Though I have been following software patents closely, it has no bearing on my question/comment. One of two things will happen, they will either license this to other vendors for a fee where they can manufacture it or they will not and only build them themselves. If they license it, they can charge a fee that is either reasonable or exorbitant. If they build it in house they can charge whatever they want. Though either option is their right, I, as a consumer, would like to see this product come to the consumer market at a reasonable price, thus my question/comment.
And no, they do not have to be price competitive to make a profit. This has been proven many times over. Since they have, according to TFA, a superior product, they have the option of producing it in low volume and charge a high price for the high end server and gamer market. If you insist on a citation, just look at Apple. They produce in low volume, charge a high fee and make a large profit because their customers believe they make a superior product. And I don't have to agree with it for the last sentence to be true.
This invention means jack to me, as a consumer, if they take the Apple route. Thus, my original comment.
Well, not directly related to TFA, the main problem from what I hear is that there are no decent engineering jobs in the US so any decent or good engineers are finding other lines of work and college students are taking other majors that are either easier and/or will give better paying jobs. You know that huge glut of MBAs in the 1990s and 2000s? So, there is an engineer shortage but, it's a chicken and egg problem now. Until there are engineering jobs, there will be no engineers and right now, unless the federal government does it, I don't see any engineering jobs being created in the US in the next few decades.
I can't believe people still try to argue this point. Here's your citations:
General Rule: Fiduciary Duties owed to Corporation and Shareholders
Directors of financially healthy corporations owe fiduciary duties to the
corporation itself and its shareholders. See, e.g., Revlon v. MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings
Inc., 506 A.2d 173, 179 (Del. 1986). Courts have generally held that directors of such
corporations do not owe fiduciary duties to other constituencies, such as creditors, whose rights
are purely contractual. See, e.g., Katz v. Oak Indus., 508 A.2d 873, 879 (Del. Ch. 1986). Some
states have adopted “other constituencies” statutes which permit directors to consider the
interests of non-shareholder constituencies, including creditors, in making corporate decisions.
In general, however, these statutes are permissive5 and do not appear to create new fiduciary
obligations for directors but merely allow them to consider other constituencies as a factor in
determining the best interests of the shareholders; directors of a solvent corporation who favor
another constituency over its shareholders may violate their duty of loyalty.
and
CORPORATIONS ACT 2001 - SECT 53
(a) the promotion, formation, membership, control, business, trading, transactions and dealings (whether alone or jointly with any other person or persons and including transactions and dealings as agent, bailee or trustee), property (whether held alone or jointly with any other person or persons and including property held as agent, bailee or trustee), liabilities (including liabilities owed jointly with any other person or persons and liabilities as trustee), profits and other income, receipts, losses, outgoings and expenditure of the body; and
At this point, I'm tired of searching legalese just to prove my point. If you care, you can Google more. Really, you don't have to look any farther than recent events involving GE's international tax evasion strategy (many other companies as well), BP cutting corners leading to plant explosions and multiple major oil leaks, all the patent trolls, the mobile patent wars in general; the list goes on and on. You'd have to have your head in the sand and/or be a Randian libertarian to miss it.
"The negative reputation these systems have comes from factors that are tuned to maximize profit and abuse players for their money."
What they are failing to take into account is that corporations, by law, have to abuse people for profit for their shareholders or face financial and/or legal consequences. So, because of the way the two systems interact, it all but guarantees that it will be abused for profit. Therefore, we should assume that it's bad until someone can prove that their system is benign and can't be changed quickly to catch people off guard and take their money.
Simple. We've been assaulted with so much advertising in our lifetimes that we've become numb to it. It's white noise. The billions companies are spending to get our attention is going down the toilet (pun intended). What they're looking for now is a "captive" audience. Someplace where we can't ignore them or quickly get away from them. Where do we go everyday, multiple times a day, that we can't skip or go someplace else... the bathroom. They know it and they're trying to find a way in that won't be automatically rejected or cost so much that they can't get a return on their investment. Right now they have the static posters but, they want Flash ads... with sound... and preferably vibration (wait, maybe not a good idea)... you get the point.
