Don't forget that since everyone has lots of cash on hand (because they don't trust the banks) there will be lots of Y2K robberies also. Plus theives will probably be thinking that the police will be overworked with riots and other robberies.
I hadn't thought of this aspect until I saw it on a news report. Wow, they actually told me something about Y2K that I hadn't thought of before. Anyway just another reason I don't want to be in a big city on 12.31.1999.
The biggest problem won't be the computers, but people.
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Ok I just noticed that Justin's article has been removed. I didn't read any of the posts there yet, but there may have been some good ones. At least better than all the joke ones in this article. So my question is: What happens to the posts of removed articles? Was it blankly removed? Did the posts get moved over to here? Or where they not much better than these post and thus could be deleted without much loss?
WooHoo! The cloned article has more posts than the original. Cloning just kicks ass. Even if the original probably has better posts. This one is just plain cooler.
One problem I noticed if you click on a Parent Link and then go back to the MetaModeration page (let's say by clicking the Back button on your browser.) you get a completely new set of random posts and lose the post you were looking for more information ont. At least a warning of this would be nice.
That or make the links kick of new browsers. I know many people hate this, I usually do, but this is one case where it would be a ok solution.
I thought about that, but isn't smitten when you like somebody. Like "I am totally smitten with her." Damn. Just looked it up in the dictionary and your right. It is used for both, love and fear.
Notice I said PROGRAMS. Software items as a whole. Of course there would be licensing conflicts if they used GPL'd code in some BSD code. Permit me to be childish, but NO DUH!
I think you took my sentance out of context. I was speeking about why GPL'ers would complain if BSD'ers used GPL'ed programs. They have every right to use a GPL'ed program (like grep). They also have every right to go on a religious rampage to remove anything and everything GPL'ed from their distributions to satisfy some political agenda. But the fact remains that they have that choice.
Now as one person that is just about to try out FreeBSD your post that makes me have second thoughts about the community. But don' worry I'll let the code stand on it's own merit.:)
Of course the slashdot community will never be happy. It is a large group of diverse geeks. While I agree with you the next guy may not. We are not one homogenious group with one spokesperson. Why do you think linux has problems with bad advocacy? Thanks to e-mail anyone can voice their opinion. I don't think this is a bad thing. In fact I think this is a great thing even with all the flames and bad advocacy. People need to realize these facts. Ever heard the saying "You can't please all the people all of the time. Only some of the people some of the time." It is a saying because it is true. I have noticed alot of these types of contradictions on slashdot, but chalk it up to diversity and individuality.
Me personally, I'm proud to be part of a community where people can think for themselves even if you doesn't follow the common mold. I could understand your complaints if you saw the same people making contradicting posts. But still you should only aim it at those individuals.
Notice: I am not saying every slashdotter or linux users thinks for themselves. Not all of us do. Nor do we do it all the time. People do get swept up in emotion or caught in the moment. Sometimes it just takes somebody who has thought it through to start asking questions. Or just getting people to start thinking in some way.
You did throw a "some of you" in there at one point, but I have just been getting a little tired of the negative sweeping generalizations being made, because some people decided to flame FreeBSD or some company. And they take it as the whole linux community hates them. Instead of taking it for what it was, just some individuals opinions.
That article was biased, almost to the point of flamebait with a couple of the jabs in there. Not great advocacy on either sides part. Especially considering that this article seems to be aimed at dispelling FreeBSD myths to Linux users. But there is truth in there if you get past the jabs.
Does it really matter how FreeBSD licenses their code? If you don't use it or contibute to it why should you care? Personally I like the diversity. And as far as the GNU/GPL issues I don't understand the complaints. The GPL gives them every right to use those programs. It is kind of the point of the GPL. The free distribution of software. Sure the resources of the "free" community may be streched thin, but it is a "free" community. People are free to work on what they want. Bashing somebody because their goals are different from yours is much less productive then actually getting something done.
The linux community and the *BSD communities used to have a great relationship. I seriously hope bridges aren't being burned by some people's religous quest to make everything linux or GPL. I also hope the FreeBSD community realize not everybody in the linux community feels the same way. Some of us even greatly admire and respect their work and hope they continue long into the future.
