I think a large group of people would tell you the price of freedom is whatever it takes to keep the mean people from beating them up. (Yes you Lefty!)
Those people are fools of course, but that's what they think.
"a new motherboard, CPU, memory and graphics card is a considerable amount"
Well, they have complete systems on Pricewatch for $250. You'd need more memory and a good graphics card, but even with a total price of around $500 I'd call that a very good deal.
English and reading classes in my school. Neither of which is "art".
"I studied them in literature class, and literature is without a doubt an art form."
First of all, no you didn't. You studied a few of them in literature class (which is an elective in my school) but most of them, if you got them in school, were probably presented in an English class like I said.
Others would say the reason these works are "literary masterpieces" is because of self appointed intellectuals making arbitrary decisions.
Others might also say that the current intellectuals are concerned because suddenly a whole group of outdated and irrelevant books, to which they have devoted their lives and or careers, are suddenly not important anymore. So by extension, the intellectuals aren't important either.
"This is exactly what I meant in one of my points. I voice an opinion that you don't agree with, and BAM, I get labeled as some kind of idiot or enemy."
When your opinion is idiotic (moral equivalence with China?) and you're openly antagonistic to the point of being factually incorrect, and THEN you fail to recognize when you've been refuted, and instead respond with more attacks, well I'd say you got what was coming to you.
Did it ever occur to you to actually LISTEN to the people you're claiming to understand? Do you have any idea how moronic you sound telling us you know this country better than we do?
"in order to hold people accountable for their actions, speed limits must be imposed."
What would you say if I told you that raising speed limits leads to fewer, yes FEWER accidents? Didn't know that did you?
So, I would suggest first, that you do some research. You haven't or else you'd know how much of your post is bunk.
Also, the surest way to lose credibiltiy is the "what about the children" argument.
"It is not an ideal system, but this way is better than the possibility of no speed limits and a bunch of idiot teenagers killing my innocent children while they speed down my neighborhood street."
There it goes, credibility out the window. Also I would ask, what kind of imbecile would let their kid play on a road with no speed limit? You do realize that is what you just said you'd do?
PS I'm not advocating for no speed limits, I'm just trying to educate people like you who haven't taken the time to divest themselves of their ignorance.
"Oh.. yeah... so why was I made to swear under oath that I am not now or ever have been a member of the Communist Party ?... because the feds still believe it's illegal apparently."
Or, you're a fucking idiot, and they were trying to make sure you weren't affiliated with the communist party, and you're too dim to understand that they make you swear to insure that you're telling the truth.
"Still, way to fuck up making a perfectly valid point, right?:-)"
I didn't see a valid point anywhere.
The web is not the internet. CERN did not create the internet either.
So, unless your valid point was "TBL created a tool that helped spread the influence of the internet, with the assitance of CERN", then you've got no point at all.
Please stop trying to equate the fundament beginnings of the internet with the funtional equivalent of a table saw.
"This is no falacy, its the whole point of my position. Someone claims that because "we" paid for "arpanet" "we" get to govern the INTER-net. And yet they didn't even pay for ARPANET. You didn't even pay the taxes that paid for the cradle of the internet, how can _you_ claim particular involvement the INTERNET above the involvment of anyone else in anyother part of the world."
Because we DID pay the taxes for the internet, but that's a red herring. Which is a logical fallacy, because the point was never that INDIVIDUAL AMERICANS paid for it, but rather the GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Asking your question is both irrelevant, and an obvious attempt to distract from the argument.
"If practical hands on developing and paying money and signing up users did not make me more involved, then living in the same country as the "cradle" (which is not even the baby) hardly makes them more involved."
Nope. All of those thing you claimed make you more involved, then tried to claim don't make you more involved, then tried to claim AGAIN that they DO make you more involved, exist because of the resources expended intitally by the UNITED STATES. Without that effort, you wouldn't have an internet to claim you were more involved in, then change your claim, then change it back.
