Why is any of this a surprise? Do we expect children coming up in the system to be interested in writing code when that job function has been outsourced at every opportunity (or the cheap labor insourced via H1B/L1 visa)?
There was a time when children were taught to sew and mend clothes as well; however, when that industry went global those skills became (or at least were considered to be) obsolete. It may well be the case that programming and software development become similarly obsolete (or less valued). In the age of `disposable tech people` it would seem that, from a practical perspective, students might be better off learning other skills that might keep them more gainfully and more permanently employed.
`By the same argument then we should not be allowed to import foreign cars because it hurts the Americans who work in the auto industry.`
It actually does, but nobody cares at this point given the Big 3 made garbage for a long time because they had a monopoly on the market. Introducing the foreign manufacturers was a result of people in the gov't getting pissed off with the Big 3 and the Labor Unions who they collaborate with. Had the Big 3 built cars that were worth a crap they probably wouldn't have the competition they do, they just got greedy in a big way and got cut for it.
`Similarly, made in China products should be banned because they hurt the American factory worker.`
They actually do, not to mention hurting people who buy crap with lead paint and pet food that's tainted.
`Yes, allowing foreign workers in the US hurts the people in the tech sector here. But, you can't simply ignore the huge pool of people in India and China who are trained to be engineers.`
Of course we can, especially since the ones in In-juh tend to be trained so poorly. Did you ever ask yourself why so many of them over there are trained to be engineers? Uh, that's so that they can try and attempt all the work that was outsourced from here. Stop the outsourcing and you'll find more people here will actually go into STEM fields/careers.
`This is capitalism and the low cost of labor will put an enormous pressure on the way the systems work by artificially restricting them.`
No, it's crony capitalism where a few people benefit from huge profit margins off of using cheap foreign labor while a lot of workers, taxpayers in general, and the government suffer from loss of income tax revenue... big difference.
`Also competition makes us all better. Why are we afraid of a little competition?`
Says the guy who hasn't gotten it in the rear from it. It's not competition, it's cronyism, and if you're not the one directly benefiting from it you're probably getting screwed by it.
We all need to keep in mind that `transparency` is a relative term (0-100%), and that being served a mandate to make things `transparent` does not necessarily determine how `transparent` things actually are, nor does it mean that incompetence (or intentional malfeasance) can't change just how `transparent` things actually become.
... but what they won't tell you is that the real purpose of the new `space station` will be to provide a haven of last resort for all the government officials when things on earth go to hell.
`Sorry sir, this spaceship is full... stand aside!`
So the rationale for this legislation is that some state representative is distressed by the potential for losing a popularity contest with a person who claims she owes them money? For that they're going to start spying on everyone in the state?
If she has an issue with this individual, the courts provide redress for her to sue him on the basis of slander (if it's not true); if it is true, then the person who's putting up the information has a rightful claim to make it in a public venue (like the internet). So pay the bill lady or take it to court... either way, keep your friggin' grubby paws off the internet!
Exactly my point... thank you for helping me make it.
BTW, I don't think the corpse was driving, it managed to get out of the driver's seat. The corpse was the gal sitting on the other side who was left there by Teddy.
You know, if you just went ahead and put everyone into a concentration camp, the job of the police would get very easy and very safe... just sayin'.
The fact of the matter is that the safety of any law enforcement personnel is not and should not be a motivation to impune civil liberties. If you don't like having a job with some risk, find another job.
I guess if you don't want to pay for programming help this is an alternative, especially when you can't import half of India on H1B visas like Bill Gates would like to do.
Did you ever consider that scientists change their `findings` to stay (the most) gainfully employed just like software engineers change programming languages? If someone who works for a `climate denier` (such a biased, loaded term... tsk tsk) and thinks they can do better professionally and financially working for a `climate hoaxer` (good for the goose, good for the gander) do you think they're not willing to `reevaluate` the `research` to position themselves to do so?
I'm simply pointing out that there are other things at play here and the scientists who supposedly are doing the work have their own, self-centered agendas. To think they're perfectly unbiased (in either direction) is, I would claim, both very naive and very, very flawed.
I guess calling for unrestricted H1B visas wasn't enough? Now Bloomberg figures he can use the taxpayers' money to school up software engineers (without a college degree = even cheaper labor) for his IT operation, along with the financial companies that won't pay Americans enough to go work in NYC, without having to change immigration law. It's actually quite the good (but evil) scheme on his part.
I don't care what kind of hardware or architecture they adopt, but the damn thing better well play all my PS3 games which I have spent A LOT of money on. It was bad enough going to the XBOX 360 and finding out not all my titles were compatible... there's enough horsepower in the hardware today to at least guarantee that older titles can run in some emulation mode, even in a different hardware family.
