An admirable gesture, but the surveillance bill eventually passed near unanimously, 160-1
The South Korean National Assembly has 300 seats, 7 of which are vacant, so 293 votes available I assume.
It was not "uninamous"; in the sense that it had overwhelming support. It had 54%.
The article appears to state that the 38 members who filibustered abstained. I am not sure why they didn't vote no?? I know next to nothing about south korean's political system.
But that's at LEAST 39 against the bill.
And where were the other hundred votes? Did after the long filibuster they all just left? And the government in power (with 157 seats, just whip the party to sit through until it was passed, along with a few independents? of which there are 6)
By the time the vote came to pass was it just the yes-block left in the room, and the 38 guys abstaining?
In any case, framing it as 160-1 is lying with statistics.:)
I expect he could still be found. That's what makes it google-fu after all.
We know for sure that the keywords on his name / address have been de-linked from any results related to his arrest. (A name we don't know anyway, so we can't use it to search.)
It also possible that any pages containing his name related to the arrest have been removed from the index entirely, so that they can't be found with *any* keywords... I'm not sure if Google goes that far?!
We do know which court and which judge for this ruling. We know approximately when the original crime took place (looks like3-4 years ago). We know roughly the crime committed (related to child porn and prositution) and that he was fined 500,000 yen. Odds are we can search the court records / arrest records based on that criteria and find him. (Might have to speak Japanese though.)...
Posted May 2013, relating to an incident that had happen several months prior.
"In the Adachi case, three men were arrested by the Metropolitan Police Department on suspicion of violating the law prohibiting child prostitution and child pornography. All three had their sentences finalized, with each given a 500,000 yen fine."
"Last December, a young, nude girl appeared on some screens and said she was being held against her will in a condominium building in Adachi Ward, Tokyo and asked for help. [... ] The recent arrest of three men in Tokyo for running an illegal live chat room that promoted child prostitution and illegal imagery gave insights on how they prey on young girls and how little they had to spend to set it up."
I think from here we can start looking at arrest records / court records in Tokyo... assuming they are public.
Get the names of the 3 men, and find out if they've been expunged from Google, and/or try to link them to this current right-to-be-forgotton case via court records.
I'm not going to bother trying, For starters I don't speak Japanese; which I'd expect all official records to be in. But I think its doable.
Yes and no. Yes that's an extreme case, and it should be fixed.
But solving that still doesn't really get at the root problem. The guy peeing on a tree in the park shouldn't have that incident as the first hit on his name 10 years from now regardless of whether he's registered as a 'sex offender' over it or not.
Plus that aside there is always going to innumerable edge cases that won't get fixed. Many crimes include a wide range of actions. Aggravated assault and battery can be that you gave someone a beating or it can be squirting mustard on someone's shirt.
If he gets off with having to change his name... meh. He did far worse to his victims.
I don't entirely disagree with you. Maybe this particular case is infamous and newsworthy enough that it should stick around longer.
But you can be charged with sex crimes for peeing on a tree in the woods too; nobody is scarred for life over that. And they are in much the same boat.
The crime is reported. There's an article about in the paper. That's the end of it.
Except that its not the end of it. If that actually were the end of it, that would be fine. That's the point.
We talk about people not doing posting stupid things on Facebook,
Yup we do. But for the most part you can remove stupid stuff you posted to facebook, and it doesn't really linger forever there. Most people who get screwed over by stupid stuff they posted to facebook are doing so in the here and now, not years later.
Comparing the "foremost perpetrators of organized crime in the UK in the 50s" to a "rando who got convicted of something once 10 years ago that nobody would even remember if google didn't keep throwing it up on the first page of results when you looked for his name"
I'm pretty sure the situation and infamy levels aren't exactly comparable there. But I see you've decided to you are going to try anyway. Bravo.
Yes, and I'd actually meant to raise that as a possible work around.
But really, should you really have to change such a fundamental part of your own identity. It feels like a 'hack' at best rather than a 'solution'.
And what if google et al simply incorporate those changes into the index, so a search for Mr. X, also returns Mr. Y., and the first result is a "Did you mean Mr Y because Mr X changed his name". Or what if the next generation is facial recognition search... so you now you have to undergo surgery to change your face too?
