I would imagine the ISP would haev to use their best judgement, like any business. If they throttle/block BT and a bunch of people start leaving or complaining then they need to rethink it. If no one complains, sales don't drop and (*gasp*) someone actually compliments them on better respoinse times or faster connections then they have nothing to worry about.
I guess the tricky part is at teh beginning when too big of a change may trigger a mass exodus. If they slowly start throttling it down and don't see much change in their business then they can keep that up until it becomes a problem.
Personally I think if/when ISPs do this they could avoid a lot of hassles by explaining it to people up front, in plain English, instead of burying their right to throttle your "unlimited" bandwidth in a cryptic and massive Acceptable Use Policy.
That would be great but I don't think it will happen. When Slammer hit S. Korea in 1/2005 they were one of the few global financial systems that were affected. They made a big stink about blaming MS and then went on, business as usual, without rethinking their reliance on a single vendor who is notorious for breaking standards.
Incredulous is not a noun. Thus, it is more correct to put it as:
Incredulous: a person finding something hard to believe
Even this is confusing... Incredulous is not a noun. Incredulous means a person exhibiting some behavior...
Sounds like a noun to me. After all I was told when I was just wee that a noun is a person, place or thing.
Did you mean -
Incredulous: finding something hard to believe. As in: Hearing his teacher tell the class that, in reality, the sky is pea green and not blue young Johnny was quite incredulous.
But hey, I'm not a lawyer or an English teacher, I'm just bored...
I don't like the idea that there may be things on *my* computer that I cannot access, but Microsoft, or other entities they trust, can. I'm not sure I trust them that much...
That's why it's not called "My Computer" anymore. Even MS isn't that dishonest. Nope it's just "Computer" now and it remains to be seen who actually ends up owning your computer in the long run.
OK sure, I can agree with that. But it seems from reading the post and especially the follow ups that the guy threw Linux on an old box with the expectation that he wouldn't like it.
To continue your car analogy (love the car analogies!) it's like someone driving a beat up, 89 Nova and wondering why it so hard to keep going. Oh and then blaming Ford for selling him a POS.
What does "the soccer mom down the street" do when Windows gets spyware? A virus? What if a driver downloaded from Windows Automatic Updates hoses the video card?
You seem to think that any and all things to do with computers should be easy to fix. Their not always. Fixing the issue with the sound sounded pretty damn easy to me compared to some things I've had to deal with on both Linux and Windows.
Not to mention your comment about your box dieing from a hardware failure. Hearing that I'm thinking "so this guy put Linux on an old, dieing box and is wondering why it sucked?". Have you tried a modern distro on a modern PC? "Look mom! No config files to edit!"
Well I use Debian Etch and Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy on several different systems and I've never had a problem with what you are describing. My sound in the browser "Just Works".
Now I don't doubt that yours is not working, for whatever reason. I guess my point is usually things just work for me using Debian or Ubuntu. Sometimes they don't, rarely these days, but it happens. When things don't work I occassionly have to do something odd or tedious to get it to work again. But this is true of any OS and I've spent at least as long in Windows trying to get something that should have been easy to work and it's not always simple.
We had a WSUS server running on an MSDN copy of Windows 2003 Server. It was great. But that's all that server was going to do in the long run and we can't justify the cost of a 2003 License just for that. We are slowly but surely replacing all of our Windows 2000 Servers with Debian GNU/Linux.
So, yeah updating 35 machines this way once was kind of a PITA but now that auto updates are back on the clients I really don't see the one time scramble we did to avoid IE 7 as such a big deal. I guess you could point out that it's bound to happen again with a different update or what if updates break the clients but again these things are exceptions not norms and I can deal with them on a case by case basis.
Overall I want to move away from using backend windows services, not add more. If this causes me some pain once in a while then that's OK, it will be worth it in the long run when we don't have to spend money on Windows servers and CALs.
Indeed. I would be more interested if they could collect the numbers on people like myself and the small company I work for. We run about 35 Windows XP boxes. They have all been configured to hide the IE 7 upgrade when running Windows update. We specifically avoided it by turning off auto updates just before we knew it would be released. We then updated manually for a few days on one machine until it appeared. So we went to each workstation, ran WU manually, hid IE 7 and then turned back on auto updates.
