After much yelling and screaming on the CentOS mailing list, I still see *nothing* that was so broken or unwieldly in SysV that it needed to be completely replaced. And by something that requires a lot more typing.
And I *so* enjoy telling a service to start, and having *zero* feedback.
Of course they're using tax shelters to avoid paying taxes that they legitimately owe.
And I'm also... not sure if amused is the right word... at the GOP/Libertarians here who think this is just great... and then turn around and yell about the US national debt, and raising *their* income taxes.
mark "there are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers"
And here I thought the factual evidence was that the petrochemical industry was pouring literally tens of millions to deny it, creating and funding think tanks, TV ads, and paying politicians, oh, sorry, bundlng campaign contributions, and dumping into 527s (is it?)
mark "there are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires... and suckers"
Unless *all* datafiles on your client's system are encrypted, also, and I don't think even that's enough.
ObDisclosure: I worked for about 4 months on a contract at Trustwave, a root CA.
Leaving that huge hole in your defenses... I suggest you look, if you don't already know, at .
From the 1.2 std: "Firewalls are a key protection mechanism for any computer network. Other system components may provide Firewall functionality, provided they meet the minimum requirements for Firewalls as provided in Requirement"
Even all data between two systems *MUST* be encrypted, for full compliance, if you're doing your own.
So, what this vendor is doing... I'd say you and your client need to reread the contract *VERY* closely, and if they say they're adhering to stds, they're in violation of the contract.
I just skimmed half of the 300 or so comments, and have yet to see anyone consider the point of the article, rather than whether they said "Red Bull is a gateway drug".
Y'know, the real point: upper managers, under the heel of venture capital who want 1000% ROI next week, giving people insanely impossible deadlines, and then getting them (under threat of being fired) to work far beyond any reason when it's not a disaster zone (say, a flood) or the middle of a war zone.
And if you work like that, with not a trace of a life, and think you're Important, there's another word for you: sucker. I'd even add stupid sucker.
mark, who swore he'd never do that again after breaking 70 hours in one week in the mid-nineties
(and did I mention the pagers?)*
* Admittedly, not crazy enough to do what one of the young what-was-then-Anderson Consulting guys did: 1 week, 119 hours....
In fact, this makes perfect sense. Consider that we *know* black holes evaporate via Hawking radiation. I haven't read the paper, but unless I miss my guess, what he's effectively suggesting is that the evaporation starts as the star collapses, and becomes stronger as it grows more dense, to the point where a balance is reached, *above* the Schwartschild Radius.
I saw someone suggesting that the users should play nice. That'd be great... and maybe they did, 30 years ago. (We'll ignore the late 80's early 90's stealing of someone else in the lab's xterm....)
I had a user last year - an intern - like everyone, NFS-mounted home directory. It was, of course, shared with a good number of other users. He ran a job that dumped a logfile in his home directory. MANY gigs of logfile, enough to blow out the filesystem. Users were not amused. *I* was NOT AMUSED, as my home directory was on this system, and my login was screwed up, as well as my firefox bookmarks.....
My question is what order of magnitude number of users - tens? hundreds? more? If Sometimes, human to human works.
ulimit might help, too. So might putting the abusers' home directories on the same filesystem, and let them duke it out....
Do you still have the box your computer came in? Good, please turn off your computer, disconnect it, and ship it back. Why? Becuase you're too fscking stupid and ignorant to use one. And as to why you even thought you should comment on something that you have no clue about, other than to display your gross ignorance in public, like a baboon's ass, I have no idea.
*Microsoft* is working on intrusive software to predict buggy code? I can do that without software - just point at the Microsoft campus, and any and all products....
Is making any species extinct a good idea? If so, why?
I mean, if it had been destroyed in '86, we'd never have sequenced it. What more info can we get from it 10 or 20 years from now?
Also, this whole "debacle" is massively overblown. Note that a) the amules were all still securely sealed, and in appropriate storage... it's just that they should have been known, and put in recorded storage.
For that matter, where's whatever you were looking for at home? Or when was the last time your boss asked you to find something that you spend hours, or weeks, on and off, looking for? Now let's talk about the NIH campus in Bethesda, with (depending on your sources) somewhere betwwn 18,000 and 35,000 people who work there every day, and sixty or eighty buildings, including a large hospital. That is *not* a small place to misplace something.
Oh, and I've yet to see or hear *anything* as to *why* it was left there. Was the team that was working on it laid off, or reorganized somewhere else?
