Could we not build a reusable 'moon bus' based on the Russian Zarya module it is already man rated. Add a bit of shielding and strengthen its hull to take lunar / earth insertion forces.
Then you would need to build a power plant to attach to the aft end. This would be based on the new version of the Apollo era engine currently under development with refillable oxidizer and propellant tanks. This is totally new design and construction but it is still basically done with "off the shelf" parts. Launch using current heavy lift capability and do space walk to attach it to the Zarya. (Maybe detachable fuel/oxidizer containers)
You now have something that will get you to the moon.
Next you build the 'LEM', again base it on the existing documentation from the 60's. Granted retooling in this respect would have to be done but modern manufacturing techniques would greatly increase the speed it could be done. It of course would sit at the forward end of the Zarya module. Launch using current heavy lift capability.
Now use off the shelf Soyuz / Progress to get crews / supplies up and down.
Total cost about $2 Billion. Time to first trip about 5 years and you now you can get to the moon and have a test bed for 'real world' testing of technologies currently being developed for the mission to mars.
When I was a kid we went from crude rockets blowing themselves up on the pad to landing on the moon in about 10 years. Now we have desided to go back after 30 years and 40 some years of technological development and we will not get there for another 15 years.
Why would I, as a teen, be interested when I will probably be too old to participate by the time it is all ready to go.
You want to get young people intrested, stop moving at a snails pace, get back to the moon in say 3-5 years using todays technology and off the shelf parts.
"The incredible, disturbing real-life events which are presented on this site are being uncovered for the first time outside the restricted community of 'insiders' who have, for reasons unknown, decided to protect the secrecy of the Soviet Establishment."
Tin foil hat time.
This I think will be their downfall. The inability to go to the video store and rent a game because each game is encoded to the first console it is played on. I have already heard several being told at the local video store that they will not be able to rent games for the PS3 they just bought.
It seems that if we can put 100+ men on a nuclear sub in a more hostile environment than outer space, 1000 feet down, for up to 90 days at a time, why can we not use the same technology to build a Moon base. Build the parts on Earth and brute force move them to the moon then using deep sea divers who are used to working in ultra hazardous environment to put it together.
To service it use 'a space bus & lander that uses the ISS as a bus depot. Never having to land on the earth.
To get to the ISS use the Soyuz and Progress to ferry cargo and people up and down.
They allow the participants to assume great risk, while mandating some basic, sane, minimum standards, and they aim to mimimize (not eliminate) the risk to uninvolved third parties.
Like shoe checks and no liquids since they might be parts of binary explosives.
Civil aviation was well on its way before the original FAA type organisation was constituted and it took years before it learned how to be come a red tape type organization. In that case of space filght, no learning curve is required.
1924 - regular scheduled flights are started along the Transcontinental Route.
1925 - The Kelly Air Mail Act puts the Post Office out of the flying business. Specific segments of the air mail routes are put out for bid. The early airlines are formed as contract mail carriers.
1936 - The airlines establish three en route centers in Newark, Cleveland, and Chicago.
1938 - The Civil Aeronautics Act creates the first CAA - Civil Aeronautics Authority. Airport and Airway Traffic Control Sections are established.
1940 - The CAA is reorganized into the Civil Aeronautics Administration. Airport Towers are taken into federal service. The CAA receives support and guidance from the War Department to expand and improve the air traffic system.
My first computer related job out of school was to create and teach a first year COBOL course. I remember it well Identification, Data, Environment and Proceedure divisions.
As soon as a lawyer accepts a fee or agrees to accept a payment from a client he/she ceases to be a officer of the court and becomes a mear peddler of their clients version of the truth.
The only way to have them return to being true 'officers of the court' is to have them paid directly by the state. Sort of like doctors in Canada.
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Occupation tests=7689007, matches=1, percent=1.300558056456445E-5
Testing active records, 1 visit every 2 weeks, in 23 Million record sample.
Then limit the number per day. Home users do not sent that many. When they, the customer, cannot send an email because they have reached their limit then they know there is a problem.
The ISP restricts the client system to 1 outgoing email per 'n' seconds except if they have applied for a business exception which of course costs more. And sends a monthly email sending report so that the client can see something may be wrong.
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Could we not build a reusable 'moon bus' based on the Russian Zarya module it is already man rated. Add a bit of shielding and strengthen its hull to take lunar / earth insertion forces.
Then you would need to build a power plant to attach to the aft end. This would be based on the new version of the Apollo era engine currently under development with refillable oxidizer and propellant tanks. This is totally new design and construction but it is still basically done with "off the shelf" parts. Launch using current heavy lift capability and do space walk to attach it to the Zarya. (Maybe detachable fuel/oxidizer containers)
You now have something that will get you to the moon.
