Yes, and roads can be used for drunk driving. So instead of trying to stop the drunk drivers, we should bad the roads!
You are missing my point, things should be looked at on an individual basis. This is why ALL P2P file sharing should not be shut down (look at what happens to bittorrent at some Universities). I am as guilty of piracy as anybody here, I still remember the black sunday when suprnova got shut down. TPB made it OBVIOUS that their only intent was facilitating piracy. It should not come as a surprise to ANYONE that people are trying to get them shut down.
I've used TPD, we all have. However, you really cannot argue that they aren't facilitating the trade of copywritten media. If I build a building and call it "Thieves Depot" and intentionally provide an area for thieves to trade their ill-gotten wares, I'm helping their cause./what is this NNTP jazz....//!holy! NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!
If cars didn't break down, we wouldn't need automechanics!
If houses were fireproof we wouldn't need firefighters!
If people never got sick we wouldn't need doctors!
If stupid people didn't exist we wouldn't need steel toed boots!
Contrary to what my receptionist believes "Computers" is not one skill. While one person might be especially good at manipulating Wi-Fi networks, another person might be talented at writing kernel-mode rootkits for unix. Still another person might be exceptionally experienced with IBM as400 mainframes and have written papers on the topic. It is by invitation only so that they don't get 2000 fresh out of puberty "hackers" who have never written an application in their life constantly asking them how to hack into pr0n sites and hotmail.
it is exactly the same as if a bunch of physicists got together for an invitation only conference. Its for academics.
(Monitors on Desk * cups of coffer per day) - (downtime of mailserver + vista installs) / (|the temperature of the server room|) = Productivity
x2 multiplier for Linux install on desktop
x5 multiplier for BSD install on desktop + 1 free very much needed hooker
x10 multiplier for *nix install on managements desktop
Lather rinse repeat for each member of IT department.
Add them together, if the department has somehow manipulated these values to = the number 42, give them all a free car
If all of these values are stored in text files encrypted with 4096 bit encryption and spread across a 3x redundant cluster of 10 load balancing servers so that this value can be calculated constantly to the 10 millionth digit....
You're misunderstanding my response. If you're using torrents for a legit purpose, like downloading linux ISOs, chances are that you can figure out how to get around these 'blocks'. If you're the typical dorm dweller who wants to download videos and music that you probably won't be able to figure out a workaround. This is like a filter, not a block.
I have to disagree with you. I am the I.T. guy for a company that is MUCH smaller than that school (we have 1 As400 machine, a windows server that does filesharing/printing/DNS/active directory, and linux server that hosts our Jabber Server, our VPN, an FTP, portions of our website and a few other sortof random things). All in all we have probably 80 or so networked devices. This doesn't sound like a lot, but there are very few days that aren't busy. Between admining our wifi network, managing the phone system, and being helpdesk to our 40 or so users, the day can actually be pretty full. The thing that is that for any company of our size, it is just insurance. It is cheaper for them to have me here all the time that it would be to have to either have an outside party come in and fix things, or just let them be down until somebody figures it out.
Also, I went to a VERY small high school (graduating class of 27) and I could have even seen US having a full time I.T. person. Unfortunately for us, the job of I.T. got passed around between our chem. teacher, our librarian, and our LIT teacher. Try to convince the administration that you wouldn't only be their I.T. but that you could be a part-time teacher as well. Maybe teach a programming class, or run an after school program teaching kids about networking. I can almost guarantee that there are some people that would love having you there, it is just a matter of them justifying it to the school board.
If you can't figure out a way around this, then i think i speak for most of the linux/bsd community when i say that we don't want you in our club anyway.
This is really only going to serve to block people that shouldn't be using bittorrent. If you have a legit purpose for it, then this really shouldn't effect you.
this is already happening to an extent. At work, when we get a new batch of dells in and they forget to send us the Microsoft Office CDs with the product key code, in goes the OpenOffice. Its free, and in my opinion, better than MS office.
Who really wants web based applications? Are consumers really demanding this, or is it simply nerds thinking that it would be 'cool'. I think that the web apps that need to exist already do. For instance, i'm CONSTANTLY using a 5250 at work. Thats how my as400 machine is used. There is literally nothing stored on the users machines except a client. Or howabout email, there is no processing or anything done on the client side...its all server.
Should ducati be held accountable because moron motorcyclists feel like testing the structural integrity of the pavement by slamming themselves into it at 140mph?
believe it or not, computer networks can be used for things other than gaming!
This is to be used for relaying information around. 250ms of lag isn't going to matter if you pulling down a sat photo. also, keep in mind that the lag is only at the beginning of the download, once the thing starts, the lag is no longer much of a limiting factor
These barely literate computer "geeks" really are the real threat though. They are the type of people how get very frustrated at their own incompetence and do stupid things in order to "prove themselves". Also, the reason that the higher up you go, the lower IT knowledge seems to get is that Skills in IT are almost necessarily inversely proportional to management skills. People who lack management skills are forced to compensate by learning more about computers (in the field of IT i mean), while ones who lack a natural predisposition towards computers are forced to compensate by honing their management skills.