I'd like to think we can come up with a better solution.
The problem with letting people have this right to be forgotten is that it starts a censorship and once you start something like that, even for good intentions with one person, it can be misused.
The problem with not letting people have this right is that individuals are already being harmed.
If a person has been found guilty in a court of law, like the person in this case has, well then that's just too bad. Probably shouldn't have done the crime. Yes it will make life more difficult
The biggest problem with this attitude is that if he's going to be punished for his whole life, then he might as well be a criminal. What is the point of turning his life around and being a good law abiding citizen if your attitude towards him is: "too bad",
He can't move start over somewhere else; and even the passage of time won't ever leave it behind. 30 years ago, nobody would find out about a crime you did unless it was an international spectacle unless they went back to your country, perhaps even your region within that country and dug around in old newspapers. Now its the first hit on google, around the world, forever. At least until someone else with the same name does something more recently and more heinous. If you have an obscure name, you'll be immortalized in a way that just doesn't
So, "too bad, so sad" isn't a solution.
I agree with you that right to be forgotten laws aren't the solution either, they are clumsy and they resemble censorship.
I'd rather see search engines evolve to prune 'old news' and old search results more intelligently. And then right to be forgotten might not be necessary.
For example, by default searches for X don't return any "non-local news" or "blogs" or "twitter" that are more than 3 years old. If you want to look for "news" from New Hampshire from 2005 you need to specify that in the search.
Major events, politics, and things that are of historical significance etc are excempt. But John Unusual-name Doe was arrested for indecent exposure after getting drunk and failing to pull his pants up before leaving a restroom appearing in some podunk local news should not be still be the first hit for that guys name 10 years later 2 continents away.
It should be findable, but it should be a couple "layers" deep. Humans are largely "out-of-sight out-of-mind". We don't need to have our names stricken from old news papers and old court records to get our lives back because while those old news papers and records still exist, and can be read by anyone at anytime, nobody actually bothers unless its important.
But google won't *let* us forget, because it keep throwing htem up in our face, on that search query... until something more news worthy with those terms finally happens.
The reason why Linux gaming has grown so much on Steam is because Valve foresaw the loss of the AAA market to the publishers' own services and turned it's attention to the small, indie market that used to be at home on the likes of Desura and ShinyLoot.
The publishers own services... uplay and origin are competitors... but not really a threat. Before uplay and origin Ubi and EA still didn't reliably release on steam, they just stuck with tradition discs+DRM for their biggest titles.
The release of uplay and origin has meant a bit of a pullback of titles from steam from those publishers, and a bit more competition in the market, but its not really a threat to Steam's existence.
Valve's support for Linux and steamos etc is hedge against Apple and Microsoft going to a walled garden model and locking them out. (I don't see either going there overnight, but each is taking baby steps and merely the credible possibility of a mass exodus to Linux (steamOS) if Microsoft or Apple turn the screws too far may them from crossing the line. (It doesn't have to become impossible to "sideload" titles; it just has to become enough of a "second class citizen" that they get starved out.)
I had no idea who this guy was. Now I do. May I introduce you to the Streisand Effect?
Do you really?
Or did you, in your rush to smugly "introduce" the Streisand Effect (which hardly needs an introudction, as it is practically a meme here), fail to realize that you actually don't know who this guy is.
His name's not mentioned in the summary. Its not mentioned in the article. Its not mentioned in the article the article is linked to.
I mean sure, I expect if you put on your detective's hat and went looking for it specifically you would find it, but if you have to use google-fu just to find out that's not really the Streisand effect at all.
Problem solved. And as an added bonus, you get a nice tax boost.
More like one problem solved, a new one created. By most reasonable metrics the new problems are smaller than the old one, so it's a net gain for society; but still hardly "problem solved".
There are 2 parts to this; and I'm not sure which applies, or perhaps both:
If 90% number applies only to VPN Proxy services for the purposes you mention; to simply give you 1 hop bridge past whatever nonsense your ISP is doing and to cheese off advertisers and region restricting geolocates and so forth that's one thing.
