Once again, how does this help? Whether I get the package from another website or my own, I still have to install seperate from the actual install. It's a pain either way, and very stupid to have removed it from the distro.
It's not that Pine was the only reason I didn't install - it was a part of it, but not the only reason. Imagine ever server on your network requiring pine. Then imagine having to install FC1 on them, and then manually download and install it for every one because Pico was your main text editor and Pine was your required email interface. Then imagine the anaconda installer crashing on your during an upgrade, and then a complete resinstall would also not work on common hardware. Trust me, I did not WANT to move away from the only linux distro I had ever used in my life - I had to. I hate the yast part of Suse where it modifies my configs. But, atleast Suse installs correctly and has a ton of packages available to it.
I have found Fedora to suck ass. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I switched to Suse immediately after trying FC1 on 3 machines. It installed on a few, but I found a lot of missing packages I grew accustomed to on RH, one such one being pine. I know it's a licensing thing, but seriously, get over it people. Also, I had RH 9 on a box and I tried to upgrade it to FC1. It's a bad sign when the installer crashes consistently in the same section over and over again as I try to reinstall. Sure enough, this was a bug in FC1 that several people on news groups had also mentioned. So, FC1 was not even close to stable and usable for me. I'm happily using Suse 9 right now, even though I could do without the yast garbage always reconfiguring my apps on it's own.
Ha ha, I didn't realize I used the actual term "solar system":) Yeah, $30k is pretty damn cheap for one of those. Hell, I might even buy 2 for that price.
Solar power is very real, and many people already use it. Is it expensive? Yeah, for example a solar system to generate enough power for the average home would cost anywhere from $20k to $30k. Some states have to reimburse you for half your cost though - so immediately, you're down to $10k or $15k. Then, imagine that costing you about what a car payment would be for 5 years. Now imagine having that car payment *instead* of a utility bill. Now even better, imagine being paid off in 5 years - and then the panels and setup usually last 30 years. So, that equals 25 years of FREE energy. Most of these homes are still plugged into the grid so that at night they can either use the grid or batteries, while pumping excess onto the grid during the day to the power company has to buy that from you to power other homes in your area. Solar is great, and with rising natural gas costs, it's going to spread like a wildfire from global warming...
That being said, I'll also add that as far as the actual cpu goes, I have never, ever seen a faulty cpu. I work in IT, and have installed hundreds of Athlons, K6s, Pentiums (I, II, III, IV, Pro, Zeon), Cyrix, etc. Never seen a faulty one. I have however seen bad fans on heatsinks fry cpus and I have seen crappy chipsets make systems unstable. Power supplies also play a major role in system stability and durability, probably the largest role actually. My point is, when people say they go with Intel over AMD for quality, they have no idea - they simply equate a higher price with higher quality, which is wrong in my opinion. I expect that no matter what company you buy a CPU from, it will work as long as you don't overclock it. When it comes to the motherboards, power supplies, heatsinks, quality is extremely important. For example, based what I have seen, a motherboard that has an Intel chipset on it will last 10x longer than on with a via chipset on it. Same applies to AMD vs Via. I love nvidia chipets as well - but I have seem some nvidia based boards die after a single year of use - and I'm not talking about a single board, I'm talking a batch of 10 all die within 2 months of each other. These were using Antec True Power supplies, so faulty power was not a problem, and no overclocking was going on. Just a bad batch of boards - but I think that has more to do with the board manufacturer, not the chipset.
I agree - I love Mario games, and games that are fun. I HATE games that try to tell me a story. Why? I'm not the type of gamer who can devote hours at a time to playing and remembering a story. I like to sit down, blow stuff up or play a sports game that's fun, and then go do something else later. I enjoy games like Jak & Daxter that have a story line, but are mostly just fun.
And thank you for your lazy attitude - you're the reason spammers can control broadband connected zombie boxes to fill my inbox with massive amounts of shit.
