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HAARP Amping It Up
n6kuy writes "HAARP (the High frequency Active Auroral Research Program) will be adding 132 more transmitters to bring their total number of transmitters to 180.
"When the massive planar array for ionospheric research is completed in 2007, it will include a total of 180 Continental Electronics D616G 10-kW combined transmitters, which the company is upgrading specifically for HAARP," the supplier (Continental) stated. The facility is near Gakona, Alaska.
The installation began in 1993 with 18 transmitters, expanded to 48 in 1998 and will grow to 180 transmitters. The final expansion will bring the HAARP array to full power, with ERP increasing from 84 dBW to about 96 dBW.
96dBW is about 4 billion Watts.
There is speculation that the project is really an "effort to develop ways to jam the electronics of incoming missiles from Russia and/or China".
4 billion Watts oughtta do it."
Well, then there's no place for that here. Not on Slashdot!
whazzat?
Or just f*cking everything that moves. We're going to have a lot of tired whales, and a very protein rich ocean.
I for one welcome our new whale masters
Wow big suprise billions of dollars spent on defense programs, if the US wasnt bent on pissing off everyone else in the world we could spend those billions on more productive things like alternative energy!
"effort to develop ways to jam the electronics of incoming missiles from Russia and/or China"
And Elvis is overseeing the project. I'm sure he hates those damn russian missiles... Oh wait, aren't they friendly now?
(The russians, not the missiles).
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Does it go up to 11?
HAARP is a United States defense project, one of the many defense measures against nuclear warfare. For more information, see this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP (Wikipedia.org)
The conspiracy theorists were right all along, as we're about to learn for ourselves very shortly.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
It's obviously a time travel experiment.
4 Gigawatts is enough to power 3 DeLoreans with power to spare.
They can use it to boost the new nintendo wifi coverage.
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
Art Bell, paging Art Bell...
Coding with assembly is like playing with Legos. Coding an application in assembly is like building a car with Legos.
It's overlords, dude ... overlords.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
You only need 1.21 Gigawatts.
FTFSpeculation: "it seems to me like it's some efffort to develop ways to jam the electronics of incoming missiles from Russia and/or China (I don't think it's an accident HAARP's initial funding came from Reagan's "Star Wars" initiative)"
/tinfoil (not aluminum foil) hat half-off
It could also be that the Star Wars Initiative was based on satellites being able to communicate, and communication in the ionosphere (with endemic electrical currents) was thought to be possibly very tricky, especially in latitudes where the northern lights are a visible manifestation of such.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
"Ionospheric heating cannot be performed while the sun illuminates the ionosphere for two reasons:
* Solar UV creates the ionospheric D-region, which absorbs the radio waves used for ionospheric heating.
* The solar flux overwhelms any effect of ionospheric heating. "
...how much RF energy it takes to damage a missile. But, by the time it flies over Alaska, the missile would be a ballistic warhead that has to do nothing more than detonate at a predetermined altitude. I imagine it could be made pretty simple, and therefore hard to kill.
But, four billion watts is a lot of power. The HAARP power page says that for every four watts of power transmitted, ten must be generated (40% efficiency). That's ten gigawatts, and the six diesel generators mentioned on the site produce only fifteen megawatts. Where does the extra power come from? Capacitors? If so, it would only be able to produce a single large pulse. That would be pretty useless against missiles (which wouldn't all come at once).
Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
When I was a wee lad, I had a very interesting, somewhat cranky physics professor. I had bought a several-milliwatt helium-neon laser tube via catalog. Due to a typo, they had claimed its power as something like 4MW, which I interpereted to mean it literally was four megawatts. I was ecstatic and couldn't wait to share my great good fortune with my prof.
I showed the prof the ad, and told him that when the laser came in, maybe we could try it out.
He repeated "4 megawatts? What are you going to do, shoot planes down?"
I said, "Nah, I'm a pacifist. Maybe we can zap one'a them light poles around the quad. Besides, it says so right there. 4MW."
He said "Ah, so it does. And it takes a 9-volt battery?"
I said, "It's got a transformer."
He clenched his lips together extremely tightly, and screwed his eyes shut. He looked briefly like he was rumbling. Then, he gained control over it and said, "Well, you'll have to bring that baby in, kid. I'll be right back..."
