But the key here is that you have started to change your statement.
No, I haven't. If (and that's a big if), there are a handful of good cops, my chances of meeting one are still negligible and, for all intents and purposes, I may still treat them as fictional characters. However, even that said, I admitted the *possibility*, not the actual existence. Same as I admit the possibility that a 3-headed cat may exist (2-headed kittens and a 3-headed turtle were documented), does not mean that I acknowledge their actual existence.
The *only* reason that I even mentioned the possibility is because you seem fixated on my words to the point of completely ignoring my assertions. And once again, you did not disappoint. Are you sure you're not a bible thumper?
Once you get to the point that they are individuals and some are good, some are bad, some have issues, and some are jerks
I have come to the conclusion that you are engaged in mental masturbation. So here's a challenge: either refute my assertions or, by failing to do so, show the/. community that you cannot.
You can not know every police officer yet you judge them all by a limited sample.
Reading comprehension failure. I did not base my dislike on a sample, limited or otherwise.
That is bigotry
Have you noticed that you used this word and variations thereof four times in this post? Looks to me like a need to constantly reaffirm an unsubstantiated belief.
You see it is simple logic bigotry is the dislike of all members of a group. You do not like all police officers because of some reasons justified and some reasons that are fuzzy thinking at best. It is the dislike of all police officers that makes you a bigot.
I also dislike the Cosa Nostra, the Soviet Communist Party (yes, I am old enough), the National Socialist German Workers' Party (I am not that old but I speak from historical perspective) and the Hell's Angels. I guess that makes me even more of a bigot in your eyes.
Let me guess you have never taken any formal logic or critical thinking courses at the university level?
You would be wrong.
If so I suggest you just from it as a logical syllogism
I have, you were just too dense to see it. Basically it goes like this: The police has a responsibility to uphold the law. Every cop that breaks the law, or does apply it equally, is a bad cop. Every cop who is aware of bad cops and does not actively work to cleanse the force of them is also a bad cop. A good cop, if one exists, will come into conflict with the bad cops, and such conflict will continue until the force becomes homogeneous. I see no evidence of such conflict (and believe me, I search for it), nobody can point me to evidence of such conflict and yet I see cops breaking the law almost daily.
Since I am talking about police as a group, I am willing to admit the possibility that individual "good cops" exist. However, their number, if any, is negligible and does not change the conclusion.
and you will see that yes you are a bigot.
Are you going to try and refute my observations or, perhaps, present any facts, or will you continue your imitation of a broken record?
I don't really care about your opinion. You have made up your mind before we started this discussion and nothing I would have said would have changed it. Just out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be religious, would you?
All the rest is justification.
Call it what you will, but I couldn't help but notice that you failed to even try to refute my observations and, instead repeatedly resorted to name-calling. I must say that it fits the profile.
Really why did you waste all of our time?
What's this "our" you speak of? Are you royalty? Or perhaps you're a spokesperson for some group? Or maybe you've got tapeworm?
Contrary to what you may believe, it is not -- and never was -- about you. I've written you off as a lost cause. However, this is an open forum and somebody may stumble across my post, read it, think about it (imagine that!), maybe do some research and form an opinion. Therefore, I consider my time writing the post reasonably well spent. Whether your time was is not my concern.
So stop voting for them then. Pretty simple solution, there is actually a third major party called the NDP, and if you don't like that there's independent candidates as well.
Haven't been voting for them for quite a while.
However, an individual vote is statistically insignificant, so I am trying to raise awareness in my fellow citizens and encourage them to take appropriate action as well. Thus my post above.
When are we going to enact legislation that disallows this kind of crap while in office, and prevents officials from going from their current position to a lobbying position so quickly?
Never.
Since the legislators directly benefit from "this kind of crap", it is not in their interest to outlaw it.
You statement that a video showing police possibly committing criminal acts was more realistic and representative of the actions of police officers as a whole than cops.
I do state that a candid filming of unaware people is more realistic than a TV "reality show". Anything regarding "representative" is your editorializing.
