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SuSE Coming on DVD
SuSE has announced that its next release, 6.3, will be available on DVD as well as CD. The release date is supposedly December. I hope this practce catches on. Debian 2.1 was 2 discs for just binaries, and it's much larger now. I have a 6 disc set of SuSE 6.2. The packaging is both neat and clumsy. Too bad the only DVD player I own is connected to my stereo....
Are you sure? The software that came with my (US Region 1) Creative DVDROM wouldn't even let me copy a .vob file from the DVD to the hard drive from either Explorer or from DOS on a region 2 DVD until I flashed the DVD firmware and downloaded RegionSelect. Maybe this was just a Creative-only "feature". Maybe.
APS Tech has a SCSI DVD-RAM, but their DVD-ROMs are all IDE. :(
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At least you could reformat them and use them. BTW, you could still get '95 on floppy by special request. Did this ever extend to '98/2k/NT?
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I guess Linus is either working on a modified devfs or an alternative scheme that will satisfy the naysayers.
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Or he is waiting for someone else to come up with the "right" solution, as he did with the big memory on Intel.
Jeroen Nijhof
What will the DVD version cost, compared to the CD's? I couldn't find the price (or the announcement) on their site. I don't think that the medium itself will make much of a difference compared to the overall cost of a copy of the distribution...
I was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that the current CD fabs are not equipped to stamp DVD discs, and as such there was a certain amount of capital investment necessary to either bring the CD fab up to DVD par, or build a new plant for DVD's. Either way, the fabs (and upgrades) are costly and as such the supply of DVD fabs is relatively low, so DVD stamping is more expensive than CD stamping.
Umm. SuSE would be on a DVD-ROM disc - you don't have to do any decoding on a DVD-ROM, just on DVD-Video discs. Also, there's been nothing "inconsistent" about my DVD-ROM drive's record of reading discs in Linux - Linux sees it as just a really BIG CD-ROM drive, and it doesn't care - it reads it just the same. (It just isn't (yet) playing DVD-Video discs...)
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Uhm, no. I think all debs are compressed gzip and I know that all of them that I've ever looked at are.
Or more accurately, they are 'ar' archives of a few packaging files, with the actual binaries from the package in a gzipped tar file.
For example, take a look at the latest grep deb, grep_2.3-7_i386.deb:
The file data.tar.gz contains the actual package binaries, man pages, etc., while the control.tar.gz file contains the installation and removal scripts
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What did we ask you a lesson on what a DVD is? Then shaddup! The article is about Linux coming on DVD. Let's stay on topic.
OK so it's late (no-one will ever read this) and I'll probably lose a load of Karma for saying this (but in case you moderators care...I really am trying to make a serious point here)...but here goes!
It seems like a great idea to put linux on dvd if it's so big it won't go on a single/double cd. But WHY is it so big?? I've never delved much into suse but it just seems rather big if it needs 4+ cds. Even M$ don't make an OS that big, and linux is supposed to be small & compact? Something just doesn't add up in my mind. Is it that these distros come with loads of apps which aren't actually part of the OS? In which case, can you get just the OS on one cd?
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See Interplay's order page. Unfortunately, the DVD version is identical to the CD version; they didn't bundle in the expansion.
Publishers will continue to release CDROM versions as long as they think it makes economic sense to do so, as they did with floppies. When something you really want comes out only on DVD, don't pout too much: 2X DVD-ROM drives are down to $40.
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I hadn't really thought about this until now, but I take this to mean cd's are quickly becoming obsolete. With floppy drives still included on computers, I still consider the CD to be new technology. But with Linux distributions shipping on 6 CDs, it seems to be time to move on to something else.
Will this be the test for obsolete removable media? I mean, if it takes any more than one piece of media (i.e. one cd, or one floppy) to store a program or distribution of an operating system, is that an accurate sign that its time for something new? CDs seem to have become old technology before ever maturing. Sure, you can record and even re-write them, but the recordable drives were never as cheap and ubiquitous as floppy drives. I'm still waiting for a replacement for the floppy. Maybe DVD will be it.
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You make that statement as though you were conversant with all the details. What piece of $400 software are you talking about? There was decoder hardware that I believe came on a PCI board that might correspond to your claim but that is no longer an issue. Current Macs that come with DVD-ROM drives include software decoding DVD player software. It is most likely the case that with a G3 you could download this software from Apple (or a friend) and you should be fine.
