part of the average user will rather quickly render a linux machine no more stable than his windows box.
The whole list goes on. Next to none of the advantages linux has over windows are going to even be noticed by the average user, and few will prove to be any real benefit given his practices.
Probably the only advantage the average user could note would be the price. In most cases, however, the average user is not pricing a system out component by component, but is buying a completely prefabricated, preloaded, "plug in and go" machine. In this case, with windows overwhelmingly prevalent as the preinstalled operating system on such machines, windows doesn't appear to have a price; its just a part of the total.
The disadvantages that linux has compared to windows, on the other hand, will be FAR more noticeable to that average user. This is argued all over the place, with people citing that this desktop environment or that is user friendly and easy to use, etc, etc. But does the average user even know what a desktop environment is? No, not at all. In fact, the average user doesn't even really understand the interface of his windows machine, just knows that he clicks on this to do this, and that to do that. Whether the average user knowing how to use his machine or not is not even worth asking- the answer is no, no, no! The question to ask here, is when the average user inevitably breaks his machine, is whether his geek friend can fix it. Fact of the matter is, there are far more people out there who are marginally competent enough to fix a windows PC than there are people who know the first thing about linux. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that perhaps this was part of microsofts plan with their certification programs- how much value would any of us put on the average microsoft certification? But hey, you can fix a windows PC if someone breaks it...
The fact that there are alternatives to windows programs available on linux is immaterial to the average user- he walks into a store to buy his programs. How many boxed copies of open office, gimp, etc. Do you see on the shelf at best buy?
Vista was a lost cause from the get-go, and OSX is still largely a 'niche' operating system. Is comparing the number of exploits in either truly noteworthy?
So tell me in your own words, exactly in what way does an embarrassment, regardless of the scale or intent, warrant a harsher punishment than the potentially lifelong psychological repercussions of sexual harassment?
And your sarcasm wasn't missed, it was merely ignored, because what you were suggesting was ludicrous. Even if it was a "model student," in most cases there would be no way to recover from that length of a suspension for the year.
His aptitude as a student, his general demeanor, and the asininity of lawyers is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It still is, unarguably an extremely excessive punishment given the actual severity of the situation. Attempting to gain credibility for yourself by insulting my intelligence will not make you any less wrong, I'm sorry to say.
Aren't most network authentications permission based? And don't a number of wireless cards automatically connect if they find only one wireless network and it is not secured?
If they don't want anonymous access, don't want anonymous access. If anonymous access is allowed, then anyone accessing it DOES have permission as far as the network is concerned.
It's not a matter of leaving your doors open and still expecting people not to enter your home. Authentication is permission based. It's the equivalent of giving someone a key to your house, never telling them they don't want you in there, and then suddenly getting pissed when they actually use that key.
Thats irrelevant. The number of people who witness an offense does not change the severity of the offense. Maybe his was more premeditated, and at a larger scale, but the actual offense itself- screwing off in class and embarassing someone -is a far lesser one than sexual harassment. The penalty for first-offense sexual harassment is generally a week suspension across the board. I'm certain some cases of this are far more harmful than some stupid video.
Now, addressing your other point, about him being a model student. I don't know how the public education system works on your end, but where I'm at, whether or not a student is allowed to "make up" missed assignments is at the whim of each of his teachers; this is because suspension and expulsion are not classified as 'excused' absences. The option to just "test out" is not an option at all, because of the proportional weight of in-class and homework assignments compared to that of tests. It is not possible, in almost all cases, to pass based on test scores alone. So no, in this situation, it would not be possible for him to pass with such a large suspension, unless ALL of his teachers were sympathetic.
Essentially, you are wrong in every way that matters as far as this discussion goes.
Not even this long ago, my senior year in high school, early 2001, I used a homosexual slur on a teacher who turned out to in fact be a homosexual- I was suspended for 1 week for sexual harassment of all things. 1 week.
And 40 days for this?
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Is THAT what your whole attitude problem is about? Then I think we do have a significant misunderstanding here.
I never meant to imply that a reboot was the preferred solution for every computer related problem, nor really the solution for any problem in general. I took issue with your attitude, arrogance, and how condescending you were being- I thought maybe that was evident in the tone of my posts, but I suppose a text medium internet doesn't portray that too well.