Do you have a general dislike of the police based on your limited dealings with them or not.
First tell me, have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Ignoring the issue of improperly formulated and loaded questions, let's address the issue: Do I have a general dislike of the police? Yes, I do. Is it based on my (limited or otherwise) dealings with them? Not really. It is mostly based on other things.
Let's start with human nature.
I do believe that Lord Acton's saying that power corrupts is true, that peer pressure and pressure by authority are powerful forces, and that dehumanizing "foes" helps deal with the cognitive dissonance of their immoral, unethical and outright criminal treatment; as demonstrated by the "third wave" experiment, the Milgram experiment, the Stanford prison experiment, etc. as well as the more recent Abu Ghraib incident.
Then, let's see how it applies to police.
Police, nowadays, have enormous power and almost no accountability. There are countless reports of people being excessively and unnecessarily tasered, maced or beaten, protesters being arrested en masse and then released without charges (after a couple of days in custody), and so on. I am not talking just about youtube videos, but major national newspapers and public TV and radio channels as well.
What bothers me most is that such abuses are almost universally buried, or, when too overt, downplayed. The perpetrators are not charged and are usually "punished" by their own system by giving them paid vacations (a.k.a "suspended with pay"). When (very rarely) such cases do reach the court of law, coworkers and superiors have no problem lying, suppressing or manufacturing evidence and otherwise subverting justice and get away with it. I often follow such cases years after the events only to find out that, once any media brouhaha has died out, they were quietly swept under the rugs.
Now, you may say that these are the exceptions rather than the rule, a few "bad apples" if you will. Fair enough, but an organization is judged by the way it treats its outliers. Instead of trying to clean up the ranks, police just closes them; they either actively protect their own or, at best, turn a blind eye -- even when the "their own" in question are better cast out. Which proves, to me, that the police is a thoroughly rotten organization.
But what about the "good cops"? I claim that there are none, because those that do no oppose evil, enable it by their inaction and are therefore no better than the "bad ones".
I was using the show Cops not to showcase the officers but the types of people and problems they have to deal with.
Nietzsche wrote: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you". Here's a small example I ran across while reading a police forum. The guy justifies planting a drop gun because "the bad guy came from a long, long line of local criminals and knew he had it coming". First you rationalize breaking the law because it puts away a crook, then it is to help a fellow officer who got a bad break, then it is for your own benefit and finally, you're so used to doing it, you no longer need a justification.
And if you insist on something from my own experience, I can volunteer the following anecdote. I drive a quite a bit on roads with speed traps. I also witness a lot of police cruiser drive o
I would say that your sample is very small a preselected to support your conclusion.
I don't recall our conversation touching on the points of evidence or supporting conclusions. As far as I understand, we were discussing entertainment: you suggested I watch a TV "reality show" (COPS) and I responded with stating that I prefer watching more realistic videos, where the participants are not aware they are being filmed. Concluding that my distaste of police is based solely on some internet videos is small-minded.
In other words, your bigotry is showing.
Interesting. You never asked for the reasons behind my statement, never mind given any, yet you have me all figured out. Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Would you have similarly accused me of bigotry if I had said that, for example, the GAI, were bad guys (without stating my reasons for thinking so)?
Would you accuse me of bigotry if I stated for the record that, so far, I am not terribly impressed by your logical thinking and reasoning prowess?
The fact that police abuse is reported on, and prosecuted shows this isn't a total police state. And the fact that you do have the freedom to question police proves it isn't a police state.
It is a sandboxed API, designed for creating self-contained, AppStore-ready applications.
[...]
You can still do whatever ugly hack you please on your system. It just wont be possible to publish that through the AppStore.
I was under the impression that WinRT apps can only be accessed through the Microsoft Store, so if you cannot publish it through the store, it cannot be distributed at all.
From the video it looked like he was trying to shut them up, and I'm sure some comeuppance is on the way, but lets not go nuts about the severity of the macing.
I've seen hundreds of people sprayed and never once have I seen anyone actually need medical treatment. I've seen dozens of hand to hand take-downs following careful training guidelines, and I've seen several broken limbs and a broken neck so severe that it caused an internal decapitation.
