Hmm... Wonder what I could do with 350,00 dollars? I'd probably try to purchase that extra zero.
Pretty sure that in US terms it would be 350.00, but it's not a typo. Sound odd?
In a lot of countries they reverse the roles of the comma and the period in numbers. Confused the hell out of me when I first saw it, but it's true. $350,000.00 is written $350.000,00 for instance. Disturbing, isn't it?
What is omitted from this discussion, and what Eben certainly must already know, is that if SCO redistributes in good faith Free products that it receives from the community, then the illegal inclusion by a third party of material copyrighted by SCO does not in any way lessen SCO's claim to that copyright.
But they can't make that argument in court and expect it not to be shot down in flames. By their own admission, they continued selling the supposedly infringing product, under the GNU license, for many months after they found the supposed infringements. Last I checked they are still distributing the product in question, if not today at least into last week or so, long after filing suit.
They can argue that they were tricked into offering it prior to the time they first found the supposed infringement, but since they continued selling and distributing long afterwards that doesn't do them any good.
Actually there is a category for these stories. It's called Caldera. Let's not forget that that is who this really is. Much as I never really liked the Santa Cruz Operation, they are not the bloodsuckers that we're talking about here. It's Caldera. I wonder what name they're planning to change to next after they drag this one through the mud?
Most of the stories have been properly filed under that heading. This one actually makes as much sense as it is as there, however, since it's actually about a statement by the FSF counsel.
I have to agree with the other poster too, the moderation was stupid. Hope I get it in metamod.
Gentoo requires lots of donated hosting and bandwidth. The amount of resources used in rsync alone must be huge. Where is this guy going to get the backing to make this even feasible?
If you read the article he claims that much of their existing infrastructure is either directly or indirectly on loan from him...
He uses a mac (if he really does, we just have his word on it) for the same reason a certain type of racist makes a point to associate publically with blacks/jews/whatever.
And sure, he debunked some mac propoganda. That's not a problem, we all know that Apple indulges in it just like everyone else, and debunking it, whenever it occurs, is a good thing. But the point is he doesn't stop with debunking it, he goes on to push specious arguments and 'debunk' the baby with the bathwater. Read what he writes. Smell the fanaticism? He can't stop with the truth, he always has to push past it and sling some baseless slurs of his own. Not a reliable source.
Apple benchmarks emphasise their product, just like Dell does for their own. That's nothing new.
arker, please do not take that personally, but I think you don't have a glimpse what routing means.
I won't take it personally, and I hope you don't take it personally when I say that seeing as I've not only studied but taught the subject perhaps it is you who is showing ignorance.
For example "Real" Routers tend to eat up a lot of memory. The IP Tables can grow up to eating hundrets of megabytes. No joke, the routing rules on a higher level are a lot more than your personal 192.168.x.x keep in house everything else let my ISP worry.
Of course the high end routers need more memory. More memory doesn't make them any less simple appliances, it just means more memory.
And the vast majority of routers are actually quite modest devices. Look at the 2600 series for instance - this is the class where the majority of sales are. An old processor (Motorola? I'm not sure actually, a lot are) with 64mb ram, 8mb flash IIRC, a few network slots, and that's about it. More than adequate for the vast majority of installations.
When you compare the big top of the line models, they're still quite similar, they have faster processors and more memory, and they basically do the same thing, they just do it more times per second. Sure, there is some extra functionality involved too, but not a lot.
A router looks at an incoming packet, compares it to it's rule table until it finds a match, and then sends it on its way. Rinse wash repeat. Thousands of times per second. Everything else is minor, things like having an interface so the rules can be reviewed and altered... the main function is just to endlessly repeat that loop and keep the packets moving.
And so on. I'm not telling your P90 can't do your job.
Then why are you arguing with me?
Also even in the low end saying a companies decision is better at a P90 than a little router, is not as crystal clear as you want to believe.
Where did I mention companies? Huh?
I wasn't talking about companies, I was talking about technically inclined home users that enjoy tinkering. You're attacking a straw man.
Keep it simple. A router is a very simple device.
Not it is not. What do you think CISCO makes it money from? Making simplistic devices?
Absolutely. Cisco is pretty good stuff, don't get me wrong, but simple is an accurate description. They don't have (or need) a lot of memory, they don't have (or need) a great big fast processor, they boot from flash and take their settings from tftp or flash... they're appliances. Even the high end models are still appliances, and the majority are not high end, they're little boxes built around chips that have been considered obsolete in the PC industry for years.
