Kind of. 1996 was the days of OS2 Warp and Windows 95 which notably wasn't free but easily pirated. Linux helped more in the server space and with the emergence of the BSDs. Open/FreeBSD was kind of the bad boys on the block. Linux was already pretty mainstream by 96, we used to use it to drive our 20 node dial up ISP at the time feeding data from a ISDN line.
It was the earlier parts of the 90's where Linux made its ground. Minux was the best that was out there until Linux came along.
My point exactly. There are too many sensibilities that can be triggered amongst various people that in most cases will end badly for the "insulter" based on the "insultee's" reaction.
When dealing with people, don't insult them
Well don't accuse people for working for the NSA. Especially a Finnish man who writes software that's supposed to trump "the man" so-to-speak. It's all how you see it right?
If being accused of ignorance is the worst they endured, they didn't endure enough!
Besides, we wont mention that this person in question has since then retired and is still making literally 100x more per year than Tovalds. I get your point but relatively speaking, If Tovalds chose to sell out how much more could [of] he made/make?
He didn't create anything. ANYTHING. Open source existed before Torvalds. UNIX existed before Torvalds. To use the infamous battle cry of the typical Slashdork... "Where's teh innovationz?!?!?111!!?"
I've been using Linux since 1993. I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are:) Oh the memories... 14.4 modems, 386 DX!! (yes, none of those pussy SX processors), Hercules monitors and MFM harddisks!
When people start treating it like a valid technology instead of a religious movement it'll get more momentum in the mainstream.
You're missing the point. It's not treated as a religious movement It's kind of more like being a 60s child in the modern day if that makes sense.
When people start worrying about advancing Linux over where it stands versus Microsoft or Apple it'll finally have the chance of taking great leaps forward.
Google wrapped a business model around Linux. It's called Android and it's doing just fine.
I'm with you on that. It seems like his sense of humour and his calling "a spade a spade" philosophy earns him a lot of criticism. I always argue that Linus is your typical purest. He's not there to please or appease. He's there to focus on getting things done right, in his own way, but as correct as he sees it.
I argue that because he's giving Linux freely to the world and with limited monetary gain that we can't chastise him too much about it either. What he's missing is something which I've learned through my own errors when dealing with people in the past. And that is, to deal with "the public" one must always do so with the softest possible touch. That's only if you're wanting to earn the minds of the masses mind you.
So I say. People who bag him with the whole "his attitude is appalling" type statements. Well, it sucks to be you because I think that you're just too much of a sook and you need to harden/lighten up a little. The people who condone the attitude I say "meh, you're probably a purest as well" because they wish to understand truth and wish to see what goes on in the Linus' mind just as I do.
As me for me. Truth be told. The day Linus actually starts acting like the rest of the PR sheep out there is the day I'd start to worry about crypto that NSA may of sneaked in to the Linux kernel. Until then. It's good to see him throwing out comments like "Deep throat Microsoft" and "You're ignorant". This kind of talk is indicative of when the internet wasn't populated by commercially driven cock suckers like Mark Zuckerberg abusing the word "hacker" and trying to pass himself off as "one of us".
So at the end of the day, who's really lost touch here?
Why not? FaceBook reporting nothing profits causes the company to be worth close to $100bn. A lot of what the market reflects is flavours of the month, FaceBook's potential is realised to be possible even if by a small margin so every man and their dog pours their superannuation into a company that has a fraction of the asset base of say Google but expects it to be bigger within 5 years.
Microsoft stating that Balmer is going to leave will drive profits even further. Depending on how the news will spin it. Don't forget MSFT lost about 11% last quarter so some of that can just be reclaimed losses after the Surface "brainfart" that took place.
You're not factoring the levels of inflation here. The USD is roughly worth 2 - 4 cents what it was during it's inception. Factor in how badly the USD has inflated your 10T pales in comparison to the true ills of the US. As soon as people start disliking the USD, paying back the debt is where it all comes undone. It's not the amount, rather the rate of spending vs its rate of being paid back.
I think doing it this way is purely strategic. Not only can they play the "plausible deniability" game as the Govt does. "Oh, it was an accidental public key release" but you also ensure the data is successfully transmitted to the masses.
