They want linux support on the servers. They are not going to support.NET on linux clients.
This is the standard M$ move. They will allow anyone to be a.NET server, but only Windows can be clients. Then, slowly, they will leverage the desktop to work into the server market.
In case you weren't looking, Microsoft already has the desktop. Microsoft has been taking solid aim at the server market for a long time now, an area where it is still getting beaten by Linux and Solaris. What good would it do Microsoft to help Linux out in the server market? Why would Microsoft want Linux to be a more viable desktop if it wants to use its existing massive installed base on the desktop as leverage on the server side? They know someone could write pam_passport tomorrow, but seeing a BizTalk server on Linux is not likely for a while. --
> Dude, you're a staff member of Slashdot. You don't need to follow Signal 11's method of karma whoring (posts an opinion everyone wants to disagree with, just to get modded up as interesting).
Huh. Consider the possibility that he could actually have differing opinions. Actually, I think I'm going to change my.sig now, you'll see it below. --
Biztalk is an application. It defines a number of XML schemas which map onto the same concepts as EDI, like purchase orders and manufacturing requests. It includes mechanisms for description and discovery (UDDI) of such schemas, as well as various transports to transmit them. Biztalk is there to replace EDI (and if you've used EDI, you'll raise quite a cheer at the prospect of its demise)
SOAP is a wire protocol. It applies the XML schema types to arbitrary data and provides some basic messaging on top of it, such as envelopes, metadata, and named endpoints. It's hardly even a protocol, much less a full-blown application.
But don't let me stand in the way of gratuitous microsoft bashing or anything. --
This is something I rather like about windows explorer: you can cut and paste files, which is rather like the "get" and "drop" commands I wrote a long way back when i was learning unix. never went so far as to make it a whole shell though.
zope manages resources the same way, though it's mostly because that's just about the only way to move files around in most web interfaces. --
> For much the same reason, Linux and/or one of the *BSD's would become the standard OS.
Er... starting with a clean slate and you want to go back to UNIX? The mind boggles. Clue alert: ACL bits, singly-rooted hierarchical filesystems, numeric userid's, and concepts like "controlling tty" are showing their age.
Might be time to revisit the notion of "operating system" entirely, but if you want to enshrine the Unix way, at least Pick Plan9. --
Sad all right. You learned assembly, were unable to take it further, and thus deride anything more abstract than your little circle of specialty. When you learn how to program in pure lambda calculus or S&K combinators, then I'll be impressed with your bare metal hacking abilities. All you come off as is merely antiquated instead. --
Well aren't you the master troll fighter... he did make a point, which you, ah, seem to have subsequently proved by refusing to address it. Geeks don't seem to acknowledge the existence of a world outside their sphere of interest, which would make them pretty ripe for the plucking once that world falls.
That wasn't a religious fundie troll he posted, and I don't think anyone is impressed by your grasp of slashdot history. --
For instance, if I was thrown in the past, I feel that I could live comfortably if I could improve the life and health of a king and his court. Perhaps by building a plumbing or central heating system for his castle. But this always begs the question of where would I get pipes, pumps and ventilation ducts. I usually end up feeling dumber that I like, so I quit thinking about it.
You don't even need to be that clever (besides, blacksmiths can fashion pipes). Just convince them that bathing regularly prevents disease, that rats carry plague (time to teach germ theory), and that there's a big chunk o' land over west across the ocean that's bigger than all of europe that you might want to grab a good chunk of, pronto. Assuming you haven't been put on the stocks as a fool who bothered the king or burned at the stake for heresy, you might make a real difference. --
From what I understand about ports (im not a BSDer) is that the port 'application' will retrieve a maintained list of makefiles/configure scripts from a central repository - and duplicate that organized collection onto your BSD box.
Close. There is no port "application", it's just a directory that's maintained by the FreeBSD developers that contains the meta-info for the package (description, manifest, dependencies, patches, etc) for each port, broken into categories like net, x11, editors, www, and so on. This directory is synchronized with cvsup, which is sort of a cross between cvs and rsync. Same thing you keep the base distribution source up to date with (why the OS itself can't be broken into ports, I don't know. Want to use the right tool for the job I guess). All the dependency management is done with make, there's no "port" application that checks for dependencies. So the ports application would be 'make' -- it's the sort of thing make was made for, and it does it swimmingly.
One major difference between ports and apt sources is that the location of the port is on a per-port basis. Often there's a copy mirrored on freebsd.org (or whatever your bsd distribution home is), but the port will try to download the source from its original location first, before trying mirrors (and if all else fails, you can download the binary package manually). --
Don't bother with manual memory management unless you're writing OS kernels or device drivers. A good gc *will* do it faster than you, especially in a multithreaded program. If you *are* a memory management guru who knows how to optimize it better than any gc, you've probably written your own gc anyway and don't need this link. Otherwise, just get it, use it, and #define free(x) from now on. --
In other words/. should have all the comments posted to another database and implement a once-per-minute table swap with the table used to display comments.
