Just creates one more Microsoft hater, now if this is a young employee they will have lots of time to remember that. So what if sometime in their life they end up in a position where they can do MS harm or help? Maybe in a government position. Which do you think that they will do? It is like the new car buyer, if he gets a lemon he tells 20 of his friends and acquaintances, so now the bad will gets multiplied. (don't buy brand X they make crap.) I don't think Google buys any brand X products.
Conversely if he gets a good car he hardly mentions it, because that is just the normal expectation. So good will is a lot harder to generate than bad will.
I have worked for a large corporation (bigger than MS) for over 30 years, I've always been treated with courtesy, dignity and respect, and guess what, when someone asks me I always say "it is a good company to work for". I have found if a company does not treat it's employees well, it extends the same treatment to it's customers and business partners. (contractors)
You don't appear to know a lot about the nature of people. People who do not naturally recognize the impacts of their selfish actions on others, are self righteous and indignant when this is brought to their attention.
It does no good to speak to them about it, because they just go into denial and self defense. In other words you will be the one who is wrong for presuming to encroach on their freedoms. Don't you see the pattern of these characters when you are driving, oblivious to the fact that others need to use the roads too, so they slowly drive along, never signal intention, and cut you off at every chance.
As an industrial psychologist once commented "there can be no learning without an associated emotional experience" implying that good management creates a learning environment by eliciting the appropriate emotional experience. The emotional experience required here is a 2X4 along the side of the head. "First you gotta git thar attention"
The Rolling Stones tour and earn more money in "real time" and don't expect to sit back and get some antiquated system of copyrighted recordings do this for them. It's called LIVE PERFORMING, as in work, and probably the biggest earning musicians of all time.
By a broken sick legal system, and a totally unfathomable logic of copywrong and patent systems. I create and invent every day, I only get paid for it once, I don't keep getting paid over and over for something that I have already done and got paid for, even if I can reproduce it on a medium that I did not invent, but try to control.
This is the 21st century and they are trying to apply laws and rules that originated, from royalty and ruling class over the peons. RomeUSA is in decline from it's own ineptitude, greed and corruption can't you see that. China is on the rise, copy and improve, and take over the world. If you want to continue to be paid, then continue to produce usefulness, and not find sleazy ways to continue to get paid through copyright and patent laws.
And what actual benefit (making life better for someone) were these patent designed products to anyone besides the patent holders. Were these patented "pet rocks", or "stuffed elephants" or "stretchy candies".
You are taking the usual Lawyer position, please don't make my job redundant. If people were actually not selfish and greedy, and of high character what actual use would we have for Lawyers. Could we pretty not reach amicable agreement about everything?
Don't you know about the concept of guilt by association, if you stand too close you get spattered. Teflon suits are only for the movies.
If you don't want to be associated, then distance yourself, verbally, I have not seen any protests from inside the Gnome organization. So would that maybe look like "consent by silence" which I think it is, because of the direction of your defense/attack. If you want to defend yourself then call out Icaza, and make the distancing clear to all.
Well it is reflected in human values and purpose, and is it about applied knowledge for human benefit, or is it about money, power, greed and corruption?
The US turns out more lawyers and less engineers and scientists than any where else in the world. So what do you expect to get from this? "suppression of innovation" through patent, copyright, and propriety information law suits. The stifling of the use of knowledge. I believe that China now probably has or will have, more engineering graduates than the whole population of the US. All past great cultures or empires, had an edge in engineering and science for their time. Hence they were able to create construction projects, public works, buildings and infrastructure, and effectively defend their way of life. The increase of lawyers and politicians indicates a society in decline.
Maybe Vonage should take up IBMs offer. I think they have patented some kind of patent counter sue method, that might allow Vonage to counter sue under some of IBMs vast patent portfolio. Like a buying insurance after the fire, but for the fire thing.
Yep, there is not anything in this series of comments that I have not experienced. There does seem to be a huge lack of "vision" with the OOo developers. It revolves around the old adage, "when they say that something is good enough, it is usually because it isn't."