I'm glad that Tony Bologna sprayed those girls instead of trying to shut them up another way. People recover from being maced.
You, sir, are the lowliest piece of shit I have ever had the displeasure to run across on slashdot.
I personally think we are moving toward a world without politicians.
Personally, I feel that power becomes more concentrated, the gap between the haves and the have-nots grows and politicians (and lawyers) gain more control over our lives.
For every natural barrier we bring down, two artificial ones spring up.
It is an exciting time to be alive. We are discovering planets around stars that people didn't know even existed 50 years ago. We can communicate with people around the world in real-time for free. We have access to information that you would have had to be rich and/or connected to access.
Our culture is being locked down by middlemen, a piece at a time, for decades to come. Our governments spy on us and assassinate us with no due process. Progress is being hindered by rent-seeking patent trolls and "big players". Peoples' rights and liberties are being eroded in the name of "security" and "the children". The rich and powerful get huge handouts for sinking companies or ruining financial systems and the "have-nots" are left holding the bag. Countries wage unwinnable wars, often under false pretenses, cost (in lives and resources) be damned...
Slashdot Mirror
"Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes."
-- Edsger Dijkstra
The real money is in the trades.
Interesting.
Can you point me to a site that shows the median income for different kinds of trades?
Selective enforcement
This does not mean either that we will never listen to user feedback
"Never" is a strong word but I found that Google very rarely listens to user feedback.
Some cases in point:
Removing saved locations from Google maps (Alternatives: Bing maps, Yahoo maps, Mapquest).
Google toolbar breaking form functionality in FF (Alternative: SearchWP).
But the key here is that you have started to change your statement.
No, I haven't.
If (and that's a big if), there are a handful of good cops, my chances of meeting one are still negligible and, for all intents and purposes, I may still treat them as fictional characters. However, even that said, I admitted the *possibility*, not the actual existence. Same as I admit the possibility that a 3-headed cat may exist (2-headed kittens and a 3-headed turtle were documented), does not mean that I acknowledge their actual existence.
The *only* reason that I even mentioned the possibility is because you seem fixated on my words to the point of completely ignoring my assertions. And once again, you did not disappoint. Are you sure you're not a bible thumper?
Once you get to the point that they are individuals and some are good, some are bad, some have issues, and some are jerks
I have come to the conclusion that you are engaged in mental masturbation. So here's a challenge: either refute my assertions or, by failing to do so, show the /. community that you cannot.
I predict that you will not.
My, my... This is getting entertaining.
Funny but I figure you are also a lost cause.
Coning from you, I take it as a complement.
You can not know every police officer yet you judge them all by a limited sample.
Reading comprehension failure. I did not base my dislike on a sample, limited or otherwise.
That is bigotry
Have you noticed that you used this word and variations thereof four times in this post? Looks to me like a need to constantly reaffirm an unsubstantiated belief.
You see it is simple logic bigotry is the dislike of all members of a group. You do not like all police officers because of some reasons justified and some reasons that are fuzzy thinking at best. It is the dislike of all police officers that makes you a bigot.
I also dislike the Cosa Nostra, the Soviet Communist Party (yes, I am old enough), the National Socialist German Workers' Party (I am not that old but I speak from historical perspective) and the Hell's Angels. I guess that makes me even more of a bigot in your eyes.
Let me guess you have never taken any formal logic or critical thinking courses at the university level?
You would be wrong.
If so I suggest you just from it as a logical syllogism
I have, you were just too dense to see it. Basically it goes like this: The police has a responsibility to uphold the law. Every cop that breaks the law, or does apply it equally, is a bad cop. Every cop who is aware of bad cops and does not actively work to cleanse the force of them is also a bad cop. A good cop, if one exists, will come into conflict with the bad cops, and such conflict will continue until the force becomes homogeneous. I see no evidence of such conflict (and believe me, I search for it), nobody can point me to evidence of such conflict and yet I see cops breaking the law almost daily.
