Dont be so sure on that point... Not by intention, but by coincidence. My eternal boycott of wal-mart has had a side-effect that far fewer of my "consumer goods" are made in china.;-)
The differance here between the PRC way of internet-boneheading and the USA way of internet-boneheading isnt so much one of more fear/control in china... its more an issue of that in china they dont have an equivilient entity (in terms of capability) to the NSA which can monitor/mingle without setting off too many alarms out in the field... Simply put, the US government doesnt NEED to subpoena emails as much/often since our domestic intelligence community has the capability to provide the information without the court order tipping off $VICTIM to the fact his email is being read by the feds.... In China, they lack this capability and need to take more open and publicised measures to both discourage communication they cant intercept, and also to intercept communication less sneaky-like...
The main problem isnt the retention crap.. its the "Ye shalt not transmit email which speaks poorly of $SUBJECT" style restrictions that are going to piss people off....
Normally I've found myself to be tolerant of China's wierd internet policies.. but this one is just really boneheaded.. Hey PRC, You arent winning any fans with this shit!
One of the downsides of having a tech-saavy government is that in addition to trying to provide the fabled "broadband for all" you also often get crap like this... why, WHY wont sweden take over the world?!
Will this help users of non-linux systems, like myself running KDE on solaris/sparc whom are upset that all of Sun's bundled tools are gnome-specific and load up a billion gigs of dependant libraries when I try and launch them?
I like your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Please tell me more about how parents of disabled children should put them up on the market so that thier vital fluids can be bartered off and extracted for our personal use all in the name of social darwinism. Also please do not forget to mention your ideas on how the liberal media gets away with such extreeme slant, considering all the major broadcasters are owned by strongly conservative republicans. How do they get away with that?!
The way out of the building that is...
Seriously, am I the only one who finds it ironic that the company that geared up with microsoft to dethrone unix/linux from the server centers now has one of the largest booths at linuxworld and is trumpeting the superiority of open source?
Bah!
You seem confused about a few things.
First, any "environmentalist" as you call them that actually knows anything about the environment is a strong advocate of nuclear power, not an opponant. We can probably agree that opposition to nuclear power mostly comes from ignorance of the technology involved. Anyone who, as you say, is just trying to funnel funds into pet projects is hardly an "environmentalist" and more than pat robertson is "christian".
Secondly, your view that "the market" (and probably some big invisible hand) is going to solve the environmental problems you are not just wrong, but -dead- wrong. I work at a manufacturing company, and we are currently trying to become compliant with the ROHS initiatives. If you dont know, thats Reduction Of Hazardous Substances.. basically that our products, and thier componants, arent full of toxic chemichals that will kill people if they get dropped into a river. This seemingly no-brainer action has driven our costs of materials -WAY- up, our margins -WAY- down, and made life for anyone working with supply chain -WAY- more painful. The only reason we do this is because we are required too if we want to peddle our wares. Lets be clear here: Government regulation requiring compliance with an environmental initiative is the ONLY reason compliance is being sought. Costs of non-compliant goods are less than half those of compliant ones. This is FAR from a new standard, and the timetable for implementation is very long but also costing us an arm and a leg. I'm not talking fortune 500 here, im talking "smb"land.
Its all about cost. As a self-proclaimed right-winger you can understand this. Bottom line, nothing else. Fuck the deer, fuck the fish, fuck the children across the street, fuck the gub'ment, fuck the employees, fuck everything except the bottom line. When it comes to environmental issues, the balance between environmentally-friendly-corporate-behavior and bottom-line-numbers is ALWAYS going to tip in favour of those bottom line numbers unless something (ie: gub'ment) is forcing business to comply.
Give "the market" 50 years to adapt to an enviro-friendly economy (to let economies of scale kick in and such) and THEN take off the training-wheels of regulation, after its cheaper to be enviro-friendly than to be mercury/lead-king of the world...
Throw all the neo-libertarian conservative rhetoric you have at it, but in the end businesses dont give a damned about the environment unless it helps the bottom line. At -this point in time-, it hurts the bottom line....
Because this guy (eolas) didnt sue them and isnt going too.
It seems that he had(s) a beef with microsoft, never gave them an option to pay him the billions to drop the suit, and took them to court for an injunction rather than "damages"....