The alternative being what happened last time with the cables release and that is the Govt aggressively shutting down servers and replacing them with nasty place holders and installing honeypots, etc.
We certainly are living in interesting times and considering that you're 200,000 UIDs older than me, you have to consider what Slashdot was like years ago.
I remember when people started taking shots at Slashdot for the type of articles it posted, flamed it for being too mainstream, Apple-centric, or because it's become a popular wannabe geek pissing ground. Though all these things may be true or not, it doesn't really matter.
What's important to know is that Slashdot is about IT/Geek news and if you look at the IT segment alone it has become massively political. The shit fights between Netscape and Microsoft pale in comparison to the crap we're subjected too today. The Obama administration is now getting involved in the Smartphone wars for example... who would'a thought? The EU slapping Microsoft over antitrust, so what? The US is now posturing against Russia because of leaked data that has been spilled out on the internet. We're talking about "news for geeks" hosting stories about stuff that wars are made from!
You say hardball? you say interesting times? I say how much more interesting is it gonna get?
Now extend this attitude to every side of every issue and you'll understand why politics is so dysfunctional.
The fact we even need to have this discussion is what's dysfunctional but I'll bite a little just to satisfy you.
According to Google finance AAPL boasts 72,800 employees. Considering that only a portion of the 72,800 would be affected by this ban, lets say at most say 10,000 employees (who cares if was the whole lot of them was fired). I hardly see any massive level of economic damage made to the US over this, it might suffer a shift unemployment stats a little for this month but it would pretty much be business as usual economically.
Yes, the stock value of AAPL would suffer but the money wouldn't disappear, oh no, that stock value would simply move from AAPL to another company.
So, tell me, you drastic way of thinking here that holds any merit? Or are you too going to call bullshit on this one as well?
.... I don't think they're covering up a hidden motive here....
... opt-out clause for the president to cancel ITC orders if he determines they would be too disruptive to the economy
How blind must we all be not to see a hidden motive. Let me say that I agree the Govt. should have the power to overturn ITC orders if they pose a genuine threat to consumers and the economy.
Since when did fucking mobile phones become a "necessity" in life that it requires government intervention to ensure that we still get our shiny little pocket device?
If for example the import was Beef and that half the country would starve at the hands of the ITC. Okay, then I'll buy that the Govt needs to stand in. We're talking about phones for God's sake. No amount of discussion on the topic is going to sway me to believe otherwise.
To say that I didn't know this was possible until now would be far from the truth.
As an avid Air Crash Investigation fan, both my wife and myself watch this show on a regular basis. I surmised this was possible a number of years ago. I also thought the concept of spoofing transponders on Cars when we eventually started adapting this technology to Cars was also going to pose similar issues as well and funnily enough it was something that did make the news (don't remember the article now but it did make Slashdot) but was done so to trump autonomous driving, for whatever political agenda.
In all honesty, there is NO WAY to step around this problem unless you get rid of autonomous driving/piloting all together. Because of some simple facts
a) You can't tokenise any form of communication because it then deems the process unreliable b) You can't encrypt it for the same reason c) You can't in anyway make it COMPLICATED again for the same reason d) You can't get rid of it because it makes flying unsafe. e) It's a security hole that cannot be patched, fixed or resolved. Period.
Also the fact that this is a pretty common and is a widespread issue, which only really just made POC now is an absolute joke.
38% say he did the wrong thing but did they say they'd prefer him to not of done it? 33% say he did the right thing because it's obviously benefited their own views. 29% remain undecided about the results of his actions because it's far from over and until we see the end game why pick sides now?
Their are recordings of air to ground radio between the pilot and ground control floating about. The pilot is practically begging for a place to land. Should check it out if you can find it. The YoungTurk's YouTube feed has some of it in one of their stories.
Just a question. Are you a SOPA supporter? If the answer is no then I ask you. Do you think any politician at this point has a remote chance of passing through a SOPA-like bill through any Govt. abreast the Snowden debacle?
Here's some food for thought. The EU has decided to vote against sharing data with the US and you also have Google and other large internet providers seeking to fight FISA restrictions in court so they can show the public untainted numbers in relation to requests made by the NSA.
