Great point. People who bought their machines when the processors were at 65-nm won't need to replace them until about 2011. By then, according to Intel's own prediction, we would be in the sub 10-nm range.
This is from an article from mid 2008: full article
Intel debuted its 45nm process late last year and has been ramping its Penryn line of 45nm processors steadily throughout this year. The next die shrink milestone will be the 32nm process, set to kick off next year, followed by 14nm a few years after that and then sub-10nm, if all goes according to plan.
If people are going to stick with web browsing and multimedia entertainment for the rest of their lives, the processors in their present state can serve the purpose just fine. However if more and more people actually take computing seriously, the availability of multiple cores to do parallel computing on your own desktops would be a dream come true for most people involved in computationally intensive research disciplines. If I had the ability to use 8 cores at 2GHz, at all times, I'd have finished my analysis in less than a week. But with no such luxury (back in 2005) I had to queue my process on a shared cluster and wait until morning to see the results.
Raw CPU power with multiple cores isn't needed for everyday use, but there is a need for such processors in research circles.
A few months ago, the Chinese government issued an order that all the Internet Cafes in China have to run a government approved version of Linux on all their computers.
It was "Red Flag Linux". In fact Slashdot had covered that story some while ago. It must have yielded some results that were "favorable" to the government, and Russian authorities must've decided to implement the same in order to gain greater control over the actions of their citizens.
If your competitor has a better marketshare and also a better line of processors, it would be a suicide to not release a competitive product when the economy is staggering. Withholding the technology while waiting for the economy to improve can make the gap between them and Intel even wider.
This isn't about Linux on desktop. Its about combining Linux and proprietary 3rd party apps that include a clause about owning your left ventricle and such. These days you are more likely to find Linux on embedded devices than on desktops. When you are searching for a media player for your internet tablet, should you go for a 3rd party app like Canola or should you stick with Mplayer, those are the choices one faces when running Linux based devices.
A lot of progress has taken place in the the field of optics, electronics, cryogenics, material science and communications. Given the additional 1m on the reflector, it'd be safe to assume a far better performance than Hubble.
I think this thread is about 5 question for MW that he has already answered:)
Back to what you said: I think it was mostly the management and less of politics. The role of management is usually to dictate terms that they have absolutely no clue about. A marketing exec managing a SQL functionalities is gonna make the team go sour given enough time.
You are comparing apples and ummm...Vista, or more accurately Linux and Vista. The talk ins't about the 700MB download, its about how the apps included in that distro affect the performance of the system. Some affect the booting time, while some make the foreground apps run slower.
Can't say there's a chapter called "first" but I know of feature that lets you alert a moderator that removing such-and-such post would be good for those who want to read the more reasonable comments below.
Although most users use webmail, many still use POP and IMAP
Shouldn't the 'most' part be given more weightage? People who are wise enough to configure POP and IMAP accounts would certainly know that they can install Evolution through package manager or command line. It not only installs evolution, but by default all the evolution notifiers are loaded at startup. Devoting boot time to an application that only few people use is mighty waste.
What about games -- many users want at least basic entertainment
We are talking about making the distro as lite as possible. Putting the entire games suite takes up another big chunk. I never understood the reasoning behind the "games suite" to begin with. Wouldn't it be better if people chose their own games?
You could also install XFCE (as part of Xubuntu) instead and get lite/r Ubuntu automagically.
I tried that as well. There is a reason why XFCE didn't make it to machines that are capable of running KDE or Gnome. The apps that are omitted from XFCE based Unbuntu (aka Xubuntu) are sometimes quite essential for most people. Axing the OpenOffice.org install isn't exactly lite, since after installation of the essential apps, you end up with the same system resource utilization as Gnome or KDE.
There are several apps in the Gnome distro that are totally useless to many users, especially the newbies. Ubuntu could be far more "lite" if they took out Evolution, Ekiga, Gnome-games, tracker-search-tool, etc.
I'm really glad that the tracker-search-tool has been taken off the default apps list in the upcoming Jaunty Jackalope release. What would be really cool would be having some of the extras installed by default, like build-essential, restricted-extras, flashplugin, etc. Most people have to install them eventually and they agree to the flash/adobe/realplayer license when they install the third party apps. Why not add that in the agreements during installation and provide a fully functioning distro from the get go?
The clones would in all likelihood be a lot cheaper and therefor junkier than a Mac.
Not true. It depends on what configuration you use for the clone. If you go for a minimalistic Acer laptops, the overall performance would be far from optimal. But if you go for a better system with built-in graphic card and OLED screen and other peripherals, you can get far better specs than a MacPro for 3/4th the cost. Its up to you to decide what your hardware requirements are instead of having to choose between white/black/pro/mini.