Years later, looking back, I'm pleased I was able to give a man his age the belly laugh I'm sure he went out in the hall to enjoy. It's the little pleasures that make life worthwhile...
Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
You've gotta love the unfounded conspiracy theories surrounding HAARP. Jamming the Chinese is the only plausible alternate explanation I've heard yet. If people are so convinced that something evil is going on up there, how about asking some of the grad students at University of Alaska? Everybody knows grad students will sing for a mere six pack or an offer to show their resume to your boss.
The array has so far produced localized auroras (go Google it yourself, I'm not your mother), which is one of the effects it was predicted to be able to achieve in addition to providing a theoretical way to improve radio reception, but I've heard some great crackpot theories. Most come from the tin-foil hat people who think it's a mind control device, but there's some lame stuff like destroying the ozone layer over only blue or only red states so Democrats/Republicans will all die of skin cancer or find oil sources for the big companies with government funding. The best, however, is the suggestion that it controls earthquakes. 'HAARP' + 'earthquake' is an entertaining google search. Iran, Sumatra, you name it. It was a secret government attack. Oh yeah, don't forget Hurricane Katrina. Obviously a creation of HAARP.
Well, apparently, it was merely a weather balloon.
Oh well, what the hell...
...if you change HAARP to AARP.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
A story of pathetic dweeb losers.
Jesus, like the last hurricane they made with this thing wasn't big enough?!
Cobra Commander is >THIS far away from carving his face on the Moon!
This motherfucker is going to the one to bring us into the "new age". Still think the unusual weather is from global warming? HAARP is the clumsy attempt to try to continue Nicola Tesla's brilliant work, all be it death rays and such. I'm sure he is rolling in his grave. Wether it is free energy or zapping an embassy from miles away, this is the one that will change the world forever. Bouncing along the ionosphere... Split the world in half like an apple. Oh well.. Thanks for the alternating current. At least we had some time to enjoy it.
ZZZAAAAPP!!!!!
PS Tesla is one of my idols and I don't want to sound as if he's to blame because he's not. An brilliant genious and wise mystic.
Bring on the informative and insightful posts.
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(yes, no affiliate code in that link...amazing)
I for one welcome our new nuke blaster, "cool fireworks" overlords
Rejoice in the sounds of HAARP presented by Art Bell, an avid HAM operator. Pretty weird sounds to be just for jamming signals. I think they're up to no good. 4 BILLION WATTS is a lot of power to be pumping into the ionosphere... http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/rm/artbell.download.a kamai.com/5022/clips/04/09/091904_what_is_haarp.rm
Pay no attention to the black vans coming down the street installing the mind control array.
There is no Matrix.
Go back to bed, America. You're government is is control again.
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
I think this is what they are really building, aReflex cannon. Zentraedi fleet watch out!
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
If they fire this thing are they going to black out the whole northern hemisphere? Canada will get Pissed :)
And all this time I thought HAARP was a piece of fiction created for the X-Men Legends video games...
From 1981 to 1983, during Ronald Reagan's years in the White House, there was a running joke based around the question of "How much energy does it take to ruin the environment?", due to Reagan's selection of James G. Watt as the Secretary of the Interior and Mr. Watt's compulsion to log, mine, drill, pave over, and to aggressively defile the US's natural resources for the almighty $$$....
Now for the Questions and Answers...
Q: How much energy does it take to ruin the environment?
A: One Watt
Q: Cost of 4 Billion Watts?
A: Priceless!!!
An interesting Article on James G. Watt can be found @:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt/
Or whoever (Coast to Coast AM) said HAARP is to control the weather. The government wants to create hurricanes I guess, er, ones that cause billions of dollars in damage and bankrupt Louisiana (????)
... in the movie-that-was-to-become-a-franchise-but-bombed, Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089901/. It had some great lines, admit it. Not as funny as The Destroyer series of books themselves, but hey, it worked (except for the dogs on the wire). No? Well, here's The Register's Google Earth: Black Helicopters entry for the real HAARP: (url:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/14/googl e_earth_competition_results/page9.html)
Still no love?
Try Rense.com's various conspiracy articles on HAARP: (url:http://www.google.com/search?as_q=HAARP&num=1 0&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&l r=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_ dt=i&as_sitesearch=rense.com&as_rights=&safe=image s)
Fun stuff, there!
Well in order to power this gizmo they're gonna have to run a helluva lotta generators, so all that natural gas under the north slope should come in handy. I'd hate to see the PG&E bill.