You may be right, there may be some harm done but harm to who? At this stage the fallout is only affecting the NSA. Should further harm incur who do you believe will suffer?
I read these kinds of articles and forgive me for being a little one eyed here, I mean, it is from the "Wikileaks party" website after all. Though it makes you think, anyone, American citizen or not, If they dwell on Slashdot and care about a free internet but at the same time have a nasty thing to say about Snowden. I have something to tell you.
You're a Dick. Plain and simple, you're a Dick and there is no cure.
Traitor or not and I feel the term traitor these days is about as controversial as the word terrorism (wonder how many PRISM flagged words I'm triggering now WHOAAA!!). In fact, the word traitor is fast becoming an outdated term the more the world becomes interconnected. So moving forward from the labels put aside here, lets look at the facts, this person's actions have caused this upheaval and whatever happens from here on we have HIM to thank for that upheaval.
Are we still questioning whether that upheaval was to our benefit or to our detriment? As far as I can see Russia and China are treating this as one big laugh and not giving the US Govt. the respect it demands but come'on Julian Assange did the very same thing, aren't they all used to it by now?
So back to the "you're a dick" sentiment for a second. I.E the Snowden haters out there. Do you think for one second that Russia and China were blind to the PRISM program before it's plastering in public domain? Do you think that any of the secrets out there such as the Pacnet ordeal was blind to China? Right here this very news article we are seeing US allies run and hide at the mention of PRISM.
Doesn't seem like that big of a secret to me if half the freakin world Govts knew about it!!
Slashdot Mirror
Ohhhh ... I give up :/
Minix rather ... or for the real pedantic type MINUX
Kind of. 1996 was the days of OS2 Warp and Windows 95 which notably wasn't free but easily pirated. Linux helped more in the server space and with the emergence of the BSDs. Open/FreeBSD was kind of the bad boys on the block. Linux was already pretty mainstream by 96, we used to use it to drive our 20 node dial up ISP at the time feeding data from a ISDN line.
It was the earlier parts of the 90's where Linux made its ground. Minux was the best that was out there until Linux came along.
I know what PCI is you daffy duck! I was trying to make a nerd joke and i didn't even get 1 mod point for it *frown*
Does this mean that the NSA is PCI Compliant?
My second QUOTE was supposed to be
When dealing with people who are wrong, all that you need to say is "You're wrong".
I wasn't addressing the same sentence. Sorry. Just picked up on it then.
When dealing with people, don't insult them
My point exactly. There are too many sensibilities that can be triggered amongst various people that in most cases will end badly for the "insulter" based on the "insultee's" reaction.
When dealing with people, don't insult them
Well don't accuse people for working for the NSA. Especially a Finnish man who writes software that's supposed to trump "the man" so-to-speak. It's all how you see it right?
If being accused of ignorance is the worst they endured, they didn't endure enough!
Oh John Kerry you really botched that one didn't you LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUJTarxfZ6M
Not to make it a dick measuring competition on Tovalds behalf but you look at the guy on the other side of the fence who made staggeringly more.
Besides, we wont mention that this person in question has since then retired and is still making literally 100x more per year than Tovalds. I get your point but relatively speaking, If Tovalds chose to sell out how much more could [of] he made/make?
He didn't create anything. ANYTHING. Open source existed before Torvalds. UNIX existed before Torvalds. To use the infamous battle cry of the typical Slashdork... "Where's teh innovationz?!?!?111!!?"
I've been using Linux since 1993. I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are :) Oh the memories ... 14.4 modems, 386 DX!! (yes, none of those pussy SX processors), Hercules monitors and MFM harddisks!
When people start treating it like a valid technology instead of a religious movement it'll get more momentum in the mainstream.
You're missing the point. It's not treated as a religious movement It's kind of more like being a 60s child in the modern day if that makes sense.
When people start worrying about advancing Linux over where it stands versus Microsoft or Apple it'll finally have the chance of taking great leaps forward.
Google wrapped a business model around Linux. It's called Android and it's doing just fine.
I'm with you on that. It seems like his sense of humour and his calling "a spade a spade" philosophy earns him a lot of criticism. I always argue that Linus is your typical purest. He's not there to please or appease. He's there to focus on getting things done right, in his own way, but as correct as he sees it.