You're just looking for an argument aren't you? USB drive + boot, usually reminds people of a computer that has an USB port and the ability to boot from USB. Find me a bowling ball polisher that can do these things and then we can continue the conversation.
You can give the robot ample AI, but make it a vegetarian. That way it'll hold the girl hostage until you send in some fresh broccoli instead of going munch, munch, munch on the damsel.
There is no such thing as "This side up" when you consider a robot that operates in either orientation. Considering there are 3 motors, it's safe to assume that it doesn't have a bilateral symmetry either.
What would be even more interesting would be if person A accepts EULA on a machine M1, and uses machine M2 to gather packet information from M1. Is a person bound by the EULA on any computer he/she uses but accepting it on a single machine?
The dilemma involved in balancing "security vs. freedoms". Its a very non-linear problem, and at this point it looks like freedoms are on the downward slope.
When your primary source of income is based on utilizing wind energy to generate electricity, it makes every sense to look into the wind patterns and predict those in the future.
The velocity of wind, the climate during those months, etc. is quite crucial in determining how many turbines would be required to maintain a constant supply/demand ratio.
I'm pretty sure that civil engineers and architects have to predict rain patterns when they are building dams or hydroelectric generation stations.
But does it tell you who she is with? Now if you were tracking your best friend AND your wife, you'd know why those things listed in your account statement never show up at your house.
...and I do love running the Windows 7 beta on my Eee.
Keep in mind that the Windows 7 Beta expires in August 2009. Unless you're using your Eeepc as an experimental machine, you'd want to keep the OS it was shipped out with.
Carrying a passport along with you on your way to committing a crime is a pretty dumb thing to do. Reiser is a pretty slick programmer, but he was quite a dumb criminal. Tracing a RFID trail to the crime scene would've alerted the detectives of an obvious set up. But I digress.
All my programs are for 32-bit Vista editions. The ones for 64-bit Vista ~might~ work for Win7, but I can't vouch for it since I've not used the 64-bit apps.
Any computer that is Vista ready is definitely Win7 ready. Most of the 32-bit programs and device drivers that are compatible with Vista are also compatible with Win7.
Of course, I am running the beta of Ultimate that was released by M$, who knows how the basic versions are gonna fare.
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Great point. People who bought their machines when the processors were at 65-nm won't need to replace them until about 2011. By then, according to Intel's own prediction, we would be in the sub 10-nm range.
This is from an article from mid 2008: full article
Intel debuted its 45nm process late last year and has been ramping its Penryn line of 45nm processors steadily throughout this year. The next die shrink milestone will be the 32nm process, set to kick off next year, followed by 14nm a few years after that and then sub-10nm, if all goes according to plan.
We need the same CPU with less power usage.
If people are going to stick with web browsing and multimedia entertainment for the rest of their lives, the processors in their present state can serve the purpose just fine. However if more and more people actually take computing seriously, the availability of multiple cores to do parallel computing on your own desktops would be a dream come true for most people involved in computationally intensive research disciplines. If I had the ability to use 8 cores at 2GHz, at all times, I'd have finished my analysis in less than a week. But with no such luxury (back in 2005) I had to queue my process on a shared cluster and wait until morning to see the results.
Raw CPU power with multiple cores isn't needed for everyday use, but there is a need for such processors in research circles.
A few months ago, the Chinese government issued an order that all the Internet Cafes in China have to run a government approved version of Linux on all their computers.
Internet Cafes switching to Chinese OS
It was "Red Flag Linux". In fact Slashdot had covered that story some while ago. It must have yielded some results that were "favorable" to the government, and Russian authorities must've decided to implement the same in order to gain greater control over the actions of their citizens.
There's lot to consider when you decide which CPU to go for, and then there is their market performance.
If your competitor has a better marketshare and also a better line of processors, it would be a suicide to not release a competitive product when the economy is staggering. Withholding the technology while waiting for the economy to improve can make the gap between them and Intel even wider.
This isn't about Linux on desktop. Its about combining Linux and proprietary 3rd party apps that include a clause about owning your left ventricle and such. These days you are more likely to find Linux on embedded devices than on desktops. When you are searching for a media player for your internet tablet, should you go for a 3rd party app like Canola or should you stick with Mplayer, those are the choices one faces when running Linux based devices.
A lot of progress has taken place in the the field of optics, electronics, cryogenics, material science and communications. Given the additional 1m on the reflector, it'd be safe to assume a far better performance than Hubble.
I think this thread is about 5 question for MW that he has already answered :)
Back to what you said: I think it was mostly the management and less of politics. The role of management is usually to dictate terms that they have absolutely no clue about. A marketing exec managing a SQL functionalities is gonna make the team go sour given enough time.