This is not a bad thing, they do what they're supposed to do and they do it very well. But if you think an old P90 with a floppy disk and a couple of network cards can't do the same job with a little do-it-yourself spirit, you're wrong.
Sure, you can do the same thing with CDROM, although human nature being what is it that tends to encourage unecessary bloat.;) You can use these distros from flash ram, netboot them, whatever. It's all basically the same idea, although in a sense the floppy is the 'purest' expression of it.
Yes, you can even boot from hard disk and then unmount the disk. And then someone that compromises your appliance can remount it. Power it down? What, with a hardware switch or something? If you mean powering it down in software then the same goes, if you mean a hardware switch why the hell go to so much trouble just to do what a two cent floppy will do fine already?
Keep it simple. A router is a very simple device. It doesn't need a hard drive. It doesn't need crap except for some memory, a processor, a few network ports, and some way to boot. Anything more on a router is more likely to cause problems than to help.
A single floppy distro for network appliances is actually a great idea. Write protect the floppy, run with no hard disk. This way even if it does get cracked, all you have to do is cycle the power - there is no way for it to get 'infected' with anything.
I don't think it matters so much whether it's based on *BSD or Linux or runs ipf or iptables, or which you or I prefer. Those are minor points. The main thing is that by limiting it's size and making sure that it can run entirely in memory with no writable storage attached, you have an enourmous security benefit. Not only can't it be infected, it's also a lot easier to audit, it doesn't have space for all sorts of cruft like any of these systems leave on your HD after a typical install - just the essentials.
Floppies are unreliable? Sure they are. So what. You keep a disk image on your workstation and make a new one whenever need be. When the floppy goes bad you'll notice the next time you boot, and replace it. Big deal.
That's what caught my eye right off, the statement in the blurb makes it sound like this is some kind of fluke, but it's not. That's true for any application, not just the chess board. I'm not gonna get into the argument about whether it was just 'marketing' or not - there are *some* technical justifications, but it's a well known fact to anyone that pays attention to this sort of thing that the PIV is vastly inferior to the PIII at the same clock speed, and that the virtue of it's design is in being able to clock much higher, not being more efficient with each cycle.
The European companies are just as bad. Indies might be ok, but most of them are pretty deep in bed with the biggies just to survive too. I only buy from bands directly. There are actually some really good musicians out there selling CDs pressed on their own computer. Go to gigs. If you like em, buy their CD.
I've only done it once I think. But it does cause me to have to slow down and be more careful - every time I get near those buttons I have to slow down and concentrate on hitting the right one, because an error could be pretty catastrophic. Using X11 I set WindowMaker as my WM usually, and the difference is actually noticeable - there's no slowdown.
On windows I usually click on the far left and then choose from the menu, which takes a fraction of a second longer. These are small things, but exactly the kind of small things that Apple used to really get, and they do make a difference.
BTW got rid of metallic junk (on most programs) and got a windowshader. Still not perfect, but much better.;)
Actually I go back and forth between the SSNext and a classic theme I found. It does help. But it's not all there. No taskswitching off the top bar with the classic theme. No windowshading. And you'll notice that, although the themes can change the look of the titlebar widgets, they can't change their position.:(
Apple made fun of MS for years for their idiotic practice of putting the close button next to the others, instead of on the opposite end of the bar where it should be, and then all of a sudden adopts the same idiotic practice and apparently hardcodes it so the themes can't change it. Ugh.
Oh well, like I said, it's still pretty good, it's just frustrating it's less than it should be.
Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I'm sure I read about a way to make those damn metal apps behave, maybe I can find that again... might as well fix as much as I can.
Actually, it doesn't. It only marks the message as read after it's actually been loaded into the preview pane. If you arrow past a message, without giving it time to load and display, it doesn't get marked as read.
And when you delete a message it automatically selects the next one for you. How nice. Annoys the **** out of me actually.
Of course, you should simply collapse the preview pane and read your messages by double-clicking on them, if that's what will make you happy.
Why did Apple have to toss out all the UI lessons they'd learned since 1984?
You know, I have a TiBook and I'm very happy with it, but I have to echo your question.
OSX is better than the competition, but it drives me nuts how it fails to live up to its potential. The old Mac OS sucked at a technical level, but I greatly prefer the interface. The NeXT interface was far better than Aqua as well, in my opinion. I'd love to have the option to make OSX look and act like either.
Under the hood it's great. And the GUI is a step above Windows, at least. But it's still a real POS compared to what it should have been.