Agreed about splitting read and write tables, but why a swap? You'd have to synchronize the two tables in order to not lose comments, at which point there's not a lot of point in swapping them. Am I missing something? --
> Want a GTK+ widget in the middle of your HTML page? Set up a custom tag for it and there you go. No mess, no fuss (well, not quite, but almost), and incredibly powerful .
Didn't we crucify Microsoft for doing exactly this with IE some years back? Not that the tag was terribly nice looking, but the idea was sound. And the controls were even digitally signed. Maybe their fault was the folly of thinking this was appropriate for the public internet, but I remember plenty of people trashed the very idea behind it. Now 5 years later... --
Hey wow, I didn't catch that ftp uses BSD code the first fifty times I read it. Thanks for pointing it out. You people are so utterly pathetic, that you take one little utility out of the whole system and make it your, ah... point? Assuming you had one?
As a matter of fact, can you point at any other command line utility besides ftp? You did say "any", didn't you? --
It's scaring the crap out of the guys who aren't willing to support the kind of freedoms that the GPL is engineered towards. Meanwhile, the BSD license falls in to an area that's total freedom in which everyone can do what they like, which is perfect for the juggernaut from Redmond.
Scared, are they? You can't even stop talking about them and how successful they are. --
Of course you're not going to find anything like "bsd", "berkeley", "california", "regents", etc in the driver file. And if you look at the headers, the BSD sockets interface not surprisingly uses BSD headers, because even headers are GPL'd in Linux. --
Microsoft has an internal team that regularly audits the Linux kernel source and the Samba source, among other things.
You can bet your ass that if they find something that works better than what they have, they will copy it, regardless of the License attached to it.
Prove it, troll. I'll give you points for getting a dig at MS and Linux in the same troll tho;)
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> Fetchmail has no pre-done BSD binaries
Because it builds out of the box. If you insist on binaries, then I present for your downloading pleasure, ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/branches/-curren t/ports/mail/fetchmail.tar
I wonder how long this monster would take to do a "make world"."
Unless he got ultra-fast hard drives and boatloads of RAM with it, probably not a great deal faster than an 800 MHz box. Goes double for make world because it has sooooo many files to compile.
Besides, if I'm not doing games, I'd rather have two boxes that were running within tolerance than one with a voided warranty on the verge of melting. --
IE is a great browser, but it lacks some important features. It's hard to control javascript, for example, and you can't turn off animated gifs. I don't think that's accidental. If you let people turn off the ads, the advertisers won't be happy, and as a good multi-national corporate citizen, MS probably won't want to do anything to jeopardize the platform's value to advertisers.
Of course if they did, they would be instantly crucified for their anti-competitive action of not letting other companies derive advertising revenue, noting that microsoft derives no revenue from banner ads, yadda yadda yadda.
Go run Proximitron (no link, I'm lazy, use Google. If I could use everything2 links, that'd be nice, but e2 seems to be doing worse than slashdot these days). Don't mind the hideous interface (there's an option to turn it off, then it becomes merely idiosyncratic), it's otherwise a great tool. I use it to look at the various headers when I do server work. It can do all kinds of filtering and transforms on headers and content, which includes blocking sites, cookies, etc. Has built-in filters to animate gifs only once, as well as popup-stoppers that don't turn off all javascript, etc. --
ssh is not telnet. telnet is a specific protocol, with lots of protocol commands and options. ssh implements none of them. you can't call any ssh implementation telnet any more than you can call it ftp. --
Linux Today: Tatu Ylonen requests OpenSSH to change its name
Slashdot: SSH Claims Trademark Infringement by OpenSSH
Linux Today: Quotes the letter.
Slashdot: Links to it, surrounds it with summary like "demanding that the OpenSSH project change their name". At least there wasn't any color commentary for spin value this time, could be because Taco didn't post it.
Look, it's SSH and it's more than three letters, it's basically the same damn product. The author (not his lawyers) is personally asking to change the name to something that causes less confusion with his product that came first. Yet people are ready to string him up for this, because the reporting of it practically has him banging his shoe and screaming and sending forth the lawyers. --
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They want linux support on the servers. They are not going to support
This is the standard M$ move. They will allow anyone to be a
In case you weren't looking, Microsoft already has the desktop. Microsoft has been taking solid aim at the server market for a long time now, an area where it is still getting beaten by Linux and Solaris. What good would it do Microsoft to help Linux out in the server market? Why would Microsoft want Linux to be a more viable desktop if it wants to use its existing massive installed base on the desktop as leverage on the server side? They know someone could write pam_passport tomorrow, but seeing a BizTalk server on Linux is not likely for a while.