By the way, Mr. Kerry, why aren't you legislating?
Listen, when you can keep your arguments straight, and when you stop relying on 4th grade rhetoric, which I continue to demonstrate to you is fallacious, then you will be ready to talk about this.
As an example, I'll leave you with this little gem (of raging ignorance)
"You are wrong in both directions 1) Obviously not, or it would have 2) It actually has to some degree, hence the creation of the Pacific Root a while back"
Here you claim that ICANN has never lost their authority, and in the very next point, claim they HAVE lost their authority.
"I'm glad that you qualified "it" as the cradle of the internet, but its not the cradle of the internet thats disputed is it?"
Yes, actually it is. If the claim is that the US originated the internet, then where it originated would be important. Is it relevant to the current discussion? I wouldn't say so, but rationality hasn't been rampant on the side of UN supporters, so maybe I should reconsider.
"As soon as ICANN do something that enough people disagree with, their authority will vanish."
They already have and it didn't.
"I didn't lose, I wasn't involved any more than you were"
That's funny, in another post you claimed to be more involved in this because you used to own and operate an ISP. Well which one is it? Oh wait, I get it now, you make up arguments as you go along. Got it.
I know what you meant to ask, but you had one too many negative.
More importantly, you need to google "states rights" and read the tenth amendment. So here you go.
"Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
An example of European thinking- say something that is widely believed to be true, but is in fact completely wrong.
From the official website of the communist party in the US
"Was the CPUSA Ever Banned by the U.S. Government?
The answer is both yes and no. The CP was never banned as a political party in name by the US government. However, the CP has had its leaders sent to prison for long terms for teaching Marxism-Leninism, has been declared illegal in more than a few states, and has been the target of numerous forms of official and unofficial government repression."
Individual states made it illegal, and those laws were unconstitutional. Stop making crap up.
Why are you so defensive about it? Did I hit a nerve there?
No one is impressed by your pathetic little toy masquerading as a multimedia machine. And despite what you claim, your friends were lying if they said they were.
More to the point though, a barebones box, with a 60 dollar video card and some extra memory will crush your xbox.
"Have you ever even tried to get a good (i.e. not acceptible) picture on a PC tv-out?"
Yes, and since I'm not a moran (you should really try to spell your insults correctly), it was easy. For you though, maybe not.
The truth is you wanted to crow about your little project, and while it may have impressed your loser friends a few years ago, computer hardware these days surpasses it in every way. If you believe otherwise, then I suggest you take your own advice and "Go read up".
Moran (thanks for the laugh there, at your expense)
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"But by using mesh networking, the vision is for children to interact while doing homework"
p ic.
Read it again Mr. Got-modded-insightful-but-should-have-been-off-to
HOMEwork. As in work DONE AT HOME.
Mods are stupid.
I think a large group of people would tell you the price of freedom is whatever it takes to keep the mean people from beating them up. (Yes you Lefty!)
Those people are fools of course, but that's what they think.
"News for nerds -- aren't nerds supposed to be in favor of logic and reason?"
So, just because I'm unclear on it, quote the part of your post where you expound on your point using logic and reason.
Because all I see are your opinions, which is funny because that's what you got pissy with the GP for.
Seriously, not trolling, I don't see where the logic is, but maybe I'm missing it.
"I think they're up to no good."
Then it's a good thing nobody cares what you think.
"When the facts are clearly against you simply redefine the subject."
And what would you call redefining phosphorus as a "chemical weapon"?
"In this case the US military lied over and over again saying that they only used it for smoke and marking."
Well then it shouldn't be too hard to find some quotes that support this statement. I'll wait patiently until you provide them.
"a new motherboard, CPU, memory and graphics card is a considerable amount"
Well, they have complete systems on Pricewatch for $250. You'd need more memory and a good graphics card, but even with a total price of around $500 I'd call that a very good deal.