This is probably why KDE went their own way, and their "vision" seems to be pretty good, but it will remain to be seen if they have the resources and talent to pull it off. But they have, I believe, a 9 Office components that work well together "vision", instead of a mixed bag of things. That would be attractive, easy to understand, and common look and feel interface, some underlying things that would be common to them all, such as PIM information, how imported objects respond to changes in the original etc.
Back in the days of Lotus, WordPerfect, and the other assortment of stand alone office type programs, I had always thought that all these would one day be blended into one, at that time I actually thought it could be one program.
Most people, just like you, take the pragmatic approach. The OS (and the associated hardware) is just a tool to do whatever it is you need to do.
Now just like your car is a transportation tool, you want certain things from it, chiefly predictability and reliability, and perceived value. It needs to start and go whenever you want it to, and not cost you an arm and a leg to buy and operate.
But your vehicle also needs to have certain, convenience, comfort, and style features. Although not essential, these things need to make you feel good when you drive your car, or at the very least prevent you from encountering aggravations when operating your car.
If that is a Ford, GM or Toyota you don't much care, unless you are a brand freak. But you might make the comparison, and I am old enough to remember this, between Toyota and the other "big three". When first imported the Toyota products were a joke, but with years of attending to the things that the others didn't, predictability, reliability, convenience, comfort, quality and style, guess who is number one now? This took about 30 years to happen, no "critical mass" thing, that you hear all the marketers trumpet about, just slow and steady, and absolutely no fanfare when it happened. So in 30 years Toyota went from last to bigger than GM (the biggest), and don't you think that MS knows this?
No one can be right 100% of the time. But when you discover that you are wrong and publicly admit it, that leads to learning and personal growth. (trial and error method) Of course "denial" that you are wrong, which is the SCO MO, leads to where?
Maybe you don't know that Google has a long time ago put their money where their mouth is. Google uses Open Source software on their servers. They contribute money and code to Open source projects. Sponsor students etc. (summer of code)
Their Office offerings are Open Standard. Also your perspective tends to be different if you are a hardware manufacturer, or user, than if you are a proprietary software producer. Very different perspectives. But which perspective benefits the consumer more in the end? Because that's the only one that I care about. Just simply pragmatic. As is Google, because interoperability is fundamental to the success of their business, as it is to every other business, EXCEPT MICROSOFTs.
According to the boys (and girls) that explore the Mayan culture, the next line up with the plane of the milky way will be in 2012, not 7M years from now. And apparently the Sun's abnormalities (such as huge solar flares) have already started, as has global warming, on Earth, Mars, and Jupiter as I understand. (no greenhouse gases involved) Then in 2012 the Mayan calendar ends and time runs out.
We have to make a distinction between patent and copyright. The Kodak / Polaroid issue was most likely a patent dispute about material processes. Patent disputes over software do not have the same firm legal foundation, and are less likely to end up in court. It was probably the copyright infringement part that got cleared by some sort of prior art search.
It is the fine art of appearing to say something without really saying anything that someone can successfully sue you for. So it is not about saying my company is great, and produces great products. It is about saying their company sucks and produces lousy products, and if you buy their products or business model, instead of mine, you are taking a great risk.
You would think that by now the human race would have smartened up to the hucksters, but apparently not, it is still go with our brand and you get to heaven, and go with their brand and you go to hell. How long has this been going on?
Change always causes some amount of upheaval, it's not so much that people resist change, it is more that people resist being changed. Can't drive that Ford because the light switch is in a different place than on my Chev.
It's the free as in freedom, in that there are very few restrictions on how you can use most open source products. No ULA that you need to be a lawyer to understand. And no MS tax!! The good news is that these products just get better and easier to use as time goes on.
I personally have not made a complete switch to open source products yet, probably KDE 4 when it is properly integrated into Kubuntu will be the tipping point for me.
But you are last generation, do you think that todays generation are "afraid" of computers. And what is "normal" when it comes to people? You only have to go out on the freeway to see how abnormal (not of any common standard of character or knowledge) people really are, including yourself.