Number of dollars spent at walmart since 1998: $0
Additional-Cost of access to online retailers vs the rest of the net: $0
Being able to sleep at night: Priceless
College room mate from 10 years ago finds you online and decides to say hi,
City hall emails you a reminder to re-register your car,
there are plenty of examples of unexpected emails that are legit and could be blocked.
From my own personal experience, I recieved unexpected email in 2002 from my father whom I had not heard from in almost 12 years.... I'm kinda a little happy that "the market" wasnt the arbitrating factor if I recieved that mail or not....
Some are taking a more external route, and are more concerned with data-center level monitoring than system-level. Degree Controls (www.degreec.com) has a new product/service initiative called Adaptivcool which works to monitor and control (intelligently) airflow in a datacenter. Good stuff.
Not to troll but.. I'm sorry, its from Microsoft.. its surely going to have an Intel chip (Mobile EXTREEEEEEEEME Hunger Eddition) and run WindowsCE(meNT) loaded with more DRM than you thought possible from a mobile.. the only thing this is going to "kill" is batteries...
If the thing was windows-enabled, he'd be going on and on about how low-cost/free hardware was a vital part of some "end user experience feature package" that only microsoft could deliver to the developing world blah blah blah
Oh, and his lapdog intel is also out of the loop.. karma -5 from bill...
Until they have a solaris/sparc version, I'll be sticking with text MUDs. kthxbye.
Sadly, the majority of games developers dont seem to give half a shiznit about platforms other than WindowsXP (and vista soon).. im not saying they SHOULD care about porting thier game to a serious minority platform (such as mine), im just pointing out that they DONT.
I have been involved with the schoolboard in the town I last lived in, from 02-04 and I made one of my top "issues" to try and get district IT costs down and get long-term-viable stuff in place... when it came budget time, I presented data which showed very large substantial savings by moving to a F/OSS software base: not throwing away those pentium2s and using them as linux desktops or distcc nodes or SOMETHING, adoption of OpenOffice for internal documentation rather than upgrading the whole district (several thousand "seats") to MS Office 2003, and so on. The savings was very substantial but in the end was less than 5% of the total operating budget for the district. Simply put, nobody cared enough to vote down the budget because of it and oh boy did the MCSE they hired as a "district IT admin" know it... he came to the budget meeting armed with 2 or 3 FUD one-liners that any of the computer-literate kids in the school could have debunked, talked-up the "strong" relationship with dell (another beast entirely... hows a 60% return/defect rate within 6 months?) customer support, and made anecdotal comments about how MS "always" offers discounts of "at least 80%" whenever educational institutions ask for it... needless to say, the budget was passed, no discounts were asked for or recieved, the multimillion dollar IT side-grades to office 2k3 and overpriced dell optiplexes went ahead full steam.... and nobody gave a crap...
So I guess the end point is, unless a strong majority of the people making the decisions are more tech-savvy, having some of us there makes zero impact.
I found out that after I left, the district MCSE submitted a 4 page draft to the school board explaining essentially that everything I submitted was an LSD trip, this strange thing called "Linix" was more of a student experiment than a legit operating system, that openoffice was tied to "The KING of all proprietary vendors, Sun Microsystems" and was a threat to intellectual property rights of the students (?!?!?! WHAT !?).... im sure his contract was renewed without debate...
absolutly true, and this brings up an excellent point... perhaps someone with more usability experienace than I should examine methods for character set translation or whatnot?
Lets suppose for whatever reason I want to navigate my computer which isnt in china with an english language OS install to www.learn-to-speak-mandarin.[$CHINESE_CHAR] or to www.[$CHINESE_CHAR].net... how exactly am I supposed to do this? ESPECIALL if icann and the rest of the "standard" DNS using world isnt tied in to whatever they are doing?
You know.. I'm usually more tolerant than I should be when I hear about some of the crap that goes on in China.. but this sad excuse of re-inventing the wheel just to more tightly control thier censorship stuff really fries my rice..
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Dont be so sure on that point ... Not by intention, but by coincidence. My eternal boycott of wal-mart has had a side-effect that far fewer of my "consumer goods" are made in china. ;-)
Come now, surely The People's Daily and China Daily arent printed in the same room ;-)
There are many, many people in the USA who still believe Saddam had WMDs and was going to nuke the USA with his al-qaeda terr'ist network...
