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Windows 10 Forced Update Resets Default Apps To Microsoft Products (theinquirer.net)

Freshly Exhumed writes: Microsoft has told The Inquirer that it is aware of a bug which has been causing users' default programs to switch to the bundled Microsoft options. After deleting the update, a user discovered the next day that Windows had reinstalled it and reset the default settings again. InfoWorld gives some real world scenarios: "If you have Chrome as the default browser on your Windows 10 computer, you'd better check to make sure Microsoft didn't hijack it last week and set Edge as your new default. The same goes for any PDF viewer: A forced cumulative update also reset PDF viewing to Edge on many PCs. Do you use IrfanView, ACDSee, Photoshop Express, or Photoshop Elements? The default photo app may have been reset to -- you guessed it -- the Windows Photos app. Music? Video? Microsoft may have swooped down and changed you over to Microsoft Party apps, all in the course of last week's forced cumulative update KB3135173."

387 comments

  1. Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that accidentally is another English word that is reversing its meaning.

    1. Re:Accidentally by sunderland56 · · Score: 2

      The other word losing it's meaning is "bug".

      How does it appear on your annual review when you *intentionally* created a bug at the request of the marketing department? Is that good or bad?

    2. Re:Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft seems to have had lots of "accidents" with regards to Windows 10, spyware and forced updates on older versions of Windows.

      I only have to laugh at anyone stupid enough to have fallen for the Windows 10 scam. I hope they enjoy having their computer decide what they do and soon likely having to pay a subscription for the privilege.

    3. Re:Accidentally by flatulus · · Score: 1

      It seems that accidentally is another English word that is reversing its meaning.

      Well we all understand how Ehsan Abdulaziz could "accidentally" lose his balance ending up with physical evidence suggesting he raped an 18 year old. One just can't control where that pesky little poker will wind up when you're in freefall...

      So how hard is it to believe MSFT accidentally overlooked resetting a user's defaults.

    4. Re:Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't believe him because his story isn't plausible, yet you automatically believe the girl that left a nightclub with a millionaire, crashed at his place, and then cried rape in the morning? Took the jury 30 minutes to decide his story was better than hers.

    5. Re:Accidentally by flatulus · · Score: 1

      You don't believe him because his story isn't plausible, yet you automatically believe the girl that left a nightclub with a millionaire, crashed at his place, and then cried rape in the morning? Took the jury 30 minutes to decide his story was better than hers.

      No dispute with you on that. I never said I believed the girl (was raped).

      I suspect the jury had an easy go of it because the girl was 18. I don't know (but will presume) that 18 meets "age of consent" in that jurisdiction, hence no statutory rape possible. If she had been a bit younger, it could have had a completely different outcome.

    6. Re:Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I get access to the Windows Store (tm) so NYAH

    7. Re:Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, I haven't been experiencing any of the Windows 10 nag/force upgrade problems on my Linux machine.

      Just sayin'.

    8. Re: Accidentally by bhpaddock · · Score: 1

      It most definitely does not work that way.

    9. Re: Accidentally by wendyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft has never said they won't change to subscription. All they have said is that it is free for the life of the device. But they get to decide what the life of your device is, not you.

      And to say it doesn't contain spyware is laughable.

    10. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be having trouble with <quote> tags. Here, let me help you with those.

      Windows 10 will never cost you a subscription. It does not contain spyware.

      Repeating these lies will not make them true.

    11. Re:Accidentally by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      It seems that accidentally is another English word that is reversing its meaning.

      Kids these days are literally slaughtering the English language.

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    12. Re:Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have 2 pounds of English language prime steak, please.

    13. Re:Accidentally by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This isn't new. The forced updates part is new. But, if you updated Office, it used to reset Outlook as the default email and nntp client - every... friggin... time...

      Yes, yes I have bitched about that behavior in the past. I don't know if they ever stopped it. I do know that it sucked.

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    14. Re: Accidentally by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah? Well... Microsoft never said they weren't implanting children with microchips and controlling them with alien technology! So, there! /s*

      * /s, or sarcasm tag, included because I'm pretty sure it might confuse some people if I don't mention it.

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    15. Re: Accidentally by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      When windows anal probe 10 went from just spying to making changes to user based choice, it went from just being spyware to being a full on trojan, basically hackware built into your OS. Windows anal Probe 10 is just going from extraordinarily bad to seriously who the fuck is silly enough to install that POS unless your job demands it.

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    16. Re:Accidentally by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Ha! I just ran apt-get update manually and it offered me an update to the "update notifier." I'll probably be getting those Windows 10 nag screens any minute now!

      (No, it really did just push that update down the pipes.)

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    17. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they will force you to upgrade. Which is probably fine when your hardware is all shiny and new, not so good when it's old and not up to spec for the latest and greatest. In the latter case a forced upgrade is basically a way of *forcing* your average user to pay the windows tax at least once every decade or so.

      It's also a tacit admission that they are running out of ideas sufficiently exciting to persuade people to upgrade on their own - for example compare the major, genuinely worth paying for step from win3.1 to win95, with the slightly annoying hiccup/transition from win pretty-much-anything-from-xp-on to win hey-guys-jiggled-the-interface-again-look-shinynew.

    18. Re:Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is metaphorically the worst use of the word literal I have seen in metaphorically forever.

      Like, metaphorically!

    19. Re: Accidentally by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      If the user has no control over the data being sent, can't stop it, and can't even see what is being sent WTF do you expect us to call it, cotton candy?

      Sorry Charlie but there is only one other kind of software that displays the same behavior, and that is malware.

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    20. Re: Accidentally by bhpaddock · · Score: 1, Informative

      Sigh... You're pointing to a throughly debunked and retracted claim. Having your router deny all connections causes the networking stack to retry them, hence the overblown connection numbers. The IP addresses listed at things like the NetBIOS and DNS broadcast IPs (used by machines on a local network to identify each other).

      http://www.zdnet.com/article/w...

      Everything you're saying is just rubbish.

    21. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have no idea what the word "spyware" means. By no accepted definition does anything in Windows 10 contain even a trace of it. Indeed, Microsoft is incredibly conservative (probably too much so) in personal information it collects and uses. Compare this to say, Android or Chrome OS, and it's laughable to suggest that Windows is "spying" on you.

      "An app caused a problem with the default setting for .avi files, so it was reset to Movies & TV"

      The user decided that she preferred VLC to Microsoft's associated-by-default app. This was a "problem," and Microsoft "fixed" it.

      Very well, I concede your point. It's not spyware. It's malware.

    22. Re: Accidentally by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Apple has never said that they won't charge a subscription for iOS. That doesn't make it any less absurd to say they will.

      Yep, those of us with 1st/2nd generation ipod touches know just how absurd it is to think that Apple might charge for iOS updates.

    23. Re:Accidentally by jrumney · · Score: 1

      If the media discovered it, it is bad for your review. If the media didn't discover it, it is good for the marketing guy who suggested it's review.

    24. Re: Accidentally by bhpaddock · · Score: 1

      We aren't talking about new versions. He was saying that they were going to later charge people to use the version of Windows 10 they upgrade to today. It's like the chain posts about Facebook charging people if they don't repost something on their wall. It's an absurd claim which anyone with any sense of reality knows is false.

    25. Re: Accidentally by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Considering how easy it appears to have been to avoid upgrading to MSWind10, it would not surprise me to find strong coercion to move to MSWind11...which just happened to implement a subscription model.

      The effect would be the same as charging a subscription to MSWind10, but since the name had changed, no promises would have been broken.

      That said, MS has just lied frequently enough that it wouldn't surprise me if they did it again. But they don't need to. Just do a "security update" that essentially bricks all systems using MSWind10 for any function except upgrading. They could even do it with a time delay and a nag screen with a variable frequency (by date). They'd need to ensure that the upgraded system couldn't work except when attached to the internet, though.

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    26. Re: Accidentally by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      We aren't talking about new versions. He was saying that they were going to later charge people to use the version of Windows 10 they upgrade to today

      I don't think that's what he was saying. In fact, he explicitly said "All they have said is that it is free for the life of the device". So he was clearly saying it would be free forever on that device. Thus I thought his point was either, 1) they'll charge you when you upgrade to the next version (which as we can see from current situation, they like forcing down it your throat), or 2) they'll charge you for the same windows 10 once you need to buy a new device (which, if you want to put your tin foil hat on, they can control by forcing patches on you that decrease performance for your old hardware).

    27. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, we just get nagging to install Linux here on Slashdot.

    28. Re: Accidentally by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Informative
      LOL you use fucking ZDnet, a company whose ads are damned near ALL MSFT ads, as a "citation"? Why not just go all the way and cite a Tumblr blog?

      If you want more LEGITIMATE sources how about Ars Technica, or how about MSFT themselves for a source? And please note that 19 pages of shit running in the background that CANNOT be turned off by anybody that isn't running Enterprise, aka "Not you you filthy peasant pissant". Also note that MSFT themselves have stated that will NOT turn off all phoning home, so even Enterprise can't completely STFU that OS!

      It takes about 15 minutes to make Win 7 as quiet as a church mouse, with no phoning anybody, about 30 for 8.1, Windows 10? So far nobody has been able to stop it, not using MSFT's own tools, not using third party, NOBODY. Hmmm...let me think...is there any other software that the user 1.- Has no control over, 2.- Makes connections the user cannot stop, and 3.- Resists both first and third party tools to try to deal with it? Why yes there is...its called malware.

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    29. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *shrug* I've built and flown space ships with Ubuntu, both in Real Life and in Kerbal. To be fair though, Kerbal does run better in Windows!

    30. Re:Accidentally by fropenn · · Score: 1

      That is one totally epic post.

    31. Re:Accidentally by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And it seems they could care less!

    32. Re:Accidentally by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I get all the work done that I need to and I am not a gamer. Windows has no compelling reasons for me to use it - and I've spent plenty of time with it and was actually an award winner (MVP Shell, IE/OE, and Security) for a half dozen years before I got tired of it because I was not learning anything new and that didn't feel right.

      I leak no unintended data to Canonical or to anyone else. I have the ability to view separate hardware logs that my internet traffic runs through. I have control of my system(s) and a high level of confidence in them. I've taken the time to learn to read the logs, to understand networking, and to learn to practice safe hex. When a setting on the machine does not do what it claims to do then safe hex is damned near futile.

      Furthermore, security is a process and not an application. Being thwarted by being unable to practice safe hex takes you out of the running as the greatest benefit (or weakness) for security. Off means off. That should not even be a question. I don't even *care* if it's on - I care that they're dishonest about it. I'll *give* them the data if they ask. I wouldn't even block it at the firewall.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    33. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's called iOS.

    34. Re:Accidentally by davester666 · · Score: 2

      It's not like their motto ever was "Don't be evil."

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    35. Re: Accidentally by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      LOL you use fucking ZDnet, a company whose ads are damned near ALL MSFT ads, as a "citation"?

      It's not even just ZDnet, it's Ed Bott, who as far as I can tell is employed by Microsoft's PR department to write for ZDnet. Sheesh. If Microsoft released a Win10 update that reformatted everyone's hard drive, Bott would write an article the next day saying that people are just imagining it, and the fact that he's sending this from an Android phone because his PC has mysteriously died is pure coincidence.

    36. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have no idea what the word "spyware" means.

      Any software that sends information about you and/or your computer usage to another person/company without your permission.

      Notable examples: The "Telemetry" feature in Windows 10.

    37. Re:Accidentally by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a feature...

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    38. Re:Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      It's not like their motto ever was "Don't be evil."

      It's Google's (I've noticed what you did here, and I agree with ^^)

    39. Re: Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      http://www.zdnet.com/article/when-it-comes-to-windows-10-privacy-dont-trust-amateur-analysts/

      it's an #AD, not an journalistic article...

    40. Re: Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Very well, I concede your point. It's not spyware. It's FUCKING RIDICULOUSLY AND BAD MADE malware .

      FTFY.

    41. Re: Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Considering how easy it appears to have been to avoid upgrading to MSWind10

      In universities and public enterprises here (in Brasil), there's very much upgrades to Windows 10 (the "anal probe"!)... * I've got the sarcasm from the parent :P

    42. Re:Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I suspect the jury had an easy go of it because the girl was 18. I don't know (but will presume) that 18 meets "age of consent" in that jurisdiction, hence no statutory rape possible. If she had been a bit younger, it could have had a completely different outcome.

      So very true! Opportunism is an art!

    43. Re:Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Hey, congratulations on your system that's completely useless for gaming or real work, and probably leaking information to Canonical (you are running Ubuntu, I'm guessing).

      Steam runs on Linux, did you knew that? And Steam OS is Debian based... * Do The Evolution or stay with the past of gaming...

    44. Re:Accidentally by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      (you are running Ubuntu, I'm guessing)

      Ubuntu is "linux", like Android... "real" linux users don't stick with it: Ubuntu was just good to bring new users to linux. * besides, spyware shipped with Ubuntu doesn't eve compare to Windows "anal probe" 10, which is a lot more huge and affect much more users...

    45. Re: Accidentally by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If the user has no control over the data being sent, can't stop it, and can't even see what is being sent WTF do you expect us to call it, cotton candy?

      Sorry Charlie but there is only one other kind of software that displays the same behavior, and that is malware.

      You know what the mal in malware means, right?

      Spyware maybe, malware, no.

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    46. Re: Accidentally by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So, the information is inconvenient, and you decide to instead attack the source? Did you have no response to the part about all the traffic being normal network stack traffic? When I have looked into the claims of spyware, I found that the traffic being pointed to is the IPv6 Teredo stuff, which can be turned off. But you can feel free to ignore all those sources you think are biased, but it will be difficult to find any sources you wouldn't find biased...

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    47. Re:Accidentally by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I would be surprised if there was any jurisdiction where 18 wasn't above the age of consent, after all at 18 you can vote, and if that isn't a more important decision, I would be surprised as well.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    48. Re: Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Apple has never said that they won't charge a subscription for iOS. That doesn't make it any less absurd to say they will.

      But Apple HAS said, many, many times, that their revenue comes from HARDWARE sales, and that they see their Software as a tool to entice users to migrate to, and/or stay on, their platform, thus continuing to buy their Hardware.

      You will note that the difference that proves that Apple is not lying is that, not only has OS X been free (as in beer) for the past 3 major revisions (and iOS has been free for longer than that, ever since they figured out how to get around some imagined SOX restriction), and yet does NOT constantly spy on you, ala "Free" Windows 10.

      BIG difference!

    49. Re: Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      If the user has no control over the data being sent, can't stop it, and can't even see what is being sent WTF do you expect us to call it, cotton candy?

      Sorry Charlie but there is only one other kind of software that displays the same behavior, and that is malware.

      Oh, and you forgot to mention that MS vehemently denies that it is even happening, even when people keep seeing it happen in their firewall logs.

      I have a Windows 7 laptop at work running "Professional" (and operating under a Domain Controller), but, even though MS said it wouldn't mess with Domain-connected W7 machines by force-feeding W10, I note that, ever since W10 has come out (and before I got smart enough to disable ALL "Updates"), that my laptop now takes nearly FIVE MINUTES to SHUT DOWN, with the HD being accessed continuously.

      Before that, a shutdown would only take about 30 seconds. I have no doubt that my machine is now engaging in "Telemetry" at that time. I don't have access to my work's router to see if I'm right; but I suspect as much.

      Hairy, do you, or anyone else, have any idea how I can tell if this is true, and even better, how to stop it (and still have my W7 installation)?

    50. Re: Accidentally by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Legitimate question: What games do you (currently) play that you can't play in Win7? I was not aware of any games using DX12 (but I tend to stay slightly behind the curve for things not Fallout).

      I recognize I may have to use 10 eventually (hoping they come to their senses with 11, but not holding my breath), but I'm not there yet.

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    51. Re: Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's called iOS.

      You're so full of shit, it's coming out of your ears.

    52. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    53. Re: Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Apple has never said that they won't charge a subscription for iOS. That doesn't make it any less absurd to say they will.

      Yep, those of us with 1st/2nd generation ipod touches know just how absurd it is to think that Apple might charge for iOS updates.