I have installed and used a large variety of OSs and I am not a computer geek. Actually installing Ubuntu is easier, and takes less time than XP. Also it is just as easy to use as XP, now with all the MS "you're a thief" and I am going to make it difficult to use the software you bought crap. It is only a matter of time before that attitude turns all customers off. It is already turning off the business and enterprise customers, "this software is mine, mine, mine, and you are not allowed to change it to suit your needs". A really good customer oriented business model???
That's probably closer to the Apple business strategy, than marketing a competing Browser. I have seen a complementing theory, that Apple will be releasing Windows Laptops and PCs, but all the peripheral software that the average consumer uses will be Apple, with the Apple logo, including the Browser. Making Vista look like an Apple OS to the average user.
And Microsoft doesn't go whining to the government, they have no democratically? elected officials in their pocket. That's why MS is not challenging adoption by democratically? elected state governments, of ODF as an open standard for saving documents. That's pseudo democracy the American joke?
Even a blind person might notice that you are an impartial Intelboy. Maybe an MSboy too? Or can we say a WinTelboy? Get with the program and discuss what is really going to be relevant to the future.
Via make low power (green) CPU chips, and HP is putting them in their PCs sold in China. We do have choice, and with China's stance on all the copy protection hoopla, I don't see Via putting this in their chips any time soon.
I think you are missing the real issue here which is, why is a corporation interfering in the business of a duly elected Government, and telling it how to spend the Tax Payers money? (spend it on me?) What has happened to the sham democracy? How does this represent the interests of the people any better than a dictatorship in a third world country?
Ergo the good old US is not a democratic country. And does not honor the rule of law "for the people by the people" but the rule of money and the rule of force.
I have both Windows XP and Kubuntu on a PC, but they are both on different HDs. I change the BIOS when I want to boot either. But after post there does not seem to be a whole lot of difference, between the boot times of either OS.
Now if they are on different partitions of the same HD that might be different, because there might be more HD thrashing involved. Also the file system used might be a factor, say if the NT File System is used for Linux then it would probably scan a lot more files on start-up, even on the Windows partition. I use the Reiser 3 file system on the Linux HD, and it seems to completely ignore the XP HD on boot.
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Just creates one more Microsoft hater, now if this is a young employee they will have lots of time to remember that. So what if sometime in their life they end up in a position where they can do MS harm or help? Maybe in a government position. Which do you think that they will do? It is like the new car buyer, if he gets a lemon he tells 20 of his friends and acquaintances, so now the bad will gets multiplied. (don't buy brand X they make crap.) I don't think Google buys any brand X products.
Conversely if he gets a good car he hardly mentions it, because that is just the normal expectation. So good will is a lot harder to generate than bad will.
I have worked for a large corporation (bigger than MS) for over 30 years, I've always been treated with courtesy, dignity and respect, and guess what, when someone asks me I always say "it is a good company to work for". I have found if a company does not treat it's employees well, it extends the same treatment to it's customers and business partners. (contractors)
You don't appear to know a lot about the nature of people. People who do not naturally recognize the impacts of their selfish actions on others, are self righteous and indignant when this is brought to their attention.
It does no good to speak to them about it, because they just go into denial and self defense. In other words you will be the one who is wrong for presuming to encroach on their freedoms. Don't you see the pattern of these characters when you are driving, oblivious to the fact that others need to use the roads too, so they slowly drive along, never signal intention, and cut you off at every chance.
As an industrial psychologist once commented "there can be no learning without an associated emotional experience" implying that good management creates a learning environment by eliciting the appropriate emotional experience. The emotional experience required here is a 2X4 along the side of the head. "First you gotta git thar attention"
The Rolling Stones tour and earn more money in "real time" and don't expect to sit back and get some antiquated system of copyrighted recordings do this for them. It's called LIVE PERFORMING, as in work, and probably the biggest earning musicians of all time.
By a broken sick legal system, and a totally unfathomable logic of copywrong and patent systems. I create and invent every day, I only get paid for it once, I don't keep getting paid over and over for something that I have already done and got paid for, even if I can reproduce it on a medium that I did not invent, but try to control.