Back in around '94 I was working a satellite company and one of my friends there was working on solar panels for the Int'l space station. He got in big trouble because after he did his calculations, he sent out an email to everyone (all countries involved) saying the solar panels would have to be redesigned, because HAARP would f them up. Before that, the gov't was saying to other countries, "Don't worry about HAARP, it will only work directly overhead".. not only can it be used to affect weather, etc in any country, but it can take out satellites in orbit. The gov't got pissed at him because a bunch of countries pulled out after that. The IRS froze his assets. Scary stuff, I tells ya.
I personally am not into conspiracy theories, but I am concerned about the potential negative effects of this technology. From what I understand the HAARP heats the ionosphere allowing the scientists to manipulate it. My biggest concern is how this meddling impacts the global (not just local) ionosphere. Also what will be the effect on the global biosphere? The ionosphere protects the organisms of Earth from the harmful radiation of the sun; the life of planet earth is adapted to the current ionosphere, do we really want to carry out experiments on the ionosphere when we cannot even imagine how they will affect life on the planet? I am not against research or progress, but blazing blind into something that has the potential to produce huge global problems is not something I would recommend or support. If we degrade or destroy the ionosphere (without understanding the full consequences of our experiments), how will we recreate or fix it?
...is "albeit", dickweed.
There is speculation that it could cause cascade failure of our ionosphere too.
Just to make sure that everybody is up to speed on that stated power, Let me Clarify something about antenna radiation. What was quoted was 4 billion watts ERP. The term ERP means Effective Radiated Power compared to that of a simple dipole antenna. This is a sort of measure of power density, not absolute power. Power stated as ERP is a measure of the power radiated and how narrow the radiation beam is. High ERP power is very much like looking at a narrow laser beam from a great distance. The beam looks bright, so if you think that the light is coming from a source that is shining in all directions, then it is as if the light source is shining with megawatts of power. Although the beam is bright, it is very narrow in extent, thus the real power radiated is small. For antennas, the beam width is proportional to a measure called antenna Gain. Large arrays of antennas like the HAARP antenna farm have VERY high gains, thus very directional radiation beams. IT is more likely that HAARP antenna array has a collective gain near 1000, thus the real power is more like 4 megawatts, not gigawatts (something that can be supplied by on base generators).
Megawatts of RF power is big, but not big enough to knock down ICBMs. The Idea with HAARP is to use the RF power to heat the Ionosphere in the northern latitudes where there are enormous currents induced by the Aurora. The power sloshing around in the upper Ionosphere is of the order of Terawatts. They hope to modulate these rivers of currents by locally heating small spots in the ionosphere plasma, thus radiating gigawatts of power at ultra low frequencies ( 1 to 100 Hz)... a very cool Mad scientist Idea... Very evil..
DR. Null
... and it's no great conspiracy. Of course it's got goey government funding, most cool research does. But you can forget about the wild nuclear weather balloons. They've actually got some good stuff going on. It's just a bunch of guys in their tshirts checking out the atmosphere with some nice antennas, accompanied by the occasional requisite military officer. Main thing I remember the guys getting at was the effect of the aurora on communications and tracking (military and otherwise). So drop the raised eyebrows.
Post a link to a Wikipedia article.
Post the full article.
Step 1,2,3,4 profit.
Cowboy Neal.
Good tom clancy stuff, but the tech is still too far off for it to only be 2010.:(
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Hey .. anything that keeps Azathoth and his buddies off the planet (or quietly asleep under the ocean) is a GOOD THING!
--- This meme is memory intensive
from Senator Ted Stephens, just as the proposed Alaskan "Bridge To Nowhere" happens to be for connecting a small sparsely populated island to the mainland of Alaska that happens to cost many millions of dollars.
I would be more worried about how much this expensive science project costs our federal budget than its potential capabilities militarily (which probably is nil anyways).
As a world of humans we are totally "Lost" hell bent on destruction.
Are entire civilization, religion, politics, economic, social structure are based on fallacies.
beliefs create behaviors
4 billion watts and that's it? Sheesh. I should put these people in touch with my wife. You should see the power she brings when she HAARPs on me after an all-night gaming session. Those transmitters pale in comparison. Just get a few female spouses hooked together and you could power the planet.
