Actually, it existed in Brazil both before and after CIA intervention. The only difference was that, well, the first wave had no training from CIA, and the second one had. Well, because everybody else were doing it, does it make right for CIA to employ this shameless tactic (back than, and now)? Actually, the worst part is not the fact that U.S. intelligency (and law enforcement, who knows?) is resorting to torture, but the fact of U.S. people refusal in admiting/acknowledging that is happening. That is sad, the king is nude but everybody is seeing the golden clothes.
Now, two semi-rhetorical questions:
1st) Is torture being practiced by/for U.S. government?
2nd) If so, is it right (ini any circunstance)?
That's the New testament. I find amazing that so called Christians disregard the very only commandment of Christ himself ("Love each other", specially your enemies) but go look for inspiration on King David slaughters to justify their wars.
You know what is sad? Being a Brazilian (and consequently a South American), I've studied (and saw the demise of) the exactly same thing that is happenning now on the U.S.: a mix of fascist and populist government, conducted mostly by the militar and industrial elite. It's all the seventies again, but this time, on North America instead of down South, and without the clear military coup. It is a proven working tactic: unite the people against a common enemy (like Argentina against England over Falklands/Maldivas island) so there is a "us vs. them" feeling, leaving no room to internal dissent, stir passionated nationalism (like Brasil with the Football world cups), use the internal GDP growth as a way to create an illusion of prosperity while, in the reality, the only thing that is growing is a concentration of the wealth (on of the Brasilian military slogans was something like "let's first make the cake grow and later, to share it", what, of course, never happen), institucionalize mistreatment of prisoners (you think CIA is not torturing, well, they taught Latin America dictators the joys of the interrogation tactics in the Escuela de las americas, and they used it gladly against the average joe when they got ride of all dissidents), etc.
The saddest part is that, at least down here, people took 30 years even to realize what was happenning, and even if the military regimes came down, people in politics are still the same, only changed the party names.
From where did this "Islamofascist" expression came? I'm not a native english speaker, and this expression makes absolute no sense, except if I'm missing some context-dependent information that is out there. Islamic theocracy (that is, according to the most distorted views on both sides, the ultimate goal of the islamic terrorism) and fascism are so different concepts that "islamofascism" sounds like an oxymoron.
I don't know, I'm guessing here, but it sounds like an attempt to label the "other side" fascist, in order to evoke towards them the anti-fascist feelings that survived after the WWII, and also to avoid to be labeled themselves as fascists.
Anyway, it is a lame expression (meme) and I doubt there is an equivalent for it currently in use in any other country/language.
I clicked on the link to Slashdot, and it creates a template for the exact submission that we are reading. Why not to cut some corners and, instead of requiring an user to click on the link, to subscribe slashdot to the rss feed of that site and automatically post the news here. Mod me down all you want, but accepting a story created by the very own site that posted the article and not even adding anything meaningful to it is way too much laziness, even for slashdot
True, there is a probable cause, and it is a little bit worse than "promoting hate", but "conspiring to commit a crime". One (of the many) examples that comes to my head is a group of neo-nazi that harassed a particular user (a black young boy) not only online (messaging him via the site, and creating a "community" with a "let's kill him" theme), but using the info they gathered about him on Orkut to harass him on his own homeplace.
Anyway, there are anti-discrimination laws in Brasil since the nineties, and racism (bigotry, in general) is a federal crime there. But, if I'm not wrong (IANAL), there is a difference in our law between "I hate " and "I hate you John Doe, you fucking ". The former counts as free speech, the latter doesn't. I may be wrong, I don't know.
"That way the people of Brazil would clearly know what the government is doing"
People of Brazil (including me) know exactly what the government is doing. It is going after people that are going beyond the "free speech" concept and getting into the "conspiracy to commit crime" realm. And it is not only about hate speech (that, in a certain extent, along with racism, is a crime in Brazil) but also members of criminal organizations ("traficantes") gloating about real world crimes like drug trafficking, weapon smuggling, etc.
