> If someone is doing development, I would really > hope that he has enough savvy to get the distro > installed without graphical hand-holding
Why? There are more Linux distributions out there than you can shake a stick at. Plenty of them cater for installations without graphical handholding. There's no reason that individual distributions should have to develop for everyone. If Corel want to target one specific segment of the user base then there's nothing wrong with that.
This is just great. I first saw Baldurs Gate a few months back at my brothers and dribbled all over his keyboard. Then discovered that some of my AD&D group have it too (we're a bunch of '30 somethings' that meet once a month to play a campaign that's nearly 3 years old now) and for the first time in a very long time questioned my exclusively Linux home setup.
Neverwinter Nights on Linix will be a dream come true for me. Good call guys! And thanks Slashdot for the article, I love this site:-)
In fact, if you follow the link from the picture to the URL:
http://byamerican.com/abouttcap.htm
You get a quite a lot of detail on how this technology is supposed to work. If you can screen out the eccentric babble about UFO's the rest of it makes very interesting reading.
After some digging around on their site I came across the following link. It talks a (little) bit more about the technology behind TCAP.
http://www.byamerican.com/alsi/
Macka
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Well, the current KDE isn't based on this anyway and won't be until the first quarter of Y2K, so there's plenty of time to thrash this stuff out.
One thing that has puzzled me for a while though. If mixing KDE's GPL and Qt's QPL is a problem, how does the mix of Netscapes NPL + GNOMES's GPL(?) + GTK+'s LGPL manage to avoid all this? GNOME are using Netscapes NGlayout widget in some of their tools aren't they?
No one ever seems to talk about this (that I have seen).
This is all very interesting, but could Redhat be exposing themselves. Once the shares are out there, they are available for purchase from anyone who's a) interested, and b) has the money. Now what if (for the sake of argument) Microsoft, who we all know has a veritable mountain of cash at their disposal, decided to cash in on the new bounty. How would the Linux world react to Redhat if they new that they were part owned by Microsoft? Even worse, what if at some point in the future Microsoft decided it wanted a controlling interest in Redhat and managed to buy up the bulk of the shares. Redhat would effectively become a Microsoft owned company and would Microsoft not then have cart blanch to appoint their own managers and control the future direction of Redhat Linux?
Now I'll be the first to admit I'm not very knowledgable when it comes down to stocks and shares, but this hyperthetical scenario is possible. Isn't it?
I hear what you're saying, but read your words as an endorsement of Linux/Unix and all the desktops. It's because you (and all of us) have the choice to run KDE, GNOME, WindowMaker or whatever suits our own needs or personal preference that makes this environment so special. KDE is great for me and WindowMaker is great for you. So we are both winners.
I am very upset by what I've just read. If Miguel genuinely made those derogatory comments about KDE then he needs to be replaced as the mouth piece for the GNOME project until he learns that the position of spokesperson carries responsibility.
His comments about KDE are factually incorrect, immature and go great damage to the work people have put in to build peace between the two camps.
When I get home tonight I will be writing to the BBC with a rebutal of Miguels comments.
================================================ Was that Linux was being compared to Big Iron and found lacking. Linux logging is no worse (and often better) than most commercial Unices, but the only place I've seen absurd levels of multi-processor and system logging are in the "Real Computer" world. ================================================
With the exception of Compaq Tru64 UNIX (aka Digital UNIX). Syslog is syslog, on just about any UNIX, but Tru64 has something call the Binary Event Log (binlogd). This logs a whole host of hardware events and some software, with event types, severity level, and device register information for analysis. i.e.
Sure we appreciate what the FSF have given us. Linux wouldn't be where it is today without their contribution. But that doesn't mean we have to hand them the deeds to the family jewels. Linux has evolved and spun away from tight association with the FSF's code. They're just going to have to get used to that, if it really does bother them that much.
I don't know who this lot are, or where they've com from, but I thought that the Real(tm) Linux Certification exam was hosted by the University of Mississippi.
If LI are going to get into the certification game they would serve us better supporting a non-commercial effort!
From the articles concerned: "...according to reports."
I'm more than a little suspicious about this announcement. What reports? Have there been any official statements from the companies concerned?
Some weeks ago people started jumping up and down about Compaq selling Linux and offering 24x7 support, and that turned out to be more creative writing from an over-zealous journalist, than fact.
Be careful what you believe. I won't believe this until it comes from the Horses mouth!
I'd love to see anonymous cowards axed. They are incredibly bad for the PR image of this site and MUST have a negative impact on site attendance from new visitors.
This has already started to happen. I have seen a number of postings from some Windows programmers getting involved in various KDE projects. They like to development environment, the tool kit, etc.
I have no axe to grind here, so I welcome this move.
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> If someone is doing development, I would really
> hope that he has enough savvy to get the distro
> installed without graphical hand-holding
Why? There are more Linux distributions out there than you can shake a stick at. Plenty of them cater for installations without graphical handholding. There's no reason that individual distributions should have to develop for everyone. If Corel want to target one specific segment of the user base then there's nothing wrong with that.
Macka
This is just great. I first saw Baldurs Gate a few months back at my brothers and dribbled all over his keyboard. Then discovered that some of my AD&D group have it too (we're a bunch of '30 somethings' that meet once a month to play a campaign that's nearly 3 years old now) and for the first time in a very long time questioned my exclusively Linux home setup.
