I have such a filter. It's called "reading at threshold 2". I can either be egalitarian and give everyone equal time, looking for all the gems of wisdom AC's and new people might post... or I can enjoy reading slashdot.
Personally (as a FreeBSD freak) I think the guy is a pro-BSD troll just making the linux camp look bad (and of course BSD as well, er wait, it's all twisty now). Trollers troll, coders code. The latter are worth paying attention to. --
If you like the signals/slots idea of Qt and other such interesting extensions to the language, check out OpenC++ here. It lets you extend the C++ compiler in C++ (plus a little). ColdStore uses it to implement orthogonally persistent and runtime-introspectable classes by simply declaring a class as cold class foo instead of simply class foo. You can change damn near any aspect of the language, including adding extra member access declarations -- like "signals:" and "slots:"
> "You must use warnings and strict everywhere except your main module" is not free and fun.
Oh please. You don't have to use the warnings or strict. Most one-liners don't. You can still express conditionals and looping in at least a half-dozen different ways. You practically have to use strict in CPAN modules (though there's no hard requirement) because it's widely distributed code that could choke if someone did use strict and you code didn't conform.
This is nothing like Python, a language that has never heard of a pretty-printer, and thus hardwires one into the language definition itself. --
> I bet if you were really whacko you could set up a freebsd box that was indistinguishable (in terms of user experience... installed packages, file system layout, etc) from a run of the mill Linux box.
It doesn't require a wacko, it merely requires making/compat/linux/bin/sh your shell. The overlay mounting it does will create some real weirdness, and of course you have a perfectly good userland on the BSD side... Come to think of it, no two Linuxes have the same filesystem either. BSD already looks pretty much like Slackware as it is.
Besides, "desktop operating system" is really too slippery a term. If you mean *home* desktop operating system, Linux isn't there yet either. As a business desktop, people are adaptable -- people who are barely computer literate can and do productively use Solaris with CDE for their desktop (e.g. Sun, not everyone there is an engineer after all).
As for home machines: graphic card support isn't quite as far as linux (since FreeBSD obviously can't use the closed binary-only nVidia drivers) but that's about it. Sound support is available natively and through OSS. Plug-n-play and USB support in FreeBSD has typically been *better*. --
Hm. I have linux rpm , netscape, acrobat, even quake3... if i type/compat/linux/bin/sh i get a shell in a vanilla redhat system, X and all (linux X clients running on BSD's native X server that is).
I guess that's technically not a linux distribution in its own right, it just contains one. i rather wish it was debian and not redhat, but i imagine the purpose of having redhat is to install all those proprietary software packages that only exist as rpms for redhat. --
Was that your attempt at a pun? Littleton is one of the largest suburbs of Denver, though I'd say it's much more sprawled than dense. Do at least consult a map next time, Littleton isn't some tiny little hamlet in the country. --
... on slashdot? Not that I don't welcome more news on the subject, but I remember the story on StarBridge, which was greeted with nearly universal skepticism (I among the skeptics, I'll admit). Wonder how they're doing with investors now? --
All those bullet points have one thing in common: the average user doesn't give a damn about them. --
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> Outlook automatically executes the virus for you using a built-in scripter that has full access to your system. How is Linux crappier than that?
The fact that the user has to click on a lengthy warning dialog to execute ILOVEYOU, which amounts to nothing more than a shell script (a WSH script, specifically).
Lion can be installed remotely without your ever knowing it, using a tool that ships with almost every Linux distro. But that's the admin's fault -- for running Linux.
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I can't believe ALL of you are speaking english as a second language... the word is
The KKK does not have a right to march in my living room. Operation Rescue does not have a right to call my phone number. Spammers do not have a right to contact my SMTP server. --
(I don't have a bigint package handy to shift 'em all into an int)
Decode in ascii and you get "CmdrTaco molests baby seals!". Hey, they're just numbers, so I guess a forged document like a police record rap sheet showing all sorts of other illegal perversions he engages in, discreetly slipped to all his friends, wouldn't be libel as long as I gzipped it. --
It does help explain the absurdity of the ruling, though. This number is illegal, and you may not display this number, or link to sites that display it. Which number will be next? 626529876? 354157647732?
You bastard, you told me you burned those pictures and the negatives!
Numbers by themselves are data. Without context, they do not convey information. --
> Yeah, it's a real challenge to find a platform that runs either vi or emacs
Like most macs. Or any browser (hey hey, like Zope).