UDF support under Linux only sorta works and in read only mode only. How big can an ISO9660 filesystem get before it buckles under its own weight anyway? And when can Linux read/delete/write to CDRWs readable by Adaptec's DirectCD?
You obviously live in the non-modem world. Try doing it over a 56k dialup. Not everyone has the luxury of dsl/isdn/leased/t1/etc.
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/me has dreams of every arch + source on one dvd
/me wakes up and realizes i don't have dvd drive and neither does just about any one else
"from the less-discs-more-data dept."
It's _fewer_ discs, not less discs. This is reallllly basic stuff folks, the sort of thing you learn age 14 when English is taught as a foreign language.
Countable => fewer
Uncountable -> less
"There is less water in the lake today".
"I have fewer coffee mugs".
DVD's are more expensive because less fabs have the technology to burn the higher density DVD disks. But DVD drives are almost as cheap as CD drives of equivalent speed. With more demand for DVD's, because the drives are so cheeply available, more demand will arise for the actual discs, and as such the cost of DVD manufacturing will go down (according to scale). As for CD's dissappearing, I'm giving them two to three years until you *need* a CD player to get the goods. :)
My experience installing off a CD in my DVD-ROM drive is that it's remarkably fast. Possibly you aren't getting good throughput from your CD-ROM drive for some reason. DVDs are almost an order of magnitude more dense than CDs, so I would expect an even higher transfer rate from a DVD.
Its about time a linux distrubution hade the sense to make a dvd release. The one cd distrubtion don't hold enough packages and the multiple cd spanning installations are just annoying (i like to not have to sit in front of the computer and watch the packages install)
For the person remarking about the size of SuSE: Interesting - RH6.0 was 3 CD's, i think, and you couldn't install it on a zip disk. SuSE 6.2 is 6 CD's and it can still be installed on a zip disk - it's just a matter of how compact the original disk is. As for the # of disks, it seems to be expanding at a linear rate.
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I may be missing the boat here, but I thought DVD drives weren't supported by linux. I mean, I'm using one right now, but Linux thinks it's a plain old ATAPI CD-ROM. I assume that the proverbial "bad things" will happen if i try to read a DVD-ROM. . .
Wouldn't make much sense to distribute an OS on a medium the OS can't use, would it?
Tetris rules.
There are some Mac SCSI DVDs, but since most Macs have IDE now (as well as already having DVDs from the factory in many cases) they're getting rare. You might just want to get an IDE controller card and IDE DVD since they'll add up to be less than the SCSI DVD I bet. Too bad if you're short on slots....
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This is NOT a current G3...
Yet.. you are right.. it IS the pci card that's required.
They still neglected to mention such on the phone.
(Sorry I don't know more about macs... I prefer Motorola chips in big-iron machines)
Friends don't let friends buy Compaq's. (Dell/Gateway... same same) You want a good computer? Build it yourself.
This will definitly be nice seeing that SuSE has been growing by one CD since 6.0 (excluding the live filesystem cd). Plus it will help with remote installation of packages via Yast since no disc swapping will be necessary. Now to just find a cheap 4x or so DVD drive.
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First of all, SuSE has always been a top-notch distro, they have lots of smart people working for them. Because of that, I'm sure that SuSE will probably do something like have 6.3DVD come with a bootable CD-ROM that does all the module loading, formatting, etc. After you select which modules you want to install, they'll probably have you enter the DVD disc for all the packages. A simple, effective solution. ;) Go SuSE!
Mina Inerz
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Can we have a day on slashdot with just DVD related articles? I think it'd be pretty fun. Regardless, I think this is a great idea, assuming they market them cheaply (we hope). Any problems getting a standard dvd drive to read the full disk space or can that already be done now?
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First of all, SuSE has always been a top-notch distro, they have lots of smart people working for them. Because of that, I'm sure that SuSE will probably do something like have 6.3DVD come with a bootable CD-ROM that does all the module loading, formatting, etc. After you select which modules you want to install, they'll probably have you enter the DVD disc for all the packages. A simple, effective solution. ;) Go SuSE!
Mina Inerz [N. Reinking]
I'm short on cash and really want a DVD player. I'm afraid that will drive me to do something I would regret later.