Since I am talking about police as a group, I am willing to admit the possibility that individual "good cops" exist. However, their number, if any, is negligible and does not change the conclusion.
and you will see that yes you are a bigot.
Are you going to try and refute my observations or, perhaps, present any facts, or will you continue your imitation of a broken record?
The answer was yes you are a bigot.
I don't really care about your opinion. You have made up your mind before we started this discussion and nothing I would have said would have changed it. Just out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be religious, would you?
All the rest is justification.
Call it what you will, but I couldn't help but notice that you failed to even try to refute my observations and, instead repeatedly resorted to name-calling. I must say that it fits the profile.
Really why did you waste all of our time?
What's this "our" you speak of? Are you royalty? Or perhaps you're a spokesperson for some group? Or maybe you've got tapeworm?
Contrary to what you may believe, it is not -- and never was -- about you. I've written you off as a lost cause. However, this is an open forum and somebody may stumble across my post, read it, think about it (imagine that!), maybe do some research and form an opinion. Therefore, I consider my time writing the post reasonably well spent. Whether your time was is not my concern.
So stop voting for them then. Pretty simple solution, there is actually a third major party called the NDP, and if you don't like that there's independent candidates as well.
Haven't been voting for them for quite a while.
However, an individual vote is statistically insignificant, so I am trying to raise awareness in my fellow citizens and encourage them to take appropriate action as well. Thus my post above.
When are we going to enact legislation that disallows this kind of crap while in office, and prevents officials from going from their current position to a lobbying position so quickly?
Never.
Since the legislators directly benefit from "this kind of crap", it is not in their interest to outlaw it.
I hope it also reminds you to Sharpie your contact's telephone number to your arm before you go out.
Unless you're in Canada where, apparently, having a lawyer's number on your arm is "conspiracy to commit mischief"
Which just goes to show that neither the Libs nor the PCs give a flying fuck about personal rights, due process, etc.
You statement that a video showing police possibly committing criminal acts was more realistic and representative of the actions of police officers as a whole than cops.
I do state that a candid filming of unaware people is more realistic than a TV "reality show".
Anything regarding "representative" is your editorializing.
Do you have a general dislike of the police based on your limited dealings with them or not.
First tell me, have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Ignoring the issue of improperly formulated and loaded questions, let's address the issue:
Do I have a general dislike of the police? Yes, I do.
Is it based on my (limited or otherwise) dealings with them? Not really. It is mostly based on other things.
Let's start with human nature.
I do believe that Lord Acton's saying that power corrupts is true, that peer pressure and pressure by authority are powerful forces, and that dehumanizing "foes" helps deal with the cognitive dissonance of their immoral, unethical and outright criminal treatment; as demonstrated by the "third wave" experiment, the Milgram experiment, the Stanford prison experiment, etc. as well as the more recent Abu Ghraib incident.
Then, let's see how it applies to police.
Police, nowadays, have enormous power and almost no accountability. There are countless reports of people being excessively and unnecessarily tasered, maced or beaten, protesters being arrested en masse and then released without charges (after a couple of days in custody), and so on. I am not talking just about youtube videos, but major national newspapers and public TV and radio channels as well.
What bothers me most is that such abuses are almost universally buried, or, when too overt, downplayed. The perpetrators are not charged and are usually "punished" by their own system by giving them paid vacations (a.k.a "suspended with pay"). When (very rarely) such cases do reach the court of law, coworkers and superiors have no problem lying, suppressing or manufacturing evidence and otherwise subverting justice and get away with it. I often follow such cases years after the events only to find out that, once any media brouhaha has died out, they were quietly swept under the rugs.
Now, you may say that these are the exceptions rather than the rule, a few "bad apples" if you will. Fair enough, but an organization is judged by the way it treats its outliers. Instead of trying to clean up the ranks, police just closes them; they either actively protect their own or, at best, turn a blind eye -- even when the "their own" in question are better cast out. Which proves, to me, that the police is a thoroughly rotten organization.