It can't work. I mean, no collider or supercollider can work, if they're built by a GOVERNMENT! Only private industry can build a working one...*
Oh, that's right, all of them were build by governments. No company's going to do it, because there's no ROI, or if there is, it may not be for decades....
mark
* Satire of libertarians, for libertarians, and others who aren't familiar with satire....
a) At least two of the three authors are from business schools. They don't appear to be social scientists or psychologists. b) Read the summary, and tell me that isn't showing outright bias and intent to find results to match preconceptions.
This isn't even vaguely science, it's propaganda. For extra credit, do the same study with people of East German origin and hedge fund managers and traders.
And even between myself and my wife, who's much more of a tv addict, I have grave doubts that we watch 12 channels. Unfortunately, one or two of them are part of a bundle (except on DirecTV), or we could get by for less $$.
Cafe choice of channels? That's too hard for the cable companies.... (Hell, give me BBCA and you can take away *every* ESPN channel there is, but I have no choice, I have to pay for them in the bundle.)
Given the total one-sidedness of western media on coverage of the Ukraine. "Oooh, he said 'fascist', we've got the cooties!", when one of the three groups of the current government *are* outright right-wing fascists.
Oh, and while you're at it, can someone explain to me how the current government making a military assault on the seperatists is different than the previous *elected* government's use of snipers and the police forces? Oh, that's right, this government's using the military against its own people....
I mean, other than the big money in the petrochemical industry, and their suckers on their teat, who pretends it's not real, nor human-caused?
And for you suckers who aren't getting money from them, let me ask you this: are you saying that we're *NOT* good enough to work out other sources of energy, and that we're too *dumb* to be able to reengineer the way we do things to cut carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions? Or maybe that you can't wrap your heads around the tech, and so won't be able to make the big bucks from investing in, and inventing, that tech?
So, sorry. Your kids will hate your guts for not doing something... oh, that's right, you don't have any.
Btw, I read that the last quarter, I think, Texas generated 35% of it's *total* electircal use by wind power.
Up into the oughts, ISPs were legally common carriers, not liable for the contents of what you put up/sent. This would just be a return to that status... and would be a hell of a lot better for 'Net freedom.
Or more. Our VW key mostly stopped working. We had the battery changed at the dealers (was that $60?)... and it still wasn't working. They couldn't promise anything else would work, short of going into the receiver in the car, with no estimate on how much *that* might cost.
At least it *does* have a physical key, and they hit us up for another $60? $120? to "reprogram" the car so that we could lock it with the physical key.
Cost of physical key lock: probably $5 for the quantities they buy in. Cost of radio and computer: probably more than a Raspberry Pi. Cost of repairs: don't ask.
Really? I work for a (civilian sector) US gov't agency. Several years ago, one of our Sun/Oracle servers had motherboard problems. It was still under warranty. It took a MONTH for their FE to get out and replace the m/b, and that includes two *weeks* of exchanging emails with a technical support in Chile, who was working on a number of other things, and I couldn't call the guy.... Then there was the in-country engineer... who *ONLY* worked 3rd shift, and the "I'm the manager, I'm taking ownership" that I got, three days in a row, from three different managers.
The US gov't ain't big enough for Larry?
Some companies just don't care. Anyone trying to claim M$ cares?
...and remember, sometimes, "Go home, go home" (consider the Muppet characters) is the answer.
In my mid-forties, I worked for about two years with a former Baby Bell (now eaten). We were a startup division, meant to be their entry in the long-distance sweepstakes. Management *very* frequently was running on the the apparent idea that you write all this stuff the way they do in the movies, and I heard "whatever it takes" *FAR* too fucking often. And it wasn't my manager, or even my director, it was upper management. I swore I'd never do that again, the week I broke 70 hours; my dba said the same thing the week he broke 80.
After about a year of this, my late wife made semi-serious jokes about suing the company for alienation of affection. Consider your family.
But we were just pikers. Anderson Consulting (now Accenture) treats their folks like consumables/disposable. One young guy - a lot of them, this was their first job out of college, and we had a *LOT* of them - on week did, and I kid you not, he told me 119 hours in one week. They had him in a motel down the road.... He was working for a different, and better, consulting company a year later.
That's crazy. You'll be vastly more productive if you go home and get a night's sleep, and DON'T THINK about work - your subconscious will do a better job of it that way.
Oh, and for the young fools who think this is the way things should be... my "normal" day was 9.5 - 10 hours/day (not counting lunch) - I did that crazy bunch of hours after the architecture team gave a Pronouncement that everyone had to get their prototype makefile modified so that they could do the nightly rebuild of everything, and when I asked where they were going to get the resources for that, they said they'd find it. Now, some teams were building manually, and some with shell scripts, and...so this was a good idea. But from their prototype?. A week later, all our managers got a letter wanting their senior tech person for a week to do it. This was the end of October. The second week in January, I stood up in the every morning meeting, and announced that I had validated their build.