This is not the government subpoena'ing for data of all users or random users, but users that broke the law in one way or another. There is probable cause, judicial oversight and a clear description of what is being searched.
(btw, as it is evident by some previous silly mistakes, english is not my first language)
I think it is because it changes something we were taught in our childhood, and took as granted. Similar to country name changes (for those unlucky African/Asian countries), currency name changes (EU/South American countries put your hands up), or measurement system changes (U.S. will eventually experience it). I bet most common people will shrug this new nomenclature and continue calling Pluto a planet.
The article is interesting both as an illustration of the correct use of the word (and the reason for what I mixed up the words) and as an illustration of how far incitement of crimes is going on orkut.com. In short, he talked too much on orkut, drew suspicious over himself, got his house searched and arrested because he had illegal weapons and connections with organized crime.
As it seems you are a proficient portuguese speaker, the lack of english translation (and historical background for the facts showed there) will not stop you to read and understand what is being said there.
Anyway, that's semantics. I made a mistake, tried to correct it, people understood what I tried to say and, if you are not happy, that is not my problem.
A very naive mistake, I admit. Blame it on what we call "false cognates". "Apologia", the portuguese word, translate s into "incitement", but the similarity between the words "apologia" and "apology" is just plain irresistible.
"Pedophiles and racists are chatting online. Read my lips. Big Fucking Deal."
Well, I stopped reading here, and I'm actually amazed by the fact that you got modded Interesting. You (and most people outside Brasil) doesn't know what "incitement" means in this context. (lol, you guys will not forgive me for the misplaced "apology", will you?). Mostly, because you guys don't have all the background stories that lead police and the judiciary system to assume this awkward move. Incitement here mean, in the case of the racists, mean that (a real case, not a hypothetical example) they choose a victim that matched their (less favourite) profile (a black young boy from a poor comunity), stalked him, harassed him and only didn't spanked him because his family was smart enough to call the police, that got the matter into their hands and sucessfully sued the leader of the group. It was not "I hate all black people, let's kill them all" kind of incitement, but "I hate John Doe profile #312312, let's trap him after school and kill him".
Brasilian judiciary system and law enforcement are very lenient (sometimes even naive) when it concerns to digital related crimes (that meaning they don't give a rat's ass to porn/warez/free speech/criticism/choose your favourite victim here), but when it crosses to the real world realm, they act with all the resources they have.
Aw, I forgot one thing. The general tone of most of the replies is that Brazilian judicial system is trying to strongarm google in some web search related issue, what is not true. They are trying to obligate google to comply with a subpoena on its children site, Orkut, regarding to the identity (at least useful data) of a suspect. Nothing that different from what *AA does to find file sharers, but on this case, real world real criminal data is beng subpoena'd by the real law enforcement. Nothing to see here, move along
Orkut is the most used and popular social networking site in my home country (Brazil), and its popularity can't be explained with words or analogies. (But I will try anyway;) )
Not having an Orkut account there (among teenagers and young adults from the middle/upper class) is something like not having an IM account or a cellphone, there are more than 5 Million users only from Brasil there, popular enough to force Google to provide a Brazilian Portuguese translation of the site, and to make Google to open a subsidiary there, to take advantage of this unexpected success.
The downside of the site is that brazilian people are very open and trusting, and the "invite-only" aspect of the site incentived from the very beggining the users to put their real data there, like friends, habits, pictures, etc (something similar to MySpace in the U.S.), and that attracted all kind of problems concerning to racism, gang rivaltry and child harassment. Not that it wouldn't happen in the real world anyway (Brasil has a lot of problems), it only moved to a different scenario, the internet.