"In what class are they being taught?"
English and reading classes in my school. Neither of which is "art".
"I studied them in literature class, and literature is without a doubt an art form."
First of all, no you didn't. You studied a few of them in literature class (which is an elective in my school) but most of them, if you got them in school, were probably presented in an English class like I said.
Others would say the reason these works are "literary masterpieces" is because of self appointed intellectuals making arbitrary decisions.
Others might also say that the current intellectuals are concerned because suddenly a whole group of outdated and irrelevant books, to which they have devoted their lives and or careers, are suddenly not important anymore. So by extension, the intellectuals aren't important either.
"Memorizing a few plot points and quotes from Faulkner does absolutely squat for learning anything whatsoever about these works of art."
While I agree, there is a point that you have not considered.
These works are not being taught in art class.
Sorry to say this, but that's the line. "4 legs..." isn't even close.
"This is exactly what I meant in one of my points. I voice an opinion that you don't agree with, and BAM, I get labeled as some kind of idiot or enemy."
When your opinion is idiotic (moral equivalence with China?) and you're openly antagonistic to the point of being factually incorrect, and THEN you fail to recognize when you've been refuted, and instead respond with more attacks, well I'd say you got what was coming to you.
Did it ever occur to you to actually LISTEN to the people you're claiming to understand? Do you have any idea how moronic you sound telling us you know this country better than we do?
"in order to hold people accountable for their actions, speed limits must be imposed."
What would you say if I told you that raising speed limits leads to fewer, yes FEWER accidents? Didn't know that did you?
So, I would suggest first, that you do some research. You haven't or else you'd know how much of your post is bunk.
Also, the surest way to lose credibiltiy is the "what about the children" argument.
"It is not an ideal system, but this way is better than the possibility of no speed limits and a bunch of idiot teenagers killing my innocent children while they speed down my neighborhood street."
There it goes, credibility out the window. Also I would ask, what kind of imbecile would let their kid play on a road with no speed limit? You do realize that is what you just said you'd do?
PS I'm not advocating for no speed limits, I'm just trying to educate people like you who haven't taken the time to divest themselves of their ignorance.
"Oh
Or, you're a fucking idiot, and they were trying to make sure you weren't affiliated with the communist party, and you're too dim to understand that they make you swear to insure that you're telling the truth.
"Still, way to fuck up making a perfectly valid point, right? :-)"
I didn't see a valid point anywhere.
The web is not the internet. CERN did not create the internet either.
So, unless your valid point was "TBL created a tool that helped spread the influence of the internet, with the assitance of CERN", then you've got no point at all.
Please stop trying to equate the fundament beginnings of the internet with the funtional equivalent of a table saw.
"So lets see who is babbling then (and remember even if you can't admit it, all the slashdot readers can still make their own judgement):"
Yes, we've decided you're a troll. Oh, and you're not bright enough to realize that if MANY people tell you you're incoherent, you're incoherent.
Or else, everyone is wrong, and you're as clear as day. Right, that must be it...
"This is no falacy, its the whole point of my position. Someone claims that because "we" paid for "arpanet" "we" get to govern the INTER-net.
And yet they didn't even pay for ARPANET. You didn't even pay the taxes that paid for the cradle of the internet, how can _you_ claim particular involvement the INTERNET above the involvment of anyone else in anyother part of the world."
Because we DID pay the taxes for the internet, but that's a red herring. Which is a logical fallacy, because the point was never that INDIVIDUAL AMERICANS paid for it, but rather the GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Asking your question is both irrelevant, and an obvious attempt to distract from the argument.
"If practical hands on developing and paying money and signing up users did not make me more involved, then living in the same country as the "cradle" (which is not even the baby) hardly makes them more involved."
Nope. All of those thing you claimed make you more involved, then tried to claim don't make you more involved, then tried to claim AGAIN that they DO make you more involved, exist because of the resources expended intitally by the UNITED STATES. Without that effort, you wouldn't have an internet to claim you were more involved in, then change your claim, then change it back.