But
If if the 90% number also includes actual SSL VPNs protecting remote access to private networks, (or perhaps SSL VPN remote access to YOUR network), that's pretty horrifying.
Maybe. Had Ghandi simply been executed (ie martyred) that might have catalyzed change as well; although the transition would have been very, very, different.
The Linux foundation holds copyright to large parts of the kernel, but not all of it. Individuals can hold copyright to their contributions. And SFC by the sounds of it also holds copyright to some parts.
Any copyright holder could theoretically have standing in a lawsuit for GPL violation; and bring a lawsuit. The linux foundation is just one party of many who could have standing in a lawsuit.
And as you said, NONE of them could unilaterally alter the license; they'd either need permission from all other copyright holders, or they'd need to excise those holders contributions and rewrite that functionality.
Those who think the Pen is mightier than the Sword are about to learn the unpoetic truth that a person with only a pen needs to have some really good friends with swords.
The phrase means that in the course of history that ideas are a more powerful force for change than weapons.
Ghandi's "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." means the same thing.
The person with a "pen" may die. But his ideas may ultimately change the world, despite the attempt by those with "swords" to prevent it.
And no it wasn't bullshit but thanks for your concern.
Then you have dodgy hardware, or you are doing something you aren't admitting. One or the other. The devices simply do not BSOD 3 times a week out of the box, not even running pale moon, unless it is defective.
Send it in for warranty.
Pizza apps are a staple of any app ecosystem
Staple or not they are irrelevant nonsense. The Windows app store does have lots of BIG gaping holes... many banks don't have a windows phone app. Many peripherals don't either... from Lego Mindstorms to Harmony Remotes, to communications stuff like RingCentral.
But Pizza? Give me a break. You can still order a pizza on your surface via the website. That's a minor inconvenience at best. Me, I find it MUCH faster to just phone it in.
If you run a grocery store and you put X on the left in one store, and on the right in another, and you record that it sells better when on the left, and then change all your stores, that's analytics too. Its not "spying", its not a weasel word for spying.
There are all kinds of ways one can do analytics without "spying". Hell, serving have your web visitors one ad, and half the other and seeing which has a better sales coversion rate, that's analytics too.
You also have to consider the number of times that one spare battery is insufficient, but 4 or 5 recharges is sufficient. That's very rare for me, but YMMV.
If you need 5 chargers (5 x ~3000mah) = 15,000 then buy a 20,000 mah pack and you are good. Or buy a 40,000 mah pack. Or go solar.
I'm not really seeing the problem that you are claiming isn't solved.
Too many people left things behind when it happened at once. So now the card doesn't come out until AFTER you take the money.
(At least if you forget the card, its probably not that big of a deal); since it's useless without the pin.)
Plus doing multiple things at once leads to much more difficult to handle error conditions; which is something you don't want to do when dealing with money. So each step is an atomic transaction. Don't do X until we know that Y was actually successful.
... and is 10x or more the size and weight of a replaceable battery?
Compare apples to apples.
That linked unit is 10,000 mah. And its not hard to find units the same size that holds 20,000 mah. So its several times the power as the replaceable batteries too.
And the solar model isn't really comparable, because that can keep you going indefinitely assuming sunlight.
Seriously, you are just looking for something to complain about.
bluetooth keyboard cases seems to be where most people who want a physical keyboard go. some people like them some don't.
It seems to be a decent compromise, some of the ultraportable laptops are doing this now too. My daughters Asus T100Chi for example. Or the surface pro.
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How is that patent not expired?
filed in 1993, published in 1998, priority date is 1988
Its over 20 years from the filing date, and over 17 years from its publication date.
It should be expired right?
So are they suing groupon for license fees from at least a few years ago?
An admirable gesture, but the surveillance bill eventually passed near unanimously, 160-1
The South Korean National Assembly has 300 seats, 7 of which are vacant, so 293 votes available I assume.
It was not "uninamous"; in the sense that it had overwhelming support. It had 54%.
The article appears to state that the 38 members who filibustered abstained. I am not sure why they didn't vote no?? I know next to nothing about south korean's political system.
But that's at LEAST 39 against the bill.