Yeah, me too. I actually have the pro version of 9, and will purchase 9.1 when it comes out. I moved like 5 boxes to it. I'm just so disappointed by Red Hat - I know they say FC is the same thing, but with more open source support.... but I tried FC1, and the installer locked up on me 3x in the same place on a machine that has Suse 9 running on it flawlessly. I used to have Red Hat 6.2, 7.1, 7.3, and 9 all running on this machine before, so I know it's not bad hardware. When the installer crashes, they can't convince me that FC is as stable as RH releases.
If P. Diddy keeps ripping off every artist under the sun without changing the beats at all, AT&T won't know what to do!:) I can't imagine this service will work very well if you feed it one of this songs...
Yeah, heating and cooling costs are at the top of list - however they are considered "must haves". If you didn't have heat in the winter, you would die. If you can't cool your home sufficiently in the summer, you could also die, or at the very least, be extremely uncomfortable. My point is that you don't need a computer to play games on, especially one that sucks up extreme amounts of power that could be used for other things more important. Don't get me wrong - I love games and computers... I just wish the industry place more emphasis on creating efficent hardware.
Yeah, that's my point - having this card is equal to slapping a Pentium 4EE in your case to go along with the processor you already have. It just seems very extreme for gaming. I suppose as they shrink the die on these, it would be more worth it as they would consume less power and generate less heat.
Well, I'd like to refer you to this site where I got my information:
http://www.homepower.com/magazine/downloads_curr en t_issue.cfm
You will have to register, but in issue 100 it talks about this very thing, and what a family had to do to get their house solar efficient while still being able to use their home computer with a 120 watt power supply in it. And yes, I realize a power supply rating is what it is capable of, and not what it draws constantly. I'm not a moron as you imply.
What are you talking about? A desktop to a workstation? In a lot of cases, they are the same thing. Did you mean server to desktop? It's not dumb, it's actually quite relevant to my point: I have dual processor servers running 2 Athlon MP processors and Ultra 320 SCSI drives @ 10,000 RPM. That server has a smaller power supply in it than will be required for a desktop using this new Geforce card. My point is that it's absolutely crazy the amount of power these new cards require.
This thing requires a 480 watt power supply, minimum. That's too much. I am currently responsible for a large number of servers that don't have larger than 400 watt power supplies each.
It's not hard to see why the U.S. has to violently defend our oil interests when we have video cards wastefully burning through electricity like there's no tomorrow.
I'm all for advances in processor technology, just not when it comes with a high energy consumption price.
I once heard that by leaving a computer with a measely 150 watt power supply (minute by today's standards) on 24 hours a day like most people do, it consumes more energy than the common refrigerator.
I don't see how anybody with mod points could consider what you said flamebait. You're right - Iomega sucks, badly. I have had 4 or 5 of their products, each one failed horribly after less than a year. I lost lots of data as a result, hell, I even got a check in the mail from them as part of a class action lawsuit. If Iomega was smart, they would change their company name and hope people don't find out.
Glad to see you're too much of a pussy to post with your actual login Mr. AC. Those quotes represented the point, not atual quotes, and if you're too stupid to see that, I can't help you - nobody can.
The original poster was simply making a point... those are not intended to be taken as real quotes. I believe the point is that ofcourse a competitor will make a statement discrediting their rival, so it's not news worthy or a surprise.
Why have I been waiting? Because right now I have 2 IDE channels in my computer, and one SATA. I have channel one on the IDE controller used for my hard drive. I have a zip drive (ide) and 2 cdrom drives. The zip and cdrom drives operate at a max ata33. So, if I were to put a cdrom or zip on my primary controller with the hard drive... that slows the transfer rate for my drive from 133 to 33... right? If so, that's unacceptable. So, I currently don't use the zip drive. If they made ATA-133 or SATA-150 cdrom/dvd drives, I'd buy one in a second.
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Once again, how does this help? Whether I get the package from another website or my own, I still have to install seperate from the actual install. It's a pain either way, and very stupid to have removed it from the distro.
Yeah, do it for a ton of machines every damn time you have to do a fresh install. It gets old quick.