> If you want to criticize Python at least find a *real* problem with the language and don't just spread FUD about whitespace
In Python, whitespace is part of the language. By the way, FUD stands for Fear, Uncertaintity, and Doubt. I am merely flaming, I lack the marketing experience for FUD. --
I now own a patent for "encoding english language characters for transmission over a network". Muhawhaw, everyone on the Internet is an infringer!
Maybe that's why they call it Andover.net. Because we keep seeing the same damn jokes overAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndo verAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndov erAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndove rAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndover again...
> The trick is to use a decent editor which has good syntax highlighting
And install it on every last machine you will ever find yourself editing code from, in every environment you could possibly use, making sure you got your bases covered for editors on Solaris, BSD, Linux, MacOS, Windows, and textboxes in browsers. Have you ever edited a script in ed? I have (termcap was way too messed)
Or you could just use ruby which is much less noisy than perl but not whitespace-dependent. --
I'm learning Python now. It's a much cleaner language. Consider the following Perl:
for($i = 0; $i < 10; $i += 2) {
print $i;
}
And the same in Python:
for i in range(0,10,2):
print i
How about this in perl:
print foreach 1..10;
or just this:
print 1..10; (admittedly that doesn't generalize well)
I'll overlook the fact that you didn't know about the suffix statement notation (putting the foreach after the action), which few people use because it *is* confusing. But you didn't even use the range operator, choosing the most noisy syntax possible instead.
$variable = 1;
print $varaible;
use strict. that's what it's there for. You are simply not qualified enough in perl to make the comparisons you are making. --
Evil? Yes. Litigatable? Not hardly. Gee, I guess the proliferation of lawsuits is only bad if someone *else* is doing them... Perhaps you've noticed that gzip also deletes your original. Call your lawyer RIGHT NOW. --
Slashdot Mirror
I have such a filter. It's called "reading at threshold 2". I can either be egalitarian and give everyone equal time, looking for all the gems of wisdom AC's and new people might post ... or I can enjoy reading slashdot.
Personally (as a FreeBSD freak) I think the guy is a pro-BSD troll just making the linux camp look bad (and of course BSD as well, er wait, it's all twisty now). Trollers troll, coders code. The latter are worth paying attention to.
--
If you like the signals/slots idea of Qt and other such interesting extensions to the language, check out OpenC++ here. It lets you extend the C++ compiler in C++ (plus a little). ColdStore uses it to implement orthogonally persistent and runtime-introspectable classes by simply declaring a class as cold class foo instead of simply class foo. You can change damn near any aspect of the language, including adding extra member access declarations -- like "signals:" and "slots:"
MUCH cleaner than moc.
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> "You must use warnings and strict everywhere except your main module" is not free and fun.
Oh please. You don't have to use the warnings or strict. Most one-liners don't. You can still express conditionals and looping in at least a half-dozen different ways. You practically have to use strict in CPAN modules (though there's no hard requirement) because it's widely distributed code that could choke if someone did use strict and you code didn't conform.
This is nothing like Python, a language that has never heard of a pretty-printer, and thus hardwires one into the language definition itself.
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> If you're not morally opposed to running KDE, you should give serious thought to trying out Konqueror. It runs using the Gecko rendering engine
It does not. It uses KHTML, which is not based on Mozilla code.
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> I bet if you were really whacko you could set up a freebsd box that was indistinguishable (in terms of user experience... installed packages, file system layout, etc) from a run of the mill Linux box.
/compat/linux/bin/sh your shell. The overlay mounting it does will create some real weirdness, and of course you have a perfectly good userland on the BSD side... Come to think of it, no two Linuxes have the same filesystem either. BSD already looks pretty much like Slackware as it is.
It doesn't require a wacko, it merely requires making
Besides, "desktop operating system" is really too slippery a term. If you mean *home* desktop operating system, Linux isn't there yet either. As a business desktop, people are adaptable -- people who are barely computer literate can and do productively use Solaris with CDE for their desktop (e.g. Sun, not everyone there is an engineer after all).
As for home machines: graphic card support isn't quite as far as linux (since FreeBSD obviously can't use the closed binary-only nVidia drivers) but that's about it. Sound support is available natively and through OSS. Plug-n-play and USB support in FreeBSD has typically been *better*.
--
Hm. I have linux rpm , netscape, acrobat, even quake3 ... if i type /compat/linux/bin/sh i get a shell in a vanilla redhat system, X and all (linux X clients running on BSD's native X server that is).
I guess that's technically not a linux distribution in its own right, it just contains one. i rather wish it was debian and not redhat, but i imagine the purpose of having redhat is to install all those proprietary software packages that only exist as rpms for redhat.
