First off, I know you're trolling now with your "how fragile the screen on a 3GS is" - especially since, as an owner of one since they came out, I've dropped one onto a ceramic tile floor and it didn't do jack to it.
I wasn't trolling, I've seen many break. Google it. You, however, are using a single anecdote to disprove a fact. That's something trolls do, but I'll assume you're doing it be accident.
Secondly, I never said anything about "scratching the screen with your finger", I said that the screens are "highly scratch resistant". I've spent months cleaning it off on any type of fabric, including jeans, and even carried it in a pocket with car keys and never put a scratch on it. Again - troll.
Again - anecdote. I've seen lens cleaning cloths scratch iPhone screens.
Your list of "points" - most of them were just mindless trolling. The "no one wants to hear your keyboard" - hey, guess what, you can hear physical keyboards - the difference is that an iPhone has a mute button and volume controls! If you are so dependent on hearing the sounds to type, then you have a whole set of issues that we don't have enough time to get into. As for "no bumps on F and J" - seriously? It's a goddamn PHONE. It's not hard to glance 1/4 of an inch lower and see what your fingers are on if you need to.
You're the one who mentioned using sound to tell when you've "pressed" a key. I use tactile feedback. Also, sometimes I'm not looking at the phone at all when I'm interacting with it; I don't look over to skip a song on Pandora, I can feel the button and press it. I'd have to look a lot more than 1/4" away from what I'm doing a LOT of the time when interacting with my phone.
If you break a jailbroken iPhone to where you can't even restore it, you'd have done that kind of damage to it even without jailbreaking it and should not be allowed within 100 yards of any electronics.
You've never had a piece of electronics fail through no fault of your own? Batteries rupture (really, even iPhone batteries, Google it), random bit-flips in RAM cause flash to be overwritten (maybe one in a trillion devices will have something like this happen, but it happens -- learn how to use statistics and realize that you don't need a trillion devices to even exist to be hit by those odds). There are any number of things that can happen to it that would happen through NO FAULT OF THE USER, THUS BEING COVERED BY WARRANTY. If I fucked it up that bad myself, I wouldn't even bother with the warranty, so I think you missed the point.
I never said that the iPhone was the best, it wasn't even my first choice of a phone (but due to Android phones only being on T-Mobile at the time and Verizon drastically overcharging, there weren't really options). All I did was point out that (silly me) you should actually USE one before bashing it. However, now I know you're just trolling, so my "try it before you bash" is irrelevant since you'll bash it no matter what.
Have you even read any of my posts? I've logged more than a few days with an iPhone of each generation.
Firstly. ANY touch on an LCD will fatigue it, eventually leading to failure. I've seen, firsthand, how fragile the screen on a 3GS is.
Second, re-read my comment. I never said you were likely to scratch the screen with your finger. Jusa wait until that soft cotton cloth isn't as soft and cottony as you thought. Yes, I still have to clean my screen at times, but not nearly as often as a touchscreen user. Again, I've seen firsthand how fragile the screen is on a 3GS.
I disagree with you and have an entire list of points, which you've yet to refute, so I MUST not have any experience in the matter. If I did, I'd agree with you; but then, where did my list of points come from? I'll tell you where: extensive use of iPhones belonging to clients, business associates, and friends, for the purpose of browser compatibility testing.
I know how easy it is to jailbreak an iPhone. I've jailbroken 2, actually, from the group mentioned above. It's not without its own issues, however; namely that you void your warranty by doing so. You'd best hope it's at least functional enough to restore tto factory defaults before taking it in for repair, and you'd best have all of your data backed up befor doing so. If not, your $200 phone is gonna cost you $599 to replace, all so you could have basic functionality.
Like I said, there's a lot to loke about your JesusPhone. I know this becaused I've used one enough to be able to tell you the two things I would change and provide a list of reasond why I'd change them.
Where did I say that anyone claiming to prefer a touchscreen keyboard can't remember where keys are? I was refuting the argument you made, while you're putting words in my mouth.
Keep the following in mind while relying on sound from your phone to tell you when you've pressed a key:
Not everyone wants to hear your phone
In loud environments, you might not be able to hear it
Tactile feedback travels through your nervous system faster than sound travels through air
A smooth screen doesn't have raised markings indicating the home keys (F and J), which aids in no-look typing
You're putting fingerprints on your screen with every "key"press, which you'll have to wipe off, risking scratching the screen
You're putting pressure on your screen with every "key"press, which will eventually damage the somewhat fragile structure of the screen itself
There's a lot to like about the iPhone and, were it not locked down as it is, and with a slide-out keyboard, Apple may have made a customer out of me when it came time to replace my Curve 8300.