This is the 21st century and they are trying to apply laws and rules that originated, from royalty and ruling class over the peons. RomeUSA is in decline from it's own ineptitude, greed and corruption can't you see that. China is on the rise, copy and improve, and take over the world. If you want to continue to be paid, then continue to produce usefulness, and not find sleazy ways to continue to get paid through copyright and patent laws.
No, if people were perfect people, everything would be perfect.
And what actual benefit (making life better for someone) were these patent designed products to anyone besides the patent holders. Were these patented "pet rocks", or "stuffed elephants" or "stretchy candies".
You are taking the usual Lawyer position, please don't make my job redundant. If people were actually not selfish and greedy, and of high character what actual use would we have for Lawyers. Could we pretty not reach amicable agreement about everything?
Don't you know about the concept of guilt by association, if you stand too close you get spattered. Teflon suits are only for the movies.
If you don't want to be associated, then distance yourself, verbally, I have not seen any protests from inside the Gnome organization. So would that maybe look like "consent by silence" which I think it is, because of the direction of your defense/attack. If you want to defend yourself then call out Icaza, and make the distancing clear to all.
Well it is reflected in human values and purpose, and is it about applied knowledge for human benefit, or is it about money, power, greed and corruption?
The US turns out more lawyers and less engineers and scientists than any where else in the world. So what do you expect to get from this? "suppression of innovation" through patent, copyright, and propriety information law suits. The stifling of the use of knowledge. I believe that China now probably has or will have, more engineering graduates than the whole population of the US. All past great cultures or empires, had an edge in engineering and science for their time. Hence they were able to create construction projects, public works, buildings and infrastructure, and effectively defend their way of life. The increase of lawyers and politicians indicates a society in decline.
Maybe Vonage should take up IBMs offer. I think they have patented some kind of patent counter sue method, that might allow Vonage to counter sue under some of IBMs vast patent portfolio. Like a buying insurance after the fire, but for the fire thing.
Yep, there is not anything in this series of comments that I have not experienced. There does seem to be a huge lack of "vision" with the OOo developers. It revolves around the old adage, "when they say that something is good enough, it is usually because it isn't."
This is probably why KDE went their own way, and their "vision" seems to be pretty good, but it will remain to be seen if they have the resources and talent to pull it off. But they have, I believe, a 9 Office components that work well together "vision", instead of a mixed bag of things. That would be attractive, easy to understand, and common look and feel interface, some underlying things that would be common to them all, such as PIM information, how imported objects respond to changes in the original etc.
Back in the days of Lotus, WordPerfect, and the other assortment of stand alone office type programs, I had always thought that all these would one day be blended into one, at that time I actually thought it could be one program.
Most people, just like you, take the pragmatic approach. The OS (and the associated hardware) is just a tool to do whatever it is you need to do.
Now just like your car is a transportation tool, you want certain things from it, chiefly predictability and reliability, and perceived value. It needs to start and go whenever you want it to, and not cost you an arm and a leg to buy and operate.
But your vehicle also needs to have certain, convenience, comfort, and style features. Although not essential, these things need to make you feel good when you drive your car, or at the very least prevent you from encountering aggravations when operating your car.
If that is a Ford, GM or Toyota you don't much care, unless you are a brand freak. But you might make the comparison, and I am old enough to remember this, between Toyota and the other "big three". When first imported the Toyota products were a joke, but with years of attending to the things that the others didn't, predictability, reliability, convenience, comfort, quality and style, guess who is number one now? This took about 30 years to happen, no "critical mass" thing, that you hear all the marketers trumpet about, just slow and steady, and absolutely no fanfare when it happened. So in 30 years Toyota went from last to bigger than GM (the biggest), and don't you think that MS knows this?
No one can be right 100% of the time. But when you discover that you are wrong and publicly admit it, that leads to learning and personal growth. (trial and error method) Of course "denial" that you are wrong, which is the SCO MO, leads to where?
Maybe you don't know that Google has a long time ago put their money where their mouth is. Google uses Open Source software on their servers. They contribute money and code to Open source projects. Sponsor students etc. (summer of code)
Their Office offerings are Open Standard. Also your perspective tends to be different if you are a hardware manufacturer, or user, than if you are a proprietary software producer. Very different perspectives. But which perspective benefits the consumer more in the end? Because that's the only one that I care about. Just simply pragmatic. As is Google, because interoperability is fundamental to the success of their business, as it is to every other business, EXCEPT MICROSOFTs.
