Most everything I would have had to say, Bogtha got to first. He's spot on. Just one thing to add.
Similarly, my main website supports and has been tested in IE 5.x for Windows and Mac, IE 6, Mozilla, Firefox, Safari, Opera, Konqueror, Lynx, and Links. It looks virtually identical in all of them, but doing so required some horrible kludges that make the code harder to read and understand.
You write that like it's something to be proud of. It's not! Quite the opposite, that's one of the hallmarks of a designer that doesn't understand the media in question. This is not oil, it's not charcoal, and it's definately not.pdf either.
Yes, that's really exactly what this was about.
The intent of the GPL was always to prohibit such things. Tivo found a loophole, and are exploiting it. GPL v3 will try to close that loophole.
Chances are you're just running into an idiot ninjalooter of the garden variety if someone with poor english skills up and offs with your loot.
I agree. I knew a guy that used to do that on EQ. Behind the pidgin English was a teenager in NY with perfect English. His other character spoke completely differently.
You said it yourself - many westerners who are farmers do it for disposable income, and not their actual salary ("beer money," as you called it). Personally, based on the "sweat shops" that operate in China w/their gold farmers, I'd probably want to give my money to a Indiana U kid,
You'd rather your money go to put beer in the belly of some spoiled yankee college kid, than food on the table of a chinese family, and you don't see racism?
I bet you even consider yourself a liberal. Shame on you.
What bugs me is web sites that simply assume that cookies will be honoured, and refuse to function without them, when you're doing nothing that requires cookies. And ones that set illegal and third party cookies, and again refuse to function when you don't allow them. Slashdot is on my approved list, because I know what the cookie is doing, and I allow it. But when I go to some random website, and I'm simply reading (no login needed) and it starts malfunctioning like mad, that's another matter. Sure, it's probably nothing more sinister than incompetent design - but that's bad enough. And many are actually sinister.
My bank actually works fine, once I put it on the approved list - a friend, however, tried to use my machine on his bank, and it refuses to work at all, with no diagnostic message, even when their server is allowed to use cookies. Their help files say only that you must accept ALL cookies. Why? Because they're setting cookies not just to the server that you are contacting, but for a half-dozen apparently random servers all over the net! That crap makes you wonder.
Well, yeah, because the PPC processors they used were custom models made just for them.
Whatever your business is, I'd like to work there, if you can casually give up 4 million units a year.
IBM is huge, of course. But regardless of size, a customer that costs more than they pay is something any business will happily give up. I'm NOT privy to the details, but the rumours were that IBM was barely making money on Apple, and actually makes higher margins (after R&D costs, at least) on their embedded market.
Umm, no, Apple was never anywhere near their biggest customer. Apple was only notable for building PCs with power chips, but the vast majority of power chips never went into PCs. Apple was a rather small customer, and one that was constantly demanding special treatment.
I suppose I was in a hurry when I dropped that comment, and didn't expand on it much. But seriously, this is supposed to be a geek-oriented website - I would expect most readers had thought about the issue enough to know what I meant. At any rate, QT and GTK aren't unique in that there are plenty of GUI toolkits available. They ARE, between the two of them at least, unique in that they provide a lot of functionality far beyond a simple GUI toolkit, and they do it across all the popular platforms. But try and think slightly more abstractly here, look at the underlying principles instead of the specific words used in a rather dated article.
QT is available to free software developers under the GPL. The license problems were real, but they've been fixed for many years. It's also available to developers of proprietary software under another license. This is a business model that free software folks have been advocating for years - and one that Trolltech risked their very existence to prove viable. Free software devs pay to use it in the currency they have - code. Proprietary software developers, unwilling or unable to pay in code, are given the option to pay in a different currency instead. And the payments of the proprietary developers then go to continue Trolltechs work. And let's not forget, QT IS their work - work they've done very well, and work they've wagered to the hilt on this free software model.
QT is also the only real competition to GTK. Yes, gui toolkits there are a'plenty, but GUI toolkits that work on all the major platforms and provide the kind of 'desktop' infrastructure access are not.
Now given this, the only real purpose that could be served by releasing GTK under the Lesser GPL instead of the Greater, is to undercut TrollTechs ability to sell those proprietary licenses, and thus to continue as a profitable business supporting free software. Not a goal I want to support, and not one I can see a reason for anyone outside of the dark side to support, really. It doesn't give free software developers any advantage at all - quite the contrary, and if you reread that article you might discern that THAT is the underlying logic to the recommendations there.