I understand the reference to the Countess of Lovelace, but given Ada is best known (in this country, anyhow) as being something of a dead language I'm not sure I'd have gone with that name.
Just as your point 1 is equally denial.
Point 2 is far from `blindingly obvious`; in fact, gas prices here have gone down a bit in the last year... when did they run out again?
Far from being Creationists, the global-warming scam scientists are just crying wolf to get some attention and, most importantly, more funding and influence (they're really jealous of the finance people these days... finance people make lots of money, drive fancy cars and get laid).
Point 4 is simple pragmatism which is unacceptable to liberals given they typically feel they can't survive if things go bad (`lock and load` is not a term they're typically familiar with).
George Carlin, while not perhaps being scientifically trained, at least doesn't have a self-interest like self-aggrandizing and propagandizing pseudo-scientists with lousy career paths.
Embarrassed for us? Really? You can tell us in person after you guys all go bankrupt in a few months and we show up with the title to pretty much all of Europe.
I'm looking forward to owning a beach in Greece!:)
If they ever did then they're dumber than we all originally thought. A less cynical and more elegant engineering solution would have been to harden the OS and software development guidelines to make it more reliable for its users, eliminating the need for a software `reset`... oh, but wait, this is Microsoft we're talking about.
And why do we give a steaming bag of monkey spunk what the U.N. says or does? They eat taxpayers' money and act like little self-righteous, spoiled princes while they enrich themselves through back-door deals and spend money on prostitutes. The sooner the U.S. kicks them out of the country the better.
No, but ISP's are supposed to provide good broadband to everyone.
`Good`, of course, is a relative term. Can you specify the maximum upload/download rates that you're provided?
Yes, sometimes it comes out of their pocket, but that is the cost of doing business here.
When you have paying customers, it's never `the cost of doing business`... it's the EXTRA cost levied to all your paying customers. It's that socialism thing... there's no `free` lunch (or broadband internet access, either).
They get good income anyway, so they can put up with providing access to people with remote locations even if it costs more.
There's that `good` word again. Did you decide that they can shoulder that extra cost yourself? I'd like to see the little socialist prince who did.
We don't leave people dieing in cold.
And how does that have ANYTHING to do with broadband internet access?
If broadband (note that the *quality* of the connection is being specified; it's not enough you have a connection i.e. dial-up) internet is a `human right`, then I would claim there are a whole lot of things that are more practically useful for the sustainment of human life that are as well.
They *are* professionals... professionals at keeping themselves employed.
Companies will learn sooner or later that trying to pay IT people as little as possible will always bite them in the end. He who controls the computer controls the content.
Effectively this means Microsoft has no confidence in its own engineering capabilities or its processes that guide third-party software developers.
Everyone who's surprised, get out of your office chair right now and break dance on your head in the aisle.
Based on what, your personal opinion? Please do tell us what you were offering given `good` is relative.
There are unfortunately tons of awful developers out there. The good ones find a position they like are pretty much settle in. I have a network of very good developers who when a contract ends / company goes out of business, I will immediately refer them where ever I am at the time because I know how crappy a lot of available IT workers are.
There are a lot of crappy ones because there are a lot of crappy developer jobs that pay crappy wages. You get what you pay for. Plus, there are even more crappy management types who know nothing technical and can't tell a good developer from a bad one.
I get a pretty good feel for what level someone is when they complain about not being able to find a position. Any time a contract runs out or I am ready to move on, I easily find a new position. On the other hand, I've heard script kiddies crying that they know perl / php / ruby... and can't find a job. Yet it is those same ones with YEARS of experience who code everything inline, don't know how to utilize classes, look at me funny when I ask why they aren't using a dictionary....
Again, those people exist because a lot of developer jobs don't pay much and because the people doing the hiring don't know much.
BTW, I don't pay for IT workers, I am a developer myself, I've just been pulled in a lot to help with screaning.
You were saying something about a dictionary?
But when someone who doesn't know what an interface is and wants $100/hr, I usually try to find out where they currently work. And these aren't fringe cases, I get to interview these people back to back. It amazes me that companies are WILLING to pay so much for so little.
I'd like to know where someone with that little knowledge can get $100/hr... that's not many places in this country today.
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Why is any of this a surprise? Do we expect children coming up in the system to be interested in writing code when that job function has been outsourced at every opportunity (or the cheap labor insourced via H1B/L1 visa)?