I argue that because he's giving Linux freely to the world and with limited monetary gain that we can't chastise him too much about it either. What he's missing is something which I've learned through my own errors when dealing with people in the past. And that is, to deal with "the public" one must always do so with the softest possible touch. That's only if you're wanting to earn the minds of the masses mind you.
So I say. People who bag him with the whole "his attitude is appalling" type statements. Well, it sucks to be you because I think that you're just too much of a sook and you need to harden/lighten up a little. The people who condone the attitude I say "meh, you're probably a purest as well" because they wish to understand truth and wish to see what goes on in the Linus' mind just as I do.
As me for me. Truth be told. The day Linus actually starts acting like the rest of the PR sheep out there is the day I'd start to worry about crypto that NSA may of sneaked in to the Linux kernel. Until then. It's good to see him throwing out comments like "Deep throat Microsoft" and "You're ignorant". This kind of talk is indicative of when the internet wasn't populated by commercially driven cock suckers like Mark Zuckerberg abusing the word "hacker" and trying to pass himself off as "one of us".
So at the end of the day, who's really lost touch here?
Why not? FaceBook reporting nothing profits causes the company to be worth close to $100bn. A lot of what the market reflects is flavours of the month, FaceBook's potential is realised to be possible even if by a small margin so every man and their dog pours their superannuation into a company that has a fraction of the asset base of say Google but expects it to be bigger within 5 years.
Microsoft stating that Balmer is going to leave will drive profits even further. Depending on how the news will spin it. Don't forget MSFT lost about 11% last quarter so some of that can just be reclaimed losses after the Surface "brainfart" that took place.
You're not factoring the levels of inflation here. The USD is roughly worth 2 - 4 cents what it was during it's inception. Factor in how badly the USD has inflated your 10T pales in comparison to the true ills of the US. As soon as people start disliking the USD, paying back the debt is where it all comes undone. It's not the amount, rather the rate of spending vs its rate of being paid back.
I think doing it this way is purely strategic. Not only can they play the "plausible deniability" game as the Govt does. "Oh, it was an accidental public key release" but you also ensure the data is successfully transmitted to the masses.
The alternative being what happened last time with the cables release and that is the Govt aggressively shutting down servers and replacing them with nasty place holders and installing honeypots, etc.
We certainly are living in interesting times and considering that you're 200,000 UIDs older than me, you have to consider what Slashdot was like years ago.
I remember when people started taking shots at Slashdot for the type of articles it posted, flamed it for being too mainstream, Apple-centric, or because it's become a popular wannabe geek pissing ground. Though all these things may be true or not, it doesn't really matter.
What's important to know is that Slashdot is about IT/Geek news and if you look at the IT segment alone it has become massively political. The shit fights between Netscape and Microsoft pale in comparison to the crap we're subjected too today. The Obama administration is now getting involved in the Smartphone wars for example ... who would'a thought? The EU slapping Microsoft over antitrust, so what? The US is now posturing against Russia because of leaked data that has been spilled out on the internet. We're talking about "news for geeks" hosting stories about stuff that wars are made from!
You say hardball? you say interesting times? I say how much more interesting is it gonna get?
Now extend this attitude to every side of every issue and you'll understand why politics is so dysfunctional.
The fact we even need to have this discussion is what's dysfunctional but I'll bite a little just to satisfy you.
According to Google finance AAPL boasts 72,800 employees. Considering that only a portion of the 72,800 would be affected by this ban, lets say at most say 10,000 employees (who cares if was the whole lot of them was fired). I hardly see any massive level of economic damage made to the US over this, it might suffer a shift unemployment stats a little for this month but it would pretty much be business as usual economically.
Yes, the stock value of AAPL would suffer but the money wouldn't disappear, oh no, that stock value would simply move from AAPL to another company.
So, tell me, you drastic way of thinking here that holds any merit? Or are you too going to call bullshit on this one as well?
.... I don't think they're covering up a hidden motive here....
... opt-out clause for the president to cancel ITC orders if he determines they would be too disruptive to the economy
How blind must we all be not to see a hidden motive. Let me say that I agree the Govt. should have the power to overturn ITC orders if they pose a genuine threat to consumers and the economy.