The arms race for our attention continues. There's a reason that the younger generations have the attention span of a gnat.
*Sigh* It was supposed to be buy. Too little sleep and too much reliance on spell checkers. And yes, I know that last sentence is not grammatically correct. I'm just too tired to care.
I wonder if it will have a scene with undead flying monkeys coming out of Bruce Campbell's ass? For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, years ago, he did an interview where the commentator asked him if he'd do another Evil Dead movie and his response was "when winged monkeys fly out of my ass". With anyone else, I would not even ponder the possibility of that scene being in the movie. But, hey, we're talking Campbell and Raimi here.
I tried switching to Chrome again but, like the last time, the extensions weren't half as good. Even the ones developed by the same teams as FireFox! From what I understand it is the difference between the two browser extension APIs that is causing the problem. So, I'll stick with FireFox for now.
Though being paranoid about such things, especially in the MAFIAA controlled US, never seems to be as tinfoil hat as it should these days, it won't matter. Faking an IPv6 address will be a trivial task for even a script kiddie and won't be to hard for anyone willing to read an article they Google. The stupid will still get caught but, the cops have always enjoyed the low hanging fruit of the criminal world to make it look like they do actual work.
Before anyone gets offended, I know and have met honest, dedicated and smart cops. Sadly they're usually the exception, not the rule. Criminal enterprise has always paid better so they tend to get the better talent as morals don't pay the bills.
Yes, all of that and one major point you are missing: Doing all of this with as little to no interaction with the user. The current standards assume a network tech to configure the router. With the home user, that is almost never going to happen. They want to create a set of "defaults" that everyone can rely upon for the auto-configuration.
As a person about to get into database + html design an maintenance, I would like to work with PostgreSQL. What language(s) would you recommend for the front-end interface?
OtherOS was never a selling point to the vast majority of PS3 owners who probably never knew you could install Linux on the thing.
With the exception of programmers and high-end hackers... Which just happens to be the people Sony pissed off. The script kiddies just joined in for the fun after the fire fight started. This is very much a Sony created problem.
The sad part is, it's irrelevant whether porn was actually found there or not. The people who want to believe it will and the ones that don't won't. With a few exceptions, it does not matter how much evidence you show one way or the other as people tend not to allow facts to interfere with their preexisting beliefs.
Sorry to burst your bubble but, I used to work for Apple and I know people who currently do. They outsource A LOT. Pretty much all hardware manufacturing (and surprise, a Dell and an Apple share a LOT of common hardware made by the same oversees manufacturers), everything hardware to do with laptops, some development and legacy tech support. Other departments revolve from in-house to outsourced at management whims.
WMI is always broken on a handful of systems in a large user base. No matter how much effort you expend trying to fix it, some will always be broken. WMI is only a 100% solution if your user base is small. We have a 10,000 system user base and we never got below 3% of systems with a WMI failure, reguardless of how much time we put into fixing them. We gave up and have climbed to 7%. We now use cmd scripts primarily with Altiris, BixFix, AutoIT filling in with what cmd can't do, which is a lot. We still can't crack that 3% fail rate but, many will fix themselves on retry and we spend a whole lot less time fixing them. Still requires a lot of hours in remote desktop though.:/
Slashdot Mirror
DNS? Department of Network Security?
I'm not sure I want to see the end result of a large government bureaucracy trying to manage multiple secure networks.
I disagree. I don't think these lawsuits are about making money for the studios as much as they are about deterrence.
I somehow don't think it will deter Hollywood from making bad movies again. ;)
I never suggested that the patent shouldn't be valid. Where did you get that from my sentence?