There is an absolutely giant blacked-out rectangle a short distance from the HAARP array if you look at Google Maps. Virtual Earth doesn't seem to have photos of that area that are high-res enough to see anything useful.
Even if it's not related, I'm really curious what is so big that needs to be kept secret.
"...always new atoms but always doing the same dance, remembering what the dance was yesterday." -Richard Feynman
Most conspiracy theorists actually claim the HAARP is a global scale weather modification device that can be used to remote control hurricanes or at least divert rain clouds from your neighbour country, so they die of drought. If that is so, then HAARP is a crime against mankind and crime against peace under the little-known 1979 UN treaty on comprehensive ban of geophyisical warfare.
Other tin-foil people claim HAARP waves can be used to read or reprogram a person's mind remotely and possibly turn people into "manchurian candidates".
Still others claim it is a newer mightier version of the "Tesla's tower" deathray emitter, which can be used to zap remote places in an invisible place. They came the 1908 Tunguska explosion event was not an asteroid, but Tesla experimenting with the death-ray.
I think we should tell the grizzly how HAARP threatens their natural habitat and they would gladly come and chop up the crew, solving the problem forever.
Economics is supply/demand and production capacity vs consumption capacity.
If there is TOO MUCH production for too little profits, and not enough consumption....
what do you do?
Destroy capitol so that creates demand for more goods because it requires construction of new goodies.
Sounds cruel, but thats the truth, if ever product was perfect in v1.0 and never deteriorated or broke down
or faded color, or 'died', production would grind to a steady tiny trickly once everyone had everything.
Hence, real life and dna, those products die eventually, so they constantly need consumtion to create new ones.
We need to expand outside the plant to really grow the economy at a 100fold speed.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
didn't you hear? laughing is now "lol" rofl is now "rifk" great is now "gr8" and overlords is now "masters".... rifk.
Except that it was waiting so long for us to become sentient
intelligent AND responsible that its batteries ran out and it
fell over.
...can an intelligent republic like the USA become ? To the european that I am, this sounds and looks ridiculous. Is there no intelligent ( probably a Democrat ) American politician who can stand up and underscore the ridiculous, resource-wasting character of this project ?
Sheesh.
>>my sig is better than yours, forcibly
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
My closest friend lives in Palmer, Alaska. When they crank this thing up it SERIOUSLY starts to mess with ppl's heads. People begin to act strangely. I am sure expanding this project isn't cheered near Anchorage.
The conspiracy theorists think that HAARP is a project by the government to control the weather and use the weather as instruments of mass destruction. A weather weapon..
The Technomancer
"Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active."-
At last a glimmer of intellect in here.
Could the moderators pleassssssssssse focus more on the informative and insightful stuff, and even if by my anonymous colleagues than the jokes we have seen 10 times per item already?
Yes?
Thanks.
You and your pathetic band are no match for my fully operational HAARP array!!
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
+5 Informative. It's just an expensive non-peer-reviewed project, which at least manages to produce some amount of useful data, but nowhere near enough to justify the cost (in dollars, that is. the environmental cost is really small).
As someone whose professional application domain includes RADAR, I verify that HF RADAR is a currently deployed and advancing technology. Over the horizon RADAR's, which are on the HF band, such as the Upgraded Early Warning RADAR, are alive and well. Do a search for "UEWR" at globalsecurity.org.
Doug Jensen
>>There is speculation that the project is really an "effort to develop ways to jam the electronics of incoming missiles from Russia and/or China"
Bush (after succeful missile attack): Why didn't my 4 jigga watt nukular deterrent stop the bad guys?
Scientist: well... they err... avoided flying high over Alaska.
Bush: Damn those sneaky commies.
This project was funded and subsequently faked by a large corporation that just took the money but never developed anything. The whole plot was uncovered by a secret government clandestine group led by their operative Remo Williams who had been recruited while he was a NYPD Officer. He was trained by a little Korean guy that looked like Joel Grey.
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, For you are crunchy and go well with ketchup.
Anyone else here play X-Men Legends?
Perhaps they're trying to contain Magneto.