The reason to prefer the tactile feel of a keyboard is tied entirely to not being a total n00b.
Once you know where the keys are, you no longer need to look to find them (and thus don't care what they look like). When you're not looking at the keyboard, you're looking at either the screen or the document you're transcribing, and usually typing much faster than if you were looking at the keyboard.
Of course, for this to be even a remote possibility, you MUST have a physical keyboard, so you can feel your way to the keys and know when you've pressed one.
American McGee's Alice, one of my favorite games of all time, requires the disc to be inserted in order to play.
Now that my primary system is a netbook, thus, no optical drive, I have been forced to download a cracked copy in order to continue playing the game I paid for.
Is that a lost sale? NO! I wouldn't have bought a 2nd copy, as that copy would have been as fucking useless as the copy I ALREADY OWN.
Fuck. I'm not a goddamn pirate but I had to resort to piracy to use a product I already paid for because the system I want to use it on doesn't support its DRM.
How did I get the damn game installed in the first place without a CD drive? Easy, I have a USB CD drive, but I don't carry it everywhere I go (it stays on my desk, and I'm often not at my desk).
Mind you, Alice was the last commercial PC game I every bought, and is likely the last I will ever buy. I've bought a fair number of indie and console games recently, though. No DRM to fuck me over later.
6) Dropped down a 1.6km mine shaft (didn't survive that one... still don't have the remains... if there are any...)
How do you know it didn't survive? It could be at the bottom of that mine shaft, crying, wondering where you are, missing you, cursing you for abandoning it, right now, as I'm typing this.
I have a BenQ-Siemens S88 that I still use as a camera (that phone was essentially a full-featured 2MP camera -- autofocus and all -- with a phone added in). The picture quality this thing puts out is AMAZING. Also, the OLED screen is stunning to look at and, with the radio off, I can get several days of heavy shooting from it on a single charge.
I have no clue where the data cable got off to, but that's no big deal, I just transfer everything to my Bold via bluetooth. Speaking of which, it's nice to have a device in my pocket capable of several days on a single charge, in case the Bold dies and I really need to make a call; I can just pop the SIM in and I'm set.
That said, I've got a few stories to tell...
My fiancee dropped her nokia 6102 in the toilet at least a half dozen times, stepped on it (cracking the outer screen) and it still works. We replaced it when she snapped the hinge... but I just powered it back on with my SIM in it and it still makes calls!
Her and I both had (well, she still has) BB 8300 Curves. Those fuckers are rugged. Mine survived being dropped off a 13' ladder, onto concrete, being dropped in a puddle, being dropped while I was walking (and subsequently kicked across the floor), stepped on, sat on, bashed into things, thrown across the apartment. Hell, one time it fell of my side while I was getting in my car, I backed out, realized I didn't have it, pulled back in to go get it, got out of the car, and realized I had just run it over. Twice. I upgraded to the Bold when my Curve finally started acting up.
I don't know EVERYTHING she's done to hers, but I recall one time having to take it apart to dry it out after it sat in a pan she had soaking overnight. About a month later (and a week after my upgrade), her battery failed. I gave her my battery and her Curve started acting up just like mine did pre-upgrade. So, we ordered her a new battery (wasn't eligible for upgrade at the time). 3 months later, she cracked the casing, so I backed everything up, popped the known good battery into my old Curve, low and behold, it worked fine after all it had been through. Restored all her data onto my old curve and it's still kicking. Since, it's been rebuilt twice to dry out after being dropped in puddles.
Now, my Bold has been sat on, stepped on, dropped on all 6 sides onto concrete (yes, screen-down, even), gone for a brief swim, skidded SCREEN-DOWN across gravel, and somehow has not a single mark on it and works flawlessly.
A coworker's 8320 Curve has been through as much as my 8300 AND been eaten by his dog. Aside from missing the entire right side of the case, it works flawlessly.
The moral? Nokia used to make hella-tough phones. RIM (BlackBerry) phones are fucking indestructible though (fiancee's Curve with cracked case still works, but I figured, why deal with the cosmetic issue?)