And where were the other hundred votes? Did after the long filibuster they all just left? And the government in power (with 157 seats, just whip the party to sit through until it was passed, along with a few independents? of which there are 6)
By the time the vote came to pass was it just the yes-block left in the room, and the 38 guys abstaining?
In any case, framing it as 160-1 is lying with statistics. :)
I expect he could still be found. That's what makes it google-fu after all.
We know for sure that the keywords on his name / address have been de-linked from any results related to his arrest. (A name we don't know anyway, so we can't use it to search.)
It also possible that any pages containing his name related to the arrest have been removed from the index entirely, so that they can't be found with *any* keywords... I'm not sure if Google goes that far?!
We do know which court and which judge for this ruling. We know approximately when the original crime took place (looks like3-4 years ago). We know roughly the crime committed (related to child porn and prositution) and that he was fined 500,000 yen. Odds are we can search the court records / arrest records based on that criteria and find him. (Might have to speak Japanese though.) ...
http://www.delcotimes.com/arti...
Posted May 2013, relating to an incident that had happen several months prior.
"In the Adachi case, three men were arrested by the Metropolitan Police Department on suspicion of violating the law prohibiting child prostitution and child pornography. All three had their sentences finalized, with each given a 500,000 yen fine."
From there...
http://japandailypress.com/you...
Same case:
"Last December, a young, nude girl appeared on some screens and said she was being held against her will in a condominium building in Adachi Ward, Tokyo and asked for help. [... ] The recent arrest of three men in Tokyo for running an illegal live chat room that promoted child prostitution and illegal imagery gave insights on how they prey on young girls and how little they had to spend to set it up."
I think from here we can start looking at arrest records / court records in Tokyo... assuming they are public.
Get the names of the 3 men, and find out if they've been expunged from Google, and/or try to link them to this current right-to-be-forgotton case via court records.
I'm not going to bother trying, For starters I don't speak Japanese; which I'd expect all official records to be in. But I think its doable.
Yes and no. Yes that's an extreme case, and it should be fixed.
But solving that still doesn't really get at the root problem. The guy peeing on a tree in the park shouldn't have that incident as the first hit on his name 10 years from now regardless of whether he's registered as a 'sex offender' over it or not.
Plus that aside there is always going to innumerable edge cases that won't get fixed. Many crimes include a wide range of actions. Aggravated assault and battery can be that you gave someone a beating or it can be squirting mustard on someone's shirt.
If he gets off with having to change his name... meh. He did far worse to his victims.
I don't entirely disagree with you. Maybe this particular case is infamous and newsworthy enough that it should stick around longer.
But you can be charged with sex crimes for peeing on a tree in the woods too; nobody is scarred for life over that. And they are in much the same boat.
The crime is reported. There's an article about in the paper. That's the end of it.
Except that its not the end of it. If that actually were the end of it, that would be fine. That's the point.
We talk about people not doing posting stupid things on Facebook,
Yup we do. But for the most part you can remove stupid stuff you posted to facebook, and it doesn't really linger forever there. Most people who get screwed over by stupid stuff they posted to facebook are doing so in the here and now, not years later.
Comparing the "foremost perpetrators of organized crime in the UK in the 50s" to a "rando who got convicted of something once 10 years ago that nobody would even remember if google didn't keep throwing it up on the first page of results when you looked for his name"
I'm pretty sure the situation and infamy levels aren't exactly comparable there. But I see you've decided to you are going to try anyway. Bravo.
can't you just change your name legally?
Yes, and I'd actually meant to raise that as a possible work around.
But really, should you really have to change such a fundamental part of your own identity. It feels like a 'hack' at best rather than a 'solution'.
And what if google et al simply incorporate those changes into the index, so a search for Mr. X, also returns Mr. Y., and the first result is a "Did you mean Mr Y because Mr X changed his name". Or what if the next generation is facial recognition search... so you now you have to undergo surgery to change your face too?
I'd like to think we can come up with a better solution.
The problem with letting people have this right to be forgotten is that it starts a censorship and once you start something like that, even for good intentions with one person, it can be misused.
The problem with not letting people have this right is that individuals are already being harmed.