The US Army: promoting democracy through unquestioned obedience
It is vital for the US military to talk to its submerged nuclear ballistic missile submarines, "boomers" (you'd forgotten about them hadn't you :-) Yes, they are still out there patrolling and for obvious reasons have to stay submerged. A traditional method is via radio at VLF and ELF frequencies as these can penetrate even seawater to useful depths. But antennae at these frequencies are ackwardly long (think miles not feet), and copper wire that long is a problem resistively speaking. But the Soviets discovered that HF beamed into the ionesphere can effectively modulate ionised particles at ELF frequencies. I don't recall the physics as that was someone else's job. So, use ionospheric modulation to generate ELF signals to talk with deployed submerged submarines. Cool, eh? Think this is a crock? Well this tells you the principles are being studied using HAARP. And this tells you it's for talking to boomers.
And this is the HAARP site.
The jamming theory is useless. You get much better mileage using directed jamming on a missile or by taking out the station communicating with it. Occam's razor, people.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
"I don't ever wanna see you standing in the line of fire...you're the one who has to come to grips with your own desire..." Heh, I still get that song stuck in my head sometimes.
I thought it was a great movie. It's a shame it never took off (unless you count the really bad one-shot TV pilot).
I bet HAARP is now on some standardized test for schizophrenia.
HAARP is:
a) A type of musical instrument.
b) An atmospheric research station.
c) The source of the voices in my head.
d) Don't know.
Bad example. With the ammount spent on defense, alternative energy is something totally unneeded, since the defense projects can be easily redirected to offense projects to control as much of the "traditional energy" sources we need.
Perhaps if you had said cures for canser you would have made a stronger case. Or perhaps you were being intentionally ironic?
Yeah, and Area 51 is going to use one of their alien space crafts to test the defense system... I sure hope Elvis is ready for it.
Working to make this world a darker place...
Billion as in 1000 000 000? You see, I'm European, you insensitive clod!
BTW, imagine a Beowulf cluster of HAARPs... Could it jam the electronics of a Beowulf cluster of Russian and Chinese nukes?
Sooo....whose wall socket is this stuff plugged into?
Don't ya hate it when the correct spelling of your favorite screen name is taken?
Okay. .
During the big world wars, generals learned that they needed to march troops across bridges with their footfalls out of phase with each other. It was found that if the soldiers marched in perfect time with one another, the energy from a few thousand stomping feet would enter the bridge structure and set it to vibrating. A standing wave was able then to build until the bridge shook itself apart and collapsed. This isn't 'mystery school' stuff. It's basic, "Let's not kill our troops and destroy our bridges while marching across them," applied science.
Take the thought a step further. .
"The Walls of Jericho came tumbling down."
Some say, 'Divinely timed Earthquake'. Others say, 'Wrath of God'. I say, 'Maybe a standing waveform deliberately created by marching the army around the city for long enough to knock it down.' --Yeah it takes some creative editing of the biblical account to consider it, but hey, it's not like the bible hasn't been severely distorted over two thousand years of manipulative re-writes, (from the mind-control, social-engineering project heavily influenced by the Roman secret services it was originally, that is).
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Okay. Back to reality. .
Experiment: "You put a fish in a tank and mount a speaker to the side of the tank. Over the speaker, you emit a sub-sonic beat. Tune the beat to match the beating of the fish's heart and let the two beats stay in sync for a while. Then slowly start to turn down the frequency on the speaker and observe as the fish's heart also slows. Gradually reduce the frequency until the fish's heart stops altogether, killing the fish.
Hm.
Okay. So this HAARP thing. .
Weather control? I don't think so. --The weather is messed up enough on it's own these days, and you can make a lot more money selling weapons to the people you want killing each other than you can by drying up their rice paddies. (Remember, the Carlyle Groups of the world don't own stocks in farming ventures. They sell guns.) --Of course, in an armchair-tactician, war-book reading, pipe-smoking, Napoleonic-War-Geek kind of way, a weather control weapon makes a lot of sense. However, in the real world of the Military Industrial Complex, where winning wars and playing Risk are only cursory concerns on the list of objectives, (all nations already being under one master and the illusion of politics being simply a distraction and misery engine), weather control is sort of pointless. --Simply an idea to toss out to the New Age crazies who can be counted upon to make everybody cough awkwardly and look the other way for fear of being associated with conspiracy theory.
What makes more sense is using the HAARP array to pump energy into a section of the ionosphere so that you create a standing wave in the medium of the ionosphere, which will vibrate at the same frequency as human brain wave patterns. . . (Like fish hearts, different states of awareness and feelings can be created in people through such EM manipulation.)