As it is based on the concept "Communities" (similar to groups on yahoo groups), a lot of groups with dubious/illegal subjects popped up, groups endorsing racism, neo-nazi propaganda, child abuse and other illegal activities, crimes were planned and the results posted and commented in some of thoses threads. When the perpetrator was stupid enough to use his real information (and believe me, it happens every once in a while, stupid punks, althought it would be a violation of their TOS not provide real information heh), the police had no problem to find the criminal and prosecute. But when they hide behind fake profiles, the police has no other option other than subpoena the information to try to find the culprit.
Don't let the hype make you think this is another case of a country trying to "think of the children", Orkut has became a place where crime (or apology to crime, as it is also illegal in Brasil) has became a major problem and police and the justice system are having to deal with it adequatedly.
(For the ones who didn't got it, I'm brazilian and English is not my first language, so sorry for any eventual mistake)
"[A]n elegant mathematical formula that helped create a multi-trillion dollar industry" but that lead markets to "began to act in ways that no one had seen before and they began to lose 100 million and more, day after day after day, until finally there was one day when they dropped half a billion dollars, 500 million in a single day"
There are unpredictable variables in the market (as it mostly deals with human expectation on production and consumption), and computers are not 100% reliable when it comes to predicting random events. They may help, but not replace the human "gut feeling".
"Fucking Asia-Pacific region is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that region, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Asia-Pacific region."
* picks up a chair and throw it across the Pacific Ocean *
Slashdot Mirror
Oh, yeah, Malvinas, a small slip of the mind. Thank you.
Actually, it existed in Brazil both before and after CIA intervention. The only difference was that, well, the first wave had no training from CIA, and the second one had. Well, because everybody else were doing it, does it make right for CIA to employ this shameless tactic (back than, and now)? Actually, the worst part is not the fact that U.S. intelligency (and law enforcement, who knows?) is resorting to torture, but the fact of U.S. people refusal in admiting/acknowledging that is happening. That is sad, the king is nude but everybody is seeing the golden clothes.
Now, two semi-rhetorical questions:
1st) Is torture being practiced by/for U.S. government?
2nd) If so, is it right (ini any circunstance)?
That's the New testament. I find amazing that so called Christians disregard the very only commandment of Christ himself ("Love each other", specially your enemies) but go look for inspiration on King David slaughters to justify their wars.
You know what is sad? Being a Brazilian (and consequently a South American), I've studied (and saw the demise of) the exactly same thing that is happenning now on the U.S.: a mix of fascist and populist government, conducted mostly by the militar and industrial elite. It's all the seventies again, but this time, on North America instead of down South, and without the clear military coup. It is a proven working tactic: unite the people against a common enemy (like Argentina against England over Falklands/Maldivas island) so there is a "us vs. them" feeling, leaving no room to internal dissent, stir passionated nationalism (like Brasil with the Football world cups), use the internal GDP growth as a way to create an illusion of prosperity while, in the reality, the only thing that is growing is a concentration of the wealth (on of the Brasilian military slogans was something like "let's first make the cake grow and later, to share it", what, of course, never happen), institucionalize mistreatment of prisoners (you think CIA is not torturing, well, they taught Latin America dictators the joys of the interrogation tactics in the Escuela de las americas, and they used it gladly against the average joe when they got ride of all dissidents), etc.
The saddest part is that, at least down here, people took 30 years even to realize what was happenning, and even if the military regimes came down, people in politics are still the same, only changed the party names.
That is wrong for n=4. 2^4-1 = 16-1 = 15 = 3 * 5 Somehow, somewhere there is a math teach spinning on his/her grave right now.
From where did this "Islamofascist" expression came? I'm not a native english speaker, and this expression makes absolute no sense, except if I'm missing some context-dependent information that is out there. Islamic theocracy (that is, according to the most distorted views on both sides, the ultimate goal of the islamic terrorism) and fascism are so different concepts that "islamofascism" sounds like an oxymoron.
I don't know, I'm guessing here, but it sounds like an attempt to label the "other side" fascist, in order to evoke towards them the anti-fascist feelings that survived after the WWII, and also to avoid to be labeled themselves as fascists.