If there were a free market for internet service, then your position would make sense. However, there is nothing even approximating a free market there. The vast majority of the infrastructure is tied up in the hands of state-backed monopoly providers. I'm all for ending that - but pretending it's a free market in the meantime is just stupid.
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That was not flamebait, that was informative.
It also contained an error, however, it's the LESSER GPL, not the library gpl.
It's ironic that GTK was started because of licensing problems with QT, but now it's GTK that has licensing problems.
Yes, you almost answered your own question. Homesteading, mixing your labour with the material. Sure, the rock was there before I was, and will be here long after I've gone. But when I shape the rock into a tool, it becomes something more than just a rock. It now has added value. And that added value is the product of my mind, my body, my labour. You can't take the rock away without taking my time and effort away, ergo for all practical purposes the rock is now mine.
A natural right is by definition one that doesn't need to be granted.
The primary property right is the right of ownership of your own body and mind. Other property rights come about as a result of this - i.e. owning your body and mind, using your body and mind to create value elsewhere, you retain rights over what was created using that primary property.
The only way one could 'own the world' would be if one created the world, or traded with all those who created bits of it until one held it all by trade. But then, what would you trade them besides bits of the world, in which case one could never own it all, since to gain one piece one would give up another? An interesting theoretical point, perhaps, but hardly possible in any practical sense.
Windows alone, even in the realm of computer is in NO WAY specific to Microsoft. Every system with a GUI has Windows, and there were many such systems long before Microsoft even had a GUI themselves. There's a reason they wound up paying Lindows to rename...
If you'd RTFM you'd see that this is not the issue.
The software in question doesn't just happen to run on Windows. It runs ONLY on Windows, and ONLY if you buy extra stuff on top of the OS.
You get the source, but it doesn't do you any good, since you can't do anything with it.
Apache on Windows is great. Why write an 'open source' project for IIS instead? Why use libraries that aren't available freely? It kind of defeats the whole point, so far as I can see.
Don't forget, the BBB is paid by the members (i.e. the companies) not the consumers. I've known them to give a business their highest ratings and report no complaints, when I personally knew of several people that had filed complaints with them about that company.
I think each local branch is pretty independent, so they aren't necessarily all that corrupt, but I would expect most are, given the way they're structured.
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L4/Alpha and L4/x86 are both coded in assembly.
Most everything I would have had to say, Bogtha got to first. He's spot on. Just one thing to add.
You write that like it's something to be proud of. It's not! Quite the opposite, that's one of the hallmarks of a designer that doesn't understand the media in question. This is not oil, it's not charcoal, and it's definately not .pdf either.
No, a flashier website will still work just fine on lynx, if it's done competently.
None of which explains why this vulnerability is absent in Win95 and ME, but present in Win2k and XP.
Yes, that's really exactly what this was about. The intent of the GPL was always to prohibit such things. Tivo found a loophole, and are exploiting it. GPL v3 will try to close that loophole.
I agree. I knew a guy that used to do that on EQ. Behind the pidgin English was a teenager in NY with perfect English. His other character spoke completely differently.
You'd rather your money go to put beer in the belly of some spoiled yankee college kid, than food on the table of a chinese family, and you don't see racism?
I bet you even consider yourself a liberal. Shame on you.
There is no such bird. You've been watching too much TV.
And 'looser' is a a comparative adjective, not a noun. I suspect the word you are looking for is 'loser.'
What bugs me is web sites that simply assume that cookies will be honoured, and refuse to function without them, when you're doing nothing that requires cookies. And ones that set illegal and third party cookies, and again refuse to function when you don't allow them. Slashdot is on my approved list, because I know what the cookie is doing, and I allow it. But when I go to some random website, and I'm simply reading (no login needed) and it starts malfunctioning like mad, that's another matter. Sure, it's probably nothing more sinister than incompetent design - but that's bad enough. And many are actually sinister. My bank actually works fine, once I put it on the approved list - a friend, however, tried to use my machine on his bank, and it refuses to work at all, with no diagnostic message, even when their server is allowed to use cookies. Their help files say only that you must accept ALL cookies. Why? Because they're setting cookies not just to the server that you are contacting, but for a half-dozen apparently random servers all over the net! That crap makes you wonder.
Well, yeah, because the PPC processors they used were custom models made just for them.
IBM is huge, of course. But regardless of size, a customer that costs more than they pay is something any business will happily give up. I'm NOT privy to the details, but the rumours were that IBM was barely making money on Apple, and actually makes higher margins (after R&D costs, at least) on their embedded market.