:-)
Neverwinter Nights on Linix will be a dream come true for me. Good call guys! And thanks Slashdot for the article, I love this site
Macka
In fact, if you follow the link from the picture to the URL:
http://byamerican.com/abouttcap.htm
You get a quite a lot of detail on how this technology is supposed to work. If you can screen out the eccentric babble about UFO's the rest of it makes very interesting reading.
Macka
After some digging around on their site I came across the following link. It talks a (little) bit more about the technology behind TCAP.
http://www.byamerican.com/alsi/
Macka
Well, the current KDE isn't based on this anyway
and won't be until the first quarter of Y2K, so
there's plenty of time to thrash this stuff out.
One thing that has puzzled me for a while though.
If mixing KDE's GPL and Qt's QPL is a problem, how
does the mix of Netscapes NPL + GNOMES's GPL(?) + GTK+'s LGPL manage to avoid all this? GNOME are using Netscapes NGlayout widget in some of their tools aren't they?
No one ever seems to talk about this (that I have seen).
Macka
This is all very interesting, but could Redhat be exposing themselves. Once the shares are out there, they are available for purchase from anyone who's a) interested, and b) has the money. Now what if (for the sake of argument) Microsoft, who we all know has a veritable mountain of cash at their disposal, decided to cash in on the new bounty. How would the Linux world react to Redhat if they new that they were part owned by Microsoft? Even worse, what if at some point in the future Microsoft decided it wanted a controlling interest in Redhat and managed to buy up the bulk of the shares. Redhat would effectively become a Microsoft owned company and would Microsoft not then have cart blanch to appoint their own managers and control the future direction of Redhat Linux?
Now I'll be the first to admit I'm not very knowledgable when it comes down to stocks and shares, but this hyperthetical scenario is possible. Isn't it?
Macka
I hear what you're saying, but read your words as an endorsement of Linux/Unix and all the desktops. It's because you (and all of us) have the choice to run KDE, GNOME, WindowMaker or whatever suits our own needs or personal preference that makes this environment so special. KDE is great for me and WindowMaker is great for you. So we are both winners.
Regards,
Macka
I am very upset by what I've just read. If Miguel genuinely made those derogatory comments about KDE then he needs to be replaced as the mouth piece for the GNOME project until he learns that the position of spokesperson carries responsibility.
His comments about KDE are factually incorrect, immature and go great damage to the work people have put in to build peace between the two camps.
When I get home tonight I will be writing to the BBC with a rebutal of Miguels comments.
Macka
This is fantastic news. The more MS screw over their customers, the more they will run into the arms of alternate OS's like Linux.
:-)
Way to go MS, keep it up
Macka
=================================================
Was that Linux was being compared to Big Iron and found lacking. Linux logging is no worse (and often better) than most commercial Unices, but the only place I've seen absurd levels of multi-processor and system logging are in the "Real Computer" world.
===============================================
With the exception of Compaq Tru64 UNIX (aka Digital UNIX). Syslog is syslog, on just about any UNIX, but Tru64 has something call the Binary Event Log (binlogd). This logs a whole host of hardware events and some software, with event types, severity level, and device register information for analysis. i.e.
Hardware-Related Events
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
100 CPU machine checks and exceptions
101 Memory
102 Disks
103 Tapes
104 Device controllers
105 Adapters
106 Buses
107 Stray interrupts
108 Console events
109 Stack dumps
199 SCSI CAM events
Software-Detected Events
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
201 CI port-to-port driver events
202 System communications services events
Informational ASCII Messages
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
250 Generic ASCII informational messages
Operational Events
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
300 ASCII startup messages
301 ASCII shutdown messages
302 Panic messages
310 Timestamp
350 Diagnostic status messages
351 Repair and maintenance messages
You can specify the following severity levels:
severe - Specifies events that cannot be recovered and that are usually
fatal to system operation.
high - Specifies events that either can be recovered or cannot be recovered
but are not fatal to system operation.
low - Specifies informational messages.
This information is like liquid gold when it comes to pinning down hardware problems. I sorely wish Linux had something similar.
Macka
Sure we appreciate what the FSF have given us. Linux wouldn't be where it is today without their contribution. But that doesn't mean we have to hand them the deeds to the family jewels. Linux has evolved and spun away from tight association with the FSF's code. They're just going to have to get used to that, if it really does bother them that much.
Macka
Anyone know what the status is with regards to Linux kernel support for this beastie? Is it even an issue?
What about support for 3DNow in XFree86 or one of the commercial Xservers?
Macka
I don't know who this lot are, or where they've com from, but I thought that the Real(tm) Linux Certification exam was hosted by the University of Mississippi.
If LI are going to get into the certification game they would serve us better supporting a non-commercial effort!
Macka
I take it all back
Macka
According to the estimate, quoted in the KDE 1.1pre2 announcement, about 5-6 million users!
So eat that, Mr Twisted ACer !!
From the articles concerned:
"...according to reports."
I'm more than a little suspicious about this announcement. What reports? Have there been any official statements from the companies concerned?
Some weeks ago people started jumping up and down about Compaq selling Linux and offering 24x7 support, and that turned out to be more creative writing from an over-zealous journalist, than fact.
Be careful what you believe. I won't believe this until it comes from the Horses mouth!
Macka
I'd love to see anonymous cowards axed. They are incredibly bad for the PR image of this site and MUST have a negative impact on site attendance from new visitors.
Pseudos I'm ok with.
Macka
This has already started to happen. I have seen a number of postings from some Windows programmers getting involved in various KDE projects. They like to development environment, the tool kit, etc.
I have no axe to grind here, so I welcome this move.
Macka