What's everyone else's experiences with smartphones?
I have tried out a number of the low-medium end phones.
Right now I am using a Moto E, which is locked to Virgin Mobile.
It's a $40 at WalMart right now and 300h Voice and unmetered Data is $30 per month.
It's a nice little phone, IMHO. Previously I was using a Nokia 535 on Virgin Mobile. It's another $40 phone but it runs Windows 8 Phone.
Back when I wanted a mobile pocket computer but couldn't justify a monthly cell phone, I had an iPod Touch. It lasted a year (4th gen) before iOS updates obsoleted it. Also it had no storage upgrade option, and was tied to iTunes to sync. And it's home button got flaky toward the end. I've never had any other pocket mobile device have a problem with the main button.
No big sacrifice on her part. Her son is dead. The terrorists who killed him are dead. Even the two personal phones that the terrorists would have used to contact other co-conspirators are destroyed and unrecoverable.
This company-owned phone, likely used only for company business, is very likely completely evidence free.
the US is already way more intrusive than even the Stasi could have dreamed of...
In the Soviet era, in the Eastern block, typewriters and photocopiers were licensed and closely watched, and ordinary people were restricted from owning one.
Here in the 'intrusive' US you could go to Sears or JC Penneys and buy a typewriter any time you wished.
Furthermore, as I have posted in earlier topics, the terrorists destroyed their personal phones, but didn't feel the need to destroy this one. This was a work phone owned by the employer and probably only was used for work purposes. The whole thing is a fishing expedition that Apple is turning into a marketing event. The 'evidence' was on the phones that have already been destroyed.
Apple doesn't have a problem. They have a marketing opportunity, which they are noisily taking advantage of.
They have long needed a reason to give that they charge a large markup on their hardware compared to their competitors. And they have a history for decades of basing their high prices on hype. This is simply their new SCSI/RISC/Altivec elitist hypestorm.
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Agilent does. We all know that.
HP didn't need to be a top-tier defense supplier, They were a major instrument supplier to all the top-tier defense suppliers. Doubtless there was a lot more money in it for them being that way.
True to a degree, but there was often a keypunch available for quick modifications, etc. near the batch job terminal. Coders often punched at least some of their card decks themselves.
When I was a student learning FORTRAN access to the keypunch was prized and limited, just like a few years later access to an ASR-33 terminal in the terminal room was limited.
Also, every card deck submitted to a batch terminal to be run needed to have a password card on the top. The password wasn't on the top line of the 80 column coding form. Job cards, etc. need to be generated by somebody, and when I was coding under that system it was my job to make a password card.
Looking back at that story from 2011 just reminds me that Apple has been playing all of us on every level for the purposes of hype.
Most of us didn't care about the 'stolen' prototypes, because we weren't the people who were going to line up for several days at the Apple store to be some of the first to see the new iThingie.
Apple spurts out hype, at every level possible, for every marketing purpose that can be dreamed up.
This case, for instance is about the terrorist's work phone, in a case where we know they had their own personal phones which they destroyed before the FBI could recover them.
Maybe there's a reason they didn't bother to destroy this work phone, because it was only used for work purposes.
But Apple gets great benefit out of all the hype and hysteria surrounding the phone's existence.
The simpler answer is it's all hype marketing. Apple is the brier rabbit, and they're telling the government "no... don't grab hold of that tarbaby!" and cashing in on all the attention this is giving them.
Furthermore, the guy was most likely talking to whomever on his own phone. Both terrorists had their own personal phones which they destroyed before the FBI could recover them. This is dude's work phone, which probably has nothing at all on it except work related stuff.
They're going to go into a room where Apple employees have the tools to load the custom iOS version into the phone. The FBI will have brought the phone with them, and an Apple employee will connect it to the tools Apple has in the room to upload the custom iOS. Then the FBI will take the phone back with them to their labs to do their brute force thing. Apple isn't going to burn the custom iOS version onto a CD and send the CD to the FBI.
The data on the phone likely won't be used to charge any individual. Bear in mind that the person who possessed the phone is already dead. The data on the phone is valuable for further investigation, not for an open case.
I live a few hours drive from Chicago, and wouldn't drive into the South Side even if there was a skid of free Altair 8800 hardware to pick up for free.
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What's everyone else's experiences with smartphones?
I have tried out a number of the low-medium end phones.
Right now I am using a Moto E, which is locked to Virgin Mobile.
It's a $40 at WalMart right now and 300h Voice and unmetered Data is $30 per month.
It's a nice little phone, IMHO. Previously I was using a Nokia 535 on Virgin Mobile. It's another $40 phone but it runs Windows 8 Phone.
Back when I wanted a mobile pocket computer but couldn't justify a monthly cell phone, I had an iPod Touch. It lasted a year (4th gen) before iOS updates obsoleted it. Also it had no storage upgrade option, and was tied to iTunes to sync. And it's home button got flaky toward the end. I've never had any other pocket mobile device have a problem with the main button.
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Try Sylpheed.
I started using it when I was running a NetBSD desktop, but it has a decent Windows binary that is downloadable, too.