      Apple was being overly-cautious with the advent of SOX accounting-rule changes. Once they figured out that that was a non-issue, they stopped charging for iOS updates.

      So, nice strawman you got there.

    54. Re: Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Considering how easy it appears to have been to avoid upgrading to MSWind10, it would not surprise me to find strong coercion to move to MSWind11...which just happened to implement a subscription model.

      The effect would be the same as charging a subscription to MSWind10, but since the name had changed, no promises would have been broken.

      EXACTLY THIS. This is exactly what I figure MS will do.

    55. Re:Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      So, I haven't been experiencing any of the Windows 10 nag/force upgrade problems on my Linux machine.

      Just sayin'.

      Nor I on my OS X or iOS machines.

      Jus' sayin'...

    56. Re:Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Ha! I just ran apt-get update manually and it offered me an update to the "update notifier." I'll probably be getting those Windows 10 nag screens any minute now!

      (No, it really did just push that update down the pipes.)

      It's almost like you need to set up a Domain Controller, JUST so you won't get W10 forced down your cyber-throat. Can anyone comment on how practical that is for a home user (assuming they can get copies of W7/W8 Professional)?

    57. Re: Accidentally by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      Your slow shutdown issue is likely unrelated to telemetry.

      The computer is always "engaging in 'Telemetry'" since it is always recording data if the feature is enabled.

      Windows 7 transmits telemetry data on a weekly basis. If you are seeing a slow shutdown every day, you have a different problem.

      The best summary of how to address telemetry collection on Windows 7/8/10 I've seen is the top reply to this superuser thread:

      http://superuser.com/questions...

      The only exception is that I would leave the Application Experience service and scheduled tasks as-is. It provides transparent compatibility for applications that might not work right otherwise. If you are really set on removal, I would disable the service and run all of my applications first to ensure there is no adverse affect.

      Actually, I would disable all services rather than delete them---just in case. A disabled service cannot run, and it takes only second to revert to automatic startup if it's ever needed.

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    58. Re: Accidentally by z0 · · Score: 1

      None of my Steam games work, and I don't find it reasonable to reinstall the OS to fix nVidia driver problems. Is that a satisfactory answer for "gaming is broken"?

    59. Re:Accidentally by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have done so. I've had the whole setup with Exchange and AD and everything - complete with WSUS. I was a MS MVP for years and years before I finally stopped participating. I kept that going for quite a while - it wasn't hard once it was configured. I had the hefty duty MSDN subscription and just kept that after getting done with the MVP program. So, I played a whole bunch.

      Could a home user do so? Yes, at great expense. They could do much of it with just getting the Enterprise Edition - if it's available. It's not realistic for a home user to do so. It can be done across the internet - I'd not be surprised to see a company pop up to provide such services as a hosted solution for home users. I am unable to speculate on how successful that might be or how well they might run their business but there's room for a lot of possibilities - including reasonable security.

      So, it's entirely unrealistic to expect a home user (even a fairly adept home user) to maintain such a configuration. They can do quite a bit at the router level if they wanted but I'd not even recommend that. I don't mind, for instance, telemetry data. What I do mind is that it's labeled as 'off' when it is still on. Or, so I am told. I have not verified this. If it's not off then phrase it honestly, "Fuck you, it's not off. You can't disable it unless you buy the expensive version." I'd actually be okay with that.

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    60. Re: Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 transmits telemetry data on a weekly basis. If you are seeing a slow shutdown every day, you have a different problem.

      Thanks! Your post is DoublePlus Good!

    61. Re:Accidentally by macs4all · · Score: 1

      "Fuck you, it's not off. You can't disable it unless you buy the expensive version." I'd actually be okay with that.

      But I wouldn't.

      I agree that setting up a Domain isn't just a click-through experience, and is DEFINITELY beyond most users' skillset!

      But I kinda like the idea of a "co-located" Domain Service; but setting up the security for such a thing would be a nightmare, methinks. Although with Hyper-V (which originally came from the Mac-Only Developer, Connectix), it might be somewhat reasonable.

      The problem is, MS got kind of brow-beaten into making W10 "Free" because they were left being the ONLY game in town that still charged for OS Updates. Linux (never mind Red Hat) and OS X were both Free; but here was Windows still charging a relatively princely sum (in some cases, a REALLY princely sum!) for OS Updates.

      But, rather than just admitting "Hey, we're a software company (primarily). We believe that Windows represents a good value at its price of $xx.xx. So, have fun trying to run your business on OS X or Linux if you want. We'll be waiting when you come back...", they said "Hey, we're making Windows 10 FREE!!!", then pulled this Spyware bullshit. THAT's what is making everyone angry/distrusting (and rightly so!)

    62. Re: Accidentally by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Wow, assuming you didn't misunderstand my reply to Gojira Shipi-Taro*, I am really sorry for your experience. I've been gaming in Win7 for years using multiple nVidia cards & never had any trouble (other than my GTX 680 not really being up to playing Fallout 4 in 4k - not the card's fault) ... GTX 260 > 680 > 780ti. My Steam library is 292 titles (I happened to look it up this morning), though I have only played about 1/2 or so in Win7 (many are old, many others were part of a bundle). Do you mind if I ask what card you're using?

      *(S)He was saying he had to use Win10, I was asking why 10 vs 7 as the only difference I am aware of is DX12 & I didn't consider DX11 to be "the dark ages."

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    63. Re: Accidentally by mattventura · · Score: 1

      or 2) they'll charge you for the same windows 10 once you need to buy a new device (which, if you want to put your tin foil hat on, they can control by forcing patches on you that decrease performance for your old hardware).

      This makes me wonder: what is the identifying factor for a "device"? Surely someone could find a way to clone identifying bits onto a new device so you can use the same windows license.

    64. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, he explicitly said "All they have said is that it is free for the life of the device".

      Wrong, what was said is "Once upgraded to Windows 10, we will keep it up to date for the supported life of the device". "Supported life", not for the entire life of the device and certainly not free forever.

      The supported life is anything that Microsoft says. They are waiting to trap more people into Windows 10, then they'll drop the subscription and/or massive desktop advertising bomb. That is why they aren't allowing people to revert their upgrades after 30 days. That is why Windows 10 has forced updates. That is why Windows 10 reverts user changes. That is why Windows 10 has a built in adware framework. That is why Windows 10 has a keylogger amongst other spyware and a specific clause in their EULA stating that they are allowed to access every last file on your computer. including those in "private" folders. They want full control so that when that bomb is dropped, they'll have you by the balls and you won't be able to do a damned thing about it because you allowed yourself to get locked-in.

      Use a previous version of Windows, taking care to vet all updates to make sure none of the backported spyware or Windows 10 nags get in. Use a Mac. Use Linux. Use BSD. Hell, use DOS. Anything but the malware that is Windows 10.

    65. Re:Accidentally by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      You cannot vote at 18 in all jurisdictions.

      Voting is not a very important decision in itself either - many others typically need to confirm the voter's decision for the vote to have any effect.

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    66. Re: Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By no accepted definition does anything in Windows 10 contain even a trace of it. Indeed, Microsoft is incredibly conservative (probably too much so) in personal information it collects and uses.

      I don't know if you read the code, but I read the end user agreement. It effectively says microsoft will take your private files and share them at their discretion. How is that not spyware?

    67. Re: Accidentally by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Dude its Ed fucking Bott, a known MSFT shill that has done nothing but Gobble MSFT cock since the days of Windows ME. Want to find a glowing review of WinME, or Vista, or Windows 8 singing the praises of Metro? Go to Ed, he'll give MSFT the BJ anytime they ask. Even Mary Jo Foley doesn't blow MSFT that hard and she's an employee! This is a guy that MSFT "gifts" $2000 laptops and get in return "articles" like why I love MSFT and you expect anybody to take that shit seriously? Why don't you join a discussion about equal rights and provide a link to an SJW' landwhales blog screaming about "muh privilege", get da fuq out of here LOL!

      And I notice you conveniently ignored the link from MSFT showing 19 pages of shit running you cannot turn off because you are a filthy peasant pissant and don't have enterprise, care to comment? Of course you won't, because you are guzzling that koolaid like there is no tomorrow. At least the Lunix guys had the excuse that they were pushing a free product, you are pushing a product that costs $100 minimum (the cost of the Windows 7/8.1 key you give up when you take the spyware) and what do you get in return? 19 pages of spying you cannot turn off which I have to say is about as "good a deal" as paying somebody for a big fresh bag of their dog's shit!

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    68. Re: Accidentally by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      The dog shit is at least usable for fertilizer.

    69. Re: Accidentally by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      You are right, but your idea of their method is wrong. They don't have to coerce you into upgrading to the new unversioned, rolling release Windows. It will be part of a silent update, which you cannot refuse, that gives you 30 days of the new Windows for free. Then you will get a pop-up every few hours to buy your new subscription for Windows. When that 30 days is over your system will be unusable except to buy your new subscription. But don't forget about the free trial of Office 360. When the free trial expires it will be charged automatically just like your free trial of HBO and Showtime on your cable plan.

  2. Ooops, I did it again by qbast · · Score: 5, Funny

    So sorry, it won't happen again until next update.

    1. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Luthair · · Score: 5, Informative

      Basically, its happened to me too. They also re-install their shitty metro apps you may have removed.

    2. Re:Ooops, I did it again by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Informative

      It didn't happen to me. Just checked. All up to date, and nothing MS is my default anything (except some media files I don't use I think would go to WMP, if I had any of them).

    3. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Zappy · · Score: 1

      This already happened several times. At least the pdf viewer reset to edge happened at least half a dozen times since windows 10 release. It has surprised me greatly Adobe is not being more vocal about this.

    4. Re:Ooops, I did it again by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Bug, my ass. This was deliberate, and they were hoping nobody would call them on it.

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    5. Re:Ooops, I did it again by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Their Reader app for pdf files is horrible - you open a second file, and instead of opening another instance of Reader w/ that file, it closes the first and opens the second. I lost a pdf file I was editing that way

    6. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically, its happened to me too. They also re-install their shitty metro apps you may have removed.

      Do the right thing. Sounds like you could in theory give slightly less of a flying fuck about windows 10 if something like Linux Mint was running your bucket of bolts. I am as excited about games as the next guy and THAT is the only reason enough for me to give a flying fuck about windows 7. Sure, you have to run a bunch of hacks to prevent OS from castrating itself and the user. But in the end, it is worth it if you wana run latest shit, which by the way requires SOME of the power of my 6 year old system and a recent update to GTX 670. Fuck Microsoft, Fuck windows 10 and fuck DX 12. Shit I had too much WINE....

    7. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just turn off Windows Update. It's the only way to be sure.

    8. Re:Ooops, I did it again by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Confirmed, my PC didn't change any of its defaults.

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    9. Re:Ooops, I did it again by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's hardly the first time an update has reset things to default. It's just that now, instead of being a screw up that affects a percentage of users, because it's Windows 10 it's an evil plot to force you to use Microsoft apps for the five seconds it takes you to raise what happened.

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    10. Re:Ooops, I did it again by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Funny

      In my case the update didn't just change my default browser to Edge, but it replaced services.exe with systemd.

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    11. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shirley you mean nuke it from orbit!

    12. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I run Fedora on my laptop, unfortunately it doesn't do very well with high dpi screens. Gaming performance & variety under linux leave a lot to be desired.

    13. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You VILL use zeez Microsoft softwares. Other vendors? NEIN, NEIN, NEIN!!

    14. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

      By the twelfth or thirteenth time, it's reasonable to start blaming the victim.

    15. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for showing a callous disregard for the user instead of realizing that offering a setting and repeatedly resetting it without warning is a bug that should be fixed.

    16. Re: Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn off Windows Update on Windows 10? Clearly you haven't been paying attention. Windows 10 effectively removed that option.

    17. Re: Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pdf viewer reset 'half a dozen times', really? I have an up to date Win10 PC that haven't reset defaults on me once. Biggest gripe with Win10 is the lack of MCE (yeah I know you can run Kodi + plugins or similar, but MCE was actually really good.)

    18. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone actually use metro apps? I figured most people treated "the tile screen" the same way I do: the only time it appears is when I accidentally click on the start menu rather than the third-party replacement I have, at which point I just press escape and move on with my day.

    19. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)

      This is called a "fixed-point value." Perfectly legitimate technique, commonly used in games. Nothing ironic, incorrect, or sig-worthy about it, although I'd have written it as 0x10000 to emphasize the place value of the '1'.

    20. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Torodung · · Score: 1

      Until it does it again and again and again. Which it does on some systems.

    21. Re:Ooops, I did it again by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's the question. Some people are reporting this, others are saying it didn't happen to them. And it's impossible to know what the difference between them is.

      That said, I just consider it another reason to avoid MS, which I was already doing over EULA issues, so the details don't matter to me.

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    22. Re: Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If systemd ran on windows 10 would the evil of each cancel each other out?

    23. Re: Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learnt well from facebook they have

      Yeeees

    24. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. My computer should do what I tell it to do and it should remember what I tell it to do. I should *never* have to tolerate it second guessing me or changing things without my explicit orders to do so.

      And my computer does do those things, because I don't run garbage like Windows 10. You're only defending Windows 10 because you're stuck with it and you don't want to admit that you are using a piece of shit OS and that you are a complete and utter moron.

    25. Re:Ooops, I did it again by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Didn't happen to mine either, update installed 2/12...

      Another story of a few outliers.

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    26. Re: Ooops, I did it again by Jazoray · · Score: 0

      run services.msc, look for the service called "windows update" and set it to "disabled"

    27. Re: Ooops, I did it again by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      If systemd ran on windows 10 would the evil of each cancel each other out?

      No, they'd just end up turning into this. "systemWin10d has increased in diameter by 200%. It's moving towards the ship" - "What do we have that's bigger than 240?" - "Uhh, Beastie?"

    28. Re:Ooops, I did it again by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Confirmed, my PC didn't change any of its defaults.

      I think slashdotters are not average users (of Windows, in this case). Maybe I was wrong in that :P

    29. Re:Ooops, I did it again by brxndxn · · Score: 1

      5 seconds * 110,000,000 Windows 10 users * $7.25 minimum wage (in US, but maybe a conservative worldwide average) $1.11million in damages at minimum if every user is as fast as your insane '5 seconds' claim These 'mistakes' that Microsoft keeps doing over and over may only be small inconveniences - but they are unauthorized inconveniences for millions of people. Microsoft should be penalized heavily for them until they are forced to adopt a more customer-centric policy as in 'Don't fuck up my computer without my permission.'

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    30. Re:Ooops, I did it again by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)

      This is called a "fixed-point value." Perfectly legitimate technique, commonly used in games. Nothing ironic, incorrect, or sig-worthy about it, although I'd have written it as 0x10000 to emphasize the place value of the '1'.

      +1 Informative

    31. Re:Ooops, I did it again by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Problem fixed, takes all of 30 seconds.

      not for average joe users (you need to work a little with tech support: something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?... happens on daily basis...)

    32. Re:Ooops, I did it again by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      A computer at work contains a software which uses thermo printer driver from the software's vendor (not from the printer manufacturer). The computer was upgraded from Win7 to Win10 about a week ago. All of the sudden, whatever printed out from the printer didn't fit the paper it had been using. The symptom was similar to what I encountered before -- the driver is from its manufacturer. After replacing the printer driver with the old one from the vendor, it worked fine again... So, watch out that Win10 may overwrite your driver with its default if the driver is on their default driver list...

    33. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      None of the machines in my care and control have had their default apps switched, and there are currently four of them -- a desktop, two laptops, and a netbook. One of the laptops is awaiting parts after being gifted to a family member (though somewhat functional, so Windows 10 has already been installed), but the others are mine, meaning the defaults have been changed for every file format. I'm not using the included anything. I keep Edge available as a useful tool for determining if something just doesn't play nice with Pale Moon, but otherwise I don't use any of the bundled apps. That means I should be high on the target list if this was an "act of war", but absolutely nothing has happened.

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    34. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I got an alert about PDF and video files last night. I was a bit confused and assumed it was an attempted virus attack as I don't have a PDF reader to the best of my knowledge unless Office takes over PDF reading when it is installed.