If a person has been found guilty in a court of law, like the person in this case has, well then that's just too bad. Probably shouldn't have done the crime. Yes it will make life more difficult
The biggest problem with this attitude is that if he's going to be punished for his whole life, then he might as well be a criminal. What is the point of turning his life around and being a good law abiding citizen if your attitude towards him is: "too bad",
He can't move start over somewhere else; and even the passage of time won't ever leave it behind. 30 years ago, nobody would find out about a crime you did unless it was an international spectacle unless they went back to your country, perhaps even your region within that country and dug around in old newspapers. Now its the first hit on google, around the world, forever. At least until someone else with the same name does something more recently and more heinous. If you have an obscure name, you'll be immortalized in a way that just doesn't
So, "too bad, so sad" isn't a solution.
I agree with you that right to be forgotten laws aren't the solution either, they are clumsy and they resemble censorship.
I'd rather see search engines evolve to prune 'old news' and old search results more intelligently. And then right to be forgotten might not be necessary.
For example, by default searches for X don't return any "non-local news" or "blogs" or "twitter" that are more than 3 years old. If you want to look for "news" from New Hampshire from 2005 you need to specify that in the search.
Major events, politics, and things that are of historical significance etc are excempt. But John Unusual-name Doe was arrested for indecent exposure after getting drunk and failing to pull his pants up before leaving a restroom appearing in some podunk local news should not be still be the first hit for that guys name 10 years later 2 continents away.
It should be findable, but it should be a couple "layers" deep. Humans are largely "out-of-sight out-of-mind". We don't need to have our names stricken from old news papers and old court records to get our lives back because while those old news papers and records still exist, and can be read by anyone at anytime, nobody actually bothers unless its important.
But google won't *let* us forget, because it keep throwing htem up in our face, on that search query... until something more news worthy with those terms finally happens.
The reason why Linux gaming has grown so much on Steam is because Valve foresaw the loss of the AAA market to the publishers' own services and turned it's attention to the small, indie market that used to be at home on the likes of Desura and ShinyLoot.
The publishers own services... uplay and origin are competitors... but not really a threat. Before uplay and origin Ubi and EA still didn't reliably release on steam, they just stuck with tradition discs+DRM for their biggest titles.
The release of uplay and origin has meant a bit of a pullback of titles from steam from those publishers, and a bit more competition in the market, but its not really a threat to Steam's existence.
Valve's support for Linux and steamos etc is hedge against Apple and Microsoft going to a walled garden model and locking them out. (I don't see either going there overnight, but each is taking baby steps and merely the credible possibility of a mass exodus to Linux (steamOS) if Microsoft or Apple turn the screws too far may them from crossing the line. (It doesn't have to become impossible to "sideload" titles; it just has to become enough of a "second class citizen" that they get starved out.)
I had no idea who this guy was. Now I do. May I introduce you to the Streisand Effect?
Do you really?
Or did you, in your rush to smugly "introduce" the Streisand Effect (which hardly needs an introudction, as it is practically a meme here), fail to realize that you actually don't know who this guy is.
His name's not mentioned in the summary.
Its not mentioned in the article.
Its not mentioned in the article the article is linked to.
I mean sure, I expect if you put on your detective's hat and went looking for it specifically you would find it, but if you have to use google-fu just to find out that's not really the Streisand effect at all.
Problem solved. And as an added bonus, you get a nice tax boost.
More like one problem solved, a new one created. By most reasonable metrics the new problems are smaller than the old one, so it's a net gain for society; but still hardly "problem solved".
There are 2 parts to this; and I'm not sure which applies, or perhaps both:
If 90% number applies only to VPN Proxy services for the purposes you mention; to simply give you 1 hop bridge past whatever nonsense your ISP is doing and to cheese off advertisers and region restricting geolocates and so forth that's one thing.
But
If if the 90% number also includes actual SSL VPNs protecting remote access to private networks, (or perhaps SSL VPN remote access to YOUR network), that's pretty horrifying.
Maybe. Had Ghandi simply been executed (ie martyred) that might have catalyzed change as well; although the transition would have been very, very, different.
That is entirely correct.