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No, El-Torito should work with UDF too, because UDF preserves first 8k for backward compability. I haven't tried it , but UDF specs says so. In addition, you can have UDF and ISO9660 on the same disc. This is used on CD-RWs, you can install UDF filesystem (currently only for windows) from ISO volume, (reboot) and read UDF volume.
DVD drives are just seen as a standard ATAPI Disc drive to the computer. The only difference between DVD drives and CD drives are the lasers used to read the data off the disk.
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hell yeah! this is neat... one question tho: can you boot an OS from a DVD drive? (I can't see the option for that in my BIOS :o)
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I only got about 1.5 megabyte per second from my CD-ROM.
and could cheapbytes and places like that duplicate these? anyone got a DVD copier? (not DVD ram)
how much $ for it? how much for blank DVDs?
Ok, less than 12, I get the idea. Thanks guys. I was like 8 at the time, and it was my first experience with computer gaming. But I am quite sure that KQ5 was 20+ disks.
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Same book, same Distro, just 1 DVD instead of 6 CDs.
Frank
It is faster to install via FTP than from my 24x CD-ROM, and I guess DVD is not much faster either. I'll remain an FTP installer.
I can just see it now. A worldwide region 0 linux distro with standard crypto and a region 1 (US and Canada) locked one for the distro with the strong crypto tools.
and higher seek times if the data is poorly organized.
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Can a DVD be made bootable, and if so, is there existing hardware support for this? This would seem important for releasing flexible operating system installations. Floppies are old fashioned, just look at the iMac. (j/k)
Until that time, I'm quite happy using the so mature they're dead cheap technology of CD-ROMs.
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(Since playing DVDs under Linux, till recently seemingly only a frustrating dream, now gets closer and closer ...)
And is there a USB icon, too?
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Just a thought for all software developers like me who want to test an app on differnt plaforms.. Apple has a package for MacOS developers that has all OSs from 7.1 to 8.6 on a DVD for your compatibility testing pleasure; Prehaps the same with Linux and *bsd would be useful as well?
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I just wrote to cheapbytes and asked about their dvd plans.
Basically, they said "not yet." The price-per-disk is coming down nicely, but the hefty set-up cost makes them wary of titles that won't sell well. They're waiting for better market penetration of the drives.
The coolest thing about Linux on CD is that the CD's are bootable. I don't have a DVD-ROM drive so I was kind of wondering: Are DVD-ROM drives bootable? I guess DVD's really are catching on now. I thought it was one of those fad technologies like LaserDiscs or DAT audio tapes. This is a step in the right direction for the whole software industry.
I guess DVD's really are catching on now. I thought it was one of those fad technologies like LaserDiscs or DAT audio tapes. This is a step in the right direction for the whole software industry.
I think it's cool that SuSE is doing this, but my main question is, how long until we get DVD burners for home use? I imagine recordable DVD CD's are probably relatively more expensive than CD-R's, but at the same time, one can store several (if not more) CD-R's worth of information on a single DVD.
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Does this mean we'll get exclusive DVD-only features like a widescreen installer? How about "the making of SuSE Linux" video?
How about linux installer subtitles in 87 languages? Simultaneously too?
Can your IM do this?
wolf3d was on 2 or 3, doom was 5.
I had win95 beta on floppies, that was fun ~21 floppies. OS2 was about the same.
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I think that it needs to be renamed, DVD is obviously used for more then video now. I would think that eventually it would replace CDs, used to music, video, and of course data.
-Zach
"I told you a million times not to exaggerate!"
I received two copies of FreeBSD (2.2 and 3.2) on DVD's already... but it's no use to me right now since I don't have a DVD-ROM in my computer.
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:)
They are very rare, so I'm definitely going to keep it for myself
Anywho... it's nice to see that more and more orgs and companies are making DVD-ROM a very reliable and smart storage solution. I wouldn't mind buying a subscription of DVD's that mirror the data on ftp.cdrom.com
Yup, I'm getting a DVD just for this, I can still remeber installing OS/2 Merlin, inser disk #44 here. :| The best thing is that there is finaly a good use for DVD on PC, seeing as how much most linux users are getting fed up with switching CD's, I think these kind a steps should increase DVD-player sales.
Someone lied to you. It's "Digital Versatile Disc".
According to the ads here in the UK.