I plan to glue the case on the old Curve and get a new battery for it, then load it up with games and transcode a bunch of movies for it and pass it down to my little sister (7) as a media device and PIM. It'll probably last her well into her college years, given what it's survived with me. She actually takes care of her stuff.
We're not there QUITE yet, but that's not stopping me from armor plating my walls and installing a drive-thru with a tunnel-and-cart pulley system in my back yard.
You know, to sell the guns, knives, and pipes I've been stocking up on when the time comes.
Similar happened with 2 copies of XP and another straight-from-MS copy of Vista Ultimate 64-bit. The only MS OS's I haven't had activation issues with are the pre-XP versions that didn't include this bullshit, pirated copies that replaced the defunct legit copies, and the 32-bit copy of Vista Ultimate that I got in the same promo as the 64-bit version that gave me issues.
Just sayin'... it hasn't been a one-time thing for me.
The problem is that... well... it doesn't work the way they say it does.
I have a legit copy of Win7 Ultimate, received directly from MS at the Win7 launch event. Installed in October, not genuine on November 1st. Called, got reactivated. Not genuine on December 1st. Called, got reactivated. Not genuine on January 1st. Installed WGA crack. February 11th, still "genuine".
It's been legit all along, and I only had a problem with it until I used the same method used by pirates.
This does NOT affect piracy and it never will. It does, however, ensure that I will be attending every Microsoft OS launch event in order to never give them another red cent, eat their free food, and get my free copy of their shiny new toy.
If I had paid for this, I'd be outraged. Knowing that it WILL happen IF I pay means I'll NEVER pay. Period.
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Law violates you?
Me too... oh... wait.
First off, I know you're trolling now with your "how fragile the screen on a 3GS is" - especially since, as an owner of one since they came out, I've dropped one onto a ceramic tile floor and it didn't do jack to it.
I wasn't trolling, I've seen many break. Google it. You, however, are using a single anecdote to disprove a fact. That's something trolls do, but I'll assume you're doing it be accident.
Secondly, I never said anything about "scratching the screen with your finger", I said that the screens are "highly scratch resistant". I've spent months cleaning it off on any type of fabric, including jeans, and even carried it in a pocket with car keys and never put a scratch on it. Again - troll.
Again - anecdote. I've seen lens cleaning cloths scratch iPhone screens.
Your list of "points" - most of them were just mindless trolling. The "no one wants to hear your keyboard" - hey, guess what, you can hear physical keyboards - the difference is that an iPhone has a mute button and volume controls! If you are so dependent on hearing the sounds to type, then you have a whole set of issues that we don't have enough time to get into. As for "no bumps on F and J" - seriously? It's a goddamn PHONE. It's not hard to glance 1/4 of an inch lower and see what your fingers are on if you need to.
You're the one who mentioned using sound to tell when you've "pressed" a key. I use tactile feedback. Also, sometimes I'm not looking at the phone at all when I'm interacting with it; I don't look over to skip a song on Pandora, I can feel the button and press it. I'd have to look a lot more than 1/4" away from what I'm doing a LOT of the time when interacting with my phone.
If you break a jailbroken iPhone to where you can't even restore it, you'd have done that kind of damage to it even without jailbreaking it and should not be allowed within 100 yards of any electronics.
You've never had a piece of electronics fail through no fault of your own? Batteries rupture (really, even iPhone batteries, Google it), random bit-flips in RAM cause flash to be overwritten (maybe one in a trillion devices will have something like this happen, but it happens -- learn how to use statistics and realize that you don't need a trillion devices to even exist to be hit by those odds). There are any number of things that can happen to it that would happen through NO FAULT OF THE USER, THUS BEING COVERED BY WARRANTY. If I fucked it up that bad myself, I wouldn't even bother with the warranty, so I think you missed the point.
I never said that the iPhone was the best, it wasn't even my first choice of a phone (but due to Android phones only being on T-Mobile at the time and Verizon drastically overcharging, there weren't really options). All I did was point out that (silly me) you should actually USE one before bashing it. However, now I know you're just trolling, so my "try it before you bash" is irrelevant since you'll bash it no matter what.
Have you even read any of my posts? I've logged more than a few days with an iPhone of each generation.