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    35. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      The fix for that might be to change the permissions on the driver's file such that nobody has write access to it. That's what you have to do if you want to stop a machine from waking up from sleep/hibernate for updates -- after changing the settings, you have to remove permissions to change the file so that Windows Update is unable to change them back.

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    36. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Painted · · Score: 1

      Happened to me twice, I sat and watched as Win10 paraded a series of "An app default was reset due to an error". Nothing I could do about it either time.

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    37. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, format that drive like yesterday and come back to a machine that you have control over :)

    38. Re:Ooops, I did it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gnome 3 is hit/miss with high-DPI (such as a 27" 4K resolution screen). Some things work well, but most applications are either about 50% too large with their text or their icons are 50% too small. I figure that will improve over the next two years.

      Windows is a clusterfuck with 4k, it doesn't deal well when the display changes (such as hooking up to an external 4k TV via HDMI).

  3. It's Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this actually surprises people?

    1. Re:It's Microsoft by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People keep saying MS is changing for the better, but this is the exact kind of shit that earned them so much enmity in the first place.

    2. Re:It's Microsoft by fizzer06 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I tried to use Corel VideoStudio X5 yesterday, but it crashed on startup. Did some searching and discovered Micrososoft security updates KB3134814, KB3126587 and KB3126593, installed on Feb. 9, 2016 were the culprits. After removing them Corel worked fine again.

    3. Re:It's Microsoft by ttucker · · Score: 1

      If I had a dollar for every Windows 10 scandal that I did not give a shit about...

    4. Re:It's Microsoft by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't have any money at all.

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    5. Re:It's Microsoft by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      It's not really people, though. Not in the traditional sense of the word: if you follow their posting patterns you'll discover that those saying things like "Microsoft has changed into a friendly, modern company" or whatever nonsense like that, are actually some kind of shills/sockpuppets. Their posting patterns don't resemble those of an actual person - they seem to be "activated" at strategic times, either to support some Microsoft action, or to spread FUD about an incriminating news regarding Microsoft. I fully expect that such accounts are farmed by PR companies, and that tens, perhaps hundreds, are controlled by a single employee.

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    6. Re:It's Microsoft by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Astroturf cost about $0,50 per post.

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    7. Re:It's Microsoft by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      You are assuming that there was something wrong with the updates rather than something wrong with the way Corel had programmed VideoStudio. The More Information section of at least one of the knowledge base articles mentions VideoStudio (X8 and X9) and suggests that you install the updates from Corel to fix the crashing issues.

      I have no idea if that actually fixes the problem or just puts the onus to fix it back onto Corel, but it does indicate that this might not be a mistake on Microsoft's part.

    8. Re:It's Microsoft by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't actually need a job but that'd be a damned easy job to do. I wonder how one gets the job as an astroturfer or shill? I write a lot. I'd probably do okay at it. I'm not sure I could do it for a product I didn't like, however. Meh, then again... That'd depend on how much I needed the money or how much I liked the company.

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    9. Re:It's Microsoft by fizzer06 · · Score: 1

      I did install the updates, but it didn't help. Removing the updates did.

    10. Re:It's Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is saying MS is changing for the better? I haven't met anyone who is happy with the direction MS is going with Windows 10.

    11. Re:It's Microsoft by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      I guess that was because you are using a very old version that hasn't been updated in three years. The notice only specified X8 and X9.

      Even though those were security updates that you uninstalled, the fact that most people will have applied the updates should hopefully mean that malware will not bother to target those security holes providing you with the similar protection that medical vaccinations do when they inoculate a large enough portion of the public to act as a buffer to those who are not protected.

      While I still don't think that this was a problem of a bad Microsoft update, it still does show that Windows 10's inability to pick and choose updates is stupid.

    12. Re:It's Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Updates on Feb 9 (KB3126587 and KB3135173) also broke Incredibuild; however, this wasn't Windows 10-exclusive, it also broke on Windows 7. What's up with those updates? I can't remember the last time I had a Windows update actually break anything.

    13. Re:It's Microsoft by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? That's far more than I expected, considering how automated the whole process is.

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    14. Re:It's Microsoft by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The More Information section of at least one of the knowledge base articles mention...

      So I went to the linked article which pointed me for further information to a MS security bulletin which said I needed to refer to a KB article which sent me back to the security bulletin. I think I saw a white rabbit with a wristwatch at some point too. In any case I think what MS is trying to tell us is that they have a problem with too many levels of indirection through pointers.

    15. Re:It's Microsoft by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Duhno, you could only make $25 a day on /. - still, $25 more than you currently get posing to /. ;)

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    16. Re:It's Microsoft by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I post every day, pretty much. 'Snot like I've got a heavy schedule. At least I am free for most of the time. I've always got a tab open at Slashdot and I meander around a bit. I'd probably let them pay me $25 a day to post. Depending on the company, I might even "shill." (Though, I gotta be honest - I'm going to be dishonest and do it under a different username. I'm not entirely altruistic.)

      I'd probably just donate all the money to the ACLU or something. Assuming I take 2 weeks off, work 7 days a week..

      25*7*50 = 8750

      That's a good donation to the ACLU. It'd even pay my internet bill(s).

      35*3*12 = 1260

      So, even if I let it pay for my three DSL lines (at home) it'd still leave me with ~7500 to donate to the ACLU. That's not bad at all! Err... I have internet here, as well as cable television. I don't actually know what it costs me and I can't seem to figure it out by looking at their site. I can't say that I've any recollection of seeing a bill for it. So, I have no idea what I pay for 'net here. I'm not usually here so I guess I won't count it.

      'Snot bad speeds and I think it's fairly inexpensive. I get 50 down and either 5 or 10 up. It's far more than I need. At home, each line's real throughput is 13.5/1.5 and it's plenty for me. I'd switch to 10/5 if I could - I'd like to be able to tweak those numbers dynamically or with profiles. I have three disparate connections - and I can saturate all three and still get better than I pay for. (I pay for 12/.75.) However, they won't just let me pay 'em extra and buy all 45/6 in one pipe. (I also can't bridge 'em and get the throughput that way.)

      It's no big deal, I just have a connection in the shop/garage, in the house that was here when I bought the place and had rehabbed instead of torn down (guesthouse sounds too pretentious and makes me feel like I'm projecting an image that I'm uncomfortable with), and the one in the house. I've buried conduit and run wired connections so that I have access to all three and I've configured the networks to allow interoperability between them. It works and I'm able to have a "spare" as well as having a dedicated line for sharing my torrents. I seed a whole lot of Linux ISOs. Even on my slow DSL, it's not uncommon to see me wracking up some impressive throughput totals.

      By the way, you wouldn't happen to play KoL, would you?

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    17. Re:It's Microsoft by JazzLad · · Score: 1
      Ha, yeah, I was poking fun at the idea in the context of TapeCutter above:

      Astroturf cost about $0,50 per post.

      You seem really happy to speak your mind, I don't see you being voice for someone else's (at least not with your account).

      By the way, you wouldn't happen to play KoL, would you?

      I do now! (I wasn't aware of it, but I Googled it when you asked - Level 3, Accordion Thief).

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    18. Re:It's Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft *did* seem to be improving, through about Win7SP1. Something changed drastically in the company when Win8 came along, though, and with 10 they seem to have matured into a full-blown corporate creep. Could it be that BillG was a moderating influence of sorts?

    19. Re:It's Microsoft by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hah! It's an awesome game. LOL It's addictive but I finally broke my addiction a while back. Stay away from the RNG. Just... Just trust me on this one. Oh, you might do well for a while - even if you try the Martingale method... It's an unfortunate thing but inevitable that it will bite you - I'm not so sure that it's actually random, I'd like to see that code...

      Err... I wasn't intending for you to play but there's an odd number of Mormons there. At least there were, quite a few of whom were dedicated players and I'm assuming they still are. However, if you *do* get into the game, let me know. Oh no, seriously, let me know. I'll send you a few meat and get you started on your way to an addiction all your own. *sighs* Seriously, let me know if you do get into it and intend to keep playing. I've got a character worth millions and millions and millions of meat. I have to keep it in items, otherwise I spend it in the RNG because I'm gonna figure that algorithm out one of these days.

      No, really... I've screen-scraped and kept records, logged it by inserting it in the HTML, and even helped write a few tools to enable others. *sighs* I hate that thing... It's on the wrong side of the tracks, in the casino. I think you need a ticket and to be level 9. I don't know, I haven't played much in years. I've got hundreds of millions of meat put into that RNG. I'm "good" right now or so I think I left it. My lifetime's only down to like -72 million. It has been a full order of magnitude worse. I was in the positive at one point. That didn't last long.

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  4. Yeah, a "bug", sure... by maugle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never attribute to malice etc etc, but this isn't the first time Microsoft has pulled this sort of crap, and the fact that they still haven't put safeguards in place to prevent these "bugs" is telling.

    1. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they still haven't put safeguards in place to prevent these "bugs"

      They have. Changing default applications requires admin privileges.

    2. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. (Ian Fleming)

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    3. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Some of Microsoft's apps have been corrupted or disappeared on my laptop - the Windows Store, Windows Photos...

      It would be nice if they could make their apps ironclad before forcing them on us

    4. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same old Microsoft.

      They can make a show of switching CEOs from the overtly evil, thieving, manipulative bastard to the jumping, chair throwing, comical rage-monkey, to the mostly low-key new guy who thinks women should STFU and accept that it's their karma to be underpaid vs. men in the same job. It's still the house that Gates built and a leopard doesn't change its spots.

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    5. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      OK, but what comes next? It looks like we need a few more...

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    6. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      This is the result of a safeguard. If the update detects something that could cause a problem it resets settings to default.

      Every vendor does it. In fact some software just resets as a matter of course when upgrading, because annoying users is less hassle than handling support calls when it goes wrong.

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    7. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That quote about never attributing to malice only applies when dealing with people that have a direct personal relationship with you.

      When dealing with corporations or politicians, any assumption other than malice is just naive.

    8. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      ...and the fact that they still haven't put safeguards in place to prevent these "bugs" is telling.

      Well, of course they don't catch these "little goofs" -- all of their test systems are unblemished and run only genuine Microsoft applications, so they'll never even see when something they do 'accidentally' forces your preferences back to using the stock Microsoft applications, and keeps resetting them back when you try to make a 'third party' program the default for a file type. After all, Microsoft's software is perfect for all your needs; why would you ever want to use a different application to open your files than the one that Microsoft, in their infinite generosity, gave you as part of the operating system?

    9. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They're either extremely evil or the most inept company on the planet. It's hard to tell which sometimes.

      It is however very deliberate that they keep pushing those recommended updates about Windows 10 to older versions. Block a particular update and a month later it'll be back with a different number.

    10. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four times is two coincidences, five times is coincidental enemy action, six times is either three coincidences or twice enemy action...

    11. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amy Wong: Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

    12. Re:Yeah, a "bug", sure... by r0kk3rz · · Score: 1

      Never attribute to malice etc etc...

      Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice

  5. Is it time for a class action? by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I usually hate class action lawsuits, but as a Win10 user I'm getting sick of this crap. Between the spying, excuse me, "telemetry", the reboots in the middle of the night with the laptop closed, to resetting all my app associations, it's just a fucking joke. I don't believe for a second the app associate reset is a "bug", or a "glitch". It's something Microsoft is trying to sneak past us hoping that, if they do it enough times, we'll give up and use their app instead of the one we want.

    Don't tell me to run Linux. I do run Linux. I also need my laptop for things Linux won't run.

    1. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about us, it's about the end-user who blindly uses windows without knowing how to change default programs.

      Those people are dumb enough to use bundled MS apps without noticing, and MS gets to track them and say "See? People LOVE Edge!"

    2. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > as a Win10 user

      As a Windows 10 user, you deserve every drop of this.

      I know it sucks you can't use Linux, or OS X, or BSD, for some selection of applications (probably work related- for many others its games) that you just can't get anywhere else. But that's Microsoft's whole strategy! This is the endgame for vendor lock-in.

      Basically, Microsoft has said "deal with our bullshit or gtfo". Right now you kinda have other options- you can run 8.1 and be reasonably early in its support cycle, with its unfortunate UI. You can run 7 and be in the middle of its support cycle, and its probably the ideal Windows for most users who can't escape. But everyone knows those two won't be ok forever. You have to manually admin your 7 or 8.X box or you'll get telemetry pushed in (you probably have to tear it out already- they pushed the KBs live like last March and they didn't start sending data until summer), you'll have to be careful to avoid the Windows 10 "upgrade", etc.

      But at the end of the day, you paid for this, asked for this, and enabled this- and this is what you get. Microsoft will probably at some point have a version or update or optional whatever that gives you a functional Windows 10 or 11 or who cares, and you and everyone else will take the bait on at least ONE box, thus assuring that the lock in will never, ever end, and we'll be right back here except worse.

      It is crap, but this endgame has been predicted and known for over a decade, right?

    3. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's time for way more than that. If our authorities hadn't be so utterly bought and paid for, had what Microsoft been a case for the general prosecution long ago. The kind of shit they are pulling with their keyloggers, unauthorized updates, gravely misleading popups and what not is nothing but plain attempts at fraud and outright digital trespassing and arbitrary activity. Microsoft are criminals, plain and simple.

    4. Re:Is it time for a class action? by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Oh c'mon, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but do you SERIOUSLY think MS could reset everyone's apps to the MS apps and NO ONE would notice??? The people affected are the ones who go to the trouble to use a different app. This is going to cause MS a fair bit of grief and pain, and zero benefit.

    5. Re:Is it time for a class action? by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Except those people were already using MS apps. Next.

    6. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Right, because no one would *ever* need to run software for their job or to deal in some way with other humans where that software runs only on Windows.

      STFU troll. People in the real world have to get shit done, and your chiding them is part of the problem.

    7. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't tell me to run Linux. I do run Linux. I also need my laptop for things Linux won't run.

      So why are you upset? This is what Windows is. Always has been. I can't understand why people put up with it. I have other things too but will never put up with this.

    8. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People affected by this are the ones who aren't computer literate. I ensure my parents run firefox with ublock origin but i'm pretty sure my mother wouldn't really notice the difference if it suddenly changed to IE (would be impossible as i have her on ubuntu but you get the idea).

      Random computer illiterate people will just assume it's a new version of "the internet" and use it from then on without realising what is really happening. And considering that 49% of the population is of 'below average' intelligence i imagine the number of people now using edge instead of what they were using before is in the hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions.

    9. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      so you're thick enough to blindly "upgrade" to win10 without bothering to do due diligence. Hahahahahaha, twat. No one cares what you think, you're lazy and created your own problems. Hahahahahahaha. Waaaa whaaaa. likle bwaby upset, diddums.

    10. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well watching all this makes me glad I don't have Windows 10 anywhere. Yes I still have some old Windows 7 so I don't really have a position to gloat from. But I'm still not seeing any advantages to running Win 10. By the time there is anything ultra compelling hopefully I have alternatives to all of those items that are non-Windows. Work is probably the toughest thing to answer. If it wasn't for that I could probably drop all MS products again.

    11. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Don't tell me to run Linux. I do run Linux. I also need my laptop for things Linux won't run."

      Ever hear of WINE? Or virtual machines? Stop making excuses and just stop using Windows.

    12. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except those people were already using MS apps. Next.

      No. Most technically illiterate end-users still have enough sense to ask their more knowledgeable kid or neighbor to set up their PC, meaning their default apps were set to something actually good.

    13. Re:Is it time for a class action? by iampiti · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, up to now I was happy with Ms' business model: I give them money for a Windows license they give me a decent OS which allows me to run the software I want and stays out of my way.
      They've now have changed it and it doesn't suit my needs. Was I stupid by trusting that Microsoft was going to update Windows in a way that didn't suck? Maybe, but I repeat, up to now we had an exchange that satisfied both parties, I could've continued that way but Ms no longer want it.
      I asked for this? No, I didn't, I asked for the other model to continue. This is enabled by Ms' near monopoly on desktop OS and by people who do upgrade to Windows 10. I everyone refused they'd have no recourse but to back up.
      My future? Windows for games and Linux for everything else

    14. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about no one noticing. It's about, you helped your mom configure her stuff, and now it has reverted. You have to help again, OR she doesn't notice and is now using crappier shit that is more under Microsoft's control. This is just one more numbers game by Microsoft.