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Prove there isn't a rhinocerous in the other room.
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> Right...high density....like Littleton?
Was that your attempt at a pun? Littleton is one of the largest suburbs of Denver, though I'd say it's much more sprawled than dense. Do at least consult a map next time, Littleton isn't some tiny little hamlet in the country.
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... on slashdot? Not that I don't welcome more news on the subject, but I remember the story on StarBridge, which was greeted with nearly universal skepticism (I among the skeptics, I'll admit). Wonder how they're doing with investors now?
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Do you think I care about your works of fiction?
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> He loves you and wants to have a relationship with you.
Prove it.
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> Would *you* vote for an ambivalent politician?
Of course not. I'd sure like to interview one though.
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All those bullet points have one thing in common: the average user doesn't give a damn about them.
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> Outlook automatically executes the virus for you using a built-in scripter that has full access to your system. How is Linux crappier than that?
The fact that the user has to click on a lengthy warning dialog to execute ILOVEYOU, which amounts to nothing more than a shell script (a WSH script, specifically).
Lion can be installed remotely without your ever knowing it, using a tool that ships with almost every Linux distro. But that's the admin's fault -- for running Linux.
--
I can't believe ALL of you are speaking english as a second language ... the word is
BRAKES
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> Dammit, X has supported non-rectangular shaped windows since 1986
No, it has supported rectangular windows with masks. This is far different from a round window in berlin, which is a real shape. No mask needed.
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The KKK does not have a right to march in my living room. Operation Rescue does not have a right to call my phone number. Spammers do not have a right to contact my SMTP server.
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Everything that can be invented has been invented.
-- Charles Duell, Director of U.S. Patent Office, 1899
God I wish they'd taken him seriously. They might have closed the damn place down then.
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67, 109, 100, 114, 84, 97, 99, 111, 32, 109, 111, 108, 101, 115, 116, 115, 32, 98, 97, 98, 121, 32, 115, 101, 97, 108, 115, 33
(I don't have a bigint package handy to shift 'em all into an int)
Decode in ascii and you get "CmdrTaco molests baby seals!". Hey, they're just numbers, so I guess a forged document like a police record rap sheet showing all sorts of other illegal perversions he engages in, discreetly slipped to all his friends, wouldn't be libel as long as I gzipped it.
--
It does help explain the absurdity of the ruling, though. This number is illegal, and you may not display this number, or link to sites that display it. Which number will be next? 626529876? 354157647732?
You bastard, you told me you burned those pictures and the negatives!
Numbers by themselves are data. Without context, they do not convey information.
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> Yeah, it's a real challenge to find a platform that runs either vi or emacs
Like most macs. Or any browser (hey hey, like Zope).
> If you want to criticize Python at least find a *real* problem with the language and don't just spread FUD about whitespace
In Python, whitespace is part of the language. By the way, FUD stands for Fear, Uncertaintity, and Doubt. I am merely flaming, I lack the marketing experience for FUD.
--
I now own a patent for "encoding english language characters for transmission over a network". Muhawhaw, everyone on the Internet is an infringer!
o verAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndov erAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndove rAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndover again...
Maybe that's why they call it Andover.net. Because we keep seeing the same damn jokes overAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAndoverAnd
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> The trick is to use a decent editor which has good syntax highlighting
And install it on every last machine you will ever find yourself editing code from, in every environment you could possibly use, making sure you got your bases covered for editors on Solaris, BSD, Linux, MacOS, Windows, and textboxes in browsers. Have you ever edited a script in ed? I have (termcap was way too messed)
Or you could just use ruby which is much less noisy than perl but not whitespace-dependent.
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I'm learning Python now. It's a much cleaner language. Consider the following Perl:
for($i = 0; $i < 10; $i += 2) {
print $i;
}
And the same in Python:
for i in range(0,10,2):
print i
How about this in perl:
print foreach 1..10;
or just this:
print 1..10;
(admittedly that doesn't generalize well)
I'll overlook the fact that you didn't know about the suffix statement notation (putting the foreach after the action), which few people use because it *is* confusing. But you didn't even use the range operator, choosing the most noisy syntax possible instead.
$variable = 1;
print $varaible;
use strict. that's what it's there for. You are simply not qualified enough in perl to make the comparisons you are making.
--
Evil? Yes. Litigatable? Not hardly. Gee, I guess the proliferation of lawsuits is only bad if someone *else* is doing them... Perhaps you've noticed that gzip also deletes your original. Call your lawyer RIGHT NOW.
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