NO, but FC1 would be a better indicator of FC2 than RH9 would be. If FC1 sucked, people would be less likely to bother with 2.
It's not that Pine was the only reason I didn't install - it was a part of it, but not the only reason. Imagine ever server on your network requiring pine. Then imagine having to install FC1 on them, and then manually download and install it for every one because Pico was your main text editor and Pine was your required email interface. Then imagine the anaconda installer crashing on your during an upgrade, and then a complete resinstall would also not work on common hardware. Trust me, I did not WANT to move away from the only linux distro I had ever used in my life - I had to. I hate the yast part of Suse where it modifies my configs. But, atleast Suse installs correctly and has a ton of packages available to it.
I have found Fedora to suck ass. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I switched to Suse immediately after trying FC1 on 3 machines. It installed on a few, but I found a lot of missing packages I grew accustomed to on RH, one such one being pine. I know it's a licensing thing, but seriously, get over it people. Also, I had RH 9 on a box and I tried to upgrade it to FC1. It's a bad sign when the installer crashes consistently in the same section over and over again as I try to reinstall. Sure enough, this was a bug in FC1 that several people on news groups had also mentioned. So, FC1 was not even close to stable and usable for me. I'm happily using Suse 9 right now, even though I could do without the yast garbage always reconfiguring my apps on it's own.
And a 50 - 50 chance of not being able to sell current drive on ebay....
Oh wait, they'll probably do that either way.
Yeah, that's what home owners insurance is for :) Just make sure it's covered in your policy.
Ha ha, I didn't realize I used the actual term "solar system" :) Yeah, $30k is pretty damn cheap for one of those. Hell, I might even buy 2 for that price.
I suggest you visit:
www.homepower.com
Solar power is very real, and many people already use it. Is it expensive? Yeah, for example a solar system to generate enough power for the average home would cost anywhere from $20k to $30k. Some states have to reimburse you for half your cost though - so immediately, you're down to $10k or $15k. Then, imagine that costing you about what a car payment would be for 5 years. Now imagine having that car payment *instead* of a utility bill. Now even better, imagine being paid off in 5 years - and then the panels and setup usually last 30 years. So, that equals 25 years of FREE energy. Most of these homes are still plugged into the grid so that at night they can either use the grid or batteries, while pumping excess onto the grid during the day to the power company has to buy that from you to power other homes in your area. Solar is great, and with rising natural gas costs, it's going to spread like a wildfire from global warming...
Exactly. Caldera anyone?
That being said, I'll also add that as far as the actual cpu goes, I have never, ever seen a faulty cpu. I work in IT, and have installed hundreds of Athlons, K6s, Pentiums (I, II, III, IV, Pro, Zeon), Cyrix, etc. Never seen a faulty one. I have however seen bad fans on heatsinks fry cpus and I have seen crappy chipsets make systems unstable. Power supplies also play a major role in system stability and durability, probably the largest role actually. My point is, when people say they go with Intel over AMD for quality, they have no idea - they simply equate a higher price with higher quality, which is wrong in my opinion. I expect that no matter what company you buy a CPU from, it will work as long as you don't overclock it. When it comes to the motherboards, power supplies, heatsinks, quality is extremely important. For example, based what I have seen, a motherboard that has an Intel chipset on it will last 10x longer than on with a via chipset on it. Same applies to AMD vs Via. I love nvidia chipets as well - but I have seem some nvidia based boards die after a single year of use - and I'm not talking about a single board, I'm talking a batch of 10 all die within 2 months of each other. These were using Antec True Power supplies, so faulty power was not a problem, and no overclocking was going on. Just a bad batch of boards - but I think that has more to do with the board manufacturer, not the chipset.
Do you have an article somewhere to point to? You have got me very curious now - if you're serious and not joking that is.
I agree - I love Mario games, and games that are fun. I HATE games that try to tell me a story. Why? I'm not the type of gamer who can devote hours at a time to playing and remembering a story. I like to sit down, blow stuff up or play a sports game that's fun, and then go do something else later. I enjoy games like Jak & Daxter that have a story line, but are mostly just fun.