Just new to Earth I see. What planet are you from then?
According to the boys (and girls) that explore the Mayan culture, the next line up with the plane of the milky way will be in 2012, not 7M years from now. And apparently the Sun's abnormalities (such as huge solar flares) have already started, as has global warming, on Earth, Mars, and Jupiter as I understand. (no greenhouse gases involved) Then in 2012 the Mayan calendar ends and time runs out.
We have to make a distinction between patent and copyright. The Kodak / Polaroid issue was most likely a patent dispute about material processes. Patent disputes over software do not have the same firm legal foundation, and are less likely to end up in court. It was probably the copyright infringement part that got cleared by some sort of prior art search.
It is the fine art of appearing to say something without really saying anything that someone can successfully sue you for. So it is not about saying my company is great, and produces great products. It is about saying their company sucks and produces lousy products, and if you buy their products or business model, instead of mine, you are taking a great risk.
You would think that by now the human race would have smartened up to the hucksters, but apparently not, it is still go with our brand and you get to heaven, and go with their brand and you go to hell. How long has this been going on?
Change always causes some amount of upheaval, it's not so much that people resist change, it is more that people resist being changed. Can't drive that Ford because the light switch is in a different place than on my Chev.
It's the free as in freedom, in that there are very few restrictions on how you can use most open source products. No ULA that you need to be a lawyer to understand. And no MS tax!! The good news is that these products just get better and easier to use as time goes on.
I personally have not made a complete switch to open source products yet, probably KDE 4 when it is properly integrated into Kubuntu will be the tipping point for me.
But you are last generation, do you think that todays generation are "afraid" of computers. And what is "normal" when it comes to people? You only have to go out on the freeway to see how abnormal (not of any common standard of character or knowledge) people really are, including yourself.
I have installed and used a large variety of OSs and I am not a computer geek. Actually installing Ubuntu is easier, and takes less time than XP. Also it is just as easy to use as XP, now with all the MS "you're a thief" and I am going to make it difficult to use the software you bought crap. It is only a matter of time before that attitude turns all customers off. It is already turning off the business and enterprise customers, "this software is mine, mine, mine, and you are not allowed to change it to suit your needs". A really good customer oriented business model???
That's probably closer to the Apple business strategy, than marketing a competing Browser. I have seen a complementing theory, that Apple will be releasing Windows Laptops and PCs, but all the peripheral software that the average consumer uses will be Apple, with the Apple logo, including the Browser. Making Vista look like an Apple OS to the average user.
And Microsoft doesn't go whining to the government, they have no democratically? elected officials in their pocket. That's why MS is not challenging adoption by democratically? elected state governments, of ODF as an open standard for saving documents. That's pseudo democracy the American joke?
Even a blind person might notice that you are an impartial Intelboy. Maybe an MSboy too? Or can we say a WinTelboy? Get with the program and discuss what is really going to be relevant to the future.
Via make low power (green) CPU chips, and HP is putting them in their PCs sold in China. We do have choice, and with China's stance on all the copy protection hoopla, I don't see Via putting this in their chips any time soon.
I think you are missing the real issue here which is, why is a corporation interfering in the business of a duly elected Government, and telling it how to spend the Tax Payers money? (spend it on me?) What has happened to the sham democracy? How does this represent the interests of the people any better than a dictatorship in a third world country?
Ergo the good old US is not a democratic country. And does not honor the rule of law "for the people by the people" but the rule of money and the rule of force.
I have both Windows XP and Kubuntu on a PC, but they are both on different HDs. I change the BIOS when I want to boot either. But after post there does not seem to be a whole lot of difference, between the boot times of either OS.
Now if they are on different partitions of the same HD that might be different, because there might be more HD thrashing involved. Also the file system used might be a factor, say if the NT File System is used for Linux then it would probably scan a lot more files on start-up, even on the Windows partition. I use the Reiser 3 file system on the Linux HD, and it seems to completely ignore the XP HD on boot.