It's called whitelisting, and AOL will let you do it. You can also put it into effect with a simple filter provided your ISP will trust you with a.forward file.
The DMA proposal, in a nutshell - You send an e-mail every 6 months to let the DMA know you don't want to receive e-mail, and all DMA members agree to abide by your wishes.
I like it. Now get the WTO and the UN to put it into their requirements for membership so it'll apply outside the U.S., okay?
Otherwise, all that will happen is the bastards will register domains overseas where a few bucks will shut up the local cops, have the servers located in the U.S. on a fat backbone, and spam with impunity, or just keep relay-raping Chinese servers and blasting us that way.
The only way to attack it is to make spamming so costly that nobody would stoop to do it through RBL and ORBS keeping spam out of our mailboxes, teergrube slowing spam runs down to a crawl, tighter security on all internet-accessible servers that have sendmail (shut port 25, people!), fines for abusing an account, and public humilliation campaigns.
All are being tried, with varying success. Pick one and advocate it, the rest does not scale and/or does not work. If you think it does, post it to N.A.N.A.E. and find out why you're wrong.
Bulk paper mail pays for postal services. Bulk e-mail pays for nothing, you are paying to receive it. There is no US Internet Service collecting revenue from bulk e-mailers. Spam doesn't subsidize squat, which is one of the reasons we have so much spam! (it's cheap)
Sending you porn would be. Sending you offers on a time share in Barbados would not. If it's actually happened, try getting your local police to talk to you about it. Yes, I'm serious, if nothing less it's a good civics lesson for ya.
There is one valid point in this meeting, as was explained when this news broke on N.A.N.A.E a few days ago. IF "we" didn't meet with "them", then "them" would have the ability to say "But the anti-commerce radicals wouldn't even talk to us.". By meeting with "them", "we" have deprived "them" of that excuse.
Unattributed because I don't remember which of the gods of F.R.E.E. said it.
Elusiv - This is not about Bill Gates' fortune. This is about the future of software. Several little MSes running around competing with one another would be good for a unified Linux community. B'sides, if MS-OS and MS-Apps are split, I'll bet my catnip mouse on MS-Office for Linux within 6 months after the announcement.
Heh. All polls are biased. You cannot ask a question without some bias. For instance, consider these:
Do cats make better pets than dogs? Yes() No() Best pet: Dog () Cat () Fish () Ferret () Cats make better pets. Agree() Disagree () Cats rule, dogs drool
They all contain some bias, in an increasing pro-cat direction. You could skew pro-dog (why, I don't understand) but the point is you cannot ask a neutral question.
Yep, in my second life I was one of the brave souls who installed DR-DOS and tried to run Win 3.1 on it. There were minor compatability problems, but Digital Research (the DR in DR-DOS) had solutions for 'em. Of course, telling a PHB that you have to tell the OS to lie to the application didn't go over well, and within a year we were a pure MS shop. The DOJ suit was, well, interesting...but this one has teeth and claws. DR went bust, in part because of this, so there's definite claims for damages. And as for the MS FUD of "it's old technology", dog $hit! Caldera is positioning DR-DOS as a low-end embedded OS. Think about it...an army of experienced programmers, a well-tested well-understood very small kernel. Makes sense.
My humans' VCR toasted itself last month. The cost for a nice new VCR vs. a DVD was close. Not equal, but close. Left on their own, they would have bought the DVD player. I decided to get them to buy a cheapo VCR, mostly because of Slashdot's coverage of the Tivo device, which I want more than a sexy VCR or a DVD.
Big thanks to Rob and Robin (and Hemos the Hamster). Meow.
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Why, so we can leverage the new cool tech gear to further our goal of world domination, of course! Meow.
< While I wish I could say linux would be the < obvious choice, I don't think that would be < the case with these two companies. They're not < going to go for an open-source OS just because < they don't like microsoft. Welcome to reality. The humans in charge (relatively) at these companies are anti-MS, not pro-Open Source. They aren't going to pick Linux (or *BSD or BeOS), they're going to pick something that puts $$$$ in their own pockets. AOL-OS makes a frightening amount of sense here. Throw enough bits of Sun's code under the hood, then AOL-OS which contains an integrated web browser/word processor. (or would that be StarOffice?) meow
Irrelevent anti-M$ flamebat trotted out every time SCO comes up. Please moderate into oblivion. SCO doesn't take orders from Redmond any more than they take orders from Orem.
Agreed, I know many humans who won't buy without touching the hardware. But. The overhead on running these things, just from the lease and the power and the heat and not even getting into the sales drone salaries etc. is significant. It's why Dell and Gateway never sold direct via CompUSA or Best Buy, never went head-to-head with Compaq and HP.
So, you've got most of the overhead (except inventory) of a traditional retail, and your targetted opponent is Best Buy, who are selling stripped-down Compaq or HP boxes for slightly more $$$$ because now they're cutting every corner too, right? Maybe it's because I'm just a cat, but I don't see how this idea would ever work.