Xamot "hoping to install FreeBSD for the first time as soon as I can get a bigger harddrive."
I thought the LDP was dead, but I just took a look and most of the Guides have been updated within the last year or so. The way they were designed(IMHO) they don't need to be up to the minute, that is what the HOWTO's are for. Anybody have a list of where the LDP is lacking? Maybe that should be added to the LDP, kind of a bugtraq for docs.
My only major complaint is the Network Administrator's Guide. While most of it is still good, it is pretty far out of date. It talks about kernal 1.0 and 1.1.14 kernel options. With all the new changes to linux networking now would probably be a good time to update it and add some sections like firewalling and ipchains.
I agree. Was the LDP ever an Encylopedia of Linux? As I recall it had regular books. I for one would like to see the LDP revived. It seems pretty dead to me. I am trying to network a couple PC's and looked at the Network book, it hasn't been updated in a LONG time.
While I have nothing against this project, I would encourage people to contribute to the LDP(or GNOME's docs) if they want to do some writting for comunity.
I think you mis-read the article you posted about. It says that AMD had it in their performance guide that it was optimized and they compaired the optimized versus the un-optimized.
Maybe you should go back and re-read the article. Because it also says that other test firms say the Athlon generally outperforms the P3.
BTW: you should always take numbers/stats/etc given by the company selling the product with a grain of salt and look to independent testers.
I still think it is a bad idea to have live penguins at a conference, at least it sounds like they did it right. 2 veteren penguins and their trainer. It still feels to me like they were "pimping out" the poor birds.
I did find the "deer in headlights" comment humorous. I may not be a penguin expert, but I don't think I've ever seen a penguin that had a look of happiness on it's face(except cartoon penguins). Atleast not how we, as humans, judge facial expressions. They are a type of bird, they don't display happiness the same way humans do. Even if they had the same mental capabilities they don't have the same muscles and bone structures we do.
Of course this is assuming the person that said the comment isn't a penguin expert either and doesn't know how to read penguin body language. I also really don't blame he/she for the comment. Many people like to project human attributes to animals. It is extremely common, and I don't think it is necesarily bad.
Did MS have a monoply in the past? I think so. (But this isn't illegal in itself.) Did MS abuse this monoply? I think so. (This would be the illegal part.) If the trial finds them guilty it will be for actions in the past that abused a past monoply. MS can lose this monopoly, but the court can still find that they had (past tense) a monoply and abused it to gain an advatange in new markets and had anti-competitive practices.
If you commit a crime and then become the most upstanding citizen in town, it doesn't make you any less guilty of the crime. Even if you are truely sorry and realize the evil of your ways the crime has still been committed and you are still the guilty party. Your sentenance may be reduced, but I doubt MS will get off so easy they didn't repent before they started getting investigated. If they are found guilty they were caught pretty much red-handed.
I live in the Central US and am one of the younger coders where I work and I'm 25. From people I work with and others I've talked to this is probably the region to be in if your an older programmer. I like it because I can actually enjoy my youth working between 40 and 50 hrs a week. No I probably don't get paid as much as some of you but I'm fine with that. And the cost of living here is pretty resonable.
The way the NSI works right now all you have to do to save yourself some money is make what ever your domain name the name of your company. Trademark it. Then complain to the NSI that that should be your name. Then they take the name from the person wishing to sell it. Whamo! You get your domain name for only $70.
I don't think Rob & Co. really care about Slash being used in this manner. Atleast not enough to get a CVS server up an running with the Slash code. I think they care more about keeping Slashdot running and the content. I can't blame them, it is that which has made them rich, not the Slash engine itself.
Still I would really really really like to see Slash put on a CVS server. Then I could download it and tinker with it. It would be pretty cool to do an all hardware site with the slash engine. Or any number of other specialized topics.
Thanks for pointing that out to me. I haven't looked at the how JVMs handle threading in alittle while and I guess it changed. And "green threads" does seem to spark a memory.