I was the *very* *first* person to get it working. Experience *does* count, kiddies and CEOs, and you get what you pay for.
Oh, and the summer before I left, a friend who's a degreed praticing psychologist said it was her professional opinion that I was that close to clinical burnout... so, seriously, watch yourself, and keep open the option of saying goodbye.
I know you don't do anything so twentietch-century as "reading novels", but certainly Doc Smith had force fields in the Skylark of Space, published 1928.
So, tell me why it is that you can't at least filter this crap? This *ain;t* the way slashdot was even five years ago, much less 10 or 15.
And as for this anon coward: boy, what is this? Your folks aren't reading this, so who are you trying to shock... or are you just going to point out "look what I posted" to the rest of your 15 yr old stupid buddies, who are so tough my cat would send you to the hospital, and you'd never touch him.
Or are you on something that oine of your "cool" buddies got you? You'll probably die before you're 23, having ingested something with, oh, drain cleaner.
Actually, that wouldn't be bad - it would get you out of the shallow end of the gene pool.
Let's see, when I got hired as a programmer in '80, we punched our own cards, and handed them in. As many times as we needed to. By '81? '82? We had time-shared terminals, and entered them online.
Let's see, there's at least tens of thousands of SF anf Fantasy novels out there, maybe hundreds of thousands, and some have won awards as being well worth reading.
But we'll go come up with something that Hollywood producers (IQ == belt size) will understand, who will approach it with the following ideas
1. We've got Names! We've got SPECIAL EFFECTS! Why would we need plot, continuity, stories worth watching?
All we need is EXPLOSIONS!!!
2. All geeks are all stupid, and they'll watch anything we film, esp. if there's sexy babes and EXPLOSIONS!
mark "so, when are they going to do, say Bujold's Miles series, or Robinson's Mars series, or...."
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After much yelling and screaming on the CentOS mailing list, I still see *nothing* that was so broken or unwieldly in SysV that it needed to be completely replaced. And by something that requires a lot more typing.
And I *so* enjoy telling a service to start, and having *zero* feedback.
While we're at it... GRUB2 MUST DIE!
mark
Of course they're using tax shelters to avoid paying taxes that they legitimately owe.
And I'm also... not sure if amused is the right word... at the GOP/Libertarians here who think this is just great... and then turn around and yell about the US national debt, and raising *their* income taxes.
mark "there are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers"
Who built the rocket and spacecraft? Was it the Indian space agency, or was it built by large aerospace companies for India?
mark "is he suggesting that the govenment, on civil service wages, could do it cheaper?"
As witnessed by the 100+line stack traces when tomcat crashes....
mark
Really? Where can I sign up for some?
And here I thought the factual evidence was that the petrochemical industry was pouring literally tens of millions to deny it, creating and funding think tanks, TV ads, and paying politicians, oh, sorry, bundlng campaign contributions, and dumping into 527s (is it?)
mark "there are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires... and suckers"
Unless *all* datafiles on your client's system are encrypted, also, and I don't think even that's enough.
ObDisclosure: I worked for about 4 months on a contract at Trustwave, a root CA.
Leaving that huge hole in your defenses... I suggest you look, if you don't already know, at .
From the 1.2 std: "Firewalls are a key protection mechanism for any computer network. Other system components may provide Firewall functionality, provided they meet the minimum requirements for Firewalls as provided in Requirement"
Even all data between two systems *MUST* be encrypted, for full compliance, if you're doing your own.
So, what this vendor is doing... I'd say you and your client need to reread the contract *VERY* closely, and if they say they're adhering to stds, they're in violation of the contract.
mark
I just skimmed half of the 300 or so comments, and have yet to see anyone consider the point of the article, rather than whether they said "Red Bull is a gateway drug".
Y'know, the real point: upper managers, under the heel of venture capital who want 1000% ROI next week, giving people insanely impossible deadlines, and then getting them (under threat of being fired) to work far beyond any reason when it's not a disaster zone (say, a flood) or the middle of a war zone.
And if you work like that, with not a trace of a life, and think you're Important, there's another word for you: sucker. I'd even add stupid sucker.
mark, who swore he'd never do that again after breaking 70 hours in one week in the mid-nineties
(and did I mention the pagers?)*
* Admittedly, not crazy enough to do what one of the young what-was-then-Anderson Consulting guys did: 1 week, 119 hours....