If you set up another couple of arrays in Europe and around the world, (which do indeed exist), performing the same task, suddenly you have the ability to create gridworks of standing wave interference patterns which cover the planet and which can be manipulated and tuned with accuracy, turning the Ionosphere into a sort of spherical television screen.
--You know those days when everybody in your town is feeling buzzed out and crazy and you blame it on the barometer, or the full moon,
Its all starting to make sense....
:-)
Roswell..... HAARP took down the UFO
JFK..... HAARP controlled the "magic" bullett
Michael Jackson..... sleeps under a HAARP array
Bird Flu..... virus mutation caused by HAARP
Huricane Katrina.... Bush ordered that one up from HAARP to line the oil & constructions companies pockets (and it was the only way to keep the Saints from winning the SuperBowl!)
France Riots.... HAARP started those too! (but it was all a high pressure sales pitch from the Bush admin trying to sell them their own HAARP array)
Bermuda Triangle..... HAARP test fire zone!
and Elvis.... he's up in Alaska running the whole thing!
HAARP is responsible for all of it!!!!
you wish, dumb cunt!!
If I kill people by burning them to death or blasting them to pieces, which one is better?
Silly argument. Dead is dead.
Steve
P.S. spare me the extreme tangents about "Well, would you like to die slowly by method X or Y?"
A bomb is a bomb is a bomb. One way or another, within 10 minutes you will be dead.
A work that expires before its copyright never enters the public domain and thus enjoys eternal copyright protection.
I believe that the article on HAARP and the aurora iamlucky13 referred to was published in the journal Nature.
I first heard about all of the conspiracy theories surrounding HAARP when I was studying physics in graduate school. When I took a research trip up to Alaska, I asked my apartment building manager if she could take care of my plants. She totally freaked out because she had heard about this evil HAARP thing the U.S. government had hidden in the Alaskan wilderness.
All of the conspiracy theories surrounding HAARP are a case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. The physics behind this project is complicated and not understood by your average Joe. People understand just enough of it to realize how little they actually know, and that scares them. After my apartment manager told me about HAARP, I checked out a few of the web sites claiming to tell the truth about HAARP. Some of these "experts" on HAARP claimed that because they had Ph.D.s they were qualified to judge the merits and true purpose of HAARP. These people probably got their "degree" by responding to an e-mail from some school in Nigeria that will give you a diploma based upon your life experience if you send $500. It never fails to surprise me how many naive people out there will believe anyone who claims to have a Ph.D. in something or will believe anything they read on the Internet. Nerds are supposed to know better!
These conspiracy theories aren't just ridiculous because of their faulty and inaccurate science. A major conspiracy to cover up a secret and illegal military experiment implies that the leaders of the U.S government are organized enough to restrict the release of information and coordinate their cover stories and propaganda. Our government couldn't properly coordinate the relief efforts for the Hurricane Katrina disaster. Does anyone out there honestly think our government is organized enough to orchestrate a massive cover up for the development of an evil death ray?
Then again, why should anyone believe what I have to say? I know people involved with HAARP and I have a Ph.D. in physics so I'm just another evil genius out to destroy the world. People like Art Bell who seriously believe that there is a conspiracy would probably think that I am a part of it and lying about everthing. I wish I was part of the conspiracy so I could go take that alien space ship they have hidden at Area 51 and leave the planet as soon as possible. I sure don't like the way our world is heading.
Did you know that some of Nicola Tesla's work is still classified by the US government? Near as I can tell, it's because it's related to this work. Pretty cool if you ask me since the guy died 50 years ago!
- Mike
Once you've lost your temper, you've lost the argument - Me
Troops collapsing bridges by marching in time is a myth, or at best a weak excuse for a poorly constructed bridge.
What makes more sense is using the HAARP array to pump energy into a section of the ionosphere so that you create a standing wave in the medium of the ionosphere, which will vibrate at the same frequency as human brain wave patterns
Awesome! So if I stick a tuning fork that resonates at the brain wave pattern frequency up my butt while wearing a tinfoil hat (NOT aluminum!) I'll be safe right?
On less sarcastic note (ha ha), where did you come up with the fairy tale about killing fish with sub-sonic sound waves? a) Fish hearts beat on average between 60 and 240 BPM. Thats would be 60Hz-240Hz, which is easily within the "sonic" range of frequencies. b) How do you make the leap from "sub-sonic" audio waves to VHF EM radio waves?
