For the Chinese government and their larger businesses I think their major concerns are not price. They are being "driven to the Linux camp" because they can review the source code and make sure MS isn't facilitating spying on behalf of the US government. This is why efforts like Red Flag Linux were initiated, IMO.
<tinfoil> Likewise, having access to source and their own distro allows them to add hooks and backdoors to spy on their own citizens. </tinfoil>
I realize that the above doesn't apply to the average user in China but considering the majority of the market over there right now is government and business I'm sure MS is more concerned with them switching to Linux then the average Chinese citizen...
Considering that about 235 projects have moved to GPLv3 and we haven't seen that many articles I'd say no, there won't be a story for every switch.
But I'm gald to know we will get an article when a project that used a license that barely qualified as OSS but uses all the latest buzzwords and marketing to look like OSS switches to the GPLv3.
While I don't doubt SNL did something related to this I beleive the Tommy Two-Times reference is from Good Fellows. When the guys in the local gangsta bar are being introduced they mention Tommy Two-Times and he says something like:
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forcing a lot of people to use a tool under v3 First of all, nobody is forcing anyone to *use* anything. What software you choose to use is your choice. And anyone simply *using* gcc has nothing to even think about when the license changes. Using gcc v2 or v3 has no impact on the software you compile.
If you want to distribute gcc you need to be aware of the license and respect it's terms. Again, if you don't like it then you are free to choose another compiler to distribute, assuming you can find one that a) meets your needs and b) has a license that allows whatever it is made using GPLv3 unsuitable for you.
Well, thousands of Nigerian children busy learning the fine ins and outs of their OLPCs so they can figure out how to bypass the filters should do wonders for the Nigerian technology sector!
The summary mentions PDFs and TFA article talks about on demand printing using Lulu.com (couldn't tell if that would be at a price and too lazy to visit Lulu right now:-). Maybe not the most environmental solution but it helps a little that these are full text pages and not small little paragraphs surrounded by ads. Printing a page or three here and there for offline reading is probably a decent compromise between portability and being wasteful.
Not to mention the existence of political parties violates the doctrine of separation of powers, as one can observe from the increasing difficulty of the Bush administration to have favorable legislation passed after control of congress passed to the Democrats. Or conversely the number of conservative decisions handed down by the Supreme Court lately...
Why? Because someone couldn't make open source work for them?
No, because TFA specifically said that MS "conceded" to letting their users run office at home.
I'm not saying the points for switching back to MSO aren't potentially valid but this story reminds me of a lot of recent trends. Companies/governments only have to mention the word "Linux" or "Open Source" around MS these days and suddenly they are falling over backward to give a better deal, concede on a license issue and in general make people feel like their getting a better deal then the rest of the world. It's a great new procurement strategy:
1. "Evaluate" open source for next upgrade cycle 2. Negotiate with MS for lower license fees 3. Cite training/hidden costs as reason for giving up on Open Source
Again, not saying that some reasons for sticking with MS aren't valid but some of this is just plain gaming the system.
Not that I keep up on the telecom industry that much but what innovation have we seen from ATT lately? Other then the fact that they seem to be buying up smaller telecoms and essentially reasserting their monopoly I haven't seen a lot about them in the news lately.
Like it or not we have Verizon at least developing and pushing FIOS but what R/D is ATT doing that will suffer so much if people have more and better access to wireless?
Is it just me or does anybody else Immediately think of the war in Iraq whenevery they hear this statement? I doubt you're the only one who thinks it but most of us don't post it everytime we think it, especially when it's so offtopic.
...a dispassionately calculated estimate If only all important political discusions and decisions could use techniques like this. It's refreshing to see someone take some of the "but artists are starving and may soon be forced to eat babies" out of the debate.
Not 100% sure but I think yes, that's what you're getting.
The GP post is talking about 1:1 copying, just a direct block by block copy of the whole disk. You said "rips an ISO" and I don't know anything about k3b so I'm just guessing but I suspect is what you are getting is a recording of the DVD during playback on the hard disk. As it's being played the decrypted stream is being written to disk, just in a convenient ISO format that you make a DVD from instead of a typical media file format. And also since you're not actually watching it can be "played" (recorder) much quicker then when viewing.