In fact, this makes perfect sense. Consider that we *know* black holes evaporate via Hawking radiation. I haven't read the paper, but unless I miss my guess, what he's effectively suggesting is that the evaporation starts as the star collapses, and becomes stronger as it grows more dense, to the point where a balance is reached, *above* the Schwartschild Radius.
mark
I saw someone suggesting that the users should play nice. That'd be great... and maybe they did, 30 years ago. (We'll ignore the late 80's early 90's stealing of someone else in the lab's xterm....)
I had a user last year - an intern - like everyone, NFS-mounted home directory. It was, of course, shared with a good number of other users. He ran a job that dumped a logfile in his home directory. MANY gigs of logfile, enough to blow out the filesystem. Users were not amused. *I* was NOT AMUSED, as my home directory was on this system, and my login was screwed up, as well as my firefox bookmarks.....
My question is what order of magnitude number of users - tens? hundreds? more? If Sometimes, human to human works.
ulimit might help, too. So might putting the abusers' home directories on the same filesystem, and let them duke it out....
mark
Do you still have the box your computer came in?
Good, please turn off your computer, disconnect it, and ship it back.
Why?
Becuase you're too fscking stupid and ignorant to use one. And as to why you even thought you should comment on something that you have no clue about, other than to display your gross ignorance in public, like a baboon's ass, I have no idea.
mark
*Microsoft* is working on intrusive software to predict buggy code? I can do that without software - just point at the Microsoft campus, and any and all products....
mark
Is making any species extinct a good idea? If so, why?
I mean, if it had been destroyed in '86, we'd never have sequenced it. What more info can we get from it 10 or 20 years from now?
Also, this whole "debacle" is massively overblown. Note that a) the amules were all still securely sealed, and in appropriate storage... it's just that they should have been known, and put in recorded storage.
For that matter, where's whatever you were looking for at home? Or when was the last time your boss asked you to find something that you spend hours, or weeks, on and off, looking for? Now let's talk about the NIH campus in Bethesda, with (depending on your sources) somewhere betwwn 18,000 and 35,000 people who work there every day, and sixty or eighty buildings, including a large hospital. That is *not* a small place to misplace something.
Oh, and I've yet to see or hear *anything* as to *why* it was left there. Was the team that was working on it laid off, or reorganized somewhere else?
No, destroying it all's a bad idea.
mark
It can't work. I mean, no collider or supercollider can work, if they're built by a GOVERNMENT! Only private industry can build a working one...*
Oh, that's right, all of them were build by governments. No company's going to do it, because there's no ROI, or if there is, it may not be for decades....
mark
* Satire of libertarians, for libertarians, and others who aren't familiar with satire....
a) At least two of the three authors are from business schools. They don't appear to be social scientists or psychologists.
b) Read the summary, and tell me that isn't showing outright bias and intent to find results to match preconceptions.
This isn't even vaguely science, it's propaganda. For extra credit, do the same study with people of East German origin and hedge fund managers and traders.
mark
757 channels and nothing's on....
And even between myself and my wife, who's much more of a tv addict, I have grave doubts that we watch 12 channels. Unfortunately, one or two of them are part of a bundle (except on DirecTV), or we could get by for less $$.
Cafe choice of channels? That's too hard for the cable companies.... (Hell, give me BBCA and you can take away *every* ESPN channel there is, but I have no choice, I have to pay for them in the bundle.)
mark
Given the total one-sidedness of western media on coverage of the Ukraine. "Oooh, he said 'fascist', we've got the cooties!", when one of the three groups of the current government *are* outright right-wing fascists.
Oh, and while you're at it, can someone explain to me how the current government making a military assault on the seperatists is different than the previous *elected* government's use of snipers and the police forces? Oh, that's right, this government's using the military against its own people....
mark
I mean, other than the big money in the petrochemical industry, and their suckers on their teat, who pretends it's not real, nor human-caused?
And for you suckers who aren't getting money from them, let me ask you this: are you saying that we're *NOT* good enough to work out other sources of energy, and that we're too *dumb* to be able to reengineer the way we do things to cut carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions? Or maybe that you can't wrap your heads around the tech, and so won't be able to make the big bucks from investing in, and inventing, that tech?
So, sorry. Your kids will hate your guts for not doing something... oh, that's right, you don't have any.
Btw, I read that the last quarter, I think, Texas generated 35% of it's *total* electircal use by wind power.
mark
Up into the oughts, ISPs were legally common carriers, not liable for the contents of what you put up/sent. This would just be a return to that status... and would be a hell of a lot better for 'Net freedom.
mark
Or more. Our VW key mostly stopped working. We had the battery changed at the dealers (was that $60?)... and it still wasn't working. They couldn't promise anything else would work, short of going into the receiver in the car, with no estimate on how much *that* might cost.