But what about the "good cops"? I claim that there are none, because those that do no oppose evil, enable it by their inaction and are therefore no better than the "bad ones".
I was using the show Cops not to showcase the officers but the types of people and problems they have to deal with.
Nietzsche wrote: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you". Here's a small example I ran across while reading a police forum. The guy justifies planting a drop gun because "the bad guy came from a long, long line of local criminals and knew he had it coming". First you rationalize breaking the law because it puts away a crook, then it is to help a fellow officer who got a bad break, then it is for your own benefit and finally, you're so used to doing it, you no longer need a justification.
And if you insist on something from my own experience, I can volunteer the following anecdote. I drive a quite a bit on roads with speed traps. I also witness a lot of police cruiser drive o
In other words, nature abhors a vacuum.
I would say that your sample is very small a preselected to support your conclusion.
I don't recall our conversation touching on the points of evidence or supporting conclusions. As far as I understand, we were discussing entertainment: you suggested I watch a TV "reality show" (COPS) and I responded with stating that I prefer watching more realistic videos, where the participants are not aware they are being filmed. Concluding that my distaste of police is based solely on some internet videos is small-minded.
In other words, your bigotry is showing.
Interesting. You never asked for the reasons behind my statement, never mind given any, yet you have me all figured out. Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Would you have similarly accused me of bigotry if I had said that, for example, the GAI, were bad guys (without stating my reasons for thinking so)?
Would you accuse me of bigotry if I stated for the record that, so far, I am not terribly impressed by your logical thinking and reasoning prowess?
Day after day they have to deal with the scum of society.
You mean their co-workers?
Just watch Cops
I have more realistic things to watch.
The fact that police abuse is reported on, and prosecuted shows this isn't a total police state. And the fact that you do have the freedom to question police proves it isn't a police state.
Patience, my friend. Give it time...
WinRT ...
It is a sandboxed API, designed for creating self-contained, AppStore-ready applications.
[...]
You can still do whatever ugly hack you please on your system. It just wont be possible to publish that through the AppStore.
I was under the impression that WinRT apps can only be accessed through the Microsoft Store, so if you cannot publish it through the store, it cannot be distributed at all.
From the video it looked like he was trying to shut them up, and I'm sure some comeuppance is on the way, but lets not go nuts about the severity of the macing.
I've seen hundreds of people sprayed and never once have I seen anyone actually need medical treatment. I've seen dozens of hand to hand take-downs following careful training guidelines, and I've seen several broken limbs and a broken neck so severe that it caused an internal decapitation.
I'm glad that Tony Bologna sprayed those girls instead of trying to shut them up another way. People recover from being maced.
You, sir, are the lowliest piece of shit I have ever had the displeasure to run across on slashdot.
Ironically or maybe sadly he got more of a punishment than that NYC cop who maced those protesting girls, for no reason.
To every super-hero there is always an equal and opposite super-villain.
It wasn't until I read your comment that I realized the guy you replied to was describing the bad guys.
I thought he meant the police.
The police *are* the bad guys.
I personally think we are moving toward a world without politicians.
Personally, I feel that power becomes more concentrated, the gap between the haves and the have-nots grows and politicians (and lawyers) gain more control over our lives.
For every natural barrier we bring down, two artificial ones spring up.
It is an exciting time to be alive. We are discovering planets around stars that people didn't know even existed 50 years ago. We can communicate with people around the world in real-time for free. We have access to information that you would have had to be rich and/or connected to access.
Our culture is being locked down by middlemen, a piece at a time, for decades to come. Our governments spy on us and assassinate us with no due process. Progress is being hindered by rent-seeking patent trolls and "big players". Peoples' rights and liberties are being eroded in the name of "security" and "the children". The rich and powerful get huge handouts for sinking companies or ruining financial systems and the "have-nots" are left holding the bag. Countries wage unwinnable wars, often under false pretenses, cost (in lives and resources) be damned...
Yes, these are truly exciting times we live in.
subject says it all
It's a zunbie!
The original Tomato has no support for 802.11n.
Even the derivatives support a very small number of N routers.