Why sell these? Because Dell is starting to kick Gateway's ass on family sales, that's why. Retail is not the way to sell computers (just ask Inca or Computerland or Entre' or Egghead) but what did Gateway do? Open Gateway Country stores! Gateway is in severe need of a server market to compete with Dell in the corp arena, and this will help. I just worry that they'll end up messing up a good thing.
Yeah, megadollars that get 'em what, an OS they can barely support and that requires developers to do a seperate port of every app? B'sides, Linux is HOT!
> The last time IBM threw it's sales force behind > a new technology, it brought on the PC > revolution of the 80s. I think you forgot the AS/400 revolution. Of course, that was mostly fought out of sight, and was actually a rear-guard market-protection deal, but they did throw their sales drones into it...
Automotive will be radically different in 20 years.
CAE/CAD/CAM (Computer Aided Engineering, Drafting, and Manufacturing) currently allows feeding an automated assembly line nothing but parts. No workers to manage, and if you want to go from making cable boxes to making game stations, just point-and-click. Many suppliers to the automotive industry already use early versions of these automated lines, but (GM especially) can't get out of union contracts, and can't do enough with robots yet. Wait 10 years, and the robots will be able to replace *enough* of the unions. Hell, Chrysler bought 2 automated lines that will put together entire cars from components without human involvement 3 years ago!
Want a '67 Mustang? Log onto ford.com and request that they fab you one. The blueprints are available, or will be. It's just a matter of programming the body panels into the stamping press, and you'll get that body over the current drive train. And with a built-in AM/FM/MP3 stereo, too! The database and automated assembly line will be there inside of 20 years, probably inside of 10. Ditto a '24 Dusenberg. Ditto a '74 firebird. Ditto a '78 Reliant, if you must, any body that's ever been built can be rebuilt.
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It's called whitelisting, and AOL will let you do it. You can also put it into effect with a simple filter provided your ISP will trust you with a .forward file.
Meow
The DMA proposal, in a nutshell -
You send an e-mail every 6 months to let the DMA know you don't want to receive e-mail, and all DMA members agree to abide by your wishes.
Meow
I like it.
Now get the WTO and the UN to put it into their requirements for membership so it'll apply outside the U.S., okay?
Otherwise, all that will happen is the bastards will register domains overseas where a few bucks will shut up the local cops, have the servers located in the U.S. on a fat backbone, and spam with impunity, or just keep relay-raping Chinese servers and blasting us that way.
The only way to attack it is to make spamming so costly that nobody would stoop to do it through RBL and ORBS keeping spam out of our mailboxes, teergrube slowing spam runs down to a crawl, tighter security on all internet-accessible servers that have sendmail (shut port 25, people!), fines for abusing an account, and public humilliation campaigns.
All are being tried, with varying success. Pick one and advocate it, the rest does not scale and/or does not work. If you think it does, post it to N.A.N.A.E. and find out why you're wrong.
Meow.
Xoom make their bucks off banner ads.
Bulk paper mail pays for postal services.
Bulk e-mail pays for nothing, you are paying to receive it.
There is no US Internet Service collecting revenue from bulk e-mailers. Spam doesn't subsidize squat, which is one of the reasons we have so much spam! (it's cheap)
Meow
Sending you porn would be.
Sending you offers on a time share in Barbados would not.
If it's actually happened, try getting your local police to talk to you about it. Yes, I'm serious, if nothing less it's a good civics lesson for ya.
Meow
So you want me to use my processor cycles and bandwidth to receive crap and then filter it?
How is that different from what I'm doing now, other than it's sneaky and underpawed and I don't get to see (let alone lart) the spam?
You are a troll, and should be moderated on your pointy head with a mallet.
And yes, I am a Lumber Cartel Kitty.
Meow
There is one valid point in this meeting, as was explained when this news broke on N.A.N.A.E a few days ago.
IF "we" didn't meet with "them", then "them" would have the ability to say "But the anti-commerce radicals wouldn't even talk to us.".
By meeting with "them", "we" have deprived "them" of that excuse.
Unattributed because I don't remember which of the gods of F.R.E.E. said it.
Meow
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Elusiv -
This is not about Bill Gates' fortune.
This is about the future of software.
Several little MSes running around competing with one another would be good for a unified Linux community.
B'sides, if MS-OS and MS-Apps are split, I'll bet my catnip mouse on MS-Office for Linux within 6 months after the announcement.
Think about it.
Meow
Heh.
All polls are biased. You cannot ask a question without some bias.
For instance, consider these:
Do cats make better pets than dogs? Yes() No()
Best pet: Dog () Cat () Fish () Ferret ()
Cats make better pets. Agree() Disagree ()
Cats rule, dogs drool
They all contain some bias, in an increasing pro-cat direction. You could skew pro-dog (why, I don't understand) but the point is you cannot ask a neutral question.
Meow
one email address databased
Hey, if they want to send e-mail to my spam trap, they're welcome to.