Didn't most of the early VMs handle their own threading? With these green threads? I seem to remember a lot of discussion about threading implementations in the various JVMs. Like Sun's Window's JVM threading versus the MS JVM's threading. I'm glad to hear the JVMs are using native threads now.
Cleaning speghetti code is never fun. It one of the least fun things of programming. I know I hate spending hours, days, weeks, trying to figure out somebody else's mess of code when I should be getting work done.
Here is one area Open Sourced code usually kicks the butt of closed source. Clean code. You have to write clean code because people can't walk across the building to ask you what you were thinking when you wrote it.
Java multithreads, but all the threads are running in the same process (the VM). So while all the threads are running concurrently the whole thing runs slower as the threads fight for process time. Not a big deal if you have a single CPU, no threading implementation can do anything different. But with some you can get additional performance with multiple CPUs. That is if the OS(or threading implementation) can run threads for the same process on any CPU.
I just wanted to point out that if you are running on a big enough machine and speed is still very important, you get easy concurrency with java, but it is all on one CPU.
I program in java and love it. The multithreading is SO much easier then other languages. I just really want to see a VM that can run across multiple CPUs distributing the threads. It would be really cool.:)
I'm also deeply cynical and have come to the regrettable conclusion that what a woman says she wants and what a woman actually wants are usually not one in the same. That's why I'm still single.
Additionally I think they broke the law when they used their existing monopoly (the OS market) to gain market share in a new area (the browser market). Wasn't this part of the trial too? Or was that just the Netscape v. Microsoft trial?
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Don't forget that since everyone has lots of cash on hand (because they don't trust the banks) there will be lots of Y2K robberies also. Plus theives will probably be thinking that the police will be overworked with riots and other robberies.
I hadn't thought of this aspect until I saw it on a news report. Wow, they actually told me something about Y2K that I hadn't thought of before. Anyway just another reason I don't want to be in a big city on 12.31.1999.
The biggest problem won't be the computers, but people.
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Ok I just noticed that Justin's article has been removed. I didn't read any of the posts there yet, but there may have been some good ones. At least better than all the joke ones in this article. So my question is: What happens to the posts of removed articles? Was it blankly removed? Did the posts get moved over to here? Or where they not much better than these post and thus could be deleted without much loss?
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WooHoo! The cloned article has more posts than the original. Cloning just kicks ass. Even if the original probably has better posts. This one is just plain cooler.
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One problem I noticed if you click on a Parent Link and then go back to the MetaModeration page (let's say by clicking the Back button on your browser.) you get a completely new set of random posts and lose the post you were looking for more information ont. At least a warning of this would be nice.
That or make the links kick of new browsers. I know many people hate this, I usually do, but this is one case where it would be a ok solution.
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I thought about that, but isn't smitten when you like somebody. Like "I am totally smitten with her." Damn. Just looked it up in the dictionary and your right. It is used for both, love and fear.
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I met this brilliant man once, but I didn't consider his opinions because an anonymous coward would call me an idiot for that.
Of course RMS isn't our god he just paved the way for the true Messiah. TUX! You shall be smited for you blasphemy.
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Notice I said PROGRAMS. Software items as a whole. Of course there would be licensing conflicts if they used GPL'd code in some BSD code. Permit me to be childish, but NO DUH!
I think you took my sentance out of context. I was speeking about why GPL'ers would complain if BSD'ers used GPL'ed programs. They have every right to use a GPL'ed program (like grep). They also have every right to go on a religious rampage to remove anything and everything GPL'ed from their distributions to satisfy some political agenda. But the fact remains that they have that choice.
Now as one person that is just about to try out FreeBSD your post that makes me have second thoughts about the community. But don' worry I'll let the code stand on it's own merit. :)
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Of course the slashdot community will never be happy. It is a large group of diverse geeks. While I agree with you the next guy may not. We are not one homogenious group with one spokesperson. Why do you think linux has problems with bad advocacy? Thanks to e-mail anyone can voice their opinion. I don't think this is a bad thing. In fact I think this is a great thing even with all the flames and bad advocacy. People need to realize these facts. Ever heard the saying "You can't please all the people all of the time. Only some of the people some of the time." It is a saying because it is true. I have noticed alot of these types of contradictions on slashdot, but chalk it up to diversity and individuality.