I couldn't agree with you more. I work as IT for a relatively small company (we have about 200 employees, 50 of them have workstations)......on most days there isn't a WHOLE lot for me to do...so i spend a lot of time just reading slashdot or messing around with my linux boxes. My recent projects have been playing with soekris/WRAP/router boards and big honkin' ubiquiti cards. These are projects that have payed off, I've doubled our wireless networks coverage area (something people were telling us we could only do if we spent crazy money on cisco gear). So time not spent fixing peoples computers is spent just sharpening my skills, and/or reading about new technologies and techniques.
well, presumably anything could be reverse engineered....assuming that whatever technology they come across consists of something that is at least LOOSELY based in the same concepts as things that we have here. I suppose that it would be a bit like codebreaking....first you figure out what just a little tiny tiny bit means and extrapolate that ad infinium.
point being, of course things would just be plug and play ("I gave it a cold" independance day style) but to say that a team of engineers couldn't eventually come up with a rudimentary interface is sort of naive.
Not to be naive, but what exactly does google need this data centers for? I mean, its not like they're busting at the seams right now, is it? Their services don't seem slow to me.....is there some huge project that they are about to undertake or something? Don't get me wrong, I understand growth and that they would constantly need to expand.....but several half-billion dollar datacenters? What the hell?
I'm imagining myself driving around the lot at work (i work at an auto auction and we have to store/track around 2000 cars a week) with my laptop plugged into HUUUUUGE ethernet cable.
Granted, most of us are computer nerds here, so we would marvel at really really sophisticated AI in a game. Does the average gamer (i said AVERAGE) share this sentiment? Certainly not. The average gamer is somebody who might sit down and play a video game for a couple of hours a week....its just a way of filling time to them. The VAST majority of gamers out there are not the pathetic second life player types who would benefit (well i guess it is debatable whether that is a 'benefit' or not) sophisticated AI.
My favorite game is, for instance, quake 3 arena. Yes this is mainly a multiplayer game, but when i need to space off and think about a problem at work for a while, i fire it up and play against the computer for a while. If i absolutely demanded smart players to play with, i'd play online.
in conclusion, the cost/benefit ratio involved with developing highly sophisticated AI is very very very high (if not > 1), meaning that it is foolish to pump money into it.
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Yes, and roads can be used for drunk driving. So instead of trying to stop the drunk drivers, we should bad the roads!
You are missing my point, things should be looked at on an individual basis. This is why ALL P2P file sharing should not be shut down (look at what happens to bittorrent at some Universities). I am as guilty of piracy as anybody here, I still remember the black sunday when suprnova got shut down. TPB made it OBVIOUS that their only intent was facilitating piracy. It should not come as a surprise to ANYONE that people are trying to get them shut down.
I've used TPD, we all have. However, you really cannot argue that they aren't facilitating the trade of copywritten media. If I build a building and call it "Thieves Depot" and intentionally provide an area for thieves to trade their ill-gotten wares, I'm helping their cause. /what is this NNTP jazz.... //!holy! NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!
If cars didn't break down, we wouldn't need automechanics!
If houses were fireproof we wouldn't need firefighters!
If people never got sick we wouldn't need doctors!
If stupid people didn't exist we wouldn't need steel toed boots!
Contrary to what my receptionist believes "Computers" is not one skill. While one person might be especially good at manipulating Wi-Fi networks, another person might be talented at writing kernel-mode rootkits for unix. Still another person might be exceptionally experienced with IBM as400 mainframes and have written papers on the topic. It is by invitation only so that they don't get 2000 fresh out of puberty "hackers" who have never written an application in their life constantly asking them how to hack into pr0n sites and hotmail.
it is exactly the same as if a bunch of physicists got together for an invitation only conference. Its for academics.
(Monitors on Desk * cups of coffer per day) - (downtime of mailserver + vista installs) / (|the temperature of the server room|) = Productivity
....pray
x2 multiplier for Linux install on desktop
x5 multiplier for BSD install on desktop + 1 free very much needed hooker
x10 multiplier for *nix install on managements desktop
Lather rinse repeat for each member of IT department.
Add them together, if the department has somehow manipulated these values to = the number 42, give them all a free car If all of these values are stored in text files encrypted with 4096 bit encryption and spread across a 3x redundant cluster of 10 load balancing servers so that this value can be calculated constantly to the 10 millionth digit....
You're misunderstanding my response. If you're using torrents for a legit purpose, like downloading linux ISOs, chances are that you can figure out how to get around these 'blocks'. If you're the typical dorm dweller who wants to download videos and music that you probably won't be able to figure out a workaround. This is like a filter, not a block.
I have to disagree with you. I am the I.T. guy for a company that is MUCH smaller than that school (we have 1 As400 machine, a windows server that does filesharing/printing/DNS/active directory, and linux server that hosts our Jabber Server, our VPN, an FTP, portions of our website and a few other sortof random things). All in all we have probably 80 or so networked devices. This doesn't sound like a lot, but there are very few days that aren't busy. Between admining our wifi network, managing the phone system, and being helpdesk to our 40 or so users, the day can actually be pretty full. The thing that is that for any company of our size, it is just insurance. It is cheaper for them to have me here all the time that it would be to have to either have an outside party come in and fix things, or just let them be down until somebody figures it out.
