You probably meant to say this, so I'll add it for clarification: Leopard has code that splits up the OpenGL load between all usable processors. This means not only the GPU but the second CPU core as well.
If AMD started adding ATI GPU instructions to their cores, and you get 4 of them on one slot along with the memory controller, what kind of frame rates and graphical shenanigans will happen then?
Well, AMD Fusion looks interesting. Of course, I also hope that we'll still be able to buy them separately, because it's cheaper to upgrade parts as you go, rather than all at the same time.
But the possibilities of a hybrid processor are pretty cool. For example, this type of CPU would be awesome in a home theater PC, cutting in half the number of super-hot, power-hungry chips you have to deal with. And if they scale it down far enough, portable media players and game consoles (i.e. Gameboys) could benefit from this as well.
Your "comments" consisted of opinion, unsourced assertions, and a very dubious argument about what it takes to develop a game in the "real world". Once again, nothing related to what I was talking about.
I prefer a story like this over yet another Game Industry Bullshit story. Sure, these lists are arbitrary and they aren't really important, but they give us a chance to actually discuss some stuff. Whenever a new "Sony is teh doomed!" story comes out, the discussion is usually the same stupid "points" being made over and over again.
The democrats have a long history of being ahead in polls and losing
The only way to support this statement is to reference research that shows an actual statistical trend in favor of said statement. The article you linked to has nothing to do with anything of the sort. Rather it is an opinion piece from a partisan blog. Even worse, it does not relate to your assertion, as the election has not happened yet, and it talks only about this year, not the "long history" you claim.
I was only speculating when I said it before, but now I'm pretty sure: you're just making shit up. I think I'm done here.
Thanks for joining the conversation so late. I suggest reading all the posts up to this point, as most of your reply has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Thanks.
Example: Byron Dorgan (D-ND). He was one of the people who actually introduced a Net Neutrality bill, along with the fact that he's part of the relevant committee.
On the other hand, this "study" only looks at 20 votes and I can't find any mention of the methodology used, so it would probably be better to just assume all numbers are made up.
I was thinking the same thing, however I don't think that it's a "desperation" play. I see it as a very smart move, and I'm interested to see what other companies/groups do with this tech. As for being a smart move:
The NHL still has lots of fans, but they've been screwed over by the current media reality of static TV channels and the oligarchy that controls them. The Internet (with web two-point-oh) allows them to reach a lot of people, and sites like Youtube are scrambling to find decent content that they can distribute without legal troubles. Somebody at the NHL knows what they're doing. Of course, it will be interesting to see how well it works out.
[DirectX] streamlines a lot more things for developers.
Proof? Just because Directx has a bunch of stuff under its banner does not mean that it makes anything easier. Also, I'm looking forward to your comparison of Directx and the other stuff I listed.
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So do you have any numbers that are actually relevant to your claim that HD resolution is the "standard of the previous generation"? Never mind the fact that hardly no one can take advantage of it.
Also, way to go with the graphics comparison: you claim that the Gamecube can't even "come close" to some arbitrary game for the Xbox. Using no metrics whatsoever. So, that makes it, uh, opinion.
Oh wait, but you can just reply to this and pull out the bullshit "omg higher speccz0rz" argument. Really, though, you don't have to. It's only funny the first time.
So the entirety of DirectX is significantly easier to learn, and the APIs and interfaces are all consistent and work flawlessly? And it's Free and cross-platform?
Also, good job counting all the libraries I listed. PROTIP: you only need (at most) one from each category.
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The Gamecube was pretty close to the original Xbox in terms of graphical horsepower. Oh wait, you're not actually talking about graphical power, just about those TVs that nobody has yet.
Yeah, tell me about it. Soon, MS's EULAs will require a paper contract, with a notary cosine. And with every little thing they get away with, they'll get more obtuse. Of course, I feel like I'm going off on a tangent, here...
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Or, we could just do what most Christians do (including my father, a Lutheran minister): have fun with it, and don't take it too seriously.
The mere existence of LGP prove that this article is certified, grade-A BS. One of its main "points" is that Loki died, yet the author fails to mention the fact that there are companies that release games on Linux. Aside from LGP, we have developers like Id and Epic, as well as many indie/online groups who now release Win/Mac/Linux versions of their games. If the author had done any actual research, he would have seen that the situation today is most likely a lot better than the days of Loki.