At least it *does* have a physical key, and they hit us up for another $60? $120? to "reprogram" the car so that we could lock it with the physical key.
Cost of physical key lock: probably $5 for the quantities they buy in.
Cost of radio and computer: probably more than a Raspberry Pi.
Cost of repairs: don't ask.
mark
Really? I work for a (civilian sector) US gov't agency. Several years ago, one of our Sun/Oracle servers had motherboard problems. It was still under warranty. It took a MONTH for their FE to get out and replace the m/b, and that includes two *weeks* of exchanging emails with a technical support in Chile, who was working on a number of other things, and I couldn't call the guy.... Then there was the in-country engineer... who *ONLY* worked 3rd shift, and the "I'm the manager, I'm taking ownership" that I got, three days in a row, from three different managers.
The US gov't ain't big enough for Larry?
Some companies just don't care. Anyone trying to claim M$ cares?
mark
...and remember, sometimes, "Go home, go home" (consider the Muppet characters) is the answer.
In my mid-forties, I worked for about two years with a former Baby Bell (now eaten). We were a startup division, meant to be their entry in the long-distance sweepstakes. Management *very* frequently was running on the the apparent idea that you write all this stuff the way they do in the movies, and I heard "whatever it takes" *FAR* too fucking often. And it wasn't my manager, or even my director, it was upper management. I swore I'd never do that again, the week I broke 70 hours; my dba said the same thing the week he broke 80.
After about a year of this, my late wife made semi-serious jokes about suing the company for alienation of affection. Consider your family.
But we were just pikers. Anderson Consulting (now Accenture) treats their folks like consumables/disposable. One young guy - a lot of them, this was their first job out of college, and we had a *LOT* of them - on week did, and I kid you not, he told me 119 hours in one week. They had him in a motel down the road.... He was working for a different, and better, consulting company a year later.
That's crazy. You'll be vastly more productive if you go home and get a night's sleep, and DON'T THINK about work - your subconscious will do a better job of it that way.
Oh, and for the young fools who think this is the way things should be... my "normal" day was 9.5 - 10 hours/day (not counting lunch) - I did that crazy bunch of hours after the architecture team gave a Pronouncement that everyone had to get their prototype makefile modified so that they could do the nightly rebuild of everything, and when I asked where they were going to get the resources for that, they said they'd find it. Now, some teams were building manually, and some with shell scripts, and...so this was a good idea. But from their prototype?. A week later, all our managers got a letter wanting their senior tech person for a week to do it. This was the end of October. The second week in January, I stood up in the every morning meeting, and announced that I had validated their build.
I was the *very* *first* person to get it working. Experience *does* count, kiddies and CEOs, and you get what you pay for.
Oh, and the summer before I left, a friend who's a degreed praticing psychologist said it was her professional opinion that I was that close to clinical burnout... so, seriously, watch yourself, and keep open the option of saying goodbye.
mark
I know you don't do anything so twentietch-century as "reading novels", but certainly Doc Smith had force fields in the Skylark of Space, published 1928.
mark
So, tell me why it is that you can't at least filter this crap? This *ain;t* the way slashdot was even five years ago, much less 10 or 15.
And as for this anon coward: boy, what is this? Your folks aren't reading this, so who are you trying to shock... or are you just going to point out "look what I posted" to the rest of your 15 yr old stupid buddies, who are so tough my cat would send you to the hospital, and you'd never touch him.
Or are you on something that oine of your "cool" buddies got you? You'll probably die before you're 23, having ingested something with, oh, drain cleaner.
Actually, that wouldn't be bad - it would get you out of the shallow end of the gene pool.
Go away, kid, you bother us.
mark
Let's see, when I got hired as a programmer in '80, we punched our own cards, and handed them in. As many times as we needed to. By '81? '82? We had time-shared terminals, and entered them online.
And this was a community college in the US.
mark
Let's see, there's at least tens of thousands of SF anf Fantasy novels out there, maybe hundreds of thousands, and some have won awards as being well worth reading.
But we'll go come up with something that Hollywood producers (IQ == belt size) will understand, who will approach it with the following ideas
1. We've got Names! We've got SPECIAL EFFECTS! Why would we need plot, continuity, stories worth watching?
All we need is EXPLOSIONS!!!
2. All geeks are all stupid, and they'll watch anything we film, esp. if there's sexy babes and EXPLOSIONS!
mark "so, when are they going to do, say Bujold's Miles series, or Robinson's Mars series, or...."