Well that just seems to support the argument that perhaps musicians should seek a substantial part of their revenue by actually playing music, not just for a few weeks in a studio, on stage for a few hundred days a year. A lot of the bands I listen to do just that. Some get rich, some don't but they all make a living doing something they love. Seems like a sweet deal to me...
I don't think it's the Linux Kernel MS has to worry about anytime soon. It's the hundreds of programs in a default SLES installation that are owned by the FSF. They will surely be released as GPLv3 very soon now.
If Novell wants to update the bulk of the userland programs in SLES they will surely at some point need to embrace GPLv3. It's that or fork the v2 versions and maintain them on their own.
Ah yes, you are correct. I realized after I posted that my wording was a bit off. I was trying to explain that it does not automatically apply, that it's at the discretion of the copyright holder but you're correction makes it much clearer...
As a developer you do not have to use the "Or any later version" language. You can simply reference the version you want your software to be distributed under. IIRC this how the GPLv2 is applied to the Linux kernel. Thus it will not automatically be subjected to GPLv3 unless the developers make a consious decision to move to it.
The way I always understood it, using the "any later version" language is akin to saying "I beleive in free software, the FSF and I'm in it for the long haul".
Say whatever you like about how the Linux kernel is what made free software so great but all I know is the reason I tried Linux for the very first time was so that I wouldn't have to pay for a Visual Studio license. I wanted to learn how to program in C and all my searches for a free compiler (this was 1995) kept pointing to GCC which in turn led me to Linux. Before that I knew next to nothing about Unix. Installing Linux didn't end up teaching me much either, using bash, make, vi and gcc are what taught me a little bit about Unix.
Linux is a great kernel, GNU/Linux is a great operating system and I for one am happy to tell people who ask what OS I use that I use "Debian GNU/Linux". That's what Debian calls it so that's what I call it.
RMS was less then diplomatic about it, he even comes across as whiney or pushy sometimes, but that doesn't make him automatically wrong.
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For the Chinese government and their larger businesses I think their major concerns are not price. They are being "driven to the Linux camp" because they can review the source code and make sure MS isn't facilitating spying on behalf of the US government. This is why efforts like Red Flag Linux were initiated, IMO.
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Likewise, having access to source and their own distro allows them to add hooks and backdoors to spy on their own citizens.
</tinfoil>
I realize that the above doesn't apply to the average user in China but considering the majority of the market over there right now is government and business I'm sure MS is more concerned with them switching to Linux then the average Chinese citizen...
Considering that about 235 projects have moved to GPLv3 and we haven't seen that many articles I'd say no, there won't be a story for every switch.
But I'm gald to know we will get an article when a project that used a license that barely qualified as OSS but uses all the latest buzzwords and marketing to look like OSS switches to the GPLv3.
While I don't doubt SNL did something related to this I beleive the Tommy Two-Times reference is from Good Fellows. When the guys in the local gangsta bar are being introduced they mention Tommy Two-Times and he says something like:
"Hey, how you doin', how you doin'"
We don't need no stinkin' buttons!
If you want to distribute gcc you need to be aware of the license and respect it's terms. Again, if you don't like it then you are free to choose another compiler to distribute, assuming you can find one that a) meets your needs and b) has a license that allows whatever it is made using GPLv3 unsuitable for you.
Well, thousands of Nigerian children busy learning the fine ins and outs of their OLPCs so they can figure out how to bypass the filters should do wonders for the Nigerian technology sector!
The summary mentions PDFs and TFA article talks about on demand printing using Lulu.com (couldn't tell if that would be at a price and too lazy to visit Lulu right now :-). Maybe not the most environmental solution but it helps a little that these are full text pages and not small little paragraphs surrounded by ads. Printing a page or three here and there for offline reading is probably a decent compromise between portability and being wasteful.
Here, I fixed your comment for you...
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Dupe!
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What can the *Open Source* movement do to curb the switchbacks, and address some of these concerns?