The problem is all the crap we collectively call 'the (one party posing as) two party system.' The winner take all electoral system. The very high bar third parties have to meet to get on the ballot, while the state-approved parties get it automatically. The 'campaign finance' laws that make sure that third parties can't raise their issues and campaigns into the public eye effectively, while the big media corporations are free to spend all they want effectively campaigning for the incumbents.
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Pretty sure that in US terms it would be 350.00, but it's not a typo. Sound odd?
In a lot of countries they reverse the roles of the comma and the period in numbers. Confused the hell out of me when I first saw it, but it's true. $350,000.00 is written $350.000,00 for instance. Disturbing, isn't it?
I think 'christened' would probably be a better translation. ;)
One fatal flaw in your hypothesis is that they've publically said that the 'infringement' they claim goes back at least to 2.2.
But they can't make that argument in court and expect it not to be shot down in flames. By their own admission, they continued selling the supposedly infringing product, under the GNU license, for many months after they found the supposed infringements. Last I checked they are still distributing the product in question, if not today at least into last week or so, long after filing suit.
They can argue that they were tricked into offering it prior to the time they first found the supposed infringement, but since they continued selling and distributing long afterwards that doesn't do them any good.
Actually there is a category for these stories. It's called Caldera. Let's not forget that that is who this really is. Much as I never really liked the Santa Cruz Operation, they are not the bloodsuckers that we're talking about here. It's Caldera. I wonder what name they're planning to change to next after they drag this one through the mud?
Most of the stories have been properly filed under that heading. This one actually makes as much sense as it is as there, however, since it's actually about a statement by the FSF counsel.
I have to agree with the other poster too, the moderation was stupid. Hope I get it in metamod.
Wow. Ugh. Yep, it's ugly enough to be XP.
Personally I don't think that's anything to be proud of, but to each his own.
If you read the article he claims that much of their existing infrastructure is either directly or indirectly on loan from him...
He uses a mac (if he really does, we just have his word on it) for the same reason a certain type of racist makes a point to associate publically with blacks/jews/whatever.
And sure, he debunked some mac propoganda. That's not a problem, we all know that Apple indulges in it just like everyone else, and debunking it, whenever it occurs, is a good thing. But the point is he doesn't stop with debunking it, he goes on to push specious arguments and 'debunk' the baby with the bathwater. Read what he writes. Smell the fanaticism? He can't stop with the truth, he always has to push past it and sling some baseless slurs of his own. Not a reliable source.
Apple benchmarks emphasise their product, just like Dell does for their own. That's nothing new.
I won't take it personally, and I hope you don't take it personally when I say that seeing as I've not only studied but taught the subject perhaps it is you who is showing ignorance.
Of course the high end routers need more memory. More memory doesn't make them any less simple appliances, it just means more memory.
And the vast majority of routers are actually quite modest devices. Look at the 2600 series for instance - this is the class where the majority of sales are. An old processor (Motorola? I'm not sure actually, a lot are) with 64mb ram, 8mb flash IIRC, a few network slots, and that's about it. More than adequate for the vast majority of installations.
When you compare the big top of the line models, they're still quite similar, they have faster processors and more memory, and they basically do the same thing, they just do it more times per second. Sure, there is some extra functionality involved too, but not a lot.
A router looks at an incoming packet, compares it to it's rule table until it finds a match, and then sends it on its way. Rinse wash repeat. Thousands of times per second. Everything else is minor, things like having an interface so the rules can be reviewed and altered... the main function is just to endlessly repeat that loop and keep the packets moving.
Then why are you arguing with me?
Where did I mention companies? Huh?
I wasn't talking about companies, I was talking about technically inclined home users that enjoy tinkering. You're attacking a straw man.
Absolutely. Cisco is pretty good stuff, don't get me wrong, but simple is an accurate description. They don't have (or need) a lot of memory, they don't have (or need) a great big fast processor, they boot from flash and take their settings from tftp or flash... they're appliances. Even the high end models are still appliances, and the majority are not high end, they're little boxes built around chips that have been considered obsolete in the PC industry for years.
This is not a bad thing, they do what they're supposed to do and they do it very well. But if you think an old P90 with a floppy disk and a couple of network cards can't do the same job with a little do-it-yourself spirit, you're wrong.
Sure, you can do the same thing with CDROM, although human nature being what is it that tends to encourage unecessary bloat. ;) You can use these distros from flash ram, netboot them, whatever. It's all basically the same idea, although in a sense the floppy is the 'purest' expression of it.
Yes, you can even boot from hard disk and then unmount the disk. And then someone that compromises your appliance can remount it. Power it down? What, with a hardware switch or something? If you mean powering it down in software then the same goes, if you mean a hardware switch why the hell go to so much trouble just to do what a two cent floppy will do fine already?