Also, I went to a VERY small high school (graduating class of 27) and I could have even seen US having a full time I.T. person. Unfortunately for us, the job of I.T. got passed around between our chem. teacher, our librarian, and our LIT teacher. Try to convince the administration that you wouldn't only be their I.T. but that you could be a part-time teacher as well. Maybe teach a programming class, or run an after school program teaching kids about networking. I can almost guarantee that there are some people that would love having you there, it is just a matter of them justifying it to the school board.
They already do that. See: the entire movie bootlegging scene.
If you can't figure out a way around this, then i think i speak for most of the linux/bsd community when i say that we don't want you in our club anyway.
This is really only going to serve to block people that shouldn't be using bittorrent. If you have a legit purpose for it, then this really shouldn't effect you.
Looks like they really want to make a comeback.
Laser Turntable
this is already happening to an extent. At work, when we get a new batch of dells in and they forget to send us the Microsoft Office CDs with the product key code, in goes the OpenOffice. Its free, and in my opinion, better than MS office.
Who really wants web based applications? Are consumers really demanding this, or is it simply nerds thinking that it would be 'cool'. I think that the web apps that need to exist already do. For instance, i'm CONSTANTLY using a 5250 at work. Thats how my as400 machine is used. There is literally nothing stored on the users machines except a client. Or howabout email, there is no processing or anything done on the client side...its all server.
Should ducati be held accountable because moron motorcyclists feel like testing the structural integrity of the pavement by slamming themselves into it at 140mph?
No, what they did is the equivalent of using an open proxy that somebody forgot to lock down.
Neither, they have SSID broadcast turned off.
believe it or not, computer networks can be used for things other than gaming!
This is to be used for relaying information around. 250ms of lag isn't going to matter if you pulling down a sat photo.
also, keep in mind that the lag is only at the beginning of the download, once the thing starts, the lag is no longer much of a limiting factor
These barely literate computer "geeks" really are the real threat though. They are the type of people how get very frustrated at their own incompetence and do stupid things in order to "prove themselves". Also, the reason that the higher up you go, the lower IT knowledge seems to get is that Skills in IT are almost necessarily inversely proportional to management skills. People who lack management skills are forced to compensate by learning more about computers (in the field of IT i mean), while ones who lack a natural predisposition towards computers are forced to compensate by honing their management skills.
No. they give the nerds of an email address, then reverse the web filter so that it ONLY allows them to go to porn sites.
after a few minutes their email servers should reach critical mass.
I couldn't agree with you more. I work as IT for a relatively small company (we have about 200 employees, 50 of them have workstations)......on most days there isn't a WHOLE lot for me to do...so i spend a lot of time just reading slashdot or messing around with my linux boxes. My recent projects have been playing with soekris/WRAP/router boards and big honkin' ubiquiti cards. These are projects that have payed off, I've doubled our wireless networks coverage area (something people were telling us we could only do if we spent crazy money on cisco gear). So time not spent fixing peoples computers is spent just sharpening my skills, and/or reading about new technologies and techniques.
well, presumably anything could be reverse engineered....assuming that whatever technology they come across consists of something that is at least LOOSELY based in the same concepts as things that we have here. I suppose that it would be a bit like codebreaking....first you figure out what just a little tiny tiny bit means and extrapolate that ad infinium.
point being, of course things would just be plug and play ("I gave it a cold" independance day style) but to say that a team of engineers couldn't eventually come up with a rudimentary interface is sort of naive.
Not to be naive, but what exactly does google need this data centers for? I mean, its not like they're busting at the seams right now, is it? Their services don't seem slow to me.....is there some huge project that they are about to undertake or something? Don't get me wrong, I understand growth and that they would constantly need to expand.....but several half-billion dollar datacenters? What the hell?
so you're saying that AT&T decided to sponsor a huge free wifi network in san francisco!?
I'm imagining myself driving around the lot at work (i work at an auto auction and we have to store/track around 2000 cars a week) with my laptop plugged into HUUUUUGE ethernet cable.
oh, and wasn't this a best buy commercial
Granted, most of us are computer nerds here, so we would marvel at really really sophisticated AI in a game. Does the average gamer (i said AVERAGE) share this sentiment? Certainly not. The average gamer is somebody who might sit down and play a video game for a couple of hours a week....its just a way of filling time to them. The VAST majority of gamers out there are not the pathetic second life player types who would benefit (well i guess it is debatable whether that is a 'benefit' or not) sophisticated AI.
My favorite game is, for instance, quake 3 arena. Yes this is mainly a multiplayer game, but when i need to space off and think about a problem at work for a while, i fire it up and play against the computer for a while. If i absolutely demanded smart players to play with, i'd play online.
in conclusion, the cost/benefit ratio involved with developing highly sophisticated AI is very very very high (if not > 1), meaning that it is foolish to pump money into it.
Any k-paxian could have told you this.
its common knowledge to them.