There was a time when children were taught to sew and mend clothes as well; however, when that industry went global those skills became (or at least were considered to be) obsolete. It may well be the case that programming and software development become similarly obsolete (or less valued). In the age of `disposable tech people` it would seem that, from a practical perspective, students might be better off learning other skills that might keep them more gainfully and more permanently employed.
`By the same argument then we should not be allowed to import foreign cars because it hurts the Americans who work in the auto industry.`
... big difference.
It actually does, but nobody cares at this point given the Big 3 made garbage for a long time because they had a monopoly on the market. Introducing the foreign manufacturers was a result of people in the gov't getting pissed off with the Big 3 and the Labor Unions who they collaborate with. Had the Big 3 built cars that were worth a crap they probably wouldn't have the competition they do, they just got greedy in a big way and got cut for it.
`Similarly, made in China products should be banned because they hurt the American factory worker.`
They actually do, not to mention hurting people who buy crap with lead paint and pet food that's tainted.
`Yes, allowing foreign workers in the US hurts the people in the tech sector here. But, you can't simply ignore the huge pool of people in India and China who are trained to be engineers.`
Of course we can, especially since the ones in In-juh tend to be trained so poorly. Did you ever ask yourself why so many of them over there are trained to be engineers? Uh, that's so that they can try and attempt all the work that was outsourced from here. Stop the outsourcing and you'll find more people here will actually go into STEM fields/careers.
`This is capitalism and the low cost of labor will put an enormous pressure on the way the systems work by artificially restricting them.`
No, it's crony capitalism where a few people benefit from huge profit margins off of using cheap foreign labor while a lot of workers, taxpayers in general, and the government suffer from loss of income tax revenue
`Also competition makes us all better. Why are we afraid of a little competition?`
Says the guy who hasn't gotten it in the rear from it. It's not competition, it's cronyism, and if you're not the one directly benefiting from it you're probably getting screwed by it.
We all need to keep in mind that `transparency` is a relative term (0-100%), and that being served a mandate to make things `transparent` does not necessarily determine how `transparent` things actually are, nor does it mean that incompetence (or intentional malfeasance) can't change just how `transparent` things actually become.
... but what they won't tell you is that the real purpose of the new `space station` will be to provide a haven of last resort for all the government officials when things on earth go to hell.
... stand aside!`
`Sorry sir, this spaceship is full
So the rationale for this legislation is that some state representative is distressed by the potential for losing a popularity contest with a person who claims she owes them money? For that they're going to start spying on everyone in the state?
... either way, keep your friggin' grubby paws off the internet!
If she has an issue with this individual, the courts provide redress for her to sue him on the basis of slander (if it's not true); if it is true, then the person who's putting up the information has a rightful claim to make it in a public venue (like the internet). So pay the bill lady or take it to court
Exactly my point ... thank you for helping me make it.
BTW, I don't think the corpse was driving, it managed to get out of the driver's seat. The corpse was the gal sitting on the other side who was left there by Teddy.
Fact: all my guns are safer than a car driven by Teddy Kennedy (or even a less lecherous drunk).
... but I'm sure you've heard that before (because it's true).
Guns are tools like any other; it's the people who make them dangerous or not
You know, if you just went ahead and put everyone into a concentration camp, the job of the police would get very easy and very safe ... just sayin'.
The fact of the matter is that the safety of any law enforcement personnel is not and should not be a motivation to impune civil liberties. If you don't like having a job with some risk, find another job.
I guess if you don't want to pay for programming help this is an alternative, especially when you can't import half of India on H1B visas like Bill Gates would like to do.
Did you ever consider that scientists change their `findings` to stay (the most) gainfully employed just like software engineers change programming languages? If someone who works for a `climate denier` (such a biased, loaded term ... tsk tsk) and thinks they can do better professionally and financially working for a `climate hoaxer` (good for the goose, good for the gander) do you think they're not willing to `reevaluate` the `research` to position themselves to do so?
I'm simply pointing out that there are other things at play here and the scientists who supposedly are doing the work have their own, self-centered agendas. To think they're perfectly unbiased (in either direction) is, I would claim, both very naive and very, very flawed.
I guess calling for unrestricted H1B visas wasn't enough? Now Bloomberg figures he can use the taxpayers' money to school up software engineers (without a college degree = even cheaper labor) for his IT operation, along with the financial companies that won't pay Americans enough to go work in NYC, without having to change immigration law. It's actually quite the good (but evil) scheme on his part.
I don't care what kind of hardware or architecture they adopt, but the damn thing better well play all my PS3 games which I have spent A LOT of money on. It was bad enough going to the XBOX 360 and finding out not all my titles were compatible ... there's enough horsepower in the hardware today to at least guarantee that older titles can run in some emulation mode, even in a different hardware family.