* Sound on Linux is, well, "a debacle" comes to mind * File I/O is different * Input devices are handled differently * Networking is ever so slightly different. (Go Winsock!:( )
I take it you've never heard of libraries like SDL or ClanLib.
As for OGL extensions, that sounds like a preference issue.
Thanks for clearing all that up, even if the info was probably a well-worded query away. As for the tech, it sounds like the hardware devs at MS know what they're doing. I remember a post on Penny Arcade after one of those guys got a high-def set, where the standard upscaling mode threw off Guitar Hero enough to affect gameplay.
As for "requiring things from developers", I was referring to the fact that MS requires (for example) six-channel Dolby sound. Before the 360 was out, I believe there were articles talking about how developers would be required to support some HD spec, however the upscaling hardware pretty much takes care of that.
I don't believe that we will approach a bubble like we did in the late 90's.
I think this is true as well, but I have another reason to add to yours: the economy is quite a bit different now. The late 90s were very good times economically. These days, things aren't as good: fuel prices are higher, war creates uncertainty, the government is deficit spending like mad, globalization is collecting its due, etc, etc.
However, there will definitely be a shakedown sometime in the future. I don't think it will be at the level the dot-bomb was, but it will happen eventually. For example, I have doubts that sites like Myspace will survive the next teen fad, and I really question whether Youtube is worth $1,600,000,000. Of course, stuff like this is part of business: investing is risk. As for me, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.
Occam's Razor suggests that they may have just had really unoptimized code for these bits. Generic code may have been used for various bits of the UI, and who knows how much research they did on "average" use cases.
The parent was referring to the FSF's definition of "free software", not the GPL. And while the GPL's requirements are based on this definition, the definition itself has nothing to do with the GPL.
What I want to know is how well the framerate holds up when the resolution in cranked to 1080p. I couldn't dredge up the info on what exactly MS is requiring from developers, although they all are likely tweaking for reasonable performance at the top setting.
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You probably meant to say this, so I'll add it for clarification: Leopard has code that splits up the OpenGL load between all usable processors. This means not only the GPU but the second CPU core as well.
If AMD started adding ATI GPU instructions to their cores, and you get 4 of them on one slot along with the memory controller, what kind of frame rates and graphical shenanigans will happen then?
Well, AMD Fusion looks interesting. Of course, I also hope that we'll still be able to buy them separately, because it's cheaper to upgrade parts as you go, rather than all at the same time.
But the possibilities of a hybrid processor are pretty cool. For example, this type of CPU would be awesome in a home theater PC, cutting in half the number of super-hot, power-hungry chips you have to deal with. And if they scale it down far enough, portable media players and game consoles (i.e. Gameboys) could benefit from this as well.
If it's such a bad comparison, why do you keep making it, when my replies clearly are directed toward a different aspect of your Escher-esque logic?
Your "comments" consisted of opinion, unsourced assertions, and a very dubious argument about what it takes to develop a game in the "real world". Once again, nothing related to what I was talking about.
I prefer a story like this over yet another Game Industry Bullshit story. Sure, these lists are arbitrary and they aren't really important, but they give us a chance to actually discuss some stuff. Whenever a new "Sony is teh doomed!" story comes out, the discussion is usually the same stupid "points" being made over and over again.
Um, right. Let's look at your original assertion:
The democrats have a long history of being ahead in polls and losing
The only way to support this statement is to reference research that shows an actual statistical trend in favor of said statement. The article you linked to has nothing to do with anything of the sort. Rather it is an opinion piece from a partisan blog. Even worse, it does not relate to your assertion, as the election has not happened yet, and it talks only about this year, not the "long history" you claim.
I was only speculating when I said it before, but now I'm pretty sure: you're just making shit up. I think I'm done here.
Thanks for joining the conversation so late. I suggest reading all the posts up to this point, as most of your reply has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Thanks.
Example: Byron Dorgan (D-ND). He was one of the people who actually introduced a Net Neutrality bill, along with the fact that he's part of the relevant committee.
On the other hand, this "study" only looks at 20 votes and I can't find any mention of the methodology used, so it would probably be better to just assume all numbers are made up.
The democrats have a long history of being ahead in polls and losing
I would appreciate a link to the research you are basing this off of. Unless, of course, you're just making shit up to troll.