    15. Re:Is it time for a class action? by unrtst · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of reasons why one might be running Windows and (mostly) incapable of doing much about that, but the example you presented is not one of them (at least not in this context).

      If the GP already runs Linux, and if they are truly sick of running Windows 10, then:
      * run GNU/Linux as the primary OS
      * stick Windows in a VM and only use it for apps that you can not replace for whatever reason
      * snapshot the VM prior to update cycles, so you can easily roll back.

      That does still leave some edge cases where the user requires direct hardware access from Windows, but those are very rare cases, and the user is probably using something to image their test machine already anyway.

    16. Re:Is it time for a class action? by chipschap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      By putting substantial effort into it, I've been able to get almost completely away from Windows (haven't booted my Win 8.1 partition in at least a month).

      At one time, when Wine wasn't very good and some things that I had to have, like decent OCR, weren't functional on Linux, I was stuck. But things have evolved and so have my adaptivity skills.

      I realize I'm not making a good general case here. Of course, if you're an average user and most of what you do is on the Web or involves typical office suite work, Linux will work for you just about out of the box. If you have specialized needs, I contend that Linux can often be made to work for you, although sometimes that won't be true. (Gamers have the biggest problem, I suppose; people that require a specialized vertical such as maybe medical imaging software and others.)

      But to come the point, with all the Microsoft nonsense I keep reading about (and trying very hard to stay clear of), there's a lot of incentive. Microsoft seems to be getting more and more aggressive and not even caring enough to conceal it. There's a lot of reason to try to get away from their lock-in.

      Will Microsoft eventually self-destruct? To some extent IBM, which in its day was every bit as aggressive, did. But I'm not willing to put up with another decade of suffering.

    17. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I give them money for a Windows license they give me a decent OS

      I mean, this is exactly why everyone is so hot about this. They changed from offering an OS to offering a spyware mess. If any of these posts gets modded up, you can expect some ACs to come in and say "but Android does this too!". Now, it doesn't, but even if it sucked raw anus with a straw, it's not a reason for Windows to wonder "how long a straw do I need"- but wait for it, those dual class Apologist / Shills will be here shortly.

      The thing is, Microsoft changing models to something shitty was INEVITABLE. That's the core problem. Microsoft has been forced in court to NOT do many things- you didn't have a rational agreement with Microsoft, you had the government pointing metaphorical guns at them and demanding they behave in a barely civilized fashion. Then you gave them money and were ok with the results. That's you supporting a version of the company that requires constant legal expenditure to ensure that they don't just flip out and destroy everything.

      The funniest part is that the paid version (Pro) available to individuals is a hot mess of spyware and total shit. Only Enterprise even has the ability to be controlled, and there's evidence that neutering it still takes an external firewall. The idea that corporations get privacy and you don't is scary as fuck.

    18. Re:Is it time for a class action? by FatRichie · · Score: 1

      I disagree about those being affected. The ones that aren't computer literate never changed the defaults anyway.

    19. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would consider next using WINE or ReactOS to run the Windows programs when at all possible.

    20. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      You are correct. Let me put it in context for those who missed the conviction of Microsoft of illegally maintaining a monopoly. They were found to have stacked the deck against many competitors, among them Netscape, which made browsers. Without much delay, Microsoft's conviction sent the NASDAQ plummeting to about 20 per cent of its peak.

      Microsoft is now in the same position, but this time, the Justice Department is likely to be in friendly Republican hands next year, so prosecution is unlikely. Even if Sanders should win, however, the economy cannot take another shock like the 2000 crash, so Microsoft may feel free to do its will.

      They refuse to compete on the basis of quality, relying on marketing tricks to maintain dominance. Windows 10's free upgrade offer is the true definition of a Trojan Horse: Let it inside your gates and it will attack in the middle of the night.

    21. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you can use a previous version of Windows like all of the smart people are doing. There is nothing that requires Windows 10 to run.

    22. Re:Is it time for a class action? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      My only real roadblock is gaming and I don't like the consoles attractive since I can currently do everything with my PC. Why should I buy hardware just for gaming?
      Will Microsoft self-destruct? I don't think so. Sadly, most people don't think like us and just tolerate whatever Microsoft throws at them. But of course I'd be very happy if they were forced to retreat and release a "decent" Windows

    23. Re:Is it time for a class action? by nnull · · Score: 1

      He already explained why he won't run linux, because certain things don't run in linux and I can relate.

    24. Re:Is it time for a class action? by ttucker · · Score: 0

      "Don't tell me to run Linux," very well. I suspect you don't anyway,

      Let's see... well supported desktop environment or a pile of shitty desktop apps...

      The real argument for the Linux desktop is... it runs chrome and gterm?

    25. Re:Is it time for a class action? by nnull · · Score: 1

      There are certain applications that run like crap in the VM. Have you tried Autocad? Solidworks? Both will run like crap and doesn't matter if you have the latest and greatest in hardware. Running it on a laptop just makes things worse.

    26. Re: Is it time for a class action? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out if I can safely move my wife's photo editing workstation to Linux. It needs to run the Adobe Creative Cloud versions of Photoshop and Lightroom, us third party plug-ins, plus screen color calibration software (and hardware).

      If I can make that all work, the next stop after Windows 7 is Linux for that system.

      (Please don't suggest alternatives to PS for her needs. For various reasons that ain't happening.)

    27. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then use Linux. Steam and gog.com are getting more and more Linux titles every day. As of right now, Steam has over 3800 titles and gog.com has over 400 titles for Linux. Steam's Linux library in particular is growing at an unprecedented rate.

      Another possibility is to use Remix OS or Android x86. You'll have access to the enormous Android gaming library.

      The best option is to use Linux with Steam, gog.com, Wine, Genymotion and various console emulators. With that setup, there would be very little that you couldn't play.

    28. Re:Is it time for a class action? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      8.1 seems to be the sweet spot. Unless you are a gamer there isn't much in 10 that 8.1 doesn't have. There is some useful stuff over 7, like better high DPI support and SED support.

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    29. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      By putting substantial effort into it, I've been able to get almost completely away from Windows (haven't booted my Win 8.1 partition in at least a month).

      I've got an ARM cross compiler and JTAG debugger, neither runs under Linux. Those are the only 2 programs I use that won't run under Linux. Unfortunately, those are the 2 programs the money tree grows from.

    30. Re: Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's iphones don't even allow "default apps" option. The default are all Apple apps. Click a link in an email and safari opens. No one complains about Apple loudly.

      Good luck with the lawsuit.

    31. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a Windows 10 user, you deserve every drop of this. I know it sucks you can't use Linux, or OS X, or BSD, for some selection of applications

      Blame the victim. Right.

      I need Windows 10 because I support code that is used by people who use Windows 10. I cannot change what they do, and I like getting a paycheck, so I use Windows 10.

      I appreciate that you think I deserve whatever happens because of that, but your opinion doesn't put food on my table, and it's pretty arrogant and just ridiculous.

      Right now you kinda have other options- you can run 8.1 and be reasonably early in its support cycle,

      Thanks for telling me what I can run. Isn't that the same kind of thing that Microsoft is doing with their changes to default programs (they are NOT "apps")? And tell me, how does paying Microsoft for an 8.1 upgrade help me support people who are running 10? Are you going to pay for my 8.1 upgrade?

      you'll have to be careful to avoid the Windows 10 "upgrade", etc.

      I didn't "have to be careful" to avoid the upgrade. All it took was deleting gwx.exe and everything else in that directory.

      But at the end of the day, you paid for this, asked for this,

      You are an ignorant, arrogant jerk, and that is putting it kindly.

    32. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually hate class action lawsuits, but as a Win10 user I'm getting sick of this crap.

      You mean so that you gang up with a million others and get $10 each?

      Go to small claims and at least get the cost of Windows 7/8 back since Microsoft probably pushed Windows 10 over it without your consent.
      Class action is fine if you just want to whine but don't really care enough to get compensated.

    33. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he doesn't deserve any of this. Fuck you.

    34. Re:Is it time for a class action? by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      Deleted my last living microsoft partition a number of months ago. Long enough I couldn't say exactly when. Mint now runs on all my machines. There was just one single program from the m$ft universe I really really miss. (You can laugh, but it was Access, which with all it's limitations and quirks, does certain things very well, and those were exactly what I needed.) But that wasn't near enough to keep me in indentured servitude. I haven't regretted the change for a second. Small losses and big gains.

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    35. Re:Is it time for a class action? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I will swap to windows 10 when my corporate overlord does, they have 180,000 crash test dummies and do not jump just because MS tells them to.

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    36. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      No. Most technically illiterate end-users still have enough sense to ask their more knowledgeable kid or neighbor to set up their PC, meaning their default apps were set to something actually good.

      So all those people who said that Internet Explorer's market share was only because it came as default with Windows were wrong then?

    37. Re:Is it time for a class action? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      The judge is going to want to know what harm you can prove. While having to reset the defaults is a pain in the ass, it's probably not worth a whole lot and probably isn't going to get them to change their behavior. You've got to prove harm. Telemetry isn't harm (according to the courts) in the US - yet. I guess you could try for that but they'll just put a bigger warning in their EULA or change some wording around. I think you'd actually need some legislation and they'd just be included in that legislation - grandfathered in, and not actually in a rush to make a new version of Win 10 but planning on doing a rolling release cycle. So...

      Err... Hmm... Yeah, I umm... I guess I'm fortunate in that there's no software that makes Windows a compelling choice for me. I don't even have a Windows VM. I do have a Windows phone but that's because I don't do anything but browse, email, text, and make phone calls. Oh, sometimes I use the GPS but I've never actually used the GPS (or bluetooth) with this phone. I've never listened to music on it nor have I watched a video on it. I've never even played a game. I don't even have any apps on it that did not come with it - but it's a myth that there are none! I've looked and there are some. There's a bunch, actually. I don't actually need or want any.

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    38. Re:Is it time for a class action? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have a real honest-to-goodness neckbeard and am happily using Linux right this minute.

      I respectfully disagree. I do not agree that Microsoft is in a position where they are a monopoly. They might have some market segments locked down fairly well but they're hardly a monopoly. The average compute device is running Android and more people compute with hand-held devices than they do with a desktop or laptop.

      These days, the heavy lifting is being pushed back out into the server room so if they do any heavy lifting at all - that's probably done on a server that runs Linux.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    39. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real argument for the Linux desktop is...

      A desktop app gone wrong doesn't bring down the whole system, and I can compile for 64-bit without paying a fee to Microsoft.

      What do I win?

    40. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't had a Windows partition since 2004.

      Glad you could finally make it to the party.

    41. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      Good point about Android's ubiquity, but Microsoft still has a monopoly on the desktop market, which is still of considerable size.

      The 1999 lawsuit was about desktops, not servers.

    42. Re: Is it time for a class action? by Nunya666 · · Score: 0

      Apple's iphones don't even allow "default apps" option. The default are all Apple apps. Click a link in an email and safari opens. No one complains about Apple loudly.

      That's because people who buy Apple products know what they're getting into. "Only what Apple allows" and "too much $$$" are the Apple mantra. If you want choices, then go with Android.

      When it comes to M$ Windoze, today's environment is nothing like what I "bought into" when I bought WinXP or Win7.

    43. Re:Is it time for a class action? by donaldm · · Score: 1

      There are certain applications that run like crap in the VM. Have you tried Autocad? Solidworks? Both will run like crap and doesn't matter if you have the latest and greatest in hardware. Running it on a laptop just makes things worse.

      It may come as a shock to you but not that many PC users run Autocad or Solidworks.

      For those people who need a CAD package or pretty much any software package there are Linux based alternatives. When I talk about alternatives I don't necessarily mean free either. A simple Google (oops sorry "Bing") search will find them for you.

      Running applications under a virtual machine is a great way to at least have them working while you search for alternatives.

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    44. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I have Windows 8.1 PRO, and I'm debating off and on if I should upgrade now just so that I can get the pro version for free which let's me opt out of forced updates, as opposed to having to pay full pro price for it when Windows 8 support is dropped.

    45. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I didn't "have to be careful" to avoid the upgrade. All it took was deleting gwx.exe and everything else in that directory.

      Been there, done that... updated Windows and they probably had an updated version because it came back.

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    46. Re:Is it time for a class action? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Probably, given the era, more about 'general compute devices' than desktops specifically. Thus, I'd not expect any government to say they're a monopoly. That doesn't mean they can't be slapped down for abusive behaviors. It just means they're probably not going to have the threat of being labeled a monopoly and subject to things like additional monitoring or penalties above and beyond the norm for abusive behaviors. Most governments have lots of tools in their toolbox. I don't think they'd need monopoly here - I'm not even sure if it would fit.

      We've got Chromebooks, tablets, Linux, OS X, iOS, and ARM based devices. We've got digital assistants that are disparate devices and computers in our kid's toys. We've got office systems running on anything from Linux to OSX to BSD to Windows - even at the desktop level. I don't think they're gonna really try to argue they're still a monopoly. Abusive? Absolutely. A monopoly? Err... I'm thinking no.

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    47. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Windows 10 user, you (we) have no right to sue MS for anything, whether by individual or class action. We have the right, individually, if we have certain types of particularized damage, to seek compensation or some other remedy through arbitration, which is governed by various rules in various MS agreements that we accepted by installing and using Win10, and which is by no means neutral. IOW, suck it up folks, nothing can be done about it. If a lawyer things he/she can get around MS' language, let's hear about it.

      I'll keep using Win7 (which has similar provisions attached to it now) until the olde hardware dies, then will probably move to Linux if I still need a real computer. Even with all its recent faults, for instance, Mint can do about 70% of what I normally need a computer for out of the box, and might be able to run the rest (Win-only software) using various "compatibility" tricks.

    48. Re:Is it time for a class action? by CRC'99 · · Score: 0

      The best option is to use Linux with Steam, gog.com, Wine, Genymotion and various console emulators. With that setup, there would be very little that you couldn't play.

      Except the performance you get on Linux with steam games is just horrible. Yes, I don't have the worlds best hardware - but Cities: Skylines runs at ~30fps in Windows 7, about 12fps in Linux. Team Fortress 2 hovers around 120fps on Windows, about 45 on Linux.

      Sorry - but graphics drivers have a LONG way to go before they're useful in Linux. Don't even get me started on the complete lack of power savings etc....

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    49. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is going to change very soon

      (1) Vulkan was just released, nVidia and Intel have released Linux drivers, AMD hasn't yet because AMD is losing money right now and doesn't need drivers if they can't sell anything this year

      (2) Note that nVidia has the furthest-along Vulkan driver. It should not be a surprise that nVidia is used by all the Steam Machines currently out.

      (3) The new DooM game will be released with OpenGL 4.5. Valve's Source 2 supports Vulkan, all the other major engines have plan to get Vulkan support soon

    50. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame the victim. Right.

      A wise man once said: If you love someone, set them free. If they come back, they are yours to keep.

      And guess what... Microsoft users just keep coming back for more. Windows 8. Windows 8.1. Windows 10.

    51. Re:Is it time for a class action? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Which is also why half my neighbourhood now has automatic updates turned off (that is, set to manual). No auto-updates = chance of malware that screws up the user experience and makes my life a pain, auto-updates = guaranteed malware (Win10) that screws up the user experience and makes my life a pain.

      One single neighbour actually wanted to try Win10 so I installed it for them on a laptop. I don't think they've used the laptop since that first day. AFAIK they haven't actually turned it on since their first day with Win10, it just sits in a back room unused.

    52. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I need Windows 10 because I support code that is used by people who use Windows 10. I cannot change what they do, and I like getting a paycheck, so I use Windows 10.

      So run windows in a VM - and use it only for dealing with that "code other people use". Don't use it for any other work. Writing reports/presentations, reading docs, surfing the web, email, ... it can all be done on another OS. Linux, apple - even bsd.

    53. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, it has SED, but what about AWK?