Coding with assembly is like playing with Legos. Coding an application in assembly is like building a car with Legos.
Speculation? No really... shouldn't this be posted on Hack-a-day? It could probably be put along with those wireless hacks (you know, same place you can find plans for tx/rx antenna mods)
A myth? Perhaps. I was quoting from an old high school science class.
The general idea under discussion at the time was that all objects, not just guitar strings, have a natural frequency at which they will vibrate when buffeted by wave forms of that frequency. The general point I was trying to illustrate holds even if the example itself is fictional.
Awesome! So if I stick a tuning fork that resonates at the brain wave pattern frequency up my butt while wearing a tinfoil hat (NOT aluminum!) I'll be safe right?
Careful. Ridicule is what people use when they do not wish to address areas they are frightened of.
On less sarcastic note (ha ha), where did you come up with the fairy tale about killing fish with sub-sonic sound waves? a) Fish hearts beat on average between 60 and 240 BPM. Thats would be 60Hz-240Hz, which is easily within the "sonic" range of frequencies. b) How do you make the leap from "sub-sonic" audio waves to VHF EM radio waves?
Modulation of high frequencies can be used to emulate lower frequencies. This is how a microwave emitter, like a cell phone, can have an effect on the human brain, which responds to much lower frequencies.
In any case, as per the fish example, I was quoting from memory; an article I read some years ago. While I clearly don't recall the specifics, I do know that it wasn't a children's story. If the general figures are off, the idea is still an interesting one, don't you think?
Here's an article I clipped a couple of years back which is the nearest thing I could find to the fish story. . . (I'm afraid the link, http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=sci enceNews&storyID=3401200 is a couple of years old and no longer active.)
Many of those involved in anti ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) Trident boomer communications feel that one major reason that the Navy SNCC (Strategic Nuclear Command Control) pulled the plug on ELF was that HAARP could handle the wake up call communication to the deeper than 150 metre SBM platforms.
The ELF sites in Wisconsin and upper Michigan were shut down awhile back.
And I am sure there is some interesting plasma radiation studies that happen also.
peace,
And all that help from the US to Pakistan? That's just a team looking for Osama's body.
I18N == Intergalacticization
If white phosphorus is a chemical weapon (the U.S. has always disagreed with that definition, even under Democratic Presidents), and Iraq had tons of it, then we DID find WMDs in Iraq!
Imagine a HARP playing at 4+GHz... Such "harping" frequencies in a concert would be... disconcerting... But, then Lord George's angels in heaven probably need help from down here the way Spock's brother acted as an emmisary to get "god" a starship...
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out at night...
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McCoy: My god.. Dear lord... What would happen if somebody uses this thing where life already EXISTS?
Spock: It would destroy such life in favor of its new MATRIX.
McCoy: It's new MATRIX???...
Well I wonder...what would happen if... Say, are there "portable" version of these gizmos? I mean, imagine if these could be randomly dropped off in various places across different time zones. Then, if they were set off as each terminator/night time has been about 2-4 hours old...
I am wondering if these could be used in the "take the war to the enemy before they come to us..." strategem. If these could be dropped by commerical airliners as tubes (say, a CIA mission deployed from customized COMAIR craft), then launched to specific altitudes from remote or time delayed command, then these things could probably be triggered when certain launch profiles/parameters are sensed. Maybe they could be intended keep China's "just-launched" missiles from reaching high orbit and arming. Of course, where they fall, and whether they crash or dispers as dirty bombs probably isn't on God's, umm, George's list of concerns....
I imagine a new project will be a modified form of the filaments dropped over various nations'/targets' power grids before a softening-up bomb run knocked out remote radar posts...
Well-funded program...
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Imagine if Dr. Wyatt ERP (Earp) had even a FRACTION of this power in his gun. Oklahoma wouldn't be OK. And anyone shot in the gut by this gun would be in a state of NB... nobellium... Better stop those DeLoreans and make sure Earp isn't given a ray gun... might change the tech timeline...
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Seriously, ever hear of the "flying crowbars" proposal? How about KEW2.5? (I actually worked on that one).
Still, the USA is not the only country with nukes (we're just the only ones who've been provoked to the point of using them.... so far....) so I found your post interesting and informative.
Thanks!