Firstly. ANY touch on an LCD will fatigue it, eventually leading to failure. I've seen, firsthand, how fragile the screen on a 3GS is.
Second, re-read my comment. I never said you were likely to scratch the screen with your finger. Jusa wait until that soft cotton cloth isn't as soft and cottony as you thought. Yes, I still have to clean my screen at times, but not nearly as often as a touchscreen user. Again, I've seen firsthand how fragile the screen is on a 3GS.
I disagree with you and have an entire list of points, which you've yet to refute, so I MUST not have any experience in the matter. If I did, I'd agree with you; but then, where did my list of points come from? I'll tell you where: extensive use of iPhones belonging to clients, business associates, and friends, for the purpose of browser compatibility testing.
I know how easy it is to jailbreak an iPhone. I've jailbroken 2, actually, from the group mentioned above. It's not without its own issues, however; namely that you void your warranty by doing so. You'd best hope it's at least functional enough to restore tto factory defaults before taking it in for repair, and you'd best have all of your data backed up befor doing so. If not, your $200 phone is gonna cost you $599 to replace, all so you could have basic functionality.
Like I said, there's a lot to loke about your JesusPhone. I know this becaused I've used one enough to be able to tell you the two things I would change and provide a list of reasond why I'd change them.
Keep the following in mind while relying on sound from your phone to tell you when you've pressed a key:
There's a lot to like about the iPhone and, were it not locked down as it is, and with a slide-out keyboard, Apple may have made a customer out of me when it came time to replace my Curve 8300.
Physical keyboard AND the ability to read and respond to /. comments (from ANYWHERE).
Three reasons this comment was...
Posted from my AT&T Wireless Blackberry Bold 9000
The reason to prefer the tactile feel of a keyboard is tied entirely to not being a total n00b.
Once you know where the keys are, you no longer need to look to find them (and thus don't care what they look like). When you're not looking at the keyboard, you're looking at either the screen or the document you're transcribing, and usually typing much faster than if you were looking at the keyboard.
Of course, for this to be even a remote possibility, you MUST have a physical keyboard, so you can feel your way to the keys and know when you've pressed one.
Maybe I was going for a funny mod?
Let's look at my karma and just make a quick assumption that I didn't get it by being a complete asshole, going around and calling people Republicans.
It's not like I didn't give you anything to fire back with, I did make 2 typos in my reply.
1 / 0.2 = 5, so is that 7 years, or 25 years?
You must mean 7, because USB didn't exist in 1985. If course, USB battery chargers didn't exits in 2003.
You confuse me.
American McGee's Alice, one of my favorite games of all time, requires the disc to be inserted in order to play.
Now that my primary system is a netbook, thus, no optical drive, I have been forced to download a cracked copy in order to continue playing the game I paid for.
Is that a lost sale? NO! I wouldn't have bought a 2nd copy, as that copy would have been as fucking useless as the copy I ALREADY OWN.
Fuck. I'm not a goddamn pirate but I had to resort to piracy to use a product I already paid for because the system I want to use it on doesn't support its DRM.
How did I get the damn game installed in the first place without a CD drive? Easy, I have a USB CD drive, but I don't carry it everywhere I go (it stays on my desk, and I'm often not at my desk).
Mind you, Alice was the last commercial PC game I every bought, and is likely the last I will ever buy. I've bought a fair number of indie and console games recently, though. No DRM to fuck me over later.
I didn't mention my 6820 in my earlier post because nothing bad ever happened to it. I loved that thing tho.
6) Dropped down a 1.6km mine shaft (didn't survive that one... still don't have the remains... if there are any...)
How do you know it didn't survive? It could be at the bottom of that mine shaft, crying, wondering where you are, missing you, cursing you for abandoning it, right now, as I'm typing this.
You
Insensitive
Bastard!
I have a BenQ-Siemens S88 that I still use as a camera (that phone was essentially a full-featured 2MP camera -- autofocus and all -- with a phone added in). The picture quality this thing puts out is AMAZING. Also, the OLED screen is stunning to look at and, with the radio off, I can get several days of heavy shooting from it on a single charge.
I have no clue where the data cable got off to, but that's no big deal, I just transfer everything to my Bold via bluetooth. Speaking of which, it's nice to have a device in my pocket capable of several days on a single charge, in case the Bold dies and I really need to make a call; I can just pop the SIM in and I'm set.
That said, I've got a few stories to tell...