The differance here between the PRC way of internet-boneheading and the USA way of internet-boneheading isnt so much one of more fear/control in china ... its more an issue of that in china they dont have an equivilient entity (in terms of capability) to the NSA which can monitor/mingle without setting off too many alarms out in the field... Simply put, the US government doesnt NEED to subpoena emails as much/often since our domestic intelligence community has the capability to provide the information without the court order tipping off $VICTIM to the fact his email is being read by the feds .... In China, they lack this capability and need to take more open and publicised measures to both discourage communication they cant intercept, and also to intercept communication less sneaky-like ...
The main problem isnt the retention crap .. its the "Ye shalt not transmit email which speaks poorly of $SUBJECT" style restrictions that are going to piss people off ....
Normally I've found myself to be tolerant of China's wierd internet policies .. but this one is just really boneheaded .. Hey PRC, You arent winning any fans with this shit!
... why, WHY wont sweden take over the world?!
One of the downsides of having a tech-saavy government is that in addition to trying to provide the fabled "broadband for all" you also often get crap like this
Will this help users of non-linux systems, like myself running KDE on solaris/sparc whom are upset that all of Sun's bundled tools are gnome-specific and load up a billion gigs of dependant libraries when I try and launch them?
I like your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Please tell me more about how parents of disabled children should put them up on the market so that thier vital fluids can be bartered off and extracted for our personal use all in the name of social darwinism. Also please do not forget to mention your ideas on how the liberal media gets away with such extreeme slant, considering all the major broadcasters are owned by strongly conservative republicans. How do they get away with that?!
The way out of the building that is ...
Seriously, am I the only one who finds it ironic that the company that geared up with microsoft to dethrone unix/linux from the server centers now has one of the largest booths at linuxworld and is trumpeting the superiority of open source?
Bah!
You seem confused about a few things. First, any "environmentalist" as you call them that actually knows anything about the environment is a strong advocate of nuclear power, not an opponant. We can probably agree that opposition to nuclear power mostly comes from ignorance of the technology involved. Anyone who, as you say, is just trying to funnel funds into pet projects is hardly an "environmentalist" and more than pat robertson is "christian". Secondly, your view that "the market" (and probably some big invisible hand) is going to solve the environmental problems you are not just wrong, but -dead- wrong. I work at a manufacturing company, and we are currently trying to become compliant with the ROHS initiatives. If you dont know, thats Reduction Of Hazardous Substances .. basically that our products, and thier componants, arent full of toxic chemichals that will kill people if they get dropped into a river. This seemingly no-brainer action has driven our costs of materials -WAY- up, our margins -WAY- down, and made life for anyone working with supply chain -WAY- more painful. The only reason we do this is because we are required too if we want to peddle our wares. Lets be clear here: Government regulation requiring compliance with an environmental initiative is the ONLY reason compliance is being sought. Costs of non-compliant goods are less than half those of compliant ones. This is FAR from a new standard, and the timetable for implementation is very long but also costing us an arm and a leg. I'm not talking fortune 500 here, im talking "smb"land.
Its all about cost. As a self-proclaimed right-winger you can understand this. Bottom line, nothing else. Fuck the deer, fuck the fish, fuck the children across the street, fuck the gub'ment, fuck the employees, fuck everything except the bottom line. When it comes to environmental issues, the balance between environmentally-friendly-corporate-behavior and bottom-line-numbers is ALWAYS going to tip in favour of those bottom line numbers unless something (ie: gub'ment) is forcing business to comply.
Give "the market" 50 years to adapt to an enviro-friendly economy (to let economies of scale kick in and such) and THEN take off the training-wheels of regulation, after its cheaper to be enviro-friendly than to be mercury/lead-king of the world...
Throw all the neo-libertarian conservative rhetoric you have at it, but in the end businesses dont give a damned about the environment unless it helps the bottom line. At -this point in time-, it hurts the bottom line....
Because this guy (eolas) didnt sue them and isnt going too. It seems that he had(s) a beef with microsoft, never gave them an option to pay him the billions to drop the suit, and took them to court for an injunction rather than "damages" ....