As far rebooting as a 'fix' goes, in most cases you are right, that its just a workaround or stopgap measure in lieu of a permanent fix- but in this particular case, there isn't really an underlying problem causing the drive to be disconnected. It's an accidental removal, or a lack of forethought, not a standing long-term issue that requires a permanent fix. In this case, so long as the user understands that its bad to just pull the drive out, a reboot is really all the fix thats needed. Regardless, I only recommend a reboot when I don't have the personnel to have someone on site immediately, primarily to get them back up and running now. That is a problem with my company that is simply above me; we really do not have the number of people we need, nor do our users receive enough training to avoid those exact situations where "reboot to cure the symptom, and don't do that again" is the 'fix' for the issue.
If you have the time, personnel, and user competence level to address every issue immediately and permanently without having to give somebody a temporary workaround, then I applaud your company.
I hope that clears things up a bit.
You do realize that the biggest problem in this industry would be thick-headed people, such as yourself, who think they know it all, right? Well, I apologize my good man, but you do not. I hope you're already well-settled into your career, because someone with your attitude couldn't land a minimum wage position, much less start a career. I don't think I want to know what's gotten you so jaded. Maybe you can track down the problem behind that symptom?
:)
Still, you wouldn't be better than anyone else even if you WERE always right. The fact that you don't even understand what you are arguing or the terminology you are using doesn't help the illusion much. Are you even convincing yourself with the false superiority act? You can stop that anytime you like, by the way; if you're convincing yourself, that makes one person.
Meanwhile, I think I can manage to keep the magic smoke in on my own, good sir
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself. You're getting so flustered that you can't even type correctly. There is a preview button for that exact reason, you know.
You're wrong, your analogies are inaccurate, and your standpoint is inherently flawed. It's ok- it happens to all of us. Just because you're an arrogant elitist doesn't mean you will always be right. Carrying on like this won't change any of that, and I'm beginning to think we need to take measures to keep you from cutting yourself; you don't need to go this far just to "prove" your point.
Take solace in the fact that the idea behind your statements isn't completely wrong and is very applicable in many situations, even if you didn't quite hit the mark in this case.
I'd have to return your question, for the aforementioned reason- by definition, a fix occurs after the problem in question. Preventive measures are not, and never will be fixes.
As stated, a fix corrects a problem. Preventing a problem from occurring in the first place is a completely different topic. So no, not doing something in the first place is not a fix. Feigned intellectual superiority will not make you right. You are arguing semantics.
As stated, he knows what went wrong. Doing or not doing it in the first place wasn't really an issue- it was a mistake. They happen. The problem never was that he did it in the first place. We aren't talking about someone cutting themselves intentionally and repeatedly, we're talking about a knife slipping and cutting the victim. He knows not to cut himself, it happened accidentally, without thought. There is no underlying problem causing that to happen. The only problem is the effect of that accident, which is fixed by the reboot.
What?!? Nine Thousand?!?
Alright seriously. Yes, a reboot fixes it. Dictionary.com: Fix -verb (used with object) 1. to repair; mend. driving from that. dictionary.com: Repair -verb (used with object) 1. to restore to a good or sound condition after decay or damage; mend: to repair a motor. Not doing something in the first place is not a fix or repair. By the very definition of the word a fix or repair occurs after the damage has taken place. This is akin to telling someone that the best way to heal a wound is not to get one in the first place. Do you work for HR at my company by any chance?
I can quit any time. I just choose not to...
That right there is the big Achilles Heel of IT, and the reason there are so many IT workers but so few competent ones. Hiring decisions are generally not made by IT workers, but rather by an HR zombie. Your company may be different- if so, count yourself lucky. These HR Zombies look for two things: the "flavor of the month" certification, and experience. Problem is, any drone with a credit card and a web browser can all buy buy his certification online. In the case of experience, well, it rapidly becomes useless as new technologies are adopted. Granted, few companies adopt new technologies immediately, but many work on a limited life cycle for equipment. And unfortunately, a considerable portion of IT workers don't learn new technologies until they have to- and then, its rushed. The good ones are those who stay on top of things- these are the people who are genuinely interested in the field. And these days, they are a rarity among a multitude of those who just saw IT as another "get rich quick" scheme.
Pierre seize Pierre?
P8P? Open source lesbian pr0n?
Yeah, I said as much, I still thing the idea is silly though; mainly because peer to peer isn't a protocol in and of itself to begin with, just a description of what it is- different protocols handle it different ways. A new, more efficient protocol for a peer to peer transfer is still a peer to peer transfer.
Yeah! Lets increment a number that isn't actually carrying a numeric value! We no longer transfer peer 2 peer. Information is now provided by peers, 4 peers.
Or 30 seconds for some of us...
