We had no real choice but to go with samba... small company, small IT budget, you know how it goes...
I agree that it is more of a pain than it really should be.. we can hope samba4 eases some of this
I've published my working setup back to the community, tho I've been meaning to write a "howto" in a bit more linear format.
No, you can look your boss in the eye and tell him/her/it not to buy vista....
Or if you are feeling brave, you can suggest they actually plan for these kinds of "gotchas" before they happen...
Lets be clear on this point -
When vista comes out, samba will not break.
MS will simply have changed the standard/protocol/whatever in some way that thier own prior implementations will be tolerant of but Samba will not. Samba will not be busted, MS' own implementation of thier own technology (or other peoples tech, kerberos for example) is what will be busted.
Yes, active directory is decent - if you only ever want windows clients.
I confess that Ive got a samba3 server (Gentooooooo) as "full" member of our W2K ActiveDirectory - and even got the permissions synced up enough so that users can right-click files and play with permissions through the gui on the doze client.
HOWEVER this setup took weeks of tweakage, involved a dozen or so actual software packages, and required violating some published microsoft specs on how AD (supposedly...) works.
If samba4 gives me this without the BS, I'm happy. If samba4 lets me replace my domain controller and have the existing doze infrastructure not notice, I'm even more happy.
I'm one of the freaks who runs solaris on sparc as my desktop box (home and work) and I've been pleased that my minority platform has a flash player. Actually, I havent found many minority platforms that DONT have a flash player (os2?).
Somehow, I'm skeptical that MS will give me a client to view thier new "rich" "active" content that is going to run on any non-x86 non-vista system. They can lock down the development platform (as adobe/macromedia has) but if they dont give me a player, then to $UNDERWORLD with them.
Cue all the libertarians and other far right wingers that seem to be so populous on slashdot to cry and fuss about said requirements for labeling food in regards to its contents....
In general, I agree with the parent.
Has anyone in the higher levels ever considered that such tight integration might be detrimental to security? As it stands, if some remote user is able to expliot some vulnerability in my email client.. why should my system be engineered in such a way that the vulnerability in my email client lets then access my user preferances for my word processor or lets them change my system clock? To phrase it differently, what do I (the customer) gain in specific functionality from this tight coupling/integration (at the expense of security) that I would not have if this method was not used?
-Tim Smith
Where do you draw the line between "ease of use"/convenience vs security? By that I mean, when you get situations where security becomes inconvenient for the user (as the firewall stuff in XP SP2 has proven to be) what finally makes you stop and say "ok, security is more important than being able to click a weblink here" ?
Compare college graduation rates with other developed nation sometime. Compare the salary of a college educated middle manager with a rookie lower-end-of-the-draft football player (who was in college on a sports scholarship since they wouldnt have been accepted academically...) sometime. You know not of what you speak.
I agree that education -SHOULD- be a strong enabler for success, however this often turns out not to be the case. I also agree that a good education SHOULD provide better social oppertunities, and as such motivate people to become educated. Again however, this is rarely the case. I work in IT, and half the other IT people I know have no degree (I'm a college senior, 1 semester from 4-year degree) and make the same amount of money, and in some cases make MORE money than the college grads in the same age range.
.. the tides are caused by the moon's gravitational pull effecting the rise of the sea level towards the moon.. this has been known for many many many years...
As for "whomever/whatever" having "planned all this".... Uh.. yeah... given natural development and adaptation to an environment, things couldnt be any different than the way they are now... if the planet was 20 degrees colder, we'd likely be covered in fur since only our ancestors born with fur (way way back) would have survived long enough to breed, animals such as a scorpion which cannot survive cold climates wouldnt be around in thier current form, we'd have much larger ice caps, etc etc...
Or perhapps someone invited the scientoligists over for dinner?
Dont forget that our entire society is setup to mock intelligence, and tries to teach children that intelligence/education are somehow "bad".. kids hear jokes about school as if to suggest not being there is the desired state of being, and smart people are always portrayed as nerds with thick glasses while football stars are portrayed as heros of virtue (rather than rapists and drug abusers... ahem...).... I was involved with schoolboard in my local town and while we have a great program for disadvantaged students ("special education"), that special-ed program only covers kids who have a -dis-advantage rather than gifted students... Also consider that our town buys each kid on the football team $1500 in equipment NEW every year, but the kids on the chess club have to buy thier own chess sets and there is no funding for a computer team. I live in New Hampshire, in one of the more conservative towns, so its not a matter of the rich town giving football a budget, its a matter of where they put the priority.... Given how hard our society tries to actively discourage education and intelligence, can we be suprised in the slightest?