My fiancee dropped her nokia 6102 in the toilet at least a half dozen times, stepped on it (cracking the outer screen) and it still works. We replaced it when she snapped the hinge... but I just powered it back on with my SIM in it and it still makes calls!
Her and I both had (well, she still has) BB 8300 Curves. Those fuckers are rugged. Mine survived being dropped off a 13' ladder, onto concrete, being dropped in a puddle, being dropped while I was walking (and subsequently kicked across the floor), stepped on, sat on, bashed into things, thrown across the apartment. Hell, one time it fell of my side while I was getting in my car, I backed out, realized I didn't have it, pulled back in to go get it, got out of the car, and realized I had just run it over. Twice. I upgraded to the Bold when my Curve finally started acting up.
I don't know EVERYTHING she's done to hers, but I recall one time having to take it apart to dry it out after it sat in a pan she had soaking overnight. About a month later (and a week after my upgrade), her battery failed. I gave her my battery and her Curve started acting up just like mine did pre-upgrade. So, we ordered her a new battery (wasn't eligible for upgrade at the time). 3 months later, she cracked the casing, so I backed everything up, popped the known good battery into my old Curve, low and behold, it worked fine after all it had been through. Restored all her data onto my old curve and it's still kicking. Since, it's been rebuilt twice to dry out after being dropped in puddles.
Now, my Bold has been sat on, stepped on, dropped on all 6 sides onto concrete (yes, screen-down, even), gone for a brief swim, skidded SCREEN-DOWN across gravel, and somehow has not a single mark on it and works flawlessly.
A coworker's 8320 Curve has been through as much as my 8300 AND been eaten by his dog. Aside from missing the entire right side of the case, it works flawlessly.
The moral? Nokia used to make hella-tough phones. RIM (BlackBerry) phones are fucking indestructible though (fiancee's Curve with cracked case still works, but I figured, why deal with the cosmetic issue?)
I plan to glue the case on the old Curve and get a new battery for it, then load it up with games and transcode a bunch of movies for it and pass it down to my little sister (7) as a media device and PIM. It'll probably last her well into her college years, given what it's survived with me. She actually takes care of her stuff.
Iunno. Apply the slashdot effect to that and let's try it!
Sorry to combo-break this, guys, but... *whoosh*
So, I'll be nice and break it down for you.
Bing
Google
Yahoo!
AltaVista
Which of these appears, unaltered, above?
IOW, "Yahoo!" was /thread.
Yahoo!
We're not there QUITE yet, but that's not stopping me from armor plating my walls and installing a drive-thru with a tunnel-and-cart pulley system in my back yard.
You know, to sell the guns, knives, and pipes I've been stocking up on when the time comes.
He had a ticket for a later flight and was on standby for an earlier one.
Different discs, different keys, different packages, same promo, shipped together.
If they had the same key, I'd feel kinda dumb for not figuring out why only one of them worked without issue. :)
Similar happened with 2 copies of XP and another straight-from-MS copy of Vista Ultimate 64-bit. The only MS OS's I haven't had activation issues with are the pre-XP versions that didn't include this bullshit, pirated copies that replaced the defunct legit copies, and the 32-bit copy of Vista Ultimate that I got in the same promo as the 64-bit version that gave me issues.
Just sayin'... it hasn't been a one-time thing for me.
The problem is that... well... it doesn't work the way they say it does.
I have a legit copy of Win7 Ultimate, received directly from MS at the Win7 launch event. Installed in October, not genuine on November 1st. Called, got reactivated. Not genuine on December 1st. Called, got reactivated. Not genuine on January 1st. Installed WGA crack. February 11th, still "genuine".
It's been legit all along, and I only had a problem with it until I used the same method used by pirates.
This does NOT affect piracy and it never will. It does, however, ensure that I will be attending every Microsoft OS launch event in order to never give them another red cent, eat their free food, and get my free copy of their shiny new toy.
If I had paid for this, I'd be outraged. Knowing that it WILL happen IF I pay means I'll NEVER pay. Period.
You don't, by chance, frequent /b/ from your VZW phone, do you?
Read entire post before commenting?
Oh, that's right, I forgot to tack a TL;DR to the end of it for you.
They don't need money if they commit fraud or just ignore the bill. Didn't I say that already?
No, I read more comments after posting and picked up the info that way.