Though I have been following software patents closely, it has no bearing on my question/comment. One of two things will happen, they will either license this to other vendors for a fee where they can manufacture it or they will not and only build them themselves. If they license it, they can charge a fee that is either reasonable or exorbitant. If they build it in house they can charge whatever they want. Though either option is their right, I, as a consumer, would like to see this product come to the consumer market at a reasonable price, thus my question/comment.
And no, they do not have to be price competitive to make a profit. This has been proven many times over. Since they have, according to TFA, a superior product, they have the option of producing it in low volume and charge a high price for the high end server and gamer market. If you insist on a citation, just look at Apple. They produce in low volume, charge a high fee and make a large profit because their customers believe they make a superior product. And I don't have to agree with it for the last sentence to be true.
This invention means jack to me, as a consumer, if they take the Apple route. Thus, my original comment.
The questions is, will the patent fees be reasonable enough that we will see this technology for less than $200 a DIMM?
Well, not directly related to TFA, the main problem from what I hear is that there are no decent engineering jobs in the US so any decent or good engineers are finding other lines of work and college students are taking other majors that are either easier and/or will give better paying jobs. You know that huge glut of MBAs in the 1990s and 2000s? So, there is an engineer shortage but, it's a chicken and egg problem now. Until there are engineering jobs, there will be no engineers and right now, unless the federal government does it, I don't see any engineering jobs being created in the US in the next few decades.
@0123456 & @MightyYar
I can't believe people still try to argue this point. Here's your citations:
General Rule: Fiduciary Duties owed to Corporation and Shareholders Directors of financially healthy corporations owe fiduciary duties to the corporation itself and its shareholders. See, e.g., Revlon v. MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings Inc., 506 A.2d 173, 179 (Del. 1986). Courts have generally held that directors of such corporations do not owe fiduciary duties to other constituencies, such as creditors, whose rights are purely contractual. See, e.g., Katz v. Oak Indus., 508 A.2d 873, 879 (Del. Ch. 1986). Some states have adopted “other constituencies” statutes which permit directors to consider the interests of non-shareholder constituencies, including creditors, in making corporate decisions. In general, however, these statutes are permissive5 and do not appear to create new fiduciary obligations for directors but merely allow them to consider other constituencies as a factor in determining the best interests of the shareholders; directors of a solvent corporation who favor another constituency over its shareholders may violate their duty of loyalty.
and
CORPORATIONS ACT 2001 - SECT 53 (a) the promotion, formation, membership, control, business, trading, transactions and dealings (whether alone or jointly with any other person or persons and including transactions and dealings as agent, bailee or trustee), property (whether held alone or jointly with any other person or persons and including property held as agent, bailee or trustee), liabilities (including liabilities owed jointly with any other person or persons and liabilities as trustee), profits and other income, receipts, losses, outgoings and expenditure of the body; and
At this point, I'm tired of searching legalese just to prove my point. If you care, you can Google more. Really, you don't have to look any farther than recent events involving GE's international tax evasion strategy (many other companies as well), BP cutting corners leading to plant explosions and multiple major oil leaks, all the patent trolls, the mobile patent wars in general; the list goes on and on. You'd have to have your head in the sand and/or be a Randian libertarian to miss it.
"The negative reputation these systems have comes from factors that are tuned to maximize profit and abuse players for their money."
What they are failing to take into account is that corporations, by law, have to abuse people for profit for their shareholders or face financial and/or legal consequences. So, because of the way the two systems interact, it all but guarantees that it will be abused for profit. Therefore, we should assume that it's bad until someone can prove that their system is benign and can't be changed quickly to catch people off guard and take their money.
Simple. We've been assaulted with so much advertising in our lifetimes that we've become numb to it. It's white noise. The billions companies are spending to get our attention is going down the toilet (pun intended). What they're looking for now is a "captive" audience. Someplace where we can't ignore them or quickly get away from them. Where do we go everyday, multiple times a day, that we can't skip or go someplace else... the bathroom. They know it and they're trying to find a way in that won't be automatically rejected or cost so much that they can't get a return on their investment. Right now they have the static posters but, they want Flash ads... with sound... and preferably vibration (wait, maybe not a good idea)... you get the point.