One of the things I like best about Sylpheed is the way it properly nests emails if you subscribe to a List server.
Also, the way messages are stored as individual files in a directory hierarchy, but can also easily be archived into mbox files.
Apple is defending it from a marketing angle. They want to continue to sell privacy as a bullet point when touting their gadgets for sale.
No big sacrifice on her part. Her son is dead. The terrorists who killed him are dead. Even the two personal phones that the terrorists would have used to contact other co-conspirators are destroyed and unrecoverable.
This company-owned phone, likely used only for company business, is very likely completely evidence free.
What principles is Carole Adams standing behind??
the US is already way more intrusive than even the Stasi could have dreamed of...
In the Soviet era, in the Eastern block, typewriters and photocopiers were licensed and closely watched, and ordinary people were restricted from owning one.
Here in the 'intrusive' US you could go to Sears or JC Penneys and buy a typewriter any time you wished.
Furthermore, as I have posted in earlier topics, the terrorists destroyed their personal phones, but didn't feel the need to destroy this one. This was a work phone owned by the employer and probably only was used for work purposes. The whole thing is a fishing expedition that Apple is turning into a marketing event. The 'evidence' was on the phones that have already been destroyed.
Apple doesn't have a problem. They have a marketing opportunity, which they are noisily taking advantage of.
They have long needed a reason to give that they charge a large markup on their hardware compared to their competitors. And they have a history for decades of basing their high prices on hype. This is simply their new SCSI/RISC/Altivec elitist hypestorm.
Agilent does. We all know that.
HP didn't need to be a top-tier defense supplier, They were a major instrument supplier to all the top-tier defense suppliers. Doubtless there was a lot more money in it for them being that way.
True to a degree, but there was often a keypunch available for quick modifications, etc. near the batch job terminal. Coders often punched at least some of their card decks themselves.
When I was a student learning FORTRAN access to the keypunch was prized and limited, just like a few years later access to an ASR-33 terminal in the terminal room was limited.
Also, every card deck submitted to a batch terminal to be run needed to have a password card on the top. The password wasn't on the top line of the 80 column coding form. Job cards, etc. need to be generated by somebody, and when I was coding under that system it was my job to make a password card.
Looking back at that story from 2011 just reminds me that Apple has been playing all of us on every level for the purposes of hype.
Most of us didn't care about the 'stolen' prototypes, because we weren't the people who were going to line up for several days at the Apple store to be some of the first to see the new iThingie.
Apple spurts out hype, at every level possible, for every marketing purpose that can be dreamed up.
This case, for instance is about the terrorist's work phone, in a case where we know they had their own personal phones which they destroyed before the FBI could recover them.
Maybe there's a reason they didn't bother to destroy this work phone, because it was only used for work purposes.
But Apple gets great benefit out of all the hype and hysteria surrounding the phone's existence.
The simpler answer is it's all hype marketing. Apple is the brier rabbit, and they're telling the government "no... don't grab hold of that tarbaby!" and cashing in on all the attention this is giving them.
The keys to my car, house, safe, etc. are all trivially obtained by an organization as big and powerful as the government.
Your SSN? You're saying it's a secret number that the government doesn't know? heh.
Woot, woot. The whole thing is hype marketing by Apple. Which some of us have figured out.
They already know who the guy was talking to.
Furthermore, the guy was most likely talking to whomever on his own phone. Both terrorists had their own personal phones which they destroyed before the FBI could recover them. This is dude's work phone, which probably has nothing at all on it except work related stuff.
They're going to go into a room where Apple employees have the tools to load the custom iOS version into the phone. The FBI will have brought the phone with them, and an Apple employee will connect it to the tools Apple has in the room to upload the custom iOS. Then the FBI will take the phone back with them to their labs to do their brute force thing. Apple isn't going to burn the custom iOS version onto a CD and send the CD to the FBI.
Apple has a public relations duty to milk as much attention and publicity out of this case as they can.
They're doing real good so far.
This was the terrorist's employer-supplied phone. They also had their own personal phones which they destroyed before anybody could access them.
It's entirely possible that there is nothing at all that is usable as evidence for anything related to their terrorist acts on the phone.
It's quite likely that they were smart enough to know this and not use this phone for anything not work related.
Which renders this whole big deal a pretty stupid exercise.
The subtitle on Slashdot no longer reads 'news for nerds' but we're still mostly nerds. Not iDevice ponces.
The data on the phone likely won't be used to charge any individual. Bear in mind that the person who possessed the phone is already dead. The data on the phone is valuable for further investigation, not for an open case.
56 years of the Apple Shareholders saying: "Oh, yes. Pay today's fine again, just as you paid yesterday's. By all means."
I live a few hours drive from Chicago, and wouldn't drive into the South Side even if there was a skid of free Altair 8800 hardware to pick up for free.
The scary thing is how many people here will be confused over the meaning of having seen the sequels on late night TV.
The Rolling Stones ceased to exist after they murdered Brian Jones.
Rather, you are admitting that you generation's version of Star Wars is Frozen.