Next you build the 'LEM', again base it on the existing documentation from the 60's. Granted retooling in this respect would have to be done but modern manufacturing techniques would greatly increase the speed it could be done. It of course would sit at the forward end of the Zarya module. Launch using current heavy lift capability.
Now use off the shelf Soyuz / Progress to get crews / supplies up and down.
Total cost about $2 Billion. Time to first trip about 5 years and you now you can get to the moon and have a test bed for 'real world' testing of technologies currently being developed for the mission to mars.
When I was a kid we went from crude rockets blowing themselves up on the pad to landing on the moon in about 10 years. Now we have desided to go back after 30 years and 40 some years of technological development and we will not get there for another 15 years.
Why would I, as a teen, be interested when I will probably be too old to participate by the time it is all ready to go.
You want to get young people intrested, stop moving at a snails pace, get back to the moon in say 3-5 years using todays technology and off the shelf parts.
Well they did misplace/loose the masters of the moon landings.
"The incredible, disturbing real-life events which are presented on this site are being uncovered for the first time outside the restricted community of 'insiders' who have, for reasons unknown, decided to protect the secrecy of the Soviet Establishment." Tin foil hat time.
If that is the case then Rogers Video outlets should educate their staff.
This I think will be their downfall. The inability to go to the video store and rent a game because each game is encoded to the first console it is played on. I have already heard several being told at the local video store that they will not be able to rent games for the PS3 they just bought.
Can't wait to see it souped up with all kinds of spy stuff and weapons.
All we have to do is to make sure we do not have a major accident and blast the Moon out of orbit.
It seems that if we can put 100+ men on a nuclear sub in a more hostile environment than outer space, 1000 feet down, for up to 90 days at a time, why can we not use the same technology to build a Moon base. Build the parts on Earth and brute force move them to the moon then using deep sea divers who are used to working in ultra hazardous environment to put it together.
To service it use 'a space bus & lander that uses the ISS as a bus depot. Never having to land on the earth.
To get to the ISS use the Soyuz and Progress to ferry cargo and people up and down.
They allow the participants to assume great risk, while mandating some basic, sane, minimum standards, and they aim to mimimize (not eliminate) the risk to uninvolved third parties.
Like shoe checks and no liquids since they might be parts of binary explosives.
Civil aviation was well on its way before the original FAA type organisation was constituted and it took years before it learned how to be come a red tape type organization. In that case of space filght, no learning curve is required.
1924 - regular scheduled flights are started along the Transcontinental Route.
1925 - The Kelly Air Mail Act puts the Post Office out of the flying business. Specific segments of the air mail routes are put out for bid. The early airlines are formed as contract mail carriers.
1936 - The airlines establish three en route centers in Newark, Cleveland, and Chicago.
1938 - The Civil Aeronautics Act creates the first CAA - Civil Aeronautics Authority. Airport and Airway Traffic Control Sections are established.
1940 - The CAA is reorganized into the Civil Aeronautics Administration. Airport Towers are taken into federal service. The CAA receives support and guidance from the War Department to expand and improve the air traffic system.
Now the government is involved space tourism is dead in the US. Time to move it off shore.
The devils greatest achivement.
My first computer related job out of school was to create and teach a first year COBOL course. I remember it well Identification, Data, Environment and Proceedure divisions.
So they lied. If a child did that they would be sent to their room. Do I detect a double standard.
As soon as a lawyer accepts a fee or agrees to accept a payment from a client he/she ceases to be a officer of the court and becomes a mear peddler of their clients version of the truth.
The only way to have them return to being true 'officers of the court' is to have them paid directly by the state. Sort of like doctors in Canada.
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Testing active records, 1 visit every 2 weeks, in 23 Million record sample.
Occupation
Politician tests=7689007, matches=131, percent=0.001703731053957943
Pediphile tests=7689007, matches=1, percent=1.300558056456445E-5
Testing active records, 1 visit every 2 weeks, in 23 Million record sample.
MySpace stats: Occupation tests=7689007, matches=131, percent=0.001703731053957943 Occupation tests=7689007, matches=1, percent=1.300558056456445E-5 Testing active records, 1 visit every 2 weeks, in 23 Million record sample.
Its called PARENTING....
Then limit the number per day. Home users do not sent that many. When they, the customer, cannot send an email because they have reached their limit then they know there is a problem.
If it is really important they will phone. If it is really really important they will send the police.
The ISP restricts the client system to 1 outgoing email per 'n' seconds except if they have applied for a business exception which of course costs more. And sends a monthly email sending report so that the client can see something may be wrong.
What's ASCII ??.........
Why do tech companies that work with OSS not insist on resumes only in ODF. Gently force the issue. After all other companies only accept DOC.