So back tot the topic at hand; how many people chose specifically not to download IE7?
...encouraged him and offered to let him use their resources (time at work and a PC) he should of asked for some kind of agreement in writing that it was his.
My boss is very liberal about what we do in the IT department as long as things are running smoothly and we get long term projects done on time. But even here I am careful to keep anything I might potentially think of as mine at home and off company equipment.
Adding an NVidia card to my Shuttle to replace the i810 graphics *did* cause me to have to reactivate my MSDN copy of XP.
What bothered me more was a time when I disabled my network card to stop the netbios chattering while I was playing a game. I finished playing, shut down the machine and went to bed. When I tried to boot up the next day I was greeted with the activation message. Now, when it happened with my video card I was able to activate over the internet. Stupidly because my network card was installed but disabled I couldn't log in to enable it, couldn't reactivate over the internet and really didn't feel like trying to call MS on a saturday to reactivate it.
I ended up grabbing an old 30G hard drive, slaving it to the shuttle's primary and installing Ubuntu in it. It ran like that for two weeks before I finally got around to calling MS. But yeah, your right when I called they were fairly quick, nice ( I got nervous little twitters of laughter from the rep when I explained the situation, glad *she* found it funny anyway!) and I was reactivated pretty quick.
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I would imagine the ISP would haev to use their best judgement, like any business. If they throttle/block BT and a bunch of people start leaving or complaining then they need to rethink it. If no one complains, sales don't drop and (*gasp*) someone actually compliments them on better respoinse times or faster connections then they have nothing to worry about.
I guess the tricky part is at teh beginning when too big of a change may trigger a mass exodus. If they slowly start throttling it down and don't see much change in their business then they can keep that up until it becomes a problem.
Personally I think if/when ISPs do this they could avoid a lot of hassles by explaining it to people up front, in plain English, instead of burying their right to throttle your "unlimited" bandwidth in a cryptic and massive Acceptable Use Policy.
Thank you. That is perfect! :-)
So here's to you, Mr. Exploit Finding Man!
Now there's a Bud commercial I'd like to hear.
You're exactly right. Haven't you heard? Reality has become a commodity
That would be great but I don't think it will happen. When Slammer hit S. Korea in 1/2005 they were one of the few global financial systems that were affected. They made a big stink about blaming MS and then went on, business as usual, without rethinking their reliance on a single vendor who is notorious for breaking standards.
Yeah, Limart just doesn't roll off the tongue does it?
...we'd have cheerleaders as well!
We do!
How do you know? He might have written that text anywhere and then copied it to his browser.
/. And it s a PITA!
Witch is exectley wat I hvae to do wenevr I pst to
Er, I mean, blaming Chevy.
Incredulous is not a noun. Thus, it is more correct to put it as:
Incredulous: a person finding something hard to believe
Even this is confusing... Incredulous is not a noun. Incredulous means a person exhibiting some behavior...
Sounds like a noun to me. After all I was told when I was just wee that a noun is a person, place or thing.
Did you mean -
Incredulous: finding something hard to believe. As in: Hearing his teacher tell the class that, in reality, the sky is pea green and not blue young Johnny was quite incredulous.
But hey, I'm not a lawyer or an English teacher, I'm just bored...
I don't like the idea that there may be things on *my* computer that I cannot access, but Microsoft, or other entities they trust, can. I'm not sure I trust them that much...
That's why it's not called "My Computer" anymore. Even MS isn't that dishonest. Nope it's just "Computer" now and it remains to be seen who actually ends up owning your computer in the long run.
Perhaps you're not fully aware of all of the new features in Vista
Hmm he mentioned UAC... What else... Ah, you must mean the DRM!
Oh sure. You've been able to download Vista for a while now!
OK sure, I can agree with that. But it seems from reading the post and especially the follow ups that the guy threw Linux on an old box with the expectation that he wouldn't like it.