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And aborts the process with SIGHEIL ;)
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> Dude, you're a staff member of Slashdot. You don't need to follow Signal 11's method of karma whoring (posts an opinion everyone wants to disagree with, just to get modded up as interesting).
.sig now, you'll see it below.
Huh. Consider the possibility that he could actually have differing opinions. Actually, I think I'm going to change my
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Biztalk is an application. It defines a number of XML schemas which map onto the same concepts as EDI, like purchase orders and manufacturing requests. It includes mechanisms for description and discovery (UDDI) of such schemas, as well as various transports to transmit them. Biztalk is there to replace EDI (and if you've used EDI, you'll raise quite a cheer at the prospect of its demise)
SOAP is a wire protocol. It applies the XML schema types to arbitrary data and provides some basic messaging on top of it, such as envelopes, metadata, and named endpoints. It's hardly even a protocol, much less a full-blown application.
But don't let me stand in the way of gratuitous microsoft bashing or anything.
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> It would be nice to carry files around with you
This is something I rather like about windows explorer: you can cut and paste files, which is rather like the "get" and "drop" commands I wrote a long way back when i was learning unix. never went so far as to make it a whole shell though.
zope manages resources the same way, though it's mostly because that's just about the only way to move files around in most web interfaces.
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> For much the same reason, Linux and/or one of the *BSD's would become the standard OS.
... starting with a clean slate and you want to go back to UNIX? The mind boggles. Clue alert: ACL bits, singly-rooted hierarchical filesystems, numeric userid's, and concepts like "controlling tty" are showing their age.
Er
Might be time to revisit the notion of "operating system" entirely, but if you want to enshrine the Unix way, at least Pick Plan9.
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> Something short and pithy
Like everything we've seen from you?
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Sad all right. You learned assembly, were unable to take it further, and thus deride anything more abstract than your little circle of specialty. When you learn how to program in pure lambda calculus or S&K combinators, then I'll be impressed with your bare metal hacking abilities. All you come off as is merely antiquated instead.
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Well aren't you the master troll fighter ... he did make a point, which you, ah, seem to have subsequently proved by refusing to address it. Geeks don't seem to acknowledge the existence of a world outside their sphere of interest, which would make them pretty ripe for the plucking once that world falls.
That wasn't a religious fundie troll he posted, and I don't think anyone is impressed by your grasp of slashdot history.
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For instance, if I was thrown in the past, I feel that I could live comfortably if I could improve the life and health of a king and his court. Perhaps by building a plumbing or central heating system for his castle. But this always begs the question of where would I get pipes, pumps and ventilation ducts. I usually end up feeling dumber that I like, so I quit thinking about it.
You don't even need to be that clever (besides, blacksmiths can fashion pipes). Just convince them that bathing regularly prevents disease, that rats carry plague (time to teach germ theory), and that there's a big chunk o' land over west across the ocean that's bigger than all of europe that you might want to grab a good chunk of, pronto. Assuming you haven't been put on the stocks as a fool who bothered the king or burned at the stake for heresy, you might make a real difference.
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From what I understand about ports (im not a BSDer) is that the port 'application' will retrieve a maintained list of makefiles/configure scripts from a central repository - and duplicate that organized collection onto your BSD box.
Close. There is no port "application", it's just a directory that's maintained by the FreeBSD developers that contains the meta-info for the package (description, manifest, dependencies, patches, etc) for each port, broken into categories like net, x11, editors, www, and so on. This directory is synchronized with cvsup, which is sort of a cross between cvs and rsync. Same thing you keep the base distribution source up to date with (why the OS itself can't be broken into ports, I don't know. Want to use the right tool for the job I guess). All the dependency management is done with make, there's no "port" application that checks for dependencies. So the ports application would be 'make' -- it's the sort of thing make was made for, and it does it swimmingly.
One major difference between ports and apt sources is that the location of the port is on a per-port basis. Often there's a copy mirrored on freebsd.org (or whatever your bsd distribution home is), but the port will try to download the source from its original location first, before trying mirrors (and if all else fails, you can download the binary package manually).
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This better be one hell of a Hello World application.
I mean, all this:
this->SetBackInks(ZUIAttributeFactory::sGet()-& gt;GetInk_WindowBackground_Dialog(), new ZUIInk_Fixed(ZRGBColor::sYellow));
Just to set the background color?
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> Garbage collection is for kids who haven't learned to reference count.