Think about it.. the Chinese are "late starters" to the hi-tech game, and have a bit of an advantage as a result. Look at thier first commercial grade microprocessor, the "Dragon" MIPS chip.. thier -FIRST- generation naitive CPU was a 233mhz big-endian chip.. this doesnt mean they are any more or less advanced, it simply means they were able to take "leftovers" from other companies (in the form of IP and FAB equipment, etc) to have thier first-gen way way ahead of "our" first-gen. If they progress at the same rate as the US/Europe did early in the game, they will likely overtake us not only in quantity but also in quality. Companies in China have a very very serious advantage in that thier economic model permits them to use the "ip" of other companies (chinese or foreign) without many strings attached, so the end result is more developers working on the hard problems and improving whats already there... I'm sure thier Dragon CPU is already in a newer revision, and there are probably a few other Chinese firms working on copies/upgrades of it.
The "Chinese Dragon" isnt sleeping, its just hung-over from the 50s-60s....
Maybe I just want to post inflamatory political rhetoric (or whatever) on my website/journal without having any tom, dick, or agent-smith who doesnt like what I have to say be able to whois me and come slash my tires....
How do I get one installed in MY home?
While it doesnt have the style points of being able to say "You do realise each one of us has an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on our backs?", it certainly would be a conversation peice;-)
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KDE does it just fine. Not to troll, but once you escape the clutches of the "options confuse the users" Gnome desktop, its amazing what you can do ...
I hear this was developed specifically for the new Phantom gameconsole and online service. I cant wait to get duke nukem whenever going on that baby!
I am billnewtus, of borg. Resistance is futile. I have analyzed your neuropathways as unable to resist us. Lower your firearms and surrender.
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Now its doomed to fail, at least inside the USA...
We had no real choice but to go with samba ... small company, small IT budget, you know how it goes... .. we can hope samba4 eases some of this
I agree that it is more of a pain than it really should be
I've published my working setup back to the community, tho I've been meaning to write a "howto" in a bit more linear format.
No, you can look your boss in the eye and tell him/her/it not to buy vista....
Or if you are feeling brave, you can suggest they actually plan for these kinds of "gotchas" before they happen...
Lets be clear on this point -
When vista comes out, samba will not break.
MS will simply have changed the standard/protocol/whatever in some way that thier own prior implementations will be tolerant of but Samba will not. Samba will not be busted, MS' own implementation of thier own technology (or other peoples tech, kerberos for example) is what will be busted.
Yes, active directory is decent - if you only ever want windows clients. I confess that Ive got a samba3 server (Gentooooooo) as "full" member of our W2K ActiveDirectory - and even got the permissions synced up enough so that users can right-click files and play with permissions through the gui on the doze client. HOWEVER this setup took weeks of tweakage, involved a dozen or so actual software packages, and required violating some published microsoft specs on how AD (supposedly...) works. If samba4 gives me this without the BS, I'm happy. If samba4 lets me replace my domain controller and have the existing doze infrastructure not notice, I'm even more happy.
I'm one of the freaks who runs solaris on sparc as my desktop box (home and work) and I've been pleased that my minority platform has a flash player. Actually, I havent found many minority platforms that DONT have a flash player (os2?).
Somehow, I'm skeptical that MS will give me a client to view thier new "rich" "active" content that is going to run on any non-x86 non-vista system. They can lock down the development platform (as adobe/macromedia has) but if they dont give me a player, then to $UNDERWORLD with them.
Cue all the libertarians and other far right wingers that seem to be so populous on slashdot to cry and fuss about said requirements for labeling food in regards to its contents ....
In general, I agree with the parent.
Has anyone in the higher levels ever considered that such tight integration might be detrimental to security? As it stands, if some remote user is able to expliot some vulnerability in my email client .. why should my system be engineered in such a way that the vulnerability in my email client lets then access my user preferances for my word processor or lets them change my system clock? To phrase it differently, what do I (the customer) gain in specific functionality from this tight coupling/integration (at the expense of security) that I would not have if this method was not used?