Of all the benefits that linux has over windows, how many of those does the average user care about? Security? Aside from "security by obscurity," the average user is no more secure on a linux machine than on a windows machine; he's still going to click on links he probably shouldn't, and when dangerous content DOES get blocked by existing settings, he's just going to get his geek friend (who is usually, in this scenario, far less able than the user perceives him to be) to fix it for him. Stability? As noted above, the lack of restraint and forethought on the part of the average user will rather quickly render a linux machine no more stable than his windows box. The whole list goes on. Next to none of the advantages linux has over windows are going to even be noticed by the average user, and few will prove to be any real benefit given his practices. Probably the only advantage the average user could note would be the price. In most cases, however, the average user is not pricing a system out component by component, but is buying a completely prefabricated, preloaded, "plug in and go" machine. In this case, with windows overwhelmingly prevalent as the preinstalled operating system on such machines, windows doesn't appear to have a price; its just a part of the total. The disadvantages that linux has compared to windows, on the other hand, will be FAR more noticeable to that average user. This is argued all over the place, with people citing that this desktop environment or that is user friendly and easy to use, etc, etc. But does the average user even know what a desktop environment is? No, not at all. In fact, the average user doesn't even really understand the interface of his windows machine, just knows that he clicks on this to do this, and that to do that. Whether the average user knowing how to use his machine or not is not even worth asking- the answer is no, no, no! The question to ask here, is when the average user inevitably breaks his machine, is whether his geek friend can fix it. Fact of the matter is, there are far more people out there who are marginally competent enough to fix a windows PC than there are people who know the first thing about linux. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that perhaps this was part of microsofts plan with their certification programs- how much value would any of us put on the average microsoft certification? But hey, you can fix a windows PC if someone breaks it... The fact that there are alternatives to windows programs available on linux is immaterial to the average user- he walks into a store to buy his programs. How many boxed copies of open office, gimp, etc. Do you see on the shelf at best buy?
Use of programs such as spybot, hijackthis, and their ilk has been criminalized
You must be awfully young if you don't consider events from last year recent.
Vista was a lost cause from the get-go, and OSX is still largely a 'niche' operating system. Is comparing the number of exploits in either truly noteworthy?
So basically they are using a high altitude Spinnaker?
I'm still not about to mess with the shit.
You don't get it.
So tell me in your own words, exactly in what way does an embarrassment, regardless of the scale or intent, warrant a harsher punishment than the potentially lifelong psychological repercussions of sexual harassment?
And your sarcasm wasn't missed, it was merely ignored, because what you were suggesting was ludicrous. Even if it was a "model student," in most cases there would be no way to recover from that length of a suspension for the year.
His aptitude as a student, his general demeanor, and the asininity of lawyers is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It still is, unarguably an extremely excessive punishment given the actual severity of the situation. Attempting to gain credibility for yourself by insulting my intelligence will not make you any less wrong, I'm sorry to say.
Aren't most network authentications permission based? And don't a number of wireless cards automatically connect if they find only one wireless network and it is not secured? If they don't want anonymous access, don't want anonymous access. If anonymous access is allowed, then anyone accessing it DOES have permission as far as the network is concerned. It's not a matter of leaving your doors open and still expecting people not to enter your home. Authentication is permission based. It's the equivalent of giving someone a key to your house, never telling them they don't want you in there, and then suddenly getting pissed when they actually use that key.
Thats irrelevant. The number of people who witness an offense does not change the severity of the offense. Maybe his was more premeditated, and at a larger scale, but the actual offense itself- screwing off in class and embarassing someone -is a far lesser one than sexual harassment. The penalty for first-offense sexual harassment is generally a week suspension across the board. I'm certain some cases of this are far more harmful than some stupid video. Now, addressing your other point, about him being a model student. I don't know how the public education system works on your end, but where I'm at, whether or not a student is allowed to "make up" missed assignments is at the whim of each of his teachers; this is because suspension and expulsion are not classified as 'excused' absences. The option to just "test out" is not an option at all, because of the proportional weight of in-class and homework assignments compared to that of tests. It is not possible, in almost all cases, to pass based on test scores alone. So no, in this situation, it would not be possible for him to pass with such a large suspension, unless ALL of his teachers were sympathetic. Essentially, you are wrong in every way that matters as far as this discussion goes.
Not even this long ago, my senior year in high school, early 2001, I used a homosexual slur on a teacher who turned out to in fact be a homosexual- I was suspended for 1 week for sexual harassment of all things. 1 week. And 40 days for this?