Me personally, I'm proud to be part of a community where people can think for themselves even if you doesn't follow the common mold. I could understand your complaints if you saw the same people making contradicting posts. But still you should only aim it at those individuals.
Notice: I am not saying every slashdotter or linux users thinks for themselves. Not all of us do. Nor do we do it all the time. People do get swept up in emotion or caught in the moment. Sometimes it just takes somebody who has thought it through to start asking questions. Or just getting people to start thinking in some way.
You did throw a "some of you" in there at one point, but I have just been getting a little tired of the negative sweeping generalizations being made, because some people decided to flame FreeBSD or some company. And they take it as the whole linux community hates them. Instead of taking it for what it was, just some individuals opinions.
Sorry, rant mode off. :)
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That article was biased, almost to the point of flamebait with a couple of the jabs in there. Not great advocacy on either sides part. Especially considering that this article seems to be aimed at dispelling FreeBSD myths to Linux users. But there is truth in there if you get past the jabs.
Does it really matter how FreeBSD licenses their code? If you don't use it or contibute to it why should you care? Personally I like the diversity. And as far as the GNU/GPL issues I don't understand the complaints. The GPL gives them every right to use those programs. It is kind of the point of the GPL. The free distribution of software. Sure the resources of the "free" community may be streched thin, but it is a "free" community. People are free to work on what they want. Bashing somebody because their goals are different from yours is much less productive then actually getting something done.
The linux community and the *BSD communities used to have a great relationship. I seriously hope bridges aren't being burned by some people's religous quest to make everything linux or GPL. I also hope the FreeBSD community realize not everybody in the linux community feels the same way. Some of us even greatly admire and respect their work and hope they continue long into the future.
Xamot "hoping to install FreeBSD for the first time as soon as I can get a bigger harddrive."
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I thought the LDP was dead, but I just took a look and most of the Guides have been updated within the last year or so. The way they were designed(IMHO) they don't need to be up to the minute, that is what the HOWTO's are for. Anybody have a list of where the LDP is lacking? Maybe that should be added to the LDP, kind of a bugtraq for docs.
My only major complaint is the Network Administrator's Guide. While most of it is still good, it is pretty far out of date. It talks about kernal 1.0 and 1.1.14 kernel options. With all the new changes to linux networking now would probably be a good time to update it and add some sections like firewalling and ipchains.
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I agree. Was the LDP ever an Encylopedia of Linux? As I recall it had regular books. I for one would like to see the LDP revived. It seems pretty dead to me. I am trying to network a couple PC's and looked at the Network book, it hasn't been updated in a LONG time.
While I have nothing against this project, I would encourage people to contribute to the LDP(or GNOME's docs) if they want to do some writting for comunity.
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I think you mis-read the article you posted about. It says that AMD had it in their performance guide that it was optimized and they compaired the optimized versus the un-optimized.
Maybe you should go back and re-read the article. Because it also says that other test firms say the Athlon generally outperforms the P3.
BTW: you should always take numbers/stats/etc given by the company selling the product with a grain of salt and look to independent testers.
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ME: So Mr. Penguin do you want to work here?
Penguin: SQWACK!
ME: How about here?
Penguin: SQWACK!
ME: Where do you want to work?
Penguin: SQWACK!
ME: WHERE DO YOU WANT TO WORK?
Penguin: SQWACK!
ME: DAMN IT PENGUIN ANSWER ME!
Penguin: SQWACK!
ME: screw it, I'm outta here.
Penguin: SQWACK!
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I still think it is a bad idea to have live penguins at a conference, at least it sounds like they did it right. 2 veteren penguins and their trainer. It still feels to me like they were "pimping out" the poor birds.