    54. Re:Is it time for a class action? by rizole · · Score: 1

      Up to now I've been very happy with my business model of obtaining Windows free. I downloaded my warez and dodgy volume license and gave the man the finger. Now they've reversed that model it's all a bit Soviet Russia downloading me. I can has finger?

    55. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I need Windows 10 because I support code that is used by people who use Windows 10. I cannot change what they do, and I like getting a paycheck, so I use Windows 10.

      I appreciate that you think I deserve whatever happens because of that, but your opinion doesn't put food on my table, and it's pretty arrogant and just ridiculous.

      I like getting my paycheck as a professional hitman, so I carry a gun, but these states and other countries keep enacting laws that prevent me from carrying and discharging my firearm whilst pointed at another person's head. I keep getting arrested and jailed for this but I just want to earn a living.

      I appreciate that you think I deserve whatever happens because of that, but your opinion doesn't put food on my table, and it's pretty arrogant and just ridiculous.

    56. Re: Is it time for a class action? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      For various reasons that ain't happening.

      It's because you like getting laid isn't it?

      For those who aren't married there are places where you pick your battles, and this is one that while you may win the battle it will cost you more than you would like.

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    57. Re:Is it time for a class action? by phorm · · Score: 1

      "I also need my laptop for things Linux won't run."

      Also fun when a win10 auto "upgrade" blows up the MBR because you *were* running Linux, rendering the machine unbootable for either OS (as happened to a friend of mine)

    58. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but Cities: Skylines runs at ~30fps in Windows 7, about 12fps in Linux

      That is the fault of the game developer. Cities: Skylines was running fine on Linux before they pushed out a patch that fucked it up.

      Team Fortress 2 hovers around 120fps on Windows, about 45 on Linux

      Funny, because I get over 300 FPS in TF2 on Linux and every single comparison I've seen places TF2 performance on Linux as equal to or superior to Windows. I think you just have something set up wrong.

    59. Re:Is it time for a class action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even for gaming you don't need Windows 10. Every single benchmark I've seen has placed Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 at or over the performance of Windows 10. All of that worthless spyware, forced updates and Cortana crap running in the background probably aren't helping. It would also be annoying to be in the middle of a game when updates kick in, first lagging you out and then forcing a reboot and kicking you out. Fun.

    60. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Don't tell me to run Linux. I do run Linux. I also need my laptop for things Linux won't run.

      ... and let Windows FUCKING ACTIVE during the night? Where you are running linux, in a fucking VM? Have you considered the other way around (rum Windoze on a VM)?

    61. Re:Is it time for a class action? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I'm sure what you say is true but I still like the 7's ui better (classic start menu).
      DirectX 12 is the classic bait Microsoft uses to get gamers on the new version as DirectX 10 was for Vista

    62. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Abusive? Absolutely. A monopoly? Err... I'm thinking no.

      I largely agree with this

    63. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      some selection of applications (probably work related- for many others its games) that you just can't get anywhere else.

      there's controversy all over this subject! * there is WINE and virtualbox... (where I worked, on serpro.gov.br, users that "need" some windows software has VMware Player with windows in his machine - the use of a expensive licensed software here [VMware] was beneficial, I think: apparently, for management, windows user are very most costful for maintenance...)

    64. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      (haven't booted my Win 8.1 partition in at least a month)

      In my home, there's no windows partitions (buyed some laptops for a sister with it, but wipe it and put a Linux distro intead was a no brainer... even with broken warranty, in some cases) ^^

    65. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      they have 180,000 crash test dummies

      Man, I'm in a laugh crisis now!

    66. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      +1 Informative

    67. Re:Is it time for a class action? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      The ones that aren't computer literate never changed the defaults anyway.

      Others changed to him (a grandson/granddaughter, a neighbor, etc) and there's no one to change back after the upgrade... them, user share up (and profit)!

    68. Re:Is it time for a class action? by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Except the fact that desktop apps are one of the largest attack surfaces on desktop machines, and one of the most significant malware vectors.

      Think... acrobat reader, java plugin, flash, IE, chrome, firefox, malicious office documents, can you think of more?

  6. Yes and all that by no-body · · Score: 1

    Just by "mistake" - what are those individuals doing it smoking over there, the "I am the Allmighty" weed?

  7. Leaving the Windows by mssymrvn · · Score: 1

    Between this, the user experience spyware, the WinSXS nightmare, and the general vulnerability of the operating system overall, our company is moving all computers away from Windows. MS keeps shooting themselves in the foot. The schadenfreude is delicious. Unfortunately, UPS and FedEx shipping software still require Windows. But we keep them isolated and on Win7 (hopefully for as long as possible).

    Anybody else doing likewise? I'd love to hear of a large company moving away from MS products.

    1. Re:Leaving the Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Business apps are all going web anyhow, so soon it won't matter what OS you are using.

      Android is the most used consumer OS in the world, Steam OS is gaining more titles by the day and Vulkan is already being used in some things. The days of the Windows monopoly is coming to a close.

    2. Re:Leaving the Windows by ledow · · Score: 3, Informative

      With virtualisation and web-based services, the OS barely matters any more. This is part of the reason that MS are suffering - they can't tie you into their application format, or even their browser, and neither can they stop you running Windows only where necessary for compatibility and in isolated VM's.

      Look at Chromebooks - the browser is the OS nowadays. And any service supplier that doesn't realise that is going to be ousted as soon as their competitors do. Hell, with Node.js, emscripten, etc. you can run traditional programs in the browser almost as if they were native (go have a look at the emscripten example 3D games on their website).

      The tie-downs for my uses are actually hardware-based. Where you have to have a USB dongle, or a Smartcard reader (e.g. banking, etc.) in order to do a task. Though USB passthrough exists, it ties you to particular computers and locations, and it also means that it's harder to setup and maintain.

      I can't move our banking software because it relies on a USB smartcard that ties itself to the machine's Windows installation.

      But, pretty much, if I was in charge of a company in my industry or any of the others that I could conceivably work in, I could easily justify and manage without any particular OS or proprietary software at all. There's not much nowadays that relies on such things, and those that do seem very limiting and old-fashioned.

      Hell, a few years back, there was a boiler in the place I worked - a serious thing that covered a huge site from one location. The software was the most locked-down thing I've ever seen. But I was still able to virtualise it by tricking the installers into thinking the machine they were in front of was just a physical machine. They installed all the software, set it up, activated and registered the MAC interfaces, etc. And when they were gone, I took the VM image they'd actually been working on and moved it to the servers, and turned the workstation back into just-another-client.

      I've had to deal with quite a few manufacturers who just don't like you VM'ing things but can't justify exactly why. For at least three of them, I've tricked them like that or just virtualised it and then fixed the software. The manufacturers who get my custom easier are those who go "Oh, yes, well we have an image for VMWare or HyperV if you want one, we just don't advertise it".

      Hell, the firewall where I work is actually a VM nowadays, and our VM's are 40:60 Linux and Windows. Even then, it's usually only because we separate by task and are licensed on Server Datacenter (so we can run unlimited VM copies of Windows on them), so we're running many more copies of Windows than strictly necessary. If costs changed, we could easily go 90:10.

    3. Re:Leaving the Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't move our banking software because it relies on a USB smartcard that ties itself to the machine's Windows installation.

      You can move to another bank. I did when my bank came up with silly shit that only ran on Windows. I did give them chance to furnish me with a Windows machine to do my banking on but they wouldn't do that. I explained that it was cheaper to change banks than to buy a computer to do only my banking on. The bank I use now their online services work just fine on Linux.

    4. Re:Leaving the Windows by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      A lot of this relies on the major software companies supporting non-Windows platforms.

      E.g., the VMware vSphere client would only run on Windows. Likewise, Virtual Center itself ran on Windows Server. Now vSphere has a web client, and Virtual Center is distributed as a Linux-based VM.

      And just like that, the premiere enterprise virtualization infrastructure went from requiring Microsoft operating systems to being vendor-agnostic. Most of our admins kept their Windows desktops, but now it's their choice.

      PS---The WinSxS "nightmare" is fixed, provided you have Win7 or later. You either remove old update files through the UI (Win7), or you run DISM with the /resetbase flag (Win8+).

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    5. Re:Leaving the Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS Train Simulator is a strange one. Even if a VM environment supports enough video emulation to run all versions of DirectX, MSTS somehow thinks that DirectX and "hardware acceleration" are missing and refuses to run, despite the fact that it's written to DX8. Have tried it with that result in both XP and 98 under VirtualPC, VMWare, and VirtualBox. OTOH, it runs fine in Wine (and, yes, with minor tweaks, it runs fine in Windows 98 through 10 on real hardware). Go figure. Could this be the modern "compatibility" test for VMs, like the old Flight Simulator 4 test for MSDOS machine compatibility?

  8. Microsoft's main product: ABUSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People think that Microsoft is a software company. That's not correct. Microsoft is an ABUSE company that uses software as a method of delivering ABUSE.

    My opinion, shared by many, many people.

    1. Re:Microsoft's main product: ABUSE! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

      As an IT support contractor, Microsoft is a JOB SECURITY company that pays my salary. Every month the same Windows issues popped up on different computers that need remediation. I'm 20 years into my IT career with Windows. Woo-hoo!

    2. Re:Microsoft's main product: ABUSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People think that Microsoft is a software company. That's not correct. Microsoft is an ABUSE company that uses software as a method of delivering ABUSE.
      My opinion, shared by many, many people.

      And you're completely free to NOT use their software.

    3. Re:Microsoft's main product: ABUSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an astroturfer, M$ is a JOB SECURITY company that pays your salary to shill for them. Every month the same Windoze issues popped up on different computers that need remediation in the form of GNU/Linux. You are several years into your career with M$ and your multiple accounts on $lashdot proves it.

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    4. Re:Microsoft's main product: ABUSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as you are completely free to quit your job and find another. Just as you are completely free to move out of your apartment and into another. Just as you are completely free to move out of your country and into another.

      Much easier said than done.

  9. Deja Vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its funny how often this seems to happen

  10. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is as it should be. You seriously think google can make a better browser than the company that invented web browsing?

    1. Re:Good by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      The *company* that invented web browsing? Back when everyone was using Mosaic? Netscape Navigator would crash your machine when people didn't close HTML tags, and IE popped out later like an afterbirth.

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Netscape Navigator crash your machine". I used it a lot and helped many students with crappy HTML, I don't recall Navigator ever crashing a machine.

    3. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! And Firefox too, as open source which allows things like Pale Moon (specialist species) to happen.

  11. Not this shit again by ZeekWatson · · Score: 1

    Pick one from this selection of images: http://photobucket.com/images/...

  12. its a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been on the mailing list about this since it was first mentioned about a week ago. MS definitely doesn't want this happening and it shouldn't have happened this round.

  13. Welcome to July 2015 by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Windows 10 updates have been doing this since it was released to the general public in July 2015, why is it only just making headlines now?

    1. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      It's never happened to me, and didn't this most recent round, either. Maybe because it's not as widespread as you think that it's not an issue.

    2. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

      It's never happened to me, either. Has it been reported on why it affects some users but not others?

    3. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I saw something once suggesting that using powershell to remove uninstallable metro apps causes it.

    4. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's never happened to me, and didn't this most recent round, either.

      Good for you!

      Maybe because it's not as widespread as you think that it's not an issue.

      Or maybe it is more widespread than it should be and it is an issue, despite you not being hit by it and thus not thinking much of it.

      If you do some basic research, you might end up with a broadened perspective. Something that in my experience is a good thing.

      Try it.

    5. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by Lisias · · Score: 1

      It's never happened to me, either. Has it been reported on why it affects some users but not others?

      It never happened to me neither. I just don't know why...

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    6. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      It's never happened to me, either. Has it been reported on why it affects some users but not others?

      Hasn't affected me either. Of course, I don't use Windows 10...

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    7. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Apparently it got so bad that MS is now unable to bribe the "journalists" reporting this. Just another reason to stay away from win10 like the plague.

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    8. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by Nunya666 · · Score: 0

      Some of the Win10 hi-jinks have been saved for Home users. Domain-bound systems have been excluded from some of them.

    9. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Posting a question on a forum is a form of research. Others here implied it was wide-spread. I've seen no facts to support that. You don't have any, or you'd have shared. Right?

    10. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So people who use specialized administrator tools to screw with the default apps find their default apps misbehaving? Who would have guessed. So this problem affects 0.001% of users, but that thousandth of a percent is the vocal minority?

    11. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by Luthair · · Score: 1

      There is no technical reason that most of these applications cannot be uninstalled (e.g. phone or contacts on your PC). There is another subset like Cortana that cannot even be removed that way that are presumably are actually required by the OS.

    12. Re:Welcome to July 2015 by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 updates have been doing this since it was released to the general public in July 2015, why is it only just making headlines now?

      Beer for breakfast is not such a good idea.

      Title, TFS, and TFA all say that this is about KB3135173: "Cumulative update for Windows 10 Version 1511: February 9, 2016".

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  14. It also resets preferences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had to switch off shared updates several times.

  15. Strange... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    I was prompted to select Microsoft Edge earlier this week and selected Google Chrome instead. Not sure if that was the forced update or gamma radiation.

    1. Re:Strange... by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

      Yea i never had issue with any update resetting my defaults. Wonder how isolated it really is or is it just blown outta proportion.

    2. Re:Strange... by Mr.Intel · · Score: 1

      There is an active and vocal thread (one of many) that lead me to believe that there are a lot of people affected. Personally, I re-installed Win10 from ISO and the problem went away.

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  16. I upgraded Linux and it FORCED me to use systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that this must be some kind of terrible bug, but the truth was much worse!

  17. Win 7 does at least some of it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to reset my default mail client to Eudora (yes, I know. I'm an old guy.) after every Microsoft update to Win 7. My Firefox browser default seems unaffected.

    1. Re:Win 7 does at least some of it too by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Damn I loved Eudora. At some point in the process of going from computer to computer I lost it, but that was a seriously nice email client. Sadly for a while I ended up on Thunderbird, which is a stinking pile that makes Windows Live Mail look like manna from heaven.

    2. Re:Win 7 does at least some of it too by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Try Sylpheed.

      I started using it when I was running a NetBSD desktop, but it has a decent Windows binary that is downloadable, too.

      One of the things I like best about Sylpheed is the way it properly nests emails if you subscribe to a List server.

      Also, the way messages are stored as individual files in a directory hierarchy, but can also easily be archived into mbox files.

    3. Re:Win 7 does at least some of it too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should grab Pegasus Mail then. It predates Eudora and it's still being actively developed.

      I've been using it for 25 years and never a problem.

  18. There have been many improvements to the MS apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft is just letting people know about them.

  19. Good for Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft is simply apping apps that app other apps, which is what modern app appers know is the right thing to do!

    Apps!

  20. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck letting a bunch of lawyers get rich off this. Its time for another Antitrust case. This is flat abuse of monopoly status on the platform. Its time to break Microsoft into at least 3 companies if not more.

  21. If you have nothing to hide... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would only use microsoft products.

  22. Just don't install the Start menu loss update by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's an even more evil bug going around in the Windows 10 fever pit right now, the sudden loss of Start menu functionality. One day you boot up and although there's still a Stafrt button, it no longer brings up its menu, and any program icons you pinned to the Taskbar are gone. As with so many other bugs in a new Windows version, a search reveals that a lot of people are getting this and there is a plethora of suggested workarounds, but none of them will work. You have to reinstall Windows.

    1. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by herve_masson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't it the infamous "tablet mode" that get automagically enabled ? Took me one hour to understand what happened and disable this damn shit, another hour to rant against yet another windows 10 crap.

    2. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't the Metro app buttons appear in Tablet mode as an alternative to the computer desktop? In the syndrome I'm describing, you still see the desktop, minus some of your personal icons , and with a Start button that doesn't do anything. No Metro icons.

    3. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Hahahaha really? Every time I read about one of these things I'm glad I stuck with Win7 and Linux. :-) Windows 10 is for suckers!

    4. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you don't. It's the start menu's EDB database getting broken. You can either repair the EDB database with a tool lifted from Microsoft Exchange or copy it over from another user (and thereby resetting that thing that replaces the start menu and looks like NY times square at night with all those animations)

    5. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      This update actually fixed this problem for me.