Anyway, it is a lame expression (meme) and I doubt there is an equivalent for it currently in use in any other country/language.
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I clicked on the link to Slashdot, and it creates a template for the exact submission that we are reading. Why not to cut some corners and, instead of requiring an user to click on the link, to subscribe slashdot to the rss feed of that site and automatically post the news here. Mod me down all you want, but accepting a story created by the very own site that posted the article and not even adding anything meaningful to it is way too much laziness, even for slashdot
True, there is a probable cause, and it is a little bit worse than "promoting hate", but "conspiring to commit a crime". One (of the many) examples that comes to my head is a group of neo-nazi that harassed a particular user (a black young boy) not only online (messaging him via the site, and creating a "community" with a "let's kill him" theme), but using the info they gathered about him on Orkut to harass him on his own homeplace.
Anyway, there are anti-discrimination laws in Brasil since the nineties, and racism (bigotry, in general) is a federal crime there. But, if I'm not wrong (IANAL), there is a difference in our law between "I hate " and "I hate you John Doe, you fucking ". The former counts as free speech, the latter doesn't. I may be wrong, I don't know.
"That way the people of Brazil would clearly know what the government is doing"
People of Brazil (including me) know exactly what the government is doing. It is going after people that are going beyond the "free speech" concept and getting into the "conspiracy to commit crime" realm. And it is not only about hate speech (that, in a certain extent, along with racism, is a crime in Brazil) but also members of criminal organizations ("traficantes") gloating about real world crimes like drug trafficking, weapon smuggling, etc.
This is not the government subpoena'ing for data of all users or random users, but users that broke the law in one way or another. There is probable cause, judicial oversight and a clear description of what is being searched.
(btw, as it is evident by some previous silly mistakes, english is not my first language)
Will it run on Linux? We don't want to feel left out again. These damned malware-laden proprietary crap!
"He should be locked up in a reading room with all the Harry Potter books. That'll learn him."
In Soviet America, Harry Potter books learn you!
I think it is because it changes something we were taught in our childhood, and took as granted. Similar to country name changes (for those unlucky African/Asian countries), currency name changes (EU/South American countries put your hands up), or measurement system changes (U.S. will eventually experience it). I bet most common people will shrug this new nomenclature and continue calling Pluto a planet.
As you pointed below:
"apologia: discurso ou texto em que se defende, justifica ou elogia (esp. alguma doutrina, ação, obra etc.) "
"apologia ao crime" = "discurso ou texto em que se defende, justifica ou elogia" algum crime.
I'm a native speaker, and aware of the coloquial meaning of the word. To illustrate the word, I will point to an example:
Preso mais um jovem por apologia ao crime no Orkut (Another youngster arrested for "apologia ao crime" on orkut.com)
The article is interesting both as an illustration of the correct use of the word (and the reason for what I mixed up the words) and as an illustration of how far incitement of crimes is going on orkut.com. In short, he talked too much on orkut, drew suspicious over himself, got his house searched and arrested because he had illegal weapons and connections with organized crime.
As it seems you are a proficient portuguese speaker, the lack of english translation (and historical background for the facts showed there) will not stop you to read and understand what is being said there.
Anyway, that's semantics. I made a mistake, tried to correct it, people understood what I tried to say and, if you are not happy, that is not my problem.
A very naive mistake, I admit. Blame it on what we call "false cognates". "Apologia", the portuguese word, translate s into "incitement", but the similarity between the words "apologia" and "apology" is just plain irresistible.
"Pedophiles and racists are chatting online. Read my lips. Big Fucking Deal."