Keep it simple. A router is a very simple device. It doesn't need a hard drive. It doesn't need crap except for some memory, a processor, a few network ports, and some way to boot. Anything more on a router is more likely to cause problems than to help.
A single floppy distro for network appliances is actually a great idea. Write protect the floppy, run with no hard disk. This way even if it does get cracked, all you have to do is cycle the power - there is no way for it to get 'infected' with anything.
I don't think it matters so much whether it's based on *BSD or Linux or runs ipf or iptables, or which you or I prefer. Those are minor points. The main thing is that by limiting it's size and making sure that it can run entirely in memory with no writable storage attached, you have an enourmous security benefit. Not only can't it be infected, it's also a lot easier to audit, it doesn't have space for all sorts of cruft like any of these systems leave on your HD after a typical install - just the essentials.
Floppies are unreliable? Sure they are. So what. You keep a disk image on your workstation and make a new one whenever need be. When the floppy goes bad you'll notice the next time you boot, and replace it. Big deal.
That's what caught my eye right off, the statement in the blurb makes it sound like this is some kind of fluke, but it's not. That's true for any application, not just the chess board. I'm not gonna get into the argument about whether it was just 'marketing' or not - there are *some* technical justifications, but it's a well known fact to anyone that pays attention to this sort of thing that the PIV is vastly inferior to the PIII at the same clock speed, and that the virtue of it's design is in being able to clock much higher, not being more efficient with each cycle.
It's sort of the anti-PPC.
The European companies are just as bad. Indies might be ok, but most of them are pretty deep in bed with the biggies just to survive too. I only buy from bands directly. There are actually some really good musicians out there selling CDs pressed on their own computer. Go to gigs. If you like em, buy their CD.
I've only done it once I think. But it does cause me to have to slow down and be more careful - every time I get near those buttons I have to slow down and concentrate on hitting the right one, because an error could be pretty catastrophic. Using X11 I set WindowMaker as my WM usually, and the difference is actually noticeable - there's no slowdown.
On windows I usually click on the far left and then choose from the menu, which takes a fraction of a second longer. These are small things, but exactly the kind of small things that Apple used to really get, and they do make a difference.
BTW got rid of metallic junk (on most programs) and got a windowshader. Still not perfect, but much better. ;)
Actually I go back and forth between the SSNext and a classic theme I found. It does help. But it's not all there. No taskswitching off the top bar with the classic theme. No windowshading. And you'll notice that, although the themes can change the look of the titlebar widgets, they can't change their position. :(
Apple made fun of MS for years for their idiotic practice of putting the close button next to the others, instead of on the opposite end of the bar where it should be, and then all of a sudden adopts the same idiotic practice and apparently hardcodes it so the themes can't change it. Ugh.
Oh well, like I said, it's still pretty good, it's just frustrating it's less than it should be.
Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I'm sure I read about a way to make those damn metal apps behave, maybe I can find that again... might as well fix as much as I can.
Thanks.
And when you delete a message it automatically selects the next one for you. How nice. Annoys the **** out of me actually.
So how do you collapse the preview pane?
You know, I have a TiBook and I'm very happy with it, but I have to echo your question.
OSX is better than the competition, but it drives me nuts how it fails to live up to its potential. The old Mac OS sucked at a technical level, but I greatly prefer the interface. The NeXT interface was far better than Aqua as well, in my opinion. I'd love to have the option to make OSX look and act like either.
Under the hood it's great. And the GUI is a step above Windows, at least. But it's still a real POS compared to what it should have been.
The morons that modded me and the other guy down should have saved their points and modded you up. Informative post! Good links!
Doesn't work on LinuxPPC either. I agree, the false advertising gets very annoying.
MidSummerNights?
Or maybe they should quit creating them in the first place instead.
Oh yeah, term limits, that'll fix it. /sarcasm
The problem is all the crap we collectively call 'the (one party posing as) two party system.' The winner take all electoral system. The very high bar third parties have to meet to get on the ballot, while the state-approved parties get it automatically. The 'campaign finance' laws that make sure that third parties can't raise their issues and campaigns into the public eye effectively, while the big media corporations are free to spend all they want effectively campaigning for the incumbents.
Term limits won't do a thing about any of this. A win in the current Supreme Court case could help though. Our lawsuit challenging the federal campaign finance laws is moving to the Supreme Court
My understanding is it wouldn't affect copyright, but it does nullify any trade secret status. Which is what they're suing IBM over, after all...