      It also blew away all my Quick Access links in windows explorer.

    6. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      Some of us need to stay ahead of the users so when it's time to upgrade everyone we know what to do right away.

    7. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by herve_masson · · Score: 1

      Hm, that's right, it seems to be slightly different. I don't recall precisely what happens, but I clearly remebered the start button was visible with no effect whatsoever, and I think the desktop was replaced by the tile view. Looks like this 'feature' has numerous variations...
      Quite frankly, this is a small addition to my "I don't want windows anymore" long list, well after the absurd automatic "rebooting with opened apps" to install some vital updates when I wakeup my laptop to ... well ... work. Who's the genius that made this decision ?
      Enough Rant, I just need to install linux. MS lost me on that version, after some good fellings on windows seven.

    8. Re:Just don't install the Start menu loss update by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      And you do that via a VM. Running Win10 day to day when you could just be keeping it sandboxed in a VM to stay ahead is just silly.

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  23. This is the result of "telemetry" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With Windows 10 users living in the in the nightmare world of the Panopticon, I'll bet dimes to dollars Microsoft knows exactly how many people are not using Microsoft's own programs to open their software. Some manager somewhere saw the numbers weren't good enough to ensure her bonuses, so MS pushes out an update to reset the preferences which users have clearly chosen. I bet it works, too, after 3 months the numbers are will still be above where they were before the update. Evil like this has the unfortunate tendency to work.

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    1. Re:This is the result of "telemetry" by gtall · · Score: 0

      Oh c'mon, a dirty trick doesn't rise to the level of "evil". Hitler was evil, Stalin was evil, this is just MS showing in precise terms just how they feel about their customers. If you are using MS, you are used to this sort of thing and have decided to accept it. So change your app preferences back and go back to sucking the MS teat.

    2. Re:This is the result of "telemetry" by nnull · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, then that means Microsoft is going down if they completely lost control of their management for doing intentional mistakes like this.

    3. Re:This is the result of "telemetry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Software companies are supposed to increase market share of their programs through bug fixes and new features. Telemetry is useful to keep track of progress. Microsoft is in a special position because they also control Windows updates. Some clever manager thought it would be easier to increase the numbers by making a phone call to the Windows Update department. Next step: the CEO realizes that they can cheaply increase usage metrics with Windows updates alone, and saves costs by getting rid of every programmer working on bug fixes and features.

  24. Yesterday's "mistake" is tomorrow's bug fix by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    And next week's new "feature". This is how the new Microsoft rolls out unpopular policy and feature changes.

  25. Nothing new to see here folks, just move along... by confused+one · · Score: 1

    This happened (happens) all the time. Not new to Windows 10. Happened with Windows 8 updates. Windows 7 updates. Vista updates. Windows XP updates... I think you should be seeing the trend now. They make this mistake from time to time. Every time it happens, the same story comes out Then they either apologize or say it was done for security reasons. So, please, just ignore this non-story and move along.

  26. the eternal shining lure of not getting fired by epine · · Score: 1

    Nobody at Microsoft ever got fired for erring on the side of hemorrhagic fever.

    The mere contemplation of insufficient virulence, however, causes Microsoft employees to suffer a nervous, liquid fly incident.

    They can't help it. It's simply in their DNA.

    (For all the budding screen-writers out there, that clip is an expo-dump done right.)

  27. Not the first time... by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    I've already had a Win10 automatic update reset all my file associations to the Microsoft apps before. How does this keep happening?

    1. Re: Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On purpose. That's how it keeps happening.

    2. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is a feature. You are not allowed to use what you want just what they want you too. The slashdot crowd will reset everything, the normal user won't.

      How about having to change the computer name to get network shares and printers to work. I have 15 machines i have to do that to after every major update.

    3. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop turning off services like you're a professional or imposing stupid Group Policy configurations and learn how to manage your systems. while you're at it learn to configure your network.

  28. update services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    usually after installing windows i go to services management tool and disable the update services. it is the only way to prevent win 10 to update itself. and ofc i use a linux router between windows and the RealWolrd.

  29. My computer is fine.... by peterofoz · · Score: 1

    Thank for the update. I just checked and my Ubuntu system does not seem to be affected by this.

    1. Re:My computer is fine.... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      No Ubuntu just loses everything and boots up to a text prompt. At least, that's what updates always did to me when *I* was using Ubuntu. I'd rather fix a few file associations than figure out how to get back to the graphic desktop.

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  30. One more step closer to full linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only have two machines at home I run Windows on. One is my mothers and one is my desktop. The gaming laptop I had I wiped and put Linux Mint 17.3 on it after setting the bios from that new UFIE garbage to legacy mode. Linux went right on, picked up the Nvidia card, and Steam dropped on with over half my games Linux ports running all nice and snug. I just have to get tired of a game or two that doesn't have Linux ports and my desktop is going next at this rate.

  31. Article is inaccurate by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows 10 upgrade only resets the defaults if you go with the "recommended settings" option. If you select "customize" then it prompts you whether to update your default programs or keep the existing.

    If you take Microsoft's "recommended settings"; is it any surprise that they set you up on Edge for your browser, the new windows 10 photo viewer, etc, and a few other application defaults?

    It's nuts. There is a REAL problem with Microsofts telemetry situation; but too many of you get side tracked by every little irrelevant detail; and then run around like chicken little foaming at the mouth; and it takes all your credibility away.

    - "Oh no! Windows 10 has waaay too much telemetry ... "

    o "Oh, that sounds a little disturbing, tell me more?"

    - "Oh no! Windows 10 sets your default browser to edge if you select 'recommend settings'.
    - "Oh no! Windows 10 tries to connect to the internet so that it can update the icon that says whether or not you are connected to the internet!"
    - "Oh no! Windows 10 connects to the internet a thousand times in the first 24 hours"

    o "er...I see you left Windows update service turned on!"

    - "OMG Micro$$$oft evil! Bing sounds stupid. They made it easier to get to device manager and control panels... by changing somehting. EVIL!!"

    o "Yeah, I've forgotten why I was listening to you."

    1. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ur point is the telemetry being too much or? Coz if its that - well it has been discussed ALOT. Solved.

    2. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realise it's an update *ON* Windows 10, not an upgrade to Windows 10.
      If you read the last sentence even in the summary it's pretty clear:

      Microsoft may have swooped down and changed you over to Microsoft Party apps, all in the course of last week's forced cumulative update KB3135173

      Sounds a bit worse now, doesn't it?

    3. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telemetry is like this new made up word to describe something vaguely bad that you don't even know what it is.

      "Your computer is broadcasting an IP address right now!"

      You are all retards.

    4. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nuts. There is a REAL problem with Microsofts telemetry situation; but too many of you get side tracked by every little irrelevant detail; and then run around like chicken little foaming at the mouth; and it takes all your credibility away.

      you would have a little more credibility if you would deign to tell us what the real problems are, instead of going on and on and on about your chicken little shit.

    5. Re:Article is inaccurate by vux984 · · Score: 1

      you would have a little more credibility if you would deign to tell us what the real problems are

      Microsoft Telemetry is the collection of usage statistics and usage information from a Windows user. What programs are you running. What features of them are you using and how often (if the application can report that; e.g. microsoft apps). How long are you using them. What programs you have installed. What you search for in the search bar. How long you look at the start menu.

      This is generally fairly innocuous, but its still none of their business if I don't want to send it to them and its downright offensive that it can't easily be turned off.

      Microsofts's telemetry goes further though, since the EULA suggests they capture keystrokes; etc. This is potentially a serious breach of security and privacy. And while presumably this is for improving cortana and so on, the problem remains:

      a) they don't easily let you opt out
      b) they don't properly disclose exactly what is collected nor from where with any precision.
      c) we ultimately do not know what has been collected on us, nor who has access to it.

      Finally, the issue is with Telemetry not Windows 10. The telemetry exists in Windows 7 and 8 now too; so not upgrading to protest it is an exercise in futility.

    6. Re:Article is inaccurate by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Sounds a bit worse now, doesn't it?

      Not necessarily. Its more like a service pack. I've done a couple of those big major updates that update the Windows build number, and they take you through the same "installation" wizard after install as the original upgrade.

      "Hi."

      "Welcome to Windows"

      etc...

      You can argue (legitimately) that it's a bit obnoxious; and I won't disagree. But its still not 'forced'. Recall the Java and Adobe updaters the default to installing toolbars on you; you can opt out, but its obnoxious that you have to opt out each time. This is more like that.

    7. Re:Article is inaccurate by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Telemetry is a bit more than that. It's what you open, when you open it, how long you had it opened, and it may even contain information about what features were used and things like that - it can get a bit refined. I don't have a problem opting to share that data. I clearly make that choice. I want them to know when my computer crashes and why.

      What I don't like is that it would appear that "off" does not actually mean "off" in all but the Enterprise version. I find that an affront. Off means off. I don't know if it really says off but I'm told it does. If it turns out that it does not, in fact, say off then I've slightly less concern. I don't actually use Windows on my computers so it doesn't impact me but I really would hate if they were lying to me. Off means off. I expect the user to do due diligence but only so much. You should be able to trust that off means off. If you can't trust that, what can you trust?

      Me? Oh, I'll be fine. It doesn't phase me one bit. I send crash data and telemetry data on my Linux boxes. However, if I turn those settings off - I can check with Wireshark or run it through a pfSense box and see that it's not doing it behind my back. And I probably will check once in a while. It doesn't take long to filter a good dump and get meaningful data from it. I'd not even care if they said, "Nah bro, you can't turn that shit off all the way. That's not an option unless you buy a much more expensive version. Oh, and fuck you." That wouldn't bug me nearly as much. At least they're being honest. Right now they're saying that but they're lying about it. Off means off.

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    8. Re:Article is inaccurate by slashedteddy · · Score: 1

      >The telemetry exists in Windows 7 and 8 now too; so not upgrading to protest it is an exercise in futility.

      How much is left of it on W7 when none of their spyware updates has been installed?
      Unless they're dishonest with the update descriptions..which may very well be the case considering how MS has behaved in the past year.

    9. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft Telemetry is the collection of usage statistics and usage information from a Windows user. What programs are you running. What features of them are you using and how often (if the application can report that; e.g. microsoft apps). How long are you using them. What programs you have installed. What you search for in the search bar. How long you look at the start menu.

      This is generally fairly innocuous, but its still none of their business if I don't want to send it to them and its downright offensive that it can't easily be turned off.

      if we were to assume that this data is never misused, it seems like an enormous amount of marketing analytics. ...perhaps enough to offset the cost of windows 10?

      anyways, it looks like there are guides on the internet showing how to disable telemetry, as well as automatic updates.

    10. Re:Article is inaccurate by vux984 · · Score: 1

      How much is left of it on W7 when none of their spyware updates has been installed?

      I am sure if you are sufficiently diligent; you're ok.

      But its a pain to vet every single update. I prefer to just install it, and then block it; its less labor intensive.

      Unless they're dishonest with the update descriptions.

      You mean like: "This update resolves issues with Windows. Recommended." They don't even have to lie if that's all they write.

    11. Re:Article is inaccurate by vux984 · · Score: 1

      if we were to assume that this data is never misused, it seems like an enormous amount of marketing analytics. ...perhaps enough to offset the cost of windows 10?

      http://www.amazon.com/Microsof...

      Home is 119
      Pro is 199

      About the same as 7 and 8. You can get an OEM copy a bit cheaper.

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

      About the same as 7 and 8.

      Windows 10 isn't free.

      They ARE offering (or aggressively pushing) a limited time free upgrade to existing licensed users of 7 and 8 get adoption rates up on the theories that they'll make some money back on the in-app advertising on the app store stuff, and the (mostly correct) assumption that almost nobody pays to upgrade windows anyway, so giving away the upgrade REALLY doesn't cost them much.

      But if you bought a new PC with Windows 10 on it, that copy was paid for.

      Further, "telemetry" isn't *supposed* to be used for marketing. It's "supposed" to be used for product improvement. Using it for marketing IS misusing it as far as I'd be concerned.

    12. Re:Article is inaccurate by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      What bothers me is that "telemetry" is now becoming a bad word thanks to MS. Telemetry is a feature that's extremely useful for developers, and in a roundabout way, can even benefit the user with improved software as well. It must obviously be designed to send completely anonymous data and to avoid sending any potentially sensitive user data (otherwise it's just spyware), and it should contain an option to turn this off completely for those not comfortable with those services. Telemetry services typically gathers information about the way people actually use the software out in the real world, so the developers have a good feel for what the most popular and least popular features are, how those features are used, if and where the software is crashing (sending crash dumps), and providing other useful feedback. For instance, in Visual Studio, you can even send feedback reports yourself with optionally attached screenshots (even with a built-in cropping tool) and attached files for those reports. This sort of thing helps developers to make informed decisions when deciding which features to enhance, or which ones aren't worth focusing on.

      Microsoft screwed up by pushing mandatory telemetry library updates to Windows 7 and 8 at a time when people are very sensitive about privacy issues in Windows, and didn't bother communicating what those changes were for and their privacy implications. My understanding is that these are simply backported updates to telemetry libraries / services, and this enables individual applications to use those telemetry services if they choose across the various Windows platform. The OS itself also uses these services (note that this isn't new by any means). In most cases I can think of, applications allow you to opt-out of sending this sort of telemetry data (on a per-application basis). Why they don't allow users to globally opt out of telemetry is beyond me, because most people will never bother doing this anyhow. Hell, their own TELEMETRY DATA should tell them how many people don't bother changing default settings!

      Honestly, I'm not going to tell anyone that their fears are overblown. If someone doesn't trust Microsoft not to surreptitiously spy on them, then they obviously shouldn't use Windows if they can avoid it. I feel Microsoft has done more harm than good in pushing Windows 10 so aggressively, which is a real shame. Once you turn off all the cloud-based crap, Windows 10 has actually been a pretty decent OS so far.

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    13. Re:Article is inaccurate by Raenex · · Score: 1

      If you take Microsoft's "recommended settings"; is it any surprise that they set you up on Edge for your browser, the new windows 10 photo viewer, etc, and a few other application defaults?

      For an upgrade? Yes, it's a surprise, at least under any standard of not being a corporate asshole. Under the standard of being a corporate asshole willing to push their way under any flimsy pretense, then no, it isn't surprising.

    14. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is that most people would expect "recommended settings" to apply only to new settings, and a reset of all settings to be named "reset to factory settings".

    15. Re:Article is inaccurate by slashedteddy · · Score: 1

      No doubt it is a pain to monitor the updates, but after they got inspired by Ask
      (and other not so innocent toolbars) the alternative seem to be worse. ..and this is the behavior of a company we're supposed to trust.

      Well, yes. However, the KB webpage info for W7 (still) tend to have a bit more detail than that.

    16. Re:Article is inaccurate by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      There is no "OFF" setting for telemetry.

      It's a scale from 0-4, with an explanation that non-Enterprise editions cannot be set to 0 (and will treat a setting of 0 as 1 if that does happen).

      In the policy console, it spends a few sentences describing what each level does.

      If someone can't understand that Home/Professional cannot be set to 0, and levels 1-4 send some data to Microsoft... well, that's his own problem.

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    17. Re:Article is inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's a little like the fine print on the doorbell and beer mugs at the frat house - "all here can use you and your guests however we want if you haven't opted out"?

      Smiling at a computer running Windows isn't consent.

      Why doesn't the TPP TIPP or whatever banish opt-out practices in favor of opt in? Insist on it.

  32. Adobe Reader by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    Are you sure it hasn't just opened the new file as a second tab and switched to it, or something along those lines? FWIW, I've never seen the behaviour you described with Adobe Reader. In fact, I don't really get the Adobe bashing on this one, because Reader has consistently been better than all the half-baked in-browser alternatives that keep popping up, which apparently struggle with such complex viewing operations as showing two pages side by side or rotating a landscape figure page in an otherwise portrait document so you can read it. Reader isn't perfect, but it's still way better than any of the in-browser viewers I've seen, and has significant advantages over some of the free-standing alternatives like Sumatra too.