Chemical weapons - by definition - specifically aim to target the biology of mammals. Mustard gas, chorine, et al do a great job at messing people up, but will barely blemish the finish of the car they're driving in. On the other hand, WP works wonders at messing up both man and the works of man, just like any other explosive and/or combustible tool of war.
Luke, help me take this mask off
SO you have no qualms against chemical or biological weapons then I gather. I also suppose you have no problem with torture either. Dead is dead at least when you torture people you keep them alive right?
Oh before I forget. You do realize that you don't actually have to invade other countries, occupy them and kill the people who don't want you there right? You realize that right? You don't have to kill people, it's strange but it's true. I hear God said something like that but I might be wrong. Maybe you should check with your local holy man or maybe even your mom.
evil is as evil does
Messed up in the head is using propagandic terms like, "Insurgents" with a straight face.
Iraq is not an issue of Good Iraqis being terrorized by Bad Iraqis, and the Good Americans coming to the rescue.
Iraq is about creating scenarios where killing and chaos and fear are the main elements of the reigning paradigm. This is done so that a small group of people in the West can collect obscene amounts of wealth and power. The emotionally charged and over-simple arguments used to trick the average civilian into going along with this scheme require carefully crafted and marketed words like, "Insurgents" and "Terrorists", etc.
Find me one piece of reputable, published research supporting the ability of radio waves to generate earthquakes, hurricanes, or mind control.
First of all, it is nobody else's responsibility to pull you out of ignorance. If you want to stay in the dark, that's your choice. Any information another shares with you is a gift. If you want to dispute shared knowledge, or laugh at it, or thoughtlessly quote idiotic sayings from endless television court dramas which declare things about the Burden Of Proof as though they apply to your own growth as a human, then that is also your choice and you will no doubt stay blind. --And probably continue to use terms like, "Insurgent" and really mean it.
Secondly, the fact that you clearly haven't done any of your own searching on the subject of EM and the human brain is probably why you include hurricanes in your list of possibilities. Earthquakes are only marginally less silly.
Third. . .
Here is some of the information you requested:
Robert O. Becker wrote an excellent book on the subject. Here is an excerpt from that book I have taken the liberty of putting on-line. . . One mechanic by which EM can affect brain function
Also a few tidbits from the regular news sources. . .
Energy field used to cause temporary blindness (Scroll down to the 5th paragraph and consider what is said there. The rest of the article is somewhat interesting as well.)
Radio signals for the next generation of mobile phone services can cause headaches and nausea, according to a survey conducted by three Dutch ministries on the impact of tomorrow's data networks on health.
The NYT article I clipped expired, but I uploaded the story and a copule of graphics here.
This is just a smattering of references. There are hundreds more out there. If you are interested in this stuff, and you really want to know the answers to the questions you ask, all I can say is, "GO LOOK!" It takes work, but in the end, you are the one who benefits.
Good luck!
-FL
>SO you have no qualms against chemical or biological weapons then I gather.
/is/ necessary to invade other countries, occupy them, and kill people who don't want you there, I was not attempting to debate or discuss when such options might or might not be necessary. I am merely asserting that it is rather silly to debate over what is the good and proper way to kill someone in war. It's usually just a way for people to make themselves feel a little better about killing people.
It depends on how effective they are. If the end result is similar to, say, a high explosive shell or, say, a nuclear blast, then I don't really see what the difference is. Weapons that result in prelonged suffering and agony, say, longer then maybe 10 minutes or so might give me pause, but otherwise, no, I have no qualms. I mean, if I had to choose between death by some chemical means that put me to sleep or death by nuclear vaporization or blasted into small pieces with high explosives, I do believe I'd choose the chemical means. If I had to choose between taking a bullet in the chest and dying over the course of ten or so minutes with a sucking chest wound as I drowned in my own blood vs. sufficating over the same time period as some chemical shut down my nervous system I'd say either option about equally sucked.
>I also suppose you have no problem with torture either. Dead is dead at least when you torture people you keep them alive right?
Straw man. I have said nothing about torture.
>Oh before I forget. You do realize that you don't actually have to invade other countries, occupy them and kill the people who don't
>want you there right? You realize that right? You don't have to kill people, it's strange but it's true.
Aside from the fact that sometimes it
>I hear God said something like that
>but I might be wrong. Maybe you should check with your local holy man or maybe even your mom.
I checked with my local holy man and my Mom and they both said I was right.
Steve
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