To continue your car analogy (love the car analogies!) it's like someone driving a beat up, 89 Nova and wondering why it so hard to keep going. Oh and then blaming Ford for selling him a POS.
What does "the soccer mom down the street" do when Windows gets spyware? A virus? What if a driver downloaded from Windows Automatic Updates hoses the video card?
You seem to think that any and all things to do with computers should be easy to fix. Their not always. Fixing the issue with the sound sounded pretty damn easy to me compared to some things I've had to deal with on both Linux and Windows.
Not to mention your comment about your box dieing from a hardware failure. Hearing that I'm thinking "so this guy put Linux on an old, dieing box and is wondering why it sucked?". Have you tried a modern distro on a modern PC? "Look mom! No config files to edit!"
Well I use Debian Etch and Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy on several different systems and I've never had a problem with what you are describing. My sound in the browser "Just Works".
Now I don't doubt that yours is not working, for whatever reason. I guess my point is usually things just work for me using Debian or Ubuntu. Sometimes they don't, rarely these days, but it happens. When things don't work I occassionly have to do something odd or tedious to get it to work again. But this is true of any OS and I've spent at least as long in Windows trying to get something that should have been easy to work and it's not always simple.
We had a WSUS server running on an MSDN copy of Windows 2003 Server. It was great. But that's all that server was going to do in the long run and we can't justify the cost of a 2003 License just for that. We are slowly but surely replacing all of our Windows 2000 Servers with Debian GNU/Linux.
So, yeah updating 35 machines this way once was kind of a PITA but now that auto updates are back on the clients I really don't see the one time scramble we did to avoid IE 7 as such a big deal. I guess you could point out that it's bound to happen again with a different update or what if updates break the clients but again these things are exceptions not norms and I can deal with them on a case by case basis.
Overall I want to move away from using backend windows services, not add more. If this causes me some pain once in a while then that's OK, it will be worth it in the long run when we don't have to spend money on Windows servers and CALs.
I take it you've never had to fix anything with regedit either then?
Indeed. I would be more interested if they could collect the numbers on people like myself and the small company I work for. We run about 35 Windows XP boxes. They have all been configured to hide the IE 7 upgrade when running Windows update. We specifically avoided it by turning off auto updates just before we knew it would be released. We then updated manually for a few days on one machine until it appeared. So we went to each workstation, ran WU manually, hid IE 7 and then turned back on auto updates.
So back tot the topic at hand; how many people chose specifically not to download IE7?
Vote for Bob.
Mayor Quimby supports revolving door prisons.
Mayor Quimby even released Sideshow Bob -- a man twice convicted
of attempted murder.
Can you trust a man like Mayor Quimby?
Vote Sideshow Bob for mayor.
... this event (apparently not quite an isolated incident either) people would know better by now.
...encouraged him and offered to let him use their resources (time at work and a PC) he should of asked for some kind of agreement in writing that it was his.
My boss is very liberal about what we do in the IT department as long as things are running smoothly and we get long term projects done on time. But even here I am careful to keep anything I might potentially think of as mine at home and off company equipment.
Adding an NVidia card to my Shuttle to replace the i810 graphics *did* cause me to have to reactivate my MSDN copy of XP.
What bothered me more was a time when I disabled my network card to stop the netbios chattering while I was playing a game. I finished playing, shut down the machine and went to bed. When I tried to boot up the next day I was greeted with the activation message. Now, when it happened with my video card I was able to activate over the internet. Stupidly because my network card was installed but disabled I couldn't log in to enable it, couldn't reactivate over the internet and really didn't feel like trying to call MS on a saturday to reactivate it.
I ended up grabbing an old 30G hard drive, slaving it to the shuttle's primary and installing Ubuntu in it. It ran like that for two weeks before I finally got around to calling MS. But yeah, your right when I called they were fairly quick, nice ( I got nervous little twitters of laughter from the rep when I explained the situation, glad *she* found it funny anyway!) and I was reactivated pretty quick.
I still think it's BS.
Is someone's math wrong at paypal?
That's unpossible!
Cool. Thanks for that. Filed away in a README along side the installer...