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    1. Re:Adobe Reader by war4peace · · Score: 1

      FoxIT PDF reader beats Adobe reader hands down in all categories.
      Smaller memory footprint, opens files faster, has better GUI (the last thing being very subjective, since I adore Microsoft Office's Ribbon).

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    2. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I used FoxIT for a while, but found it buggy and occasionally vulnerable to even worse security problems than Adobe Reader. Has it improved recently?

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    3. Re:Adobe Reader by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      I'm using SumatraPDF. It's tiny, fast, and sure it lacks a lot of Acrobat features but that actually makes it safer as many of vectors of attack are simply missing. I still have Acrobat as non-default PDF reader for that 1% cases where a full feature set might be needed.

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    4. Re:Adobe Reader by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1, Informative

      FOXIT is now malware It has been bought out by a malware company. After uninstalling I would re-image your system as it installs some backdoors and other evil stuff.\

      This and of course we all know uTorrent installs bitcoin miners too since it was bought out too

    5. Re:Adobe Reader by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

      I like the free version of PDF-Xchange viewer. I found it outperforms Adobe and FOXit in performance, and included annotation features.

      I also get annoyed when Chrome and Firefox keep showing PDFs in their shitty built in viewers.

    6. Re:Adobe Reader by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Foxit Reader is also available for Linux. It's fairly light and stable. I don't do much more than read PDFs or sometimes save files as a PDF.

      Evince is also a suitable reader. Oddly, it's named "Document Reader" on my distro. No, I don't actually know why.

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    7. Re:Adobe Reader by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Same.

      On Linux I use Atril (Mate's fork of Evince). I used to be a big fan of Okular but it chokes on files with lots of images (such as film festival brochures).

    8. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Too bad, I'd heard something about that. It's never been on any system I currently use anyway, but thanks for the warning.

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    9. Re:Adobe Reader by Nunya666 · · Score: 0

      Citation, please.

      Being the victim of malware is far from being malware.

    10. Re:Adobe Reader by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about Adobe Reader. I'm talking about the 'Reader' app which comes w/ Windows 10 and is capable of opening pdf files. This one is from Microsoft, not Adobe, and it seems incapable of doing anything beyond 1 file. I've tried things like Control-Tab and Alt-Tab to see if I could get a hold of the earlier file, but couldn't. And since that was a file that was being edited, it was inconvenient to have to open it again and re-enter the form data I was working on.

      I too refuse to use a browser as my reader, so had changed from Edge to Reader, but after this behavior, I changed the default app for that to Foxit. Will see if it resets my preferences.

    11. Re: Adobe Reader by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      http://www.bleepingcomputer.co...

      Conduit is real nasty. Only a reimage can uninstall it

    12. Re: Adobe Reader by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      Gotcha. Now I know to ignore anything posted by "Billy Gates".

      If you had read your own link, you would see that Foxit merely installs a toolbar. Anyone who posts on /., yet doesn't have the sense to Custom install every app so they can unselect toolbars is a techie wannabe.

      A toolbar is not malware. Some users actually like them. CNet has reviewed the Conduit toolbar: http://www.cnet.com/news/go-to...!

    13. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. Given the potential for confusion, I'm a little surprised that Adobe haven't objected to Microsoft co-opting the name of Adobe's well known PDF display software, particularly if the Microsoft version has such serious problems, but so it goes.

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    14. Re:Adobe Reader by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I use STDU Viewer. It displays most e-doc formats (including PDF), does a good job of it, and isn't a piece of monster bloatware like Adobe or Foxit.

    15. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Adobes own fault, for replacing their perfectly good "Acrobat Reader" name with the generic "Reader".

    16. Re:Adobe Reader by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I highly recommend Sumatra PDF as an alternative to Foxit, and qBittorrent as an alternative to uTorrent.

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    17. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to use Sumatra PDF, but it takes forever to open some documents, if it doesn't just hang. It's a piece of shit and the author handwaves bug reports filed by many people on this very issue.

      It's better just to use your browser to view PDFs. If you really want a separate software installation just to view PDF files, FBReader is the best and not entirely useless as it supports a number of other formats too (including epub) and it's cross platform, unlike Sumatra PDF which is Windows only.

    18. Re:Adobe Reader by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I also get annoyed when Chrome and Firefox keep showing PDFs in their shitty built in viewers.

      it's a real PITA! (but help users, when there's no pdf reader installed [like in public terminal, like in airports, and so on])

    19. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cute PDF has never let me down.
      Installs in seconds, always works, no conflicts.

    20. Re:Adobe Reader by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I recommend Evince 2.32 as the pdf reader (perhaps it loads .ps at least) and tranmission-qt or Deluge, although I don't know about qBittorent.

    21. Re: Adobe Reader by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Actually I switched back to Adobe since a client required an esignature which only adobe provides. Since 2012 reader included a sandbox. Just make sure you disable opening internet links and you are fairly secure if you don't click on everything. Reader was crap 5 years ago but it has xss JavaScript cross domain protection now too. Chrome has its own PDF reader so that is mute for security

    22. Re:Adobe Reader by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend Sumatra PDF as an alternative to Foxit, and qBittorrent as an alternative to uTorrent.

      I agree. And Sumatra PDF is also the best way to silently print PDFs from a command-line invocation.

    23. Re:Adobe Reader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a torrent client I prefer Halite.

  33. It's time to demand and get software freedom. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    First off, the proper term is GNU/Linux; you're not just being advised to run only the Linux kernel. If the people advising you know what they're talking about, they should be advising you to run a completely free OS -- a free kernel (such as GNU Linux-libre) and free software on top of that. The more free software you can get on your system, the more you can put yourself in control of your computing. And this terminology difference is also apropos because this issue comes down to the very issue being raised in that term "GNU/Linux", namely software freedom -- the developers of the GNU system want to share in the credit so as to remind people to demand software freedom.

    A class-action suit won't help Microsoft Windows users if those users accepted terms to allow the proprietor to do this to your computers.

    But the heart of the issue remains: it's your computer, you should be allowed to run the software you want with it, and make sure that that software does only what you want. So what you want is software freedom. Not user subjugation to someone else's authority unvetted by you on a level that's as detailed or as abstract as you wish. You can't have that kind of control with nonfree, user subjugating, proprietary software no matter who the proprietor is. No amount of believing otherwise, adding more nonfree software, or changing configuration parameters on nonfree software (such as setting registry values this way or that way) will give you software freedom.

    1. Re:It's time to demand and get software freedom. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off, the proper term is GNU/Linux; you're not just being advised to run only the Linux kernel.

      You are using gnu.org as a reference for calling Linux GNU/Linux. How about using a neutral source?

      The proper term is to use the name the particular distribution. Very few only runs GNU/Linux so it is just as wrong as just calling it Linux.
      If you run Debian you call it Debian, if you run Ubuntu you call it Ubuntu.
      If you mean a Linux based system you say Linux based. You don't say Busybox/Linux. (But for some damn reason there always shows up this dude that insists that you should say GNU/Linux when you call a Busybox/Linux for just Linux.)

  34. Not the first time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear, every week I have to redo all my default apps on Win10. They just get reset all the time and is quite annoying by now.

    1. Re:Not the first time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you guys have a lotsa of free time to fuck that much with some bastard OS :)

  35. MS has something decent in Windows 10 by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    But they sure are fucking up every inch of the roll out making it much more unattractive than it should be. Someone should remind them that patience is a virtue.

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  36. don't apple fanbois by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    live in a closed environment?

  37. The house that Gates built was nothing like this by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's really not fair. This is nothing like the house that Gates built. Microsoft of the 1990s and early 2000s went to extraordinary lengths to ensure stability and backward compatibility on the Windows platform, far beyond what most in the industry have ever done before or since. They did start to shift their stance on that a few years ago, with for example less effort to support other people's software and devices/drivers that relied on undocumented features, but that should never really have been their responsibility in the first place so personally I don't hold that against them.

    However, this "update any time we feel like it and break whatever" attitude is relatively recent and seems to be squarely on Nadella and his senior management team, who can't get the boot fast enough as far as I'm concerned. Microsoft of 2016 is actively customer-hostile in numerous ways, and as both a private individual and a business person I want the old MS back so I can get on with using computers to help me do interesting and useful things instead of fighting with them.

    I was in a meeting just this past week with a bunch of other local consultants and freelancers, and at lunch time this subject happened to come up because someone had been looking for a new PC and checking out the latest status with Windows 10. It turned out that nearly half the people in the room -- and these were all clued-up people when it comes to IT, who would not make decisions about infrastructure or security policy lightly -- no longer install any Windows updates on their Win7/8 machines by default now, even security updates unless a specific threat was identified. Literally no-one there was installing more than security updates as standard policy any more. Also literally no-one was using Windows 10, nor had worked with any customer or client who was using Windows 10 outside of evaluation/lab settings yet. The general sentiment seemed to be that a lot of places are deferring major purchasing decisions until at least the dust has settled, or in a few cases actively switching to alternatives (almost invariably Linux on the server side and Apple for laptops).

    For an organisation that famously had "Developers, developers, developers!" as its battle cry under previous management, that is a potentially catastrophic shift in attitude from a group that would almost certainly have favoured a Microsoft platform for a wide range of projects just a few years ago.

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  38. It'd be nice if they made sure edge worked first by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    Since beyond all the other problems people have had with it I've hit a bug where Edge doesn't work at all. (I know I know, I should consider it an improvement.)

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  39. You know what? Fuck Microsoft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, if I wanted this kind of bullshit, I'd just get a Mac. At least with Linux I don't have to deal with this automatic-update-that-b0rks-your-system bullshit.

  40. Cumulation of these "features" by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

    One wonders if Microsoft feels the agreements/penalties they were boinked with by the authorities are no longer anything to be concerned about.

    That or Windows is now designed and built by chimps (and that's being uncharitable to those of the chimp persuasion).

    1. Re:Cumulation of these "features" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My personal opinion is that this is the exact opposite. They are EXTREMELY concerned with the penalties. As such, they are trying to get their OS as deeply dug-in as possible when the penalties come around this time, so it's that much harder to extricate.

  41. thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you once again Microsoft,

    Sincerely,
    Tim Cook

  42. My own experience with murdering this shit. by DoraLives · · Score: 1

    Below, my own text file of procedures which I use to denature both upgraded and new installations of Win10 on the machines I deal with. It's pretty drastic, but it's been working well, and the miserable goddamned Apps seem to not come back, or at least not all at once, which allows me to periodically check on: C:\Windows\SystemApps\, C:\Users\MainUser\AppData\Local\Packages, C:\Program Files\WindowsApps, C:\Users\All Users\Package Cache for any .cabs or whatever that may have insinuated itself back into the system and kill them in their sleep, too.

    What follows is my own deal, and I'm not hear to discuss the minutia of what program I should use Ninite for or any of the rest of that OCD bullshit. Use whatever the hell you want to. You're an adult. I am too. Go away and leave me alone with that kind of crap, ok?

    What follows is also a bit short-hand-y and since this is Slashdot, I presume you can figure it out, and I'm not here to hold you by the hand, either. See above re: You're an adult.

    Ok, on with the show.

    Well, maybe not. Slashdot tells me I have too few characters per line. Lovely. Just fucking lovely. Ok I shall reformat. Any groups of multiple dashes can be presumed to be double line breaks, ok?

    Stardock Start10 ---------- Revo existing AV program ----------Reset folder view options including "date created" ---------- Taskbar properties ---------- Classic Personalize ---------- Screensaver & power settings ---------- Copy Win10 folder to desktop ---------- Defender to do not send ---------- Desktop icons include & view small icons ----------Computer, properties, advanced settings, best performance (Leave drop shadows, smooth screen fonts, view thumbnails ---------- systeminfo verify 10586 ---------- Windows Update ---------- DWS_Lite as administrator, enable professional mode - delete one drive - delete all metro apps - smash everything except defender (mind the checkbox)

    Reboot

    bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy (via superCMD)

    psexec w10privacy.exe (via superCMD inside Win10 directory)(be patient, it'll come)

    Reboot

    ToggleTweaker.bat

    Reboot

    Install Unlocker

    C:\Windows\SystemApps\Cortana\SearchUI.exe kill with Unlocker

    Reboot

    OOShutUpWindows10 as administrator

    Verify Defender still alive, if not:
    \\\
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE_\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Defender
    DWORD (32bit) DisableAntiSpyware needs to be set with a Value of 0
    DWORD (32bit) DisableAntiVirus needs to be set with a Value of 0
    \\\
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE_\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender
    DWORD (32bit) DisableAntiSpyware needs to be set with a Value of 0

    C:\Windows\SystemApps\ Unlocker killkillkill one at a time, starting with Cortana, which takes the longest

    Reboot

    Settings, throw all switches to privacy settings and check to see which Apps may have survived while you're doing it

    Initiate Ninite Chrome, Firefox, 7zip, TeamViewer, CDburnerXP, VLC, All Runtimes, Irfan, qBittorrent, Google Earth

    Revo full decrappification - TaskManager killings if machine sluggish

    Manual Directory Pass for shitty programs leftovers search and destroy: Unlocker C:\Users\MainUser\AppData\Local\Packages for special destructive attention to apps, Unlocker C:\Program Files\WindowsApps (sometimes takes forever), Unlocker C:\Users\All Users\Package Cache

    Finish/adjust/trim TT&V all ninite installations

    Clean Start Menu

    Sysinternals autoruns.exe killkillkill right-click, go to image, Unlocker, destroy: C:\Program Files (x86 & x64)\Microsoft Office\Office15\GROOVEEX.DLL all WinMail shit

    Reboot

    File associations TT&V full WhiteDoom pass for tweaks & trim

    Java Suppress Sponsor Offers

    Network/Printers

    Printers/Peripherals

    Go surfing to try to wash all the slime off of you.

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    1. Re:My own experience with murdering this shit. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I've not done it in a long, long time. That looks not too dissimilar from my memory. You're missing browser and email configurations. I kept a lot of systems without resident anti-malware. I had (probably still have) a neat little script to set services and you could even select a profile. I'd then lock down as a non-admin after creating an admin account and logging into it once (as well as make a few additional changes).

      Man, I switch distros and I just don't format my /home directory. Hell, I can get a Live USB up and running completely in about 10 minutes and that includes customizing the software as I prefer browser and do a lot over VNC. I can do less tweaking and just do that and I'm almost good to go, right out of the box. If I don't have a distro that suits, I can build an openSUSE online and have a live distro that has whatever I want on it. I can make my own and just use persistent data if I want.

      I stop and think back to having to do all of that shit and it just strikes me as insane. That's absolute crazy talk - and even more insane if you have to do it often enough to keep a checklist. (If you're an admin, you should really have images, regardless of the OS - except maybe Apple. I dunno how they do that, probably pretty easy. Google knows and I'm sure they've got that feature somewhere.)

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  43. Last time i booted windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last time i booted windows 10 it let my partitions as they were *knocks wood* even while it updated.

    Time before too.

    Time before. it did not. It updated and let itself and rest of my system in an unbootable state. To my frustion. To add more to that it also removed any non-NTFS partition. Mind: this was a 3-month old windows 10 installation, legal key bla bla upgraded from 7 to 10, and seemed work fine.

    Before i was keen to keep my windows boot at least updated, in case i needed it.

    Nowadays i am more worried booting it at all. I seems like a gamble, and a 'did i backup any important' reality check (no i didn't). I avoid it, as a plague, as evil bits, lurking around on my hard drive waiting to catch me into another catastrophe.

    Don't boot. Don't use. Don't play WoW.

  44. get.debian.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm happy to report my computer isn't affected by this bug!

  45. I guess investors like this crap by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    MSFT stock keeps going up in the face of all these bugs and privacy violations.