I understand the reference to the Countess of Lovelace, but given Ada is best known (in this country, anyhow) as being something of a dead language I'm not sure I'd have gone with that name.
The women obviously prefer to get paid! Right on! :)
The more chicks the more better ('specially if they're hot!). :)
Just as your point 1 is equally denial. ... when did they run out again? ... finance people make lots of money, drive fancy cars and get laid).
Point 2 is far from `blindingly obvious`; in fact, gas prices here have gone down a bit in the last year
Far from being Creationists, the global-warming scam scientists are just crying wolf to get some attention and, most importantly, more funding and influence (they're really jealous of the finance people these days
Point 4 is simple pragmatism which is unacceptable to liberals given they typically feel they can't survive if things go bad (`lock and load` is not a term they're typically familiar with).
George Carlin, while not perhaps being scientifically trained, at least doesn't have a self-interest like self-aggrandizing and propagandizing pseudo-scientists with lousy career paths.
Embarrassed for us? Really? You can tell us in person after you guys all go bankrupt in a few months and we show up with the title to pretty much all of Europe. I'm looking forward to owning a beach in Greece! :)
Oh yes, this is definitely what they need to be concerned about and not their huge budget deficit and the flight of businesses out of their state.
I think German workers are more productive because they get other `services` besides a `cloud ceiling`. ;)
It has no confidence in its users.
If they ever did then they're dumber than we all originally thought. A less cynical and more elegant engineering solution would have been to harden the OS and software development guidelines to make it more reliable for its users, eliminating the need for a software `reset` ... oh, but wait, this is Microsoft we're talking about.
The UN declared it a human right.
And why do we give a steaming bag of monkey spunk what the U.N. says or does? They eat taxpayers' money and act like little self-righteous, spoiled princes while they enrich themselves through back-door deals and spend money on prostitutes. The sooner the U.S. kicks them out of the country the better.
No, but ISP's are supposed to provide good broadband to everyone.
`Good`, of course, is a relative term. Can you specify the maximum upload/download rates that you're provided?
Yes, sometimes it comes out of their pocket, but that is the cost of doing business here.
When you have paying customers, it's never `the cost of doing business` ... it's the EXTRA cost levied to all your paying customers. It's that socialism thing ... there's no `free` lunch (or broadband internet access, either).
They get good income anyway, so they can put up with providing access to people with remote locations even if it costs more.
There's that `good` word again. Did you decide that they can shoulder that extra cost yourself? I'd like to see the little socialist prince who did.
We don't leave people dieing in cold.
And how does that have ANYTHING to do with broadband internet access? If broadband (note that the *quality* of the connection is being specified; it's not enough you have a connection i.e. dial-up) internet is a `human right`, then I would claim there are a whole lot of things that are more practically useful for the sustainment of human life that are as well.
They *are* professionals ... professionals at keeping themselves employed.
Companies will learn sooner or later that trying to pay IT people as little as possible will always bite them in the end. He who controls the computer controls the content.
Effectively this means Microsoft has no confidence in its own engineering capabilities or its processes that guide third-party software developers. Everyone who's surprised, get out of your office chair right now and break dance on your head in the aisle.
The pay offered was pretty good.
Based on what, your personal opinion? Please do tell us what you were offering given `good` is relative.
There are unfortunately tons of awful developers out there. The good ones find a position they like are pretty much settle in. I have a network of very good developers who when a contract ends / company goes out of business, I will immediately refer them where ever I am at the time because I know how crappy a lot of available IT workers are.
There are a lot of crappy ones because there are a lot of crappy developer jobs that pay crappy wages. You get what you pay for. Plus, there are even more crappy management types who know nothing technical and can't tell a good developer from a bad one.
I get a pretty good feel for what level someone is when they complain about not being able to find a position. Any time a contract runs out or I am ready to move on, I easily find a new position. On the other hand, I've heard script kiddies crying that they know perl / php / ruby... and can't find a job. Yet it is those same ones with YEARS of experience who code everything inline, don't know how to utilize classes, look at me funny when I ask why they aren't using a dictionary....
Again, those people exist because a lot of developer jobs don't pay much and because the people doing the hiring don't know much.
BTW, I don't pay for IT workers, I am a developer myself, I've just been pulled in a lot to help with screaning.
You were saying something about a dictionary?
But when someone who doesn't know what an interface is and wants $100/hr, I usually try to find out where they currently work. And these aren't fringe cases, I get to interview these people back to back. It amazes me that companies are WILLING to pay so much for so little.
I'd like to know where someone with that little knowledge can get $100/hr ... that's not many places in this country today.