C++ is for kids who haven't learned to do everything in asm
asm is for kids who haven't learned how to do everything in s&k combinators
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Add this one to the list:
A Garbage collector for C and C++
Don't bother with manual memory management unless you're writing OS kernels or device drivers. A good gc *will* do it faster than you, especially in a multithreaded program. If you *are* a memory management guru who knows how to optimize it better than any gc, you've probably written your own gc anyway and don't need this link. Otherwise, just get it, use it, and #define free(x) from now on.
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In other words /. should have all the comments posted to another database and implement a once-per-minute table swap with the table used to display comments.
Agreed about splitting read and write tables, but why a swap? You'd have to synchronize the two tables in order to not lose comments, at which point there's not a lot of point in swapping them. Am I missing something?
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> Want a GTK+ widget in the middle of your HTML page? Set up a custom tag for it and there you go. No mess, no fuss (well, not quite, but almost), and incredibly powerful .
Didn't we crucify Microsoft for doing exactly this with IE some years back? Not that the tag was terribly nice looking, but the idea was sound. And the controls were even digitally signed. Maybe their fault was the folly of thinking this was appropriate for the public internet, but I remember plenty of people trashed the very idea behind it. Now 5 years later...
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Hey wow, I didn't catch that ftp uses BSD code the first fifty times I read it. Thanks for pointing it out. You people are so utterly pathetic, that you take one little utility out of the whole system and make it your, ah ... point? Assuming you had one?
As a matter of fact, can you point at any other command line utility besides ftp? You did say "any", didn't you?
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It's scaring the crap out of the guys who aren't willing to support the kind of freedoms that the GPL is engineered towards. Meanwhile, the BSD license falls in to an area that's total freedom in which everyone can do what they like, which is perfect for the juggernaut from Redmond.
Scared, are they? You can't even stop talking about them and how successful they are.
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Of course you're not going to find anything like "bsd", "berkeley", "california", "regents", etc in the driver file. And if you look at the headers, the BSD sockets interface not surprisingly uses BSD headers, because even headers are GPL'd in Linux.
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Microsoft has an internal team that regularly audits the Linux kernel source and the Samba source, among other things.
You can bet your ass that if they find something that works better than what they have, they will copy it, regardless of the License attached to it.
Prove it, troll. I'll give you points for getting a dig at MS and Linux in the same troll tho
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> Fetchmail has no pre-done BSD binaries
n t/ports/mail/fetchmail.tar
Because it builds out of the box. If you insist on binaries, then I present for your downloading pleasure, ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/branches/-curre
which has been there all along.
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I wonder how long this monster would take to do a "make world"."
Unless he got ultra-fast hard drives and boatloads of RAM with it, probably not a great deal faster than an 800 MHz box. Goes double for make world because it has sooooo many files to compile.
Besides, if I'm not doing games, I'd rather have two boxes that were running within tolerance than one with a voided warranty on the verge of melting.
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IE is a great browser, but it lacks some important features. It's hard to control javascript, for example, and you can't turn off animated gifs. I don't think that's accidental. If you let people turn off the ads, the advertisers won't be happy, and as a good multi-national corporate citizen, MS probably won't want to do anything to jeopardize the platform's value to advertisers.
Of course if they did, they would be instantly crucified for their anti-competitive action of not letting other companies derive advertising revenue, noting that microsoft derives no revenue from banner ads, yadda yadda yadda.
Go run Proximitron (no link, I'm lazy, use Google. If I could use everything2 links, that'd be nice, but e2 seems to be doing worse than slashdot these days). Don't mind the hideous interface (there's an option to turn it off, then it becomes merely idiosyncratic), it's otherwise a great tool. I use it to look at the various headers when I do server work. It can do all kinds of filtering and transforms on headers and content, which includes blocking sites, cookies, etc. Has built-in filters to animate gifs only once, as well as popup-stoppers that don't turn off all javascript, etc.
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ssh is not telnet. telnet is a specific protocol, with lots of protocol commands and options. ssh implements none of them. you can't call any ssh implementation telnet any more than you can call it ftp.
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Linux Today: Tatu Ylonen requests OpenSSH to change its name
Slashdot: SSH Claims Trademark Infringement by OpenSSH
Linux Today: Quotes the letter.
Slashdot: Links to it, surrounds it with summary like "demanding that the OpenSSH project change their name". At least there wasn't any color commentary for spin value this time, could be because Taco didn't post it.
Look, it's SSH and it's more than three letters, it's basically the same damn product. The author (not his lawyers) is personally asking to change the name to something that causes less confusion with his product that came first. Yet people are ready to string him up for this, because the reporting of it practically has him banging his shoe and screaming and sending forth the lawyers.
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