  46. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by Kremmy · · Score: 2

    Those guys are behind the curve and will soon be scrambling to make sure everything is up to date.
    It's the same situation we had with every major revision of Windows in the past. Hordes of people insisting on keeping their outdated, but working and mission critical, systems up and running. Hordes of people slowly finding that they're having to pass on using the most up to date tools for their jobs because they decided to stick with end of life platforms. Hordes of people getting increasingly frustrated as their old infrastructure begins to fail and they're stubbornly insisting they keep on the old and 'working' while it falls apart.
    I understand. I didn't want to let go of Windows 2000, what benefit did Windows XP give me beyond a pretty face? But you know, I was wrong then, and they're wrong now. Let's hope they wise up and start taking the steps to migrate successfully instead of waiting until the infrastructure is 15 years old and crumbling at the slightest touch. Those XP guys who come into my repair shop are a sorry bunch, y'know. But the Vista guys are too, and recently the 7 guys are looking pretty down themselves. It will be far too soon that 8 is on the chopping block, but we'll have the same problems with the same people who don't want to ride the curve and prefer to prop up failing systems with bubblegum and toothpicks.
    It's just the same old story. It's not Nadella's Microsoft, it's start working on your migration plans and get ready because this happens every five years and it's not going to stop. It comes with the territory. Keep your tools maintained and replaced them as needed, don't hold onto that rusty hatchet that's going to crumble when it hits the wood, that you've already duct taped together. Be better than that at what you're doing.

  47. Not good quality by GrahamCox · · Score: 0

    I have come to a conclusion. Windows is not a good quality operating system.

  48. Using Linux since January... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...wish I had made the switch a lot sooner. F#&k you and your 'telemetry'.

  49. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

    The thing is, the earliest these guys are really going to be in trouble is Win7 EOL, and that's not for almost 4 more years. Win8 is even later.

    Until that time, Microsoft have committed to supporting these platforms, which means if there really are essential security fixes then they ought to be provided. Even if they aren't, most of the customers and clients these guys work with have sensible defence in depth arrangements and don't rely primarily on OS updates for security anyway.

    As for compatibility, Win7 is still the most popular OS on the planet and Win10 adoption in business seems almost non-existent so far. No-one in that group was even slightly concerned about any software or hardware they rely on stopping working in the near future. If anything, there was more concern about whether essential software and hardware might stop working in the future with Win10 than whether it would continue to be supported on Win7 or Win8.

    Obviously everyone was also wondering how long current platforms would really remain viable for, particularly for Win7 machines, but the consensus was that Microsoft would almost certainly have made significant changes and could well be under new management by the time any real pressure was mounting. No-one expected OS-as-a-service to become standard practice in business environments, whatever Microsoft might like to happen. A few did think it might become established with home users unless a significant competitor appears, and there were some comparisons made with Apple's mobile devices and the iOS upgrade treadmill as a possible indicator of how much consumer markets will tolerate things changing/breaking in ways they don't like.

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  50. Only morons run Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lucky everyone is using non windows on their hand held computers.
    This is the raspy breath of a long gone OS.
    And this is why you cant make people have a windows phone it is way more important that the kids PC.

  51. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't want to let go of Windows 2000, what benefit did Windows XP give me beyond a pretty face?

    Windows XP was actually a huge jump, considering that it brought NT to the masses and was horribly broken until at least service pack 1.

    Hordes of people slowly finding that they're having to pass on using the most up to date tools for their jobs because they decided to stick with end of life platforms.

    Very few tools have a reason to depend on the newest Windows version and many reasons to support at least one older major version. Even now the market for Windows 10 only software is only 34 % ( according to steam ) or 15 % ( according to various web statistics ) of the total Windows market and requiring it only because it is the new and shiny version will really impact the profit for the next few years.

    Hordes of people getting increasingly frustrated as their old infrastructure begins to fail and they're stubbornly insisting they keep on the old and 'working' while it falls apart.

    I work with EOL platforms, a lack of internet connectivity of the installations means no security issues for me. The amount of work I avoid by not immediately jumping on the current fad is huge, I successfully avoided ME, Vista, 8 and with some luck there will be a sane alternative to Windows 10 before I have to upgrade.

  52. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    In fairness, usually it's management that won't pay for the software licenses to upgrade, or won't prioritize and pay for the development time to use new package versions, or won't pay for new hardware until the old stuff is at death's door. Mostly, the IT and Ops people know how important it is to stay on top of the curve. It's obstructionist MBA types who cause the problems.

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  53. Well you can always dump Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These days I really don't understand all the whine about Windows 10? You could have used Windows 7 until 2020? You could buy a Mac, a Chromebook, install Linux, just so many options to complain about Windows 10. I have no doubt Microsoft is counting on certain paybacks for providing Windows 10 free as a upgrade.
    I have no doubt that Windows 10 will always be free upgrade. Because who in their right mind would buy it? Me, I'm done with Windows except for a little gaming.
    People complain about Ballmer but frankly even Ballmer would not have done this crap. The PC user has been sold out with Windows 8 and continues with Windows 10. So beit, and if you don't like it. At least you can move on.

  54. On my comp it says it's resetting them but doesn't by Torodung · · Score: 2

    Since that update (KB3135173), I keep getting told that PDF is reset to Edge, JPG is reset to Photos, and MP3 is reset to Groove Music, but nothing actually happens to my file preferences. Windows 10 just keeps announcing that it made the changes, on a daily, or slightly less often, basis. It doesn't seem to be associated with any task in the Task Scheduler, either. I checked the logs at the time of the message. It just keeps telling me that "an app caused a problem" so it's resetting my preferences in those three file types. All three announcements come at the same time.

    But nothing actually happens other than the announcement.

    I'm running in a Limited User Account. Could that have anything to do with it? Why wouldn't the OS be able to make the changes? I'm glad it can't seem to do what it's threatening to do, but it's weird.

    I feel just like a beta tester. Windows 10 is flaky.

  55. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    I work with municipal utility companies and so far nobody I know of has upgraded to Windows 10. Stability and security are their major concerns. One IT guy told me that he had enough headaches to deal with already and didn't need another one. Can't say that I blame him.

  56. Beta product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will Windows 10 ever get out of beta?

    Probably not since they've proven that they can force people onto a half-assed UI and bug-filled OS without having to be professional about it.

  57. Britney Spears? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Is that you working for MS? :P

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  58. 7 links: Windows spyware 2: Microsoft incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You said, 'You obviously have no idea what the word "spyware" means.'

    You obviously haven't been reading the many, many, many stories. Here are links to just 7 of the stories about insecurity and links to 2 stories about bad management:

    Windows 8: NSA Backdoor Exploit in Windows 8 Uncovered (Aug. 22, 2013)

    Windows: NSA "backdoor" mandates lead to a computer-security FREAK show Quote: "Microsoft Windows OS vulnerable to hackers, thanks to National Security Agency requirements." (March 6, 2015)

    Windows: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 (June 7, 2013)

    Windows 10, Microsoft hiding what it is doing: Microsoft has no plans to tell us what's in Windows patches. Each update is a black box, and it's going to stay that way. (Aug 21, 2015)

    Windows 10, Microsoft takes even more control: Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do -- here's how to opt out (July 31, 2015) But, of course, Microsoft can change the spyware to avoid blocking.

    Microsoft can't be trusted: How Can Any Company Ever Trust Microsoft Again? (June 17, 2013)

    Microsoft releases EXTREMELY buggy software: Microsoft Kills Many Critical Flaws, Some 0-Days, Un-Trusts One Wildcard Cert (December 9, 2015) It is likely that there are many bugs Microsoft hasn't yet found.

    Badly managed companies don't produce good products:

    Microsoft has extremely bad management: The January 16, 2013 issue of BusinessWeek magazine has a large photo of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (now replaced) with the headline calling him "Monkey Boy". See the BusinessWeek cover in this article: Steve Ballmer Is No Longer A Monkey Boy, Says Bloomberg BusinessWeek. The BusinessWeek cover says "No More" and "Mr.", but that doesn't take much away from the fact that the magazine called Ballmer Monkey Boy -- on its cover.

    Worst CEO in the United States: Quote from an article in Forbes Magazine about Steve Ballmer: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today."

    Another quote: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs." (May 12, 2012)

  59. Up until now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Microsoft did away with bugs by renaming them "features."

    Now it's on the opposite tack, and is calling features it deliberately put into the software, "bugs."

    Microsoft. What a giant, steaming bowl of rancid, fetid shit! I wonder how long before the last moron who has been using Microsoft's garbageware wakes up and decides to get a REAL operating system, or office suite, or better, usually free replacement for whatever other garbage unsecure, buggy, irritating shit Microsoft produces and calls "software," his computer came with.

    You can't spell, "FUCK MICROSOFT!" without fucking "Microsoft".

  60. Re:Not the goddamned point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're missing the point entirely.

    Intentionally.

  61. Accidentally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft accidentally my default programs. This IS bad.

  62. IrfanView and ACDSee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usenet called. It wants its multipart MIME encoded JPEGs back. (CompuServe would have called, but there was a mixup in the patent department.)

  63. Re:This is just more evidence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump because Bush wasn't retarded enough

  64. Microsoft says f*** you to it's "customers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 is an absolute disgrace. It sticks two fingers up at it's users, has no respect for them or their privacy. It's every bit as bad as having the Stasi come to live in your house.

    If you're using it you're a moron.

    Microsoft deserve to die as a result of this.

  65. Apple play that trick too by james_marsh · · Score: 1

    Every time some program forces Safari to load on Mac OS X (which is often big OS updates displaying a "tour" of new features) it pops up this requester on quitting that tries to get me to agree to make Safari the default web browser.

    Of course there's no "No thank you, and never ask me again" button and it's very easy to accidentally hit "OK" expecting it to be confirming you want to quit.

  66. Microsoft users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    needs to get fucked and thats the price you pay for being a idiot, now go back to your desk and do some work for the 0.0001 masters!

  67. Nelson-esque HAW HAW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reads article
    Smiles
    Boots into Mint on MSI GS70, all drivers/devices working perfectly
    Runs STEAM, various steam games, a few pieces of custom software, WoT, WoW[arships], flawlessly without WINE
    Uses open office when needed

    8.1 was ok. I got used to it. Had it on various touch screen systems. Went back to 7Pro on my GS70, just long enough to finish converting a few things. Going to delete my win7 install in the next few weeks, and be strictly Mint.

    1. Re:Nelson-esque HAW HAW by ledow · · Score: 1

      When did you download Mint? Hope it wasn't in the middle of their website compromise!

      However, that's just me being petty. Linux is fine as a desktop. Windows is fine as a desktop. The thing that ruins either is removing control from the user (e.g. forced Windows Updates on one platform, things like systemd / window manager "upgrades" on the other with no easy way back).

    2. Re:Nelson-esque HAW HAW by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      When did you download Mint? Hope it wasn't in the middle of their website compromise!

      However, that's just me being petty. Linux is fine as a desktop. Windows is fine as a desktop. The thing that ruins either is removing control from the user (e.g. forced Windows Updates on one platform, things like systemd / window manager "upgrades" on the other with no easy way back).

      Oh, yes, Systemd is the equivalent of forced updates, Yes ledow, thaou art petty in more ways than one. Tell me, what is the Linux equivalent of forcing Windows 10 OS onto an iMac running W7 in bootcamp that doesn't even have bootcamp software capable of running W10, and won't. (mid 2011 i5)

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    3. Re:Nelson-esque HAW HAW by ledow · · Score: 1

      Er...

      Exactly the example I used, where systems with working SysVInit style scripts were pushed onto systemd if they wanted to stay supported and - in some cases - broke (because an upgrade to systemd, certainly, is not always as perfect and painless as made out, especially if you're using a lot of custom init scripts). Which is basically upstart all over again.

      A google for "systemd broke" will turn up a lot of hits where people's computers stopped booting or not bringing up services even upgrading between versions or package upgrades, let alone trying to go from init scripts to systemd in one hit.

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

      Now the OS upgrade wasn't "forced" as much, but technically you didn't have to agree to the Windows 10 one either. It still required manual intervention to actually happen.

      I'm more concerned with tablets - Windows tablets with 16GB of storage are trying to download and update to Windows 10, which is just ludicrous as often you have NO way back on such devices.

      But, then, I've seen the same on cheap Android tablets that get updates that brick them too.

      Stop making out the MS are doing something that nobody else is here. Even the Macs you mentioned have stuffed people and I've witnessed OS X and iOS upgrades that then stick because the machine wasn't actually supported (iPad 2's, which became like stunned sloths, for instance).

      If you want to show difference, provide control to the user. You can still publish all the junk updates you want, but people then get a "No thanks" button and - unless you're fecking Apple - a "Don't remind me again" checkbox too.

  68. Defect removed by renaming it as a "feature" ... by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    ... and pointing out how it made the users' Windows experience more consistent. Yeah, that sounds about right.

  69. Hey now! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    When I reported this, teh shilss jumped on my like crocodiles on a wildebeest, denying such a thing.

    And this is no bug, it is completely intentional. Microsoift finds th e customer to be inconvenient, and always wrong.

    Have at me shills

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  70. Worse yet it fails to activate sometimes by p0larity · · Score: 1

    Resetting your default apps is annoying. Having your OS claim you need to activate it when your computer didn't come with a CD key is worse.

    Had to spend a while on tech support to get them to activate my wife's system as Windows 10 just decided to ignore the already activated Windows 8 when it auto-upgraded.

  71. Simple: Turn off all updating of EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No update service running in Windows?
    No getting updates on your phone apps?
    Never connect your game systems to the internet?
    Block all ads in all browsers?
    Block all update servers and app stores?

    You have NO PROBLEMS!!!!!!

    Your apps will work in 10 years just like they work today!
    Your PC will not slow down from updates!
    None of your device setup will have changed!

    Hey Sheeple, I've been doing this since the 1990's and we have NO PROBLEMS on any of our devices or systems.

    1. Re:Simple: Turn off all updating of EVERYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never connect your game systems to the internet?

      You have NO PROBLEMS!!!!!!

      You also have no multiplayer and patches which can be bad since consoles went the standard PC ship-broken-shit-fast-then-MAYBE-fix-later way 2 generations ago.

  72. BUG? by sentiblue · · Score: 1

    Look... I ain't a 3 year-old... and so is 100% of the rest of professionals....

    Resetting the default app associations is a deliberate thing, NOT A BUG. MS has done so many stupid things in the recent past, they haven't made up for much of it and is already doing more stupid things.

    I want Apple and other companies to step into the game and take over the market share from MS so that they will realize "messing with their customer is asking for trouble".

  73. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding? Or do you just not remember sayings like, "DOS isn't done 'til [Lotus] 1-2-3 won't run"?

    Then there was the time Microsoft changed the semantics of fprintf() away from ANSI-standard (which it had previously supported!), thereby breaking a host of competitors' products. A year or two later, they changed back, thereby breaking a host of competitors' products again. Good that Microsoft chose to once again follow ANSI standards; bad that they never bothered to tell competitors about these things. Then there was convincing Netscape to rely on certain Windows APIs for Netscape Navigator - and pulling the rug out from under their feet right around release time. I suspect "more mature" Slashdot readers can elaborate on these or other situations in which Microsoft did not work scrupulously to maintain backwards compatibility.

  74. Re:The house that Gates built was nothing like thi by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    I remember a lot of those things, because I was there.

    You seem to be cherry picking a few cases that support your position, while ignoring all the resources Microsoft did put into maintaining backward compatibility from one OS version to the next, even for applications that were using undocumented features they should not have been.

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  75. Re:Ooops, Solution: Uninstall and Block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uninstall every Windows Spyware component and replace all of their main executable files with locked folders with all update privileges removed even for Administrator.

    If any update then tries to re-install the blocked files the re-install will fail.

    Just locking the file is not enough.
    You need to go into the access privileges dialogs and remove ALL update privileges even for Administrator.
    Once you do so the file is un-deletable and un-replacable.

    Block every network address used by the Windows 10 spyware using the Firewall and the Windows Hosts file.
    Also block the connections on your network router.
    Again, one method of blocking is not enough.

    Treat Windows 10 as if the OS itself is Malware.

  76. Re:On my comp it says it's resetting them but does by thejynxed · · Score: 1

    I've run into the same issue, and it has outright blocked my ability to assign InfranView as my default photo viewer - it completely removed it from the list of applications to choose from, and even uninstalling and reinstalling InfranView doesn't remedy the situation. I think I might have to manually assign filetype associations to bypass this idiocy.

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