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Yeah. I dread moving to 56K- I've seen transfer rates spike at 4-5 meg/s to metalab/sunsite.unc.edu from my room, and consistent rates of 800K/s. At that speed, I easily beat CD. But not for long :(
~luge
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Someone lied to you too. It doesn't actually stand for anything. I read that somewhere a long time ago.
Ill put it up on my FTP site. You can download vie my high speed 28.8K modem. Login: cypherpunks/cypherpunks :)
I have to return some videotapes...
You mean you haven't been playing Riven: The Shorter, Better Looking Version of Myst?
-Chris
Wow - playing the SuSE DVD on your stereo would be even more fun than 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/audio'!
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Then maybe my lil' bro's G3 would be able to use the
DVD player he had installed when he bought it...
The one they didn't tell him he needed extra software (==$400) to watch movies with.
Don'tcha just love build it yourself Macintosh ordering personell?
(No.. I wasn't around when he ordered it, or that wouldn't have happened)
Friends don't let friends buy Compaq's. (Dell/Gateway... same same) You want a good computer? Build it yourself.
now distributed on DVD...can you say technically superior?
it just amazes me how sun/sgi/hp can even get away with marketting their slow/insecure/unscalable and poorly coded closed source operating systems on overpriced, underperforming hardware these days.
linux/intel outshines, outscales and outperforms all other unix operating systems hands down!
now with DVD install, GNOME desktop, linux just keeps innovating and blowing away the competition!
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I'm not positive on this but I think some alan cox kernels have support for large files. I could be totally wrong thoug. It just sounds like something that crazy old hacker might do.
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Is it a Director's cut? Subtitled? And hopefully in Letterbox! Can't stand the translations of this wonderful movie! I hope the add back in the scenes that they cut for the theatrical release...
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I have used SuSe 6.1 to do minimalist installs of under forty megs. (I couldn't live without the libs for Festival and fortune; nothing like starting the car to fortune) Just because the distro has 3,717 packages doesn't mean that it isnt perfectly functional with fewer than 100.
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I have a DVD (Pioneer 303s) and a CD ROM (Burner, Plexwriter) on my 7890. I can boot CDs from either drive.
I do not know if there is a spec for bootable DVDs. The spec for bootable CDs is called "El Torrito" and is an extention to iso 9660. I don't think that there is any similar spec for DVD's. (What do they use, UFS or something like that?)
-P
Not to be pessimistic, but what happens if you want to install packages after installation, given that Linux can't read DVD's consistently? Or can they make it so no decoding needs to be done? Or are they planning to have a reliable method for reading DVD's by then?
of course you can have a DVD burner for home use- you just have to pay 7000 dollars for it.
I'm sure this trend will continue. It really is a chicken and egg syndrome. First there needs to be enough DVD drives in the field to make it worth the publisher's time and expense to produce the DVD distribution. But, people are still questioning the need for DVD drives. Luckily, the movies being available on DVD are helping to kick-start the availability of DVD drives.
Remember how long it took for CD's to take over the software distribution. For a long time the software was being distributed on floppy (first 5 1/4, then 3 1/2), until now software only comes on CD. Be patient, it will come.
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First the curse. SuSE 6.2 is already 6 CDs, and that's a lot of packages (although, thankfully, it seemed decently organized... and the INDEX file means that with grep, it's not a problem figuring out what's where.) However, with all that extra space... is there going to be much reason to allow for minimalist distributions? or encouraging compact packages?
However, it might be a nifty boost to the multi-distro folks. Imagine a DVD with just the GPL'd versions of multiple distros, and one front-end that asks for which installer to use...
It'd be nice if they bring back the live filesystem with the main distribution rather than as a separate product.
Or, say others could package a minimalist distro, a full-featured distro, and a BSD or two onto the same disc. Or a distro plus a Sunsite pub/linux mirror...
And so forth.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Think about how much more bloated MS products will get when they have all the room on a DVD to play with. I just installed MS Visual Studio, and I thought it obscene that it required 550Mb. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
heh you always get a 'installing from floppies' flashback when suse asks you for the next cdrom.
wise move by the suse team, those crazy germans.
I belive he was just refering to the way the computer saw the disk, in otherwords, you didn't really need any new drivers to get them to work. I've managed to get a frends computer up and running, reading CDs with an old ATAPI CD-rom driver, eventhough it was a DVD-rom drive. I'm not sure if older drivers would beable to handle the larger storage aria
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This is absolutely right. Digital Versatile Disc. It also happens to be VERY easily called Video Disc for very obvious reasons.