If it's on-topic, I may not even complain.
I mean, DOS and Windows are their products.
Windows is their product, yes. MS-DOS also. DR-DOS was a competing product written by Digital Research. Completely (well, 99.x%) compatible.
So what does MS do? Set up Windows 3.1 to read the make of the DOS it's running on top of, and error if it's not MS-DOS.
Deliberately stifling a competing OS by altering a package they control so it will only work with an OS they control.
That's anti-competitive behaviour, and while it may or may not be legal (up to the jury) it certainly sucks.
Got it now?
Meow.
Yep, in my second life I was one of the brave souls who installed DR-DOS and tried to run Win 3.1 on it.
There were minor compatability problems, but Digital Research (the DR in DR-DOS) had solutions for 'em.
Of course, telling a PHB that you have to tell the OS to lie to the application didn't go over well, and within a year we were a pure MS shop.
The DOJ suit was, well, interesting...but this one has teeth and claws. DR went bust, in part because of this, so there's definite claims for damages.
And as for the MS FUD of "it's old technology", dog $hit! Caldera is positioning DR-DOS as a low-end embedded OS. Think about it...an army of experienced programmers, a well-tested well-understood very small kernel. Makes sense.
Meow
My humans' VCR toasted itself last month.
The cost for a nice new VCR vs. a DVD was close. Not equal, but close. Left on their own, they would have bought the DVD player.
I decided to get them to buy a cheapo VCR, mostly because of Slashdot's coverage of the Tivo device, which I want more than a sexy VCR or a DVD.
Big thanks to Rob and Robin (and Hemos the Hamster).
Meow.
Why, so we can leverage the new cool tech gear to further our goal of world domination, of course!
Meow.
< While I wish I could say linux would be the < obvious choice, I don't think that would be < the case with these two companies. They're not < going to go for an open-source OS just because < they don't like microsoft.
Welcome to reality.
The humans in charge (relatively) at these companies are anti-MS, not pro-Open Source. They aren't going to pick Linux (or *BSD or BeOS), they're going to pick something that puts $$$$ in their own pockets.
AOL-OS makes a frightening amount of sense here. Throw enough bits of Sun's code under the hood, then AOL-OS which contains an integrated web browser/word processor. (or would that be StarOffice?)
meow
Irrelevent anti-M$ flamebat trotted out every time SCO comes up.
Please moderate into oblivion.
SCO doesn't take orders from Redmond any more than they take orders from Orem.
(hint: Novell owns more of SCO than M$)
Agreed, I know many humans who won't buy without touching the hardware.
But.
The overhead on running these things, just from the lease and the power and the heat and not even getting into the sales drone salaries etc. is significant.
It's why Dell and Gateway never sold direct via CompUSA or Best Buy, never went head-to-head with Compaq and HP.
So, you've got most of the overhead (except inventory) of a traditional retail, and your targetted opponent is Best Buy, who are selling stripped-down Compaq or HP boxes for slightly more $$$$ because now they're cutting every corner too, right?
Maybe it's because I'm just a cat, but I don't see how this idea would ever work.
And they make money how?
Didn't GW buy ALR? Thought that was to be their big entry into serverland...
Why sell these? Because Dell is starting to kick Gateway's ass on family sales, that's why.
Retail is not the way to sell computers (just ask Inca or Computerland or Entre' or Egghead) but what did Gateway do? Open Gateway Country stores!
Gateway is in severe need of a server market to compete with Dell in the corp arena, and this will help. I just worry that they'll end up messing up a good thing.
Meow.
Yeah, megadollars that get 'em what, an OS they can barely support and that requires developers to do a seperate port of every app?
B'sides, Linux is HOT!
> The last time IBM threw it's sales force behind > a new technology, it brought on the PC > revolution of the 80s. I think you forgot the AS/400 revolution. Of course, that was mostly fought out of sight, and was actually a rear-guard market-protection deal, but they did throw their sales drones into it...
Automotive will be radically different in 20 years.
CAE/CAD/CAM (Computer Aided Engineering, Drafting, and Manufacturing) currently allows feeding an automated assembly line nothing but parts. No workers to manage, and if you want to go from making cable boxes to making game stations, just point-and-click.
Many suppliers to the automotive industry already use early versions of these automated lines, but (GM especially) can't get out of union contracts, and can't do enough with robots yet.
Wait 10 years, and the robots will be able to replace *enough* of the unions. Hell, Chrysler bought 2 automated lines that will put together entire cars from components without human involvement 3 years ago!
Want a '67 Mustang? Log onto ford.com and request that they fab you one. The blueprints are available, or will be. It's just a matter of programming the body panels into the stamping press, and you'll get that body over the current drive train. And with a built-in AM/FM/MP3 stereo, too!
The database and automated assembly line will be there inside of 20 years, probably inside of 10.
Ditto a '24 Dusenberg.
Ditto a '74 firebird.
Ditto a '78 Reliant, if you must, any body that's ever been built can be rebuilt.