Well, I stopped reading here, and I'm actually amazed by the fact that you got modded Interesting. You (and most people outside Brasil) doesn't know what "incitement" means in this context. (lol, you guys will not forgive me for the misplaced "apology", will you?). Mostly, because you guys don't have all the background stories that lead police and the judiciary system to assume this awkward move. Incitement here mean, in the case of the racists, mean that (a real case, not a hypothetical example) they choose a victim that matched their (less favourite) profile (a black young boy from a poor comunity), stalked him, harassed him and only didn't spanked him because his family was smart enough to call the police, that got the matter into their hands and sucessfully sued the leader of the group. It was not "I hate all black people, let's kill them all" kind of incitement, but "I hate John Doe profile #312312, let's trap him after school and kill him".
Brasilian judiciary system and law enforcement are very lenient (sometimes even naive) when it concerns to digital related crimes (that meaning they don't give a rat's ass to porn/warez/free speech/criticism/choose your favourite victim here), but when it crosses to the real world realm, they act with all the resources they have.
Lol, damn, I was trapped by a false cognate. I meant "incitement".
Aw, I forgot one thing. The general tone of most of the replies is that Brazilian judicial system is trying to strongarm google in some web search related issue, what is not true. They are trying to obligate google to comply with a subpoena on its children site, Orkut, regarding to the identity (at least useful data) of a suspect. Nothing that different from what *AA does to find file sharers, but on this case, real world real criminal data is beng subpoena'd by the real law enforcement. Nothing to see here, move along
Orkut is the most used and popular social networking site in my home country (Brazil), and its popularity can't be explained with words or analogies. (But I will try anyway ;) )
Not having an Orkut account there (among teenagers and young adults from the middle/upper class) is something like not having an IM account or a cellphone, there are more than 5 Million users only from Brasil there, popular enough to force Google to provide a Brazilian Portuguese translation of the site, and to make Google to open a subsidiary there, to take advantage of this unexpected success.
The downside of the site is that brazilian people are very open and trusting, and the "invite-only" aspect of the site incentived from the very beggining the users to put their real data there, like friends, habits, pictures, etc (something similar to MySpace in the U.S.), and that attracted all kind of problems concerning to racism, gang rivaltry and child harassment. Not that it wouldn't happen in the real world anyway (Brasil has a lot of problems), it only moved to a different scenario, the internet.
As it is based on the concept "Communities" (similar to groups on yahoo groups), a lot of groups with dubious/illegal subjects popped up, groups endorsing racism, neo-nazi propaganda, child abuse and other illegal activities, crimes were planned and the results posted and commented in some of thoses threads. When the perpetrator was stupid enough to use his real information (and believe me, it happens every once in a while, stupid punks, althought it would be a violation of their TOS not provide real information heh), the police had no problem to find the criminal and prosecute. But when they hide behind fake profiles, the police has no other option other than subpoena the information to try to find the culprit.
Don't let the hype make you think this is another case of a country trying to "think of the children", Orkut has became a place where crime (or apology to crime, as it is also illegal in Brasil) has became a major problem and police and the justice system are having to deal with it adequatedly. (For the ones who didn't got it, I'm brazilian and English is not my first language, so sorry for any eventual mistake)
How long until it is mandatory for all new drivers under a certain age limit (let's say, 18)?
That the market already played and lost once
"[A]n elegant mathematical formula that helped create a multi-trillion dollar industry" but that lead markets to "began to act in ways that no one had seen before and they began to lose 100 million and more, day after day after day, until finally there was one day when they dropped half a billion dollars, 500 million in a single day"
There are unpredictable variables in the market (as it mostly deals with human expectation on production and consumption), and computers are not 100% reliable when it comes to predicting random events. They may help, but not replace the human "gut feeling".
Welcome our new open source ontologic (and odontologic) overlords
"Fucking Asia-Pacific region is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that region, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Asia-Pacific region." * picks up a chair and throw it across the Pacific Ocean *
The magnetic Bungee Jump!
I, for one, welcome our closed source car trapping Giant Robots overlords
I wonder what would happen if these MS robots were used to perform surgeries ... Oh, wait, nevermind