Big deal. Vista ships on a 4.something GIG
You are comparing apples and ummm...Vista, or more accurately Linux and Vista. The talk ins't about the 700MB download, its about how the apps included in that distro affect the performance of the system. Some affect the booting time, while some make the foreground apps run slower.
Can't say there's a chapter called "first" but I know of feature that lets you alert a moderator that removing such-and-such post would be good for those who want to read the more reasonable comments below.
Although most users use webmail, many still use POP and IMAP
Shouldn't the 'most' part be given more weightage? People who are wise enough to configure POP and IMAP accounts would certainly know that they can install Evolution through package manager or command line. It not only installs evolution, but by default all the evolution notifiers are loaded at startup. Devoting boot time to an application that only few people use is mighty waste.
What about games -- many users want at least basic entertainment
We are talking about making the distro as lite as possible. Putting the entire games suite takes up another big chunk. I never understood the reasoning behind the "games suite" to begin with. Wouldn't it be better if people chose their own games?
You could also install XFCE (as part of Xubuntu) instead and get lite/r Ubuntu automagically.
I tried that as well. There is a reason why XFCE didn't make it to machines that are capable of running KDE or Gnome. The apps that are omitted from XFCE based Unbuntu (aka Xubuntu) are sometimes quite essential for most people. Axing the OpenOffice.org install isn't exactly lite, since after installation of the essential apps, you end up with the same system resource utilization as Gnome or KDE.
There are several apps in the Gnome distro that are totally useless to many users, especially the newbies. Ubuntu could be far more "lite" if they took out Evolution, Ekiga, Gnome-games, tracker-search-tool, etc.
I'm really glad that the tracker-search-tool has been taken off the default apps list in the upcoming Jaunty Jackalope release. What would be really cool would be having some of the extras installed by default, like build-essential, restricted-extras, flashplugin, etc. Most people have to install them eventually and they agree to the flash/adobe/realplayer license when they install the third party apps. Why not add that in the agreements during installation and provide a fully functioning distro from the get go?
The clones would in all likelihood be a lot cheaper and therefor junkier than a Mac.
Not true. It depends on what configuration you use for the clone. If you go for a minimalistic Acer laptops, the overall performance would be far from optimal. But if you go for a better system with built-in graphic card and OLED screen and other peripherals, you can get far better specs than a MacPro for 3/4th the cost. Its up to you to decide what your hardware requirements are instead of having to choose between white/black/pro/mini.
You're just looking for an argument aren't you? USB drive + boot, usually reminds people of a computer that has an USB port and the ability to boot from USB. Find me a bowling ball polisher that can do these things and then we can continue the conversation.
You can give the robot ample AI, but make it a vegetarian. That way it'll hold the girl hostage until you send in some fresh broccoli instead of going munch, munch, munch on the damsel.
Axel can operate upside down and right side up...
There is no such thing as "This side up" when you consider a robot that operates in either orientation. Considering there are 3 motors, it's safe to assume that it doesn't have a bilateral symmetry either.
What would be even more interesting would be if person A accepts EULA on a machine M1, and uses machine M2 to gather packet information from M1. Is a person bound by the EULA on any computer he/she uses but accepting it on a single machine?
The dilemma involved in balancing "security vs. freedoms". Its a very non-linear problem, and at this point it looks like freedoms are on the downward slope.
When your primary source of income is based on utilizing wind energy to generate electricity, it makes every sense to look into the wind patterns and predict those in the future.
The velocity of wind, the climate during those months, etc. is quite crucial in determining how many turbines would be required to maintain a constant supply/demand ratio.
I'm pretty sure that civil engineers and architects have to predict rain patterns when they are building dams or hydroelectric generation stations.
But does it tell you who she is with? Now if you were tracking your best friend AND your wife, you'd know why those things listed in your account statement never show up at your house.
...and I do love running the Windows 7 beta on my Eee.
Keep in mind that the Windows 7 Beta expires in August 2009. Unless you're using your Eeepc as an experimental machine, you'd want to keep the OS it was shipped out with.
Carrying a passport along with you on your way to committing a crime is a pretty dumb thing to do. Reiser is a pretty slick programmer, but he was quite a dumb criminal. Tracing a RFID trail to the crime scene would've alerted the detectives of an obvious set up. But I digress.
All my programs are for 32-bit Vista editions. The ones for 64-bit Vista ~might~ work for Win7, but I can't vouch for it since I've not used the 64-bit apps.
Any computer that is Vista ready is definitely Win7 ready. Most of the 32-bit programs and device drivers that are compatible with Vista are also compatible with Win7.
Of course, I am running the beta of Ultimate that was released by M$, who knows how the basic versions are gonna fare.
The selling point for all the versions would be the same, "Buy me, buy me, I'm not Vista."