And thank you for your lazy attitude - you're the reason spammers can control broadband connected zombie boxes to fill my inbox with massive amounts of shit.
Yeah, me too. I actually have the pro version of 9, and will purchase 9.1 when it comes out. I moved like 5 boxes to it. I'm just so disappointed by Red Hat - I know they say FC is the same thing, but with more open source support.... but I tried FC1, and the installer locked up on me 3x in the same place on a machine that has Suse 9 running on it flawlessly. I used to have Red Hat 6.2, 7.1, 7.3, and 9 all running on this machine before, so I know it's not bad hardware. When the installer crashes, they can't convince me that FC is as stable as RH releases.
If P. Diddy keeps ripping off every artist under the sun without changing the beats at all, AT&T won't know what to do! :) I can't imagine this service will work very well if you feed it one of this songs...
Yeah, heating and cooling costs are at the top of list - however they are considered "must haves". If you didn't have heat in the winter, you would die. If you can't cool your home sufficiently in the summer, you could also die, or at the very least, be extremely uncomfortable. My point is that you don't need a computer to play games on, especially one that sucks up extreme amounts of power that could be used for other things more important. Don't get me wrong - I love games and computers... I just wish the industry place more emphasis on creating efficent hardware.
Yeah, that's my point - having this card is equal to slapping a Pentium 4EE in your case to go along with the processor you already have. It just seems very extreme for gaming. I suppose as they shrink the die on these, it would be more worth it as they would consume less power and generate less heat.
Well, I'd like to refer you to this site where I got my information:
r en t_issue.cfm
http://www.homepower.com/magazine/downloads_cur
You will have to register, but in issue 100 it talks about this very thing, and what a family had to do to get their house solar efficient while still being able to use their home computer with a 120 watt power supply in it. And yes, I realize a power supply rating is what it is capable of, and not what it draws constantly. I'm not a moron as you imply.
What are you talking about? A desktop to a workstation? In a lot of cases, they are the same thing. Did you mean server to desktop? It's not dumb, it's actually quite relevant to my point: I have dual processor servers running 2 Athlon MP processors and Ultra 320 SCSI drives @ 10,000 RPM. That server has a smaller power supply in it than will be required for a desktop using this new Geforce card. My point is that it's absolutely crazy the amount of power these new cards require.
This thing requires a 480 watt power supply, minimum. That's too much. I am currently responsible for a large number of servers that don't have larger than 400 watt power supplies each.
It's not hard to see why the U.S. has to violently defend our oil interests when we have video cards wastefully burning through electricity like there's no tomorrow.
I'm all for advances in processor technology, just not when it comes with a high energy consumption price.
I once heard that by leaving a computer with a measely 150 watt power supply (minute by today's standards) on 24 hours a day like most people do, it consumes more energy than the common refrigerator.
I don't see how anybody with mod points could consider what you said flamebait. You're right - Iomega sucks, badly. I have had 4 or 5 of their products, each one failed horribly after less than a year. I lost lots of data as a result, hell, I even got a check in the mail from them as part of a class action lawsuit. If Iomega was smart, they would change their company name and hope people don't find out.
Glad to see you're too much of a pussy to post with your actual login Mr. AC. Those quotes represented the point, not atual quotes, and if you're too stupid to see that, I can't help you - nobody can.
The original poster was simply making a point... those are not intended to be taken as real quotes. I believe the point is that ofcourse a competitor will make a statement discrediting their rival, so it's not news worthy or a surprise.
Why have I been waiting? Because right now I have 2 IDE channels in my computer, and one SATA. I have channel one on the IDE controller used for my hard drive. I have a zip drive (ide) and 2 cdrom drives. The zip and cdrom drives operate at a max ata33. So, if I were to put a cdrom or zip on my primary controller with the hard drive... that slows the transfer rate for my drive from 133 to 33... right? If so, that's unacceptable. So, I currently don't use the zip drive. If they made ATA-133 or SATA-150 cdrom/dvd drives, I'd buy one in a second.