By the way, Mr. Kerry, why aren't you legislating?
Listen, when you can keep your arguments straight, and when you stop relying on 4th grade rhetoric, which I continue to demonstrate to you is fallacious, then you will be ready to talk about this.
As an example, I'll leave you with this little gem (of raging ignorance)
"You are wrong in both directions
1) Obviously not, or it would have
2) It actually has to some degree, hence the creation of the Pacific Root a while back"
Here you claim that ICANN has never lost their authority, and in the very next point, claim they HAVE lost their authority.
Maybe I was being generous with 4th grade...
Drop the "K" stuff, and act like a real product.
It's really getting old.
"Were you paying taxes in the days of ARPANET?"
Logical fallacy
"I'm glad that you qualified "it" as the cradle of the internet, but its not the cradle of the internet thats disputed is it?"
Yes, actually it is. If the claim is that the US originated the internet, then where it originated would be important. Is it relevant to the current discussion? I wouldn't say so, but rationality hasn't been rampant on the side of UN supporters, so maybe I should reconsider.
"As soon as ICANN do something that enough people disagree with, their authority will vanish."
They already have and it didn't.
"I didn't lose, I wasn't involved any more than you were"
That's funny, in another post you claimed to be more involved in this because you used to own and operate an ISP. Well which one is it? Oh wait, I get it now, you make up arguments as you go along. Got it.
"And aren't those states not part of the US?"
No.
I know what you meant to ask, but you had one too many negative.
More importantly, you need to google "states rights" and read the tenth amendment. So here you go.
"Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Go now, you have been EDUCATED!!!
"What is this "it" that _you_ paid for?"
My taxes paid for ARPANET, which despite many attempts at revisionism, is still considered the cradle of the internet.
Nice try though.
Oh, and you lost, haha.
"Duh. I don't see how the free speech factors in."
Of course not. You're European.
I'm sorry, but you have made a common error, which I must correct.
The United States, as a country, has no hate speech laws.
Such laws are the province of local (mostly state) governments, and have never had their Constitutionality genuinely challenged.
Please don't generalize a local law into a nationwide ideal.
PS A federal hate crime amendment was defeated in the Senate about a month ago. So for all of you planning to mention that, don't.
An example of European thinking- say something that is widely believed to be true, but is in fact completely wrong.
From the official website of the communist party in the US
"Was the CPUSA Ever Banned by the U.S. Government?
The answer is both yes and no. The CP was never banned as a political party in name by the US government. However, the CP has had its leaders sent to prison for long terms for teaching Marxism-Leninism, has been declared illegal in more than a few states, and has been the target of numerous forms of official and unofficial government repression."
Individual states made it illegal, and those laws were unconstitutional. Stop making crap up.
"When people drive, they are also responsible for other people's lives, wether they realise it or not. Hence the speed limits."
This isn't a troll, so don;t take it that way, but do you have any idea why there are speed limits?
It's not for the reason you stated, nor are the real reasons any good. Look it up, you'll be surprised.
(hint, insurance companies, fuel efficiency)
Why are you so defensive about it? Did I hit a nerve there?
No one is impressed by your pathetic little toy masquerading as a multimedia machine. And despite what you claim, your friends were lying if they said they were.
More to the point though, a barebones box, with a 60 dollar video card and some extra memory will crush your xbox.
"Have you ever even tried to get a good (i.e. not acceptible) picture on a PC tv-out?"
Yes, and since I'm not a moran (you should really try to spell your insults correctly), it was easy. For you though, maybe not.
The truth is you wanted to crow about your little project, and while it may have impressed your loser friends a few years ago, computer hardware these days surpasses it in every way. If you believe otherwise, then I suggest you take your own advice and "Go read up".
Moran (thanks for the laugh there, at your expense)