There. Feel better?
Why? Because someone couldn't make open source work for them?
No, because TFA specifically said that MS "conceded" to letting their users run office at home.
I'm not saying the points for switching back to MSO aren't potentially valid but this story reminds me of a lot of recent trends. Companies/governments only have to mention the word "Linux" or "Open Source" around MS these days and suddenly they are falling over backward to give a better deal, concede on a license issue and in general make people feel like their getting a better deal then the rest of the world. It's a great new procurement strategy:
1. "Evaluate" open source for next upgrade cycle
2. Negotiate with MS for lower license fees
3. Cite training/hidden costs as reason for giving up on Open Source
Again, not saying that some reasons for sticking with MS aren't valid but some of this is just plain gaming the system.
Who makes the tools for your GNU/Linux distro?
Not that I keep up on the telecom industry that much but what innovation have we seen from ATT lately? Other then the fact that they seem to be buying up smaller telecoms and essentially reasserting their monopoly I haven't seen a lot about them in the news lately.
Like it or not we have Verizon at least developing and pushing FIOS but what R/D is ATT doing that will suffer so much if people have more and better access to wireless?
...a dispassionately calculated estimate If only all important political discusions and decisions could use techniques like this. It's refreshing to see someone take some of the "but artists are starving and may soon be forced to eat babies" out of the debate.Not 100% sure but I think yes, that's what you're getting.
The GP post is talking about 1:1 copying, just a direct block by block copy of the whole disk. You said "rips an ISO" and I don't know anything about k3b so I'm just guessing but I suspect is what you are getting is a recording of the DVD during playback on the hard disk. As it's being played the decrypted stream is being written to disk, just in a convenient ISO format that you make a DVD from instead of a typical media file format. And also since you're not actually watching it can be "played" (recorder) much quicker then when viewing.
Well that just seems to support the argument that perhaps musicians should seek a substantial part of their revenue by actually playing music, not just for a few weeks in a studio, on stage for a few hundred days a year. A lot of the bands I listen to do just that. Some get rich, some don't but they all make a living doing something they love. Seems like a sweet deal to me...
Our Toshiba Printer in the office runs Linux. Do I count everyone who prints to it as a Linux User or do we all make up one user?
I don't think it's the Linux Kernel MS has to worry about anytime soon. It's the hundreds of programs in a default SLES installation that are owned by the FSF. They will surely be released as GPLv3 very soon now.
If Novell wants to update the bulk of the userland programs in SLES they will surely at some point need to embrace GPLv3. It's that or fork the v2 versions and maintain them on their own.
Ah yes, you are correct. I realized after I posted that my wording was a bit off. I was trying to explain that it does not automatically apply, that it's at the discretion of the copyright holder but you're correction makes it much clearer...
As a developer you do not have to use the "Or any later version" language. You can simply reference the version you want your software to be distributed under. IIRC this how the GPLv2 is applied to the Linux kernel. Thus it will not automatically be subjected to GPLv3 unless the developers make a consious decision to move to it.
The way I always understood it, using the "any later version" language is akin to saying "I beleive in free software, the FSF and I'm in it for the long haul".
I don't think he was talking about the drivers as much as stuff like CNR.
Say whatever you like about how the Linux kernel is what made free software so great but all I know is the reason I tried Linux for the very first time was so that I wouldn't have to pay for a Visual Studio license. I wanted to learn how to program in C and all my searches for a free compiler (this was 1995) kept pointing to GCC which in turn led me to Linux. Before that I knew next to nothing about Unix. Installing Linux didn't end up teaching me much either, using bash, make, vi and gcc are what taught me a little bit about Unix.
Linux is a great kernel, GNU/Linux is a great operating system and I for one am happy to tell people who ask what OS I use that I use "Debian GNU/Linux". That's what Debian calls it so that's what I call it.
RMS was less then diplomatic about it, he even comes across as whiney or pushy sometimes, but that doesn't make him automatically wrong.
Apparently they don't feel like a /.-ing today. :-)
Why not just go native?