DVD is a beautiful thing. With no strings on this box, put together over the summer. Debian potato installed, but that shouldn't make any difference. It's still ATAPI. Normal CD's mount. The one non-video DVD I have mounted with the latest kernel (with the file system enabled of course ;-)).
Now, Video is the issue. DVD Data doesn't deal with locational locks or encryption, or any of that cack. Video cares, but the encryption seems as good as the US gov't seems to like. It didn't take long to crack. Go figure.
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Hmm. Is a DVD CROM bootable?
Actually, the worlds overpopulations problems *aren't* in the industrialized nations where these medical advances are taking place. There was a good article in wired talking about how the predictions of mass world starvation by 1970 were off (gee, really?), today we are producing more food then was ever possible, with even less farmers.
That fact brings up an interesting point about 'technology for societies sake', what about all the advances in agricultural science in the world? Without those advances the world would be starving, but they were made, and the world, in general, is not starving (save a few paces where political, not economic difficulties prevent food from reaching the mouths of the hungry)
Anyway, As more of the third world reaches our 'dangerously high' levels of technology, there birthrates will go down not up. A lot of Japan's economic trouble right now is caused by birthrates that are two low, not to high.
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The Pioneer U03S is an excellent SCSI DVD-ROM (6x). A SCSI version of their new 10x DVD-ROM will be (is?) released. The 10x is RPC-2 protected. The 6x is not (As long as you do not remove the RPC jumper).
ByeHop onto the DVD bandwagon while there's still
drives that have RPC-1 (region playback control).
I have tested about 15 different models of 8X
or higher DVD drives, and they were ALL RPC-2,
meaning, you can't change region code for DVD
disks more than 5 times. Until a hacked firmware
shows up, but that's very uncertain.
Who cares about SuSE on DVD, get an RPC-1 drive
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I've seen these posts two days in a row, and I must say, they definitely are adding to my day. Come on people, figure out it's a joke and laugh a little. I think it's hilarious. =)
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Heheh :) Definately, I'm glad SUSE is doing this. Finally I can say that my DVD-ROM is worth the money I paid last month [my GF almost killed me] after I splurged for a Sony 21" Earlier this year :) The Matrix on a 21" KICKS ASS!
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This is a great thing. Like the days before the CD-ROM became universal, there were wonderful things like "Insert disk #15". We are seeing software ship with multiple CDs, in some cases all of which are absolutely necesary to use the software. DVD can buy us at least a few years before that happens again. Linux distributions won't have to think twice about whether or not its worth putting that last program on the disc, or devoting the space to something else, after this catches on. Good move SUSE, this will improve Linux and get me to buy a DVD drive.
I've been waiting to see this for quite a while -- but I'm curious as to what they are going to do with the people that are still using archaic CD's
I realize they are going to be making the CD set -- but will their be a cost difference etc to compensate for the extra 5-6 0.2 cent disks?
I'm pretty sure DVD's are the same cost to produce as CD, could be mistaken -- but I am having flashbacks of the transition from floppy to CD-Rom... if I have to mail off to get a set of CD-Rom's I'm going to be a bit irritated..
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Granted, I recall trying v4.0 via floppy. Future Brother in Law brought over a box of 50 floppies and said "You won't need the 12 or so with xwindows..."
Now it comes on a DVD. Odd that this is the same system you can install on a matchbox sized server.
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I have a DVD drive in my laptop, and it has no problems booting the red hat CD and installing
I'm guessing it's the same all around, because it uses mostly the same data standards. Just more data
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Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
The only difference between DVD drives and CD drives are the lasers used to read the data off the disk.
And of course the little side effect of drastically increased storage capacity means nothing.
Why is it that techie types seem to get obsessed about the technology behind the result and sometimes act like the technology behind something is everything, when the technology is nothing more than a means to an end, and the end is what is really important.
Finally use SuSE users won't be prompted to insert CD-ROM disk #4. DVDs and Linux are a good combonation. Linux distros can more easily package all the components they want to include without a 4 pound box filled with CDs. Especially SuSE, 6.1 had 5 CDs and 6.2 has 6, which means a lot of extra goodies that don't need to be downloaded but that comes at the cost of keeping track of half a dozen CDs.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Acording to a quick check of my debian archive.
.debs , debs are compressed with bzip2.