The arms race for our attention continues. There's a reason that the younger generations have the attention span of a gnat.
Yea, yea... get off my lawn.
When the justice system is no longer just to the people, then yes. Whether or not it has reached that point is a matter of opinion.
Just because he had nothing to do with it doesn't mean you can't blame him!
*Sigh* It was supposed to be buy. Too little sleep and too much reliance on spell checkers. And yes, I know that last sentence is not grammatically correct. I'm just too tired to care.
This reaffirms my decision to never by Intel.
I wonder if it will have a scene with undead flying monkeys coming out of Bruce Campbell's ass? For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, years ago, he did an interview where the commentator asked him if he'd do another Evil Dead movie and his response was "when winged monkeys fly out of my ass". With anyone else, I would not even ponder the possibility of that scene being in the movie. But, hey, we're talking Campbell and Raimi here.
I tried switching to Chrome again but, like the last time, the extensions weren't half as good. Even the ones developed by the same teams as FireFox! From what I understand it is the difference between the two browser extension APIs that is causing the problem. So, I'll stick with FireFox for now.
Though being paranoid about such things, especially in the MAFIAA controlled US, never seems to be as tinfoil hat as it should these days, it won't matter. Faking an IPv6 address will be a trivial task for even a script kiddie and won't be to hard for anyone willing to read an article they Google. The stupid will still get caught but, the cops have always enjoyed the low hanging fruit of the criminal world to make it look like they do actual work.
Before anyone gets offended, I know and have met honest, dedicated and smart cops. Sadly they're usually the exception, not the rule. Criminal enterprise has always paid better so they tend to get the better talent as morals don't pay the bills.
Yes, all of that and one major point you are missing: Doing all of this with as little to no interaction with the user. The current standards assume a network tech to configure the router. With the home user, that is almost never going to happen. They want to create a set of "defaults" that everyone can rely upon for the auto-configuration.
It's very simple. Oracle would rather Java fade into obscurity than keep maintaining it for free. Either they make money or they bury it.
PORN!!
Required YouTube link: The Internet is for PORN!! (WarCraft Edition... just because).
I'm willing to give Google the benefit of the doubt until their actually caught once doing it (on anything).
As a person about to get into database + html design an maintenance, I would like to work with PostgreSQL. What language(s) would you recommend for the front-end interface?
OtherOS was never a selling point to the vast majority of PS3 owners who probably never knew you could install Linux on the thing.
With the exception of programmers and high-end hackers... Which just happens to be the people Sony pissed off. The script kiddies just joined in for the fun after the fire fight started. This is very much a Sony created problem.
The sad part is, it's irrelevant whether porn was actually found there or not. The people who want to believe it will and the ones that don't won't. With a few exceptions, it does not matter how much evidence you show one way or the other as people tend not to allow facts to interfere with their preexisting beliefs.
Sorry to burst your bubble but, I used to work for Apple and I know people who currently do. They outsource A LOT. Pretty much all hardware manufacturing (and surprise, a Dell and an Apple share a LOT of common hardware made by the same oversees manufacturers), everything hardware to do with laptops, some development and legacy tech support. Other departments revolve from in-house to outsourced at management whims.
WMI is always broken on a handful of systems in a large user base. No matter how much effort you expend trying to fix it, some will always be broken. WMI is only a 100% solution if your user base is small. We have a 10,000 system user base and we never got below 3% of systems with a WMI failure, reguardless of how much time we put into fixing them. We gave up and have climbed to 7%. We now use cmd scripts primarily with Altiris, BixFix, AutoIT filling in with what cmd can't do, which is a lot. We still can't crack that 3% fail rate but, many will fix themselves on retry and we spend a whole lot less time fixing them. Still requires a lot of hours in remote desktop though. :/