Since when did fucking mobile phones become a "necessity" in life that it requires government intervention to ensure that we still get our shiny little pocket device?
If for example the import was Beef and that half the country would starve at the hands of the ITC. Okay, then I'll buy that the Govt needs to stand in. We're talking about phones for God's sake. No amount of discussion on the topic is going to sway me to believe otherwise.
banning the products in question would be too disruptive to consumers and the economy
I'm sure they were thinking of all those poor Chinese workers employed by Foxconn that could lose their jobs over this ...
Thank god there's the Obama administration looking out for the little guy!
To say that I didn't know this was possible until now would be far from the truth.
As an avid Air Crash Investigation fan, both my wife and myself watch this show on a regular basis. I surmised this was possible a number of years ago. I also thought the concept of spoofing transponders on Cars when we eventually started adapting this technology to Cars was also going to pose similar issues as well and funnily enough it was something that did make the news (don't remember the article now but it did make Slashdot) but was done so to trump autonomous driving, for whatever political agenda.
In all honesty, there is NO WAY to step around this problem unless you get rid of autonomous driving/piloting all together. Because of some simple facts
a) You can't tokenise any form of communication because it then deems the process unreliable
b) You can't encrypt it for the same reason
c) You can't in anyway make it COMPLICATED again for the same reason
d) You can't get rid of it because it makes flying unsafe.
e) It's a security hole that cannot be patched, fixed or resolved. Period.
Also the fact that this is a pretty common and is a widespread issue, which only really just made POC now is an absolute joke.
38% say he did the wrong thing but did they say they'd prefer him to not of done it?
33% say he did the right thing because it's obviously benefited their own views.
29% remain undecided about the results of his actions because it's far from over and until we see the end game why pick sides now?
Their are recordings of air to ground radio between the pilot and ground control floating about. The pilot is practically begging for a place to land. Should check it out if you can find it. The YoungTurk's YouTube feed has some of it in one of their stories.
Just a question. Are you a SOPA supporter? If the answer is no then I ask you. Do you think any politician at this point has a remote chance of passing through a SOPA-like bill through any Govt. abreast the Snowden debacle?
Here's some food for thought. The EU has decided to vote against sharing data with the US and you also have Google and other large internet providers seeking to fight FISA restrictions in court so they can show the public untainted numbers in relation to requests made by the NSA.
You may be right, there may be some harm done but harm to who? At this stage the fallout is only affecting the NSA. Should further harm incur who do you believe will suffer?
I read these kinds of articles and forgive me for being a little one eyed here, I mean, it is from the "Wikileaks party" website after all. Though it makes you think, anyone, American citizen or not, If they dwell on Slashdot and care about a free internet but at the same time have a nasty thing to say about Snowden. I have something to tell you.
You're a Dick. Plain and simple, you're a Dick and there is no cure.
Traitor or not and I feel the term traitor these days is about as controversial as the word terrorism (wonder how many PRISM flagged words I'm triggering now WHOAAA!!). In fact, the word traitor is fast becoming an outdated term the more the world becomes interconnected. So moving forward from the labels put aside here, lets look at the facts, this person's actions have caused this upheaval and whatever happens from here on we have HIM to thank for that upheaval.
Are we still questioning whether that upheaval was to our benefit or to our detriment? As far as I can see Russia and China are treating this as one big laugh and not giving the US Govt. the respect it demands but come'on Julian Assange did the very same thing, aren't they all used to it by now?
So back to the "you're a dick" sentiment for a second. I.E the Snowden haters out there. Do you think for one second that Russia and China were blind to the PRISM program before it's plastering in public domain? Do you think that any of the secrets out there such as the Pacnet ordeal was blind to China? Right here this very news article we are seeing US allies run and hide at the mention of PRISM.
Doesn't seem like that big of a secret to me if half the freakin world Govts knew about it!!
Since when did /. become an aggregate of the Daily Show? News for nerds... stuff that matters?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-says-it-has-no-authority-to-expel-snowden/2013/06/24/325281f2-dcaf-11e2-bd83-e99e43c336ed_story.html