Potato has 1.78 GB of binary-i386
over 4100 packages.
There is supposed to be an anouncement on the debian feature freeze today.
Cody, is that you? That has to be you. I can't imagine anyone else going by a variation of Judge talking about his 35" TV and 19" monitor...
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I was looking through these messages for answers to my question regarding bootability from a DVDROM disk. I had seen some answers, but they were clearly not thought out very well. Both the drive hardware, media hardware, and media format is different with DVD disks. Booting a regular CD in a DVD drive means nothing. There are three issues, the drive itself, the physical media, and the data format of the CD. What is the data format that DVD disks use? We know that an El-Torito CDROM disk will boot in a DVD drive, but the disk is still not a DVD. I believe that El-Torito bootable CDs also MUST be ISO9660 in their format, is this true? There are other formats such as ISO9660 Xtra, JOLIET -- which I know is NOT bootable -- and CDUDFRW. DVD disks probably do not use ISO9660. There will have to be systemboard BIOS issues. I believe that there are several types of physical media formats because of the different data capacities. We have a standard with CDs (Thank you Sony and Philips), but with DVDs, every company and their dead grandmothers poodle has been trying to make their own format the standard for monetary purposes, thus all of those different types of DVD disks, dare I mention those super audio disks? We may find information at http://www.cd-info.com/ I am going there next. Will post if answers found. What about SPARC? I do not know how their booting CDROMs are different other than the boot block size difference, which I belive is also true or Macintosh systems. I use Debian which has been ported to many different platforms -- SPARC, i386, Alpha, M68K -- and I question the use of DVD for these systems. There is no way that my SPARC 10 is going to boot on a DVD. Regular old CDs will still be around for some time, but using DVD disks is a good idea. The next version of Debian LINUX will take up three CDs just for the binaries. This will help. I very seriously doubt that any DVD disk at this time is bootable or could be made to do so, unless they conform to the El-Torito standard which I doubt that they do.
But how is the linux side of it?? The last time I tried to set up a DVD drive I had nothing but trouble. I finally just put in an old 16x CD rom... (After all, until now I didn't need one for linux...)
Also would like to add that kudos to SuSE for this one. They consistently have the most complete distro, even if they try to install everything in German... I just hope that they keep all of the great things involved in the OS. The live filesystem, the bootable CD, etc. We use the live system cd here often for troubleshooting.
~Jason Maggard
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Movies on a 19" monitor may not sound all that great, but remember that monitors are non-interlaced, which makes a world of difference compared to TVs. Watching The Matrix on my 19" computer monitor is not bad at all; the picture is great even when you get really close. So that's why a DVD drive for your computer is a Good Thing, especially now that 1) Linux will be playing DVDs decently real soon now and 2) Linux distributions are beginning to arrive on the medium.
-Entropy [think outside the system]
WOLFENSTIEN 3D was 3 1.44MB Floppies [I still have them]
mm, I think I wanna play a game.
I think DOOM was 12 Floppies
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Origionaly, the name was Video, but aperantly some people didn't like the name, and wanted it changed to "Versatile". In the end, the meaning behind the name was completly dropped. "DVD" dosn't stand for anything.
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Well, you're right: DVD and USB are different things.
Re: DVD -- there might not be that many non-movie DVD articles here, but in truth it's the movie-related ones I'm interested in mostly. I think it's cool that SuSE will have a DVD distro, though! (Didn't FreeBSD have a DVD distro starting months ago? Or was that strictly a hypothetical?) I like it partly because it will encourage more people to buy DVD drives for their massive storage -- and hopefully then want more from the hardware they've already paid for. The more Free / free OS users with DVD drives, the better as far as I'm concerned. There have been a string of hope-inspiring bits about DVD lately, as the software and hardware under Linux (and hopefully soon for the BSDs) come together. And as that happens (there are several projects working on Linux video already
And as for USB, I disagree that there are no articles dealing with it -- it's been a pretty good topic of conversation, especially when it comes to discussing what will be in upcoming kernels. And there ought to be more! USB devices are handy and no longer a curiosity in either the Mac or Windows worlds
Thumbing through a magazine ("Digital Camera"? Something like that) at a local bookstore a few hours ago, I also noticed a screen-color calibration device -- with a USB connection. There are all sorts of devices which use USB -- input devices (including bar code readers), storage devices, printes, scanners, blah blah blah
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Actually, I still have my Wolfenstein floppy. (Registered version) and it is just one floppy. Ultimate Doom 5. NT 4.0 and SP4 (In our shop by special request)63 Floppies!!! All because my PHB says, "We don't need CD rom's on all of the servers. That's an X-tra 50$ per unit." It cost us 24$ in shipping to get Microsoft to ship us SP4 on floppy. We spent ~24$ on floppies to make a backup set. The extra hour and a half it takes me to install the programs costs the company somewhere in the neighborhood of 50$.