Number of dollars spent at walmart since 1998: $0
Additional-Cost of access to online retailers vs the rest of the net: $0
Being able to sleep at night: Priceless
College room mate from 10 years ago finds you online and decides to say hi, City hall emails you a reminder to re-register your car, there are plenty of examples of unexpected emails that are legit and could be blocked. ....
From my own personal experience, I recieved unexpected email in 2002 from my father whom I had not heard from in almost 12 years.... I'm kinda a little happy that "the market" wasnt the arbitrating factor if I recieved that mail or not
Some are taking a more external route, and are more concerned with data-center level monitoring than system-level. Degree Controls (www.degreec.com) has a new product/service initiative called Adaptivcool which works to monitor and control (intelligently) airflow in a datacenter. Good stuff.
rephrase, "MS Made-it-popular/got-people-used-to-it at levels-other-than-big-business"
Seriously. Because MS merged thier calendar stuff with thier email stuff and now people expect them to be joined at the hip. Sad but simple.
You forgot that it would also be the size of a car tire ;-)
Not to troll but .. I'm sorry, its from Microsoft .. its surely going to have an Intel chip (Mobile EXTREEEEEEEEME Hunger Eddition) and run WindowsCE(meNT) loaded with more DRM than you thought possible from a mobile .. the only thing this is going to "kill" is batteries ...
Mod parent troll.
If the thing was windows-enabled, he'd be going on and on about how low-cost/free hardware was a vital part of some "end user experience feature package" that only microsoft could deliver to the developing world blah blah blah Oh, and his lapdog intel is also out of the loop .. karma -5 from bill ...
Heh, funny you mention that .. sadly my indigo2 only has a half-working linux install at the moment, no irix ;-)
Until they have a solaris/sparc version, I'll be sticking with text MUDs. kthxbye. Sadly, the majority of games developers dont seem to give half a shiznit about platforms other than WindowsXP (and vista soon) .. im not saying they SHOULD care about porting thier game to a serious minority platform (such as mine), im just pointing out that they DONT.
I have been involved with the schoolboard in the town I last lived in, from 02-04 and I made one of my top "issues" to try and get district IT costs down and get long-term-viable stuff in place ... when it came budget time, I presented data which showed very large substantial savings by moving to a F/OSS software base: not throwing away those pentium2s and using them as linux desktops or distcc nodes or SOMETHING, adoption of OpenOffice for internal documentation rather than upgrading the whole district (several thousand "seats") to MS Office 2003, and so on. The savings was very substantial but in the end was less than 5% of the total operating budget for the district. Simply put, nobody cared enough to vote down the budget because of it and oh boy did the MCSE they hired as a "district IT admin" know it ... he came to the budget meeting armed with 2 or 3 FUD one-liners that any of the computer-literate kids in the school could have debunked, talked-up the "strong" relationship with dell (another beast entirely... hows a 60% return/defect rate within 6 months?) customer support, and made anecdotal comments about how MS "always" offers discounts of "at least 80%" whenever educational institutions ask for it ... needless to say, the budget was passed, no discounts were asked for or recieved, the multimillion dollar IT side-grades to office 2k3 and overpriced dell optiplexes went ahead full steam .... and nobody gave a crap ...
.... im sure his contract was renewed without debate ...
So I guess the end point is, unless a strong majority of the people making the decisions are more tech-savvy, having some of us there makes zero impact.
I found out that after I left, the district MCSE submitted a 4 page draft to the school board explaining essentially that everything I submitted was an LSD trip, this strange thing called "Linix" was more of a student experiment than a legit operating system, that openoffice was tied to "The KING of all proprietary vendors, Sun Microsystems" and was a threat to intellectual property rights of the students (?!?!?! WHAT !?)
absolutly true, and this brings up an excellent point ... perhaps someone with more usability experienace than I should examine methods for character set translation or whatnot?
Lets suppose for whatever reason I want to navigate my computer which isnt in china with an english language OS install to www.learn-to-speak-mandarin.[$CHINESE_CHAR] or to www.[$CHINESE_CHAR].net ... how exactly am I supposed to do this? ESPECIALL if icann and the rest of the "standard" DNS using world isnt tied in to whatever they are doing?
You know .. I'm usually more tolerant than I should be when I hear about some of the crap that goes on in China .. but this sad excuse of re-inventing the wheel just to more tightly control thier censorship stuff really fries my rice ..