I did find the "deer in headlights" comment humorous. I may not be a penguin expert, but I don't think I've ever seen a penguin that had a look of happiness on it's face(except cartoon penguins). Atleast not how we, as humans, judge facial expressions. They are a type of bird, they don't display happiness the same way humans do. Even if they had the same mental capabilities they don't have the same muscles and bone structures we do.
Of course this is assuming the person that said the comment isn't a penguin expert either and doesn't know how to read penguin body language. I also really don't blame he/she for the comment. Many people like to project human attributes to animals. It is extremely common, and I don't think it is necesarily bad.
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How is this bad for the trial?
Did MS have a monoply in the past? I think so. (But this isn't illegal in itself.) Did MS abuse this monoply? I think so. (This would be the illegal part.) If the trial finds them guilty it will be for actions in the past that abused a past monoply. MS can lose this monopoly, but the court can still find that they had (past tense) a monoply and abused it to gain an advatange in new markets and had anti-competitive practices.
If you commit a crime and then become the most upstanding citizen in town, it doesn't make you any less guilty of the crime. Even if you are truely sorry and realize the evil of your ways the crime has still been committed and you are still the guilty party. Your sentenance may be reduced, but I doubt MS will get off so easy they didn't repent before they started getting investigated. If they are found guilty they were caught pretty much red-handed.
But then again, IANAL.
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PET MY MONKEY.
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This is the part of Sprockets were we dance!
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I live in the Central US and am one of the younger coders where I work and I'm 25. From people I work with and others I've talked to this is probably the region to be in if your an older programmer. I like it because I can actually enjoy my youth working between 40 and 50 hrs a week. No I probably don't get paid as much as some of you but I'm fine with that. And the cost of living here is pretty resonable.
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The way the NSI works right now all you have to do to save yourself some money is make what ever your domain name the name of your company. Trademark it. Then complain to the NSI that that should be your name. Then they take the name from the person wishing to sell it. Whamo! You get your domain name for only $70.
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They are being reactive if something has already been publisized. They would be proactive if the fixed it before that.
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I don't think Rob & Co. really care about Slash being used in this manner. Atleast not enough to get a CVS server up an running with the Slash code. I think they care more about keeping Slashdot running and the content. I can't blame them, it is that which has made them rich, not the Slash engine itself.
Still I would really really really like to see Slash put on a CVS server. Then I could download it and tinker with it. It would be pretty cool to do an all hardware site with the slash engine. Or any number of other specialized topics.
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Thanks for pointing that out to me. I haven't looked at the how JVMs handle threading in alittle while and I guess it changed. And "green threads" does seem to spark a memory.
Didn't most of the early VMs handle their own threading? With these green threads? I seem to remember a lot of discussion about threading implementations in the various JVMs. Like Sun's Window's JVM threading versus the MS JVM's threading. I'm glad to hear the JVMs are using native threads now.
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Cleaning speghetti code is never fun. It one of the least fun things of programming. I know I hate spending hours, days, weeks, trying to figure out somebody else's mess of code when I should be getting work done.
Here is one area Open Sourced code usually kicks the butt of closed source. Clean code. You have to write clean code because people can't walk across the building to ask you what you were thinking when you wrote it.
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Java multithreads, but all the threads are running in the same process (the VM). So while all the threads are running concurrently the whole thing runs slower as the threads fight for process time. Not a big deal if you have a single CPU, no threading implementation can do anything different. But with some you can get additional performance with multiple CPUs. That is if the OS(or threading implementation) can run threads for the same process on any CPU.
I just wanted to point out that if you are running on a big enough machine and speed is still very important, you get easy concurrency with java, but it is all on one CPU.
I program in java and love it. The multithreading is SO much easier then other languages. I just really want to see a VM that can run across multiple CPUs distributing the threads. It would be really cool. :)
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I'm also deeply cynical and have come to the regrettable conclusion that what a woman says she wants and what a woman actually wants are usually not one in the same. That's why I'm still single.
I second that.
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Standard disclaimer: IANAL
Additionally I think they broke the law when they used their existing monopoly (the OS market) to gain market share in a new area (the browser market). Wasn't this part of the trial too? Or was that just the Netscape v. Microsoft trial?