I was thinking the same thing, however I don't think that it's a "desperation" play. I see it as a very smart move, and I'm interested to see what other companies/groups do with this tech. As for being a smart move:
The NHL still has lots of fans, but they've been screwed over by the current media reality of static TV channels and the oligarchy that controls them. The Internet (with web two-point-oh) allows them to reach a lot of people, and sites like Youtube are scrambling to find decent content that they can distribute without legal troubles. Somebody at the NHL knows what they're doing. Of course, it will be interesting to see how well it works out.
[DirectX] streamlines a lot more things for developers.
Proof? Just because Directx has a bunch of stuff under its banner does not mean that it makes anything easier. Also, I'm looking forward to your comparison of Directx and the other stuff I listed.
So do you have any numbers that are actually relevant to your claim that HD resolution is the "standard of the previous generation"? Never mind the fact that hardly no one can take advantage of it.
Also, way to go with the graphics comparison: you claim that the Gamecube can't even "come close" to some arbitrary game for the Xbox. Using no metrics whatsoever. So, that makes it, uh, opinion.
Oh wait, but you can just reply to this and pull out the bullshit "omg higher speccz0rz" argument. Really, though, you don't have to. It's only funny the first time.
So the entirety of DirectX is significantly easier to learn, and the APIs and interfaces are all consistent and work flawlessly? And it's Free and cross-platform?
Also, good job counting all the libraries I listed. PROTIP: you only need (at most) one from each category.
The Gamecube was pretty close to the original Xbox in terms of graphical horsepower. Oh wait, you're not actually talking about graphical power, just about those TVs that nobody has yet.
Yeah, tell me about it. Soon, MS's EULAs will require a paper contract, with a notary cosine. And with every little thing they get away with, they'll get more obtuse. Of course, I feel like I'm going off on a tangent, here...
Or, we could just do what most Christians do (including my father, a Lutheran minister): have fun with it, and don't take it too seriously.
I think the porn industry could think of some innovative new uses for a controller with that shape...
The mere existence of LGP prove that this article is certified, grade-A BS. One of its main "points" is that Loki died, yet the author fails to mention the fact that there are companies that release games on Linux. Aside from LGP, we have developers like Id and Epic, as well as many indie/online groups who now release Win/Mac/Linux versions of their games. If the author had done any actual research, he would have seen that the situation today is most likely a lot better than the days of Loki.
I really don't understand why you're comparing two completely different things. For a fair comparison you should either compare:
A) Direct3D vs. OpenGL
or:
B) DirectX vs. OpenGL + SDL/ClanLib/OpenAL + GStreamer/xine-lib + esound/arts/dmix
* Sound on Linux is, well, "a debacle" comes to mind :( )
* File I/O is different
* Input devices are handled differently
* Networking is ever so slightly different. (Go Winsock!
I take it you've never heard of libraries like SDL or ClanLib.
As for OGL extensions, that sounds like a preference issue.
Thanks for clearing all that up, even if the info was probably a well-worded query away. As for the tech, it sounds like the hardware devs at MS know what they're doing. I remember a post on Penny Arcade after one of those guys got a high-def set, where the standard upscaling mode threw off Guitar Hero enough to affect gameplay.
As for "requiring things from developers", I was referring to the fact that MS requires (for example) six-channel Dolby sound. Before the 360 was out, I believe there were articles talking about how developers would be required to support some HD spec, however the upscaling hardware pretty much takes care of that.
I don't believe that we will approach a bubble like we did in the late 90's.
I think this is true as well, but I have another reason to add to yours: the economy is quite a bit different now. The late 90s were very good times economically. These days, things aren't as good: fuel prices are higher, war creates uncertainty, the government is deficit spending like mad, globalization is collecting its due, etc, etc.
However, there will definitely be a shakedown sometime in the future. I don't think it will be at the level the dot-bomb was, but it will happen eventually. For example, I have doubts that sites like Myspace will survive the next teen fad, and I really question whether Youtube is worth $1,600,000,000. Of course, stuff like this is part of business: investing is risk. As for me, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.
Occam's Razor suggests that they may have just had really unoptimized code for these bits. Generic code may have been used for various bits of the UI, and who knows how much research they did on "average" use cases.
The parent was referring to the FSF's definition of "free software", not the GPL. And while the GPL's requirements are based on this definition, the definition itself has nothing to do with the GPL.
What I want to know is how well the framerate holds up when the resolution in cranked to 1080p. I couldn't dredge up the info on what exactly MS is requiring from developers, although they all are likely tweaking for reasonable performance at the top setting.