Umm, no, Apple was never anywhere near their biggest customer. Apple was only notable for building PCs with power chips, but the vast majority of power chips never went into PCs. Apple was a rather small customer, and one that was constantly demanding special treatment.
I suppose I was in a hurry when I dropped that comment, and didn't expand on it much. But seriously, this is supposed to be a geek-oriented website - I would expect most readers had thought about the issue enough to know what I meant. At any rate, QT and GTK aren't unique in that there are plenty of GUI toolkits available. They ARE, between the two of them at least, unique in that they provide a lot of functionality far beyond a simple GUI toolkit, and they do it across all the popular platforms. But try and think slightly more abstractly here, look at the underlying principles instead of the specific words used in a rather dated article.
QT is available to free software developers under the GPL. The license problems were real, but they've been fixed for many years. It's also available to developers of proprietary software under another license. This is a business model that free software folks have been advocating for years - and one that Trolltech risked their very existence to prove viable. Free software devs pay to use it in the currency they have - code. Proprietary software developers, unwilling or unable to pay in code, are given the option to pay in a different currency instead. And the payments of the proprietary developers then go to continue Trolltechs work. And let's not forget, QT IS their work - work they've done very well, and work they've wagered to the hilt on this free software model.
QT is also the only real competition to GTK. Yes, gui toolkits there are a'plenty, but GUI toolkits that work on all the major platforms and provide the kind of 'desktop' infrastructure access are not.
Now given this, the only real purpose that could be served by releasing GTK under the Lesser GPL instead of the Greater, is to undercut TrollTechs ability to sell those proprietary licenses, and thus to continue as a profitable business supporting free software. Not a goal I want to support, and not one I can see a reason for anyone outside of the dark side to support, really. It doesn't give free software developers any advantage at all - quite the contrary, and if you reread that article you might discern that THAT is the underlying logic to the recommendations there.
Gnumeric doesn't decode gifs either. Who'd have thunk it?
Uh, yeah, did you? Read this too, if you reread it and still don't see what I'm talking about.
If there were a free market for internet service, then your position would make sense. However, there is nothing even approximating a free market there. The vast majority of the infrastructure is tied up in the hands of state-backed monopoly providers. I'm all for ending that - but pretending it's a free market in the meantime is just stupid.
That was not flamebait, that was informative. It also contained an error, however, it's the LESSER GPL, not the library gpl. It's ironic that GTK was started because of licensing problems with QT, but now it's GTK that has licensing problems.
Yet another reason to shun GTK. As if more were needed.
No, you can't homestead something that's already homesteaded, unless it's abandoned of course.
Yes, you almost answered your own question. Homesteading, mixing your labour with the material. Sure, the rock was there before I was, and will be here long after I've gone. But when I shape the rock into a tool, it becomes something more than just a rock. It now has added value. And that added value is the product of my mind, my body, my labour. You can't take the rock away without taking my time and effort away, ergo for all practical purposes the rock is now mine.
A natural right is by definition one that doesn't need to be granted. The primary property right is the right of ownership of your own body and mind. Other property rights come about as a result of this - i.e. owning your body and mind, using your body and mind to create value elsewhere, you retain rights over what was created using that primary property. The only way one could 'own the world' would be if one created the world, or traded with all those who created bits of it until one held it all by trade. But then, what would you trade them besides bits of the world, in which case one could never own it all, since to gain one piece one would give up another? An interesting theoretical point, perhaps, but hardly possible in any practical sense.
Actually it's property that is primary. The right to 'life and liberty' are consequences of having property rights in your own body and mind.
Windows alone, even in the realm of computer is in NO WAY specific to Microsoft. Every system with a GUI has Windows, and there were many such systems long before Microsoft even had a GUI themselves. There's a reason they wound up paying Lindows to rename...
Don't forget 3. %$#^ing up the keybindings.
If you'd RTFM you'd see that this is not the issue.
The software in question doesn't just happen to run on Windows. It runs ONLY on Windows, and ONLY if you buy extra stuff on top of the OS.
You get the source, but it doesn't do you any good, since you can't do anything with it.
Apache on Windows is great. Why write an 'open source' project for IIS instead? Why use libraries that aren't available freely? It kind of defeats the whole point, so far as I can see.
Don't forget, the BBB is paid by the members (i.e. the companies) not the consumers. I've known them to give a business their highest ratings and report no complaints, when I personally knew of several people that had filed complaints with them about that company.
I think each local branch is pretty independent, so they aren't necessarily all that corrupt, but I would expect most are, given the way they're structured.