My god! Do I really work here???????
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Is there any way to get the 6x to work with a hardware decoder like the Hollywood Plus? If so, how?
I agree with the cdrom bit. I speed several hundred thousand on an E6500 and get a 12x cdrom? Crack smokers.
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As I said, the only difference in the DRIVES is the laser. The DVD discs are what have the extra storage capacity. Just like the hard drive platters have the extra capacity and not the hard drive heads.
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cheapbytes should offer a DVD which includes SuSe, Red Hat, and Debian on it. Mmmmm.
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Also, to answer another poster, the potato freeze is being postponed until at least Nov 7, basically the holdup is the boot floppies - it's a bad idea to go into a freeze without working boot floppies.
I think it was abou time I think one DVD makes a lot more sense than 6 or more cds. At least if you've got a DVD drive that is
.. does anybody have a copy of DVD #8 of Microsoft Office 2000? Mine was eaten by the dog. DVDs #7 and #9 are okay, but number 8 has the paperclip on it and you can't have a complete Office installation without that little bastard.
please mail me if you have this dvd
...that I get to use my DVD-ROM for something useful
I was getting kinda worried about splashing out all that cash for a DVD-ROM a year or so ago and ending up using it for bog standard CD-ROMs and the odd pr0n DVD =)
-W
Don't you want a distro on 5.25" floppys?t all distro, I'm such a hacker." :)
That way you could tell your friends: "I use the-worlds-most-heavy-and-pain-in-the-arse-to-ins
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However, I'd hope they continue to use CD-ROM for those who don't yet have DVD.
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I prefer SuSE over other distros mainly because I find most of the stuff I need in one box. Using it both at work and home, I have always found rather uncomfortable to carry the 6 CD's with me -but I do it-.
The thing is... how often do I find a DVD drive in a office? And at a friend's?
I fear that I will have to carry the CD's with me anyway. Sigh!
For us living in the UK. Try SCAN'S Today Only page. It has a selection of SCSI DVDs for less than 100(ukp). Nice... :-) BadSoft, where did you want to go again...?
I want to meet the guy who invented beer and see whats he's up to now.
Speaking of ATAPI, has anybody seen any SCSI DVD-ROM drives lately besides the HiVal offerings (with the drive made by Pioneer)? I'm more of the "give-me-SCSI-or-give-me-death" user. Are those drives bootable as well?
No, I am not using the Creative Labs stuff. IDE drives give me the chills...
I might have to look for a separate decoder some day. Something that has to work with Linux and Windoze...
I didn't want to buy a DVD ROM for my computer, I thought "Hey, I dont wana see movies on my dinky lil 19" Monitor when I can watch em on my 35" TV". But seeing as we are starting to get some real use out of DVD besides just movies, I may have to splurge for one. I think Ill hold out awhile though before I buy my DVD player for the comp. I'd really like the DVD-RAM, but at 500-600$ for it and 20-40$ for each disks its a little out of my range. But kudos to SuSE for starting to make DVD's more useful. I always loved SuSE, now I know why. =]
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You have a point, but, without a new laser, the increased storage capacity would be irrelavant as nothing could access it. LArge advances in storage size occur with advances in read/write head design. This goes for all storage media.
Special DIVX-ROM with built in modem and user supplied phone connection required! $1.00 per install or "permanently unlock" your Linux distro (on single DIVX-ROM drive only, phone connection still required) for a $30.00 one time fee!
Pay up! Yep, that means you future mp3 DVD burners too!
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But seriously, this is great. While the rest of the world is getting excited about DVD movies and mega-games, I think the greatest thing about DVDs are more space! Just think: all the binary packages AND the source on ONE disk.
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Remember the last days of the "Software on Floppies" age? I still get warm fuzzies when I think of that stack of 21 disks which held King's Quest V. I think Wolfenstein 3d was 12. We're starting to reach that point with cds...