The Linux foundation holds copyright to large parts of the kernel, but not all of it. Individuals can hold copyright to their contributions. And SFC by the sounds of it also holds copyright to some parts.
Any copyright holder could theoretically have standing in a lawsuit for GPL violation; and bring a lawsuit. The linux foundation is just one party of many who could have standing in a lawsuit.
And as you said, NONE of them could unilaterally alter the license; they'd either need permission from all other copyright holders, or they'd need to excise those holders contributions and rewrite that functionality.
Those who think the Pen is mightier than the Sword are about to learn the unpoetic truth that a person with only a pen needs to have some really good friends with swords.
The phrase means that in the course of history that ideas are a more powerful force for change than weapons.
Ghandi's "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." means the same thing.
The person with a "pen" may die. But his ideas may ultimately change the world, despite the attempt by those with "swords" to prevent it.
And no it wasn't bullshit but thanks for your concern.
Then you have dodgy hardware, or you are doing something you aren't admitting. One or the other. The devices simply do not BSOD 3 times a week out of the box, not even running pale moon, unless it is defective.
Send it in for warranty.
Pizza apps are a staple of any app ecosystem
Staple or not they are irrelevant nonsense. The Windows app store does have lots of BIG gaping holes... many banks don't have a windows phone app. Many peripherals don't either... from Lego Mindstorms to Harmony Remotes, to communications stuff like RingCentral.
But Pizza? Give me a break. You can still order a pizza on your surface via the website. That's a minor inconvenience at best. Me, I find it MUCH faster to just phone it in.
Not really.
If you run a grocery store and you put X on the left in one store, and on the right in another, and you record that it sells better when on the left, and then change all your stores, that's analytics too. Its not "spying", its not a weasel word for spying.
There are all kinds of ways one can do analytics without "spying". Hell, serving have your web visitors one ad, and half the other and seeing which has a better sales coversion rate, that's analytics too.
Way to go, completely misunderstanding the point.
Yup. I did.
Carrying 10x the weight is a disadvantage if I don't need more than one recharge.
Gotcha.
http://www.amazon.com/Crank-Po...
At 2.2oz It actually weighs LESS than than the 2.9oz OEM S5 battery.
" In a survey that reached 1,000 respondents by phone over the weekend"
That pretty much ended it for me too.
I figure they reached 1000 grandmothers who think a company should do what a court ordered.
The Industry standard for these is 80 to 90% efficiency.
Therefore 10,000 mAh in the external battery might only give you half of that internally.
So 10,000 mAh gives ~8500mAh; which is 3 full charges of an S5. They make 20,000 mAh packs, and even beyond. Or buy 2. Or buy one with solar... or ...
You also have to consider the number of times that one spare battery is insufficient, but 4 or 5 recharges is sufficient. That's very rare for me, but YMMV.
If you need 5 chargers (5 x ~3000mah) = 15,000 then buy a 20,000 mah pack and you are good. Or buy a 40,000 mah pack. Or go solar.
I'm not really seeing the problem that you are claiming isn't solved.
That's not poor design, that's deliberate design.
Too many people left things behind when it happened at once. So now the card doesn't come out until AFTER you take the money.
(At least if you forget the card, its probably not that big of a deal); since it's useless without the pin.)
Plus doing multiple things at once leads to much more difficult to handle error conditions; which is something you don't want to do when dealing with money. So each step is an atomic transaction. Don't do X until we know that Y was actually successful.
... and is 10x or more the size and weight of a replaceable battery?
Compare apples to apples.
That linked unit is 10,000 mah. And its not hard to find units the same size that holds 20,000 mah. So its several times the power as the replaceable batteries too.
And the solar model isn't really comparable, because that can keep you going indefinitely assuming sunlight.
Seriously, you are just looking for something to complain about.
Er... you are aware that Air Force One has phones on it right?
http://www.extremetech.com/ext...
(And even before the upgrade it had phones. )
bluetooth keyboard cases seems to be where most people who want a physical keyboard go. some people like them some don't.
It seems to be a decent compromise, some of the ultraportable laptops are doing this now too. My daughters Asus T100Chi for example. Or the surface pro.