-Tim Smith
Where do you draw the line between "ease of use"/convenience vs security? By that I mean, when you get situations where security becomes inconvenient for the user (as the firewall stuff in XP SP2 has proven to be) what finally makes you stop and say "ok, security is more important than being able to click a weblink here" ?
If power is your problem, Sun is your solution. Check out the new Ultrasparc T1 powered servers, huge performance at tiny tiny power draw.
Compare college graduation rates with other developed nation sometime. Compare the salary of a college educated middle manager with a rookie lower-end-of-the-draft football player (who was in college on a sports scholarship since they wouldnt have been accepted academically...) sometime. You know not of what you speak. I agree that education -SHOULD- be a strong enabler for success, however this often turns out not to be the case. I also agree that a good education SHOULD provide better social oppertunities, and as such motivate people to become educated. Again however, this is rarely the case. I work in IT, and half the other IT people I know have no degree (I'm a college senior, 1 semester from 4-year degree) and make the same amount of money, and in some cases make MORE money than the college grads in the same age range.
.. the tides are caused by the moon's gravitational pull effecting the rise of the sea level towards the moon .. this has been known for many many many years...
As for "whomever/whatever" having "planned all this" .... Uh .. yeah ... given natural development and adaptation to an environment, things couldnt be any different than the way they are now ... if the planet was 20 degrees colder, we'd likely be covered in fur since only our ancestors born with fur (way way back) would have survived long enough to breed, animals such as a scorpion which cannot survive cold climates wouldnt be around in thier current form, we'd have much larger ice caps, etc etc...
Or perhapps someone invited the scientoligists over for dinner?
Then you obviously dont live in the USA... either that or you havent seen a public school in the last 20 years.
Dont forget that our entire society is setup to mock intelligence, and tries to teach children that intelligence/education are somehow "bad" .. kids hear jokes about school as if to suggest not being there is the desired state of being, and smart people are always portrayed as nerds with thick glasses while football stars are portrayed as heros of virtue (rather than rapists and drug abusers... ahem ...).... I was involved with schoolboard in my local town and while we have a great program for disadvantaged students ("special education"), that special-ed program only covers kids who have a -dis-advantage rather than gifted students... Also consider that our town buys each kid on the football team $1500 in equipment NEW every year, but the kids on the chess club have to buy thier own chess sets and there is no funding for a computer team. I live in New Hampshire, in one of the more conservative towns, so its not a matter of the rich town giving football a budget, its a matter of where they put the priority.... Given how hard our society tries to actively discourage education and intelligence, can we be suprised in the slightest?
Think about it .. the Chinese are "late starters" to the hi-tech game, and have a bit of an advantage as a result. Look at thier first commercial grade microprocessor, the "Dragon" MIPS chip .. thier -FIRST- generation naitive CPU was a 233mhz big-endian chip.. this doesnt mean they are any more or less advanced, it simply means they were able to take "leftovers" from other companies (in the form of IP and FAB equipment, etc) to have thier first-gen way way ahead of "our" first-gen. If they progress at the same rate as the US/Europe did early in the game, they will likely overtake us not only in quantity but also in quality. Companies in China have a very very serious advantage in that thier economic model permits them to use the "ip" of other companies (chinese or foreign) without many strings attached, so the end result is more developers working on the hard problems and improving whats already there... I'm sure thier Dragon CPU is already in a newer revision, and there are probably a few other Chinese firms working on copies/upgrades of it.
The "Chinese Dragon" isnt sleeping, its just hung-over from the 50s-60s....
And us blue suiters wouldnt have it any other way! .. excuse me, I need a refil on my mountain dew..
Maybe I just want to post inflamatory political rhetoric (or whatever) on my website/journal without having any tom, dick, or agent-smith who doesnt like what I have to say be able to whois me and come slash my tires....
Need more than 2 CPU cores? Dont want to wait 5 more years for it? ... http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T1/index. xml Sun to the rescue...
How do I get one installed in MY home? While it doesnt have the style points of being able to say "You do realise each one of us has an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on our backs?", it certainly would be a conversation peice ;-)
no, arabic comments are only good if you want U.S. readers to object....
Comment the open source code in German rather than English. ...watch how fast any French objectors drop their complains...