The trademark, copyright, and patent laws exist to create a fiction where things will have value, under the assumption that such a fiction will increase motivation to create these products.
So the only reason copyrighted works have value is because of the copyright? No, works that are copyrighted are found to be valuable even without copyright. Other wise those things would not have existed before copyright, trademark, patent laws. I will not respond further since the rest of your post is based on this statement.
Then I hope they're waterproof too, since the $38M also included the cost of a building to put them in...
Of course macs are waterproof, the whole user interface is made of water. Don't you think that would have caused a problem before now? They don't call it Aqua for nothing. Duh!
This is real interesting because I would think Forbes would be pro IP. For instance, do they support the RIAA? I guess they do not. Music for all practical intents and purposes is free. If someone buys music, it is out of a respect for laws and various contracts that says we buy goods and services. We have always been able to get music for free, it is just easier now. The fact that music sales have remained as high as they have, in spite of music being freely available, in spite of the RIAA attacking customers and potential customers, in spite of the economy being in such a slump that many people have no money.
People who make music might be suprised to learn that music is free. Instead of spending time and money making music, maybe they should just pull it out of thin air, because it's free.
Many of these adults remind me so much of adolescents who want to pick and choose the rules. The GPL is disclosed up front and a person chooses to use the GPL code or not. If they choose to used it and violate the license, there are consequences, just like any other violation. It is childish to say after the fact that the rules are unfair. The rules were agreed to when the software was used. And unlike some other software or music licenses, there is no element of constraint or duress, and the GPL has no element of unreasonable restrictions of rights.
Right the GPL is a copyright and you accept it just like any other copyright. So if the FSF wants to use gestapo tactics just like the BSA then why not? Why is the FSF different from the BSA? Birds of a feather....
The fact is that corporations want others to pay for their worthless products, but refuse the same in return. We have seen this with the RIAA and expensive industry reports. I have seen this with guys make 100K a year but only go to movies when they are free. And we see this know with companies that steal code but complain when others do the same.
If their products are worthless don't buy them. Why do you want to enforce some copyrights(GPL) but not other? Why do you accept FSF gestapo tactics with regards to GPL but not BSA? Do you believe in copyright at all or is everything public domain, including GPL source code?
Are you just trolling or do you really not know that Mac OS X is the evolution of OpenStep?
My point is that the company is apple, and they aquired the technology from next at the point of purchase. Apple doesn't get to "back port" technolgies it has aquired and claim to have had them for X number of years. If that were the case microsoft would have lots of technologeis from years ago, and their name would be Microsoft/XXXXX/XXXX/XXXXX/ continued for a real long time.
ehh? what do you mean "Still"? Apple/NeXT had network booting and access control to remote applications before Windows had a freakin' network stack!!!!
Apple/NeXT? i've not heard of this company. Are you talking about just NeXT? Cause there not around anymore, and I dont' think we should sell kids out of date computers.
Are you kidding? TV (in the US anyway) is controlled almost exclusively by NBC (GE), ABC (Disney), CBS, Fox, Turner, and the various cable companies.
Ah yes, the world revolves around the US, I forgot.
They don't have to be unified to control TV - if every station is run by a corporation (which virtually all are in the US), I think it's fair to say that TV is controlled by corporations...
*Virtually* at least your leaving room that not all are incorporated. Any way TV is controled by people, who may or may not have incorportated depending on the laws of the society it is in. Corporations aren't evil any ways, it's those damn limited partnerships!
TV was never controlled by regular people. It has always and will always be controlled by the corporations.
What an odd statement, i'm sure there are a lot of corporations out there that have nothing to do with television. Also I have little doubt that there are plenty of television companies world wide that are sole propreiterships, or partnerships etc. What makes you think they have all incorporated? or that all corportations are acting together to control television?
The "law" is no longer about the "truth", but who can spin the best "half-truths" (read: lies). And the best "lawyers" (read: lairs) cost $$$, so in short, he with the most money gets "justice" (read: their way). So anything the "little guy" (read: not much $$$) can win is to come up with a nice "open-source" "half-truth", of which this seems to be. That and all that framing stuff others mentioned;)
So you have no confidence in your fellow citizens that serve on juries? Maybe you should spend less time watching TV, and more time in an acutal court room.
Damn. Nobody ever recalled a poor boy's bicycle because it fall sideways when the riders energy runs out.
Good point actually. And since my bicycle is better then a segway in every way I can think of, i'll stick with the bike. Come to think of it the segway has got to be the most overhyped product in recent history. A solution looking for a problem? Anyone know what a good application is? What does it have over moped, bicycle,electric bicycle, roller blades, walking, etc?
Yes, the artists are idiots. We always knew they weren't the brightest bulbs on the tree, but your little rant only brings it home. Where will they go if they can't feed the recording industry? Yeah thats right to feeding us! Would you like fries with that?
If it was easier to buy mp3's than rip them off (searching p2p's or whatever) and if you could get all the benefits of pirate mp3's - listen anywhere, have a copy at home and on my portable player etc. then people would give them money.
Correction, you would give them money, the rest of us would just get our music for free via p2p. Because anything more then free is to much.
Java is great for what it is supposed to be used for.
Java was made as a replacement for C++. So it's not being used very much for what it was made for by your own words. It's found it's way onto the server as glue code around c++ code such as databases, in place of scripting languages. Out side of J2EE where is the success of java? Wouldn't J2EE be better if you could code it with say python? Java has not become a replacement for C++. And it sucks as a scripting language.
No the RIAA killer application was first Napster, then p2p apps. Napter made vast numbers of people aware of the fact that they no longer had to pay for music. As more and more people wake up and realize that, RIAA will die.
Delay. Delay. Delay. Demand a trial by jury, Delay. demand a hearing in your home town. Delay. pay your lawyer to nitpick. Delay. Mount the costs as high as you can... and if they ever get a settlement, fight it too, and if that ever succeeds, declare bankruptcy.
IF everyone they sue does this, the RIAA will run up horrendous bills trying to get blood from a turnip. their problems only increase, the more people they sue.
Set up a fund for people willing to do this. I'd contribute fifty bucks to it. the price of two cds in exchange for killing the RIAA... Hell yes.
If someone wealthy publicly offered to help back individuals being sued, that would stop this crap in a hurry.
They won't last that long. As more and more people realize that they no longer have to pay for their music, the RIAA won't have the money coming in and thus won't be able to afford to sue.
You know what statistics would be interesting to see?
How much CD sales have dropped off in the period since all these lawsuits started targeting RIAA customers.
Oh those sales are going to drop off more a more as more people who like me realize they never have to *buy* music again. Sure there will always be suckers that buy music to look at pretty pictures, but not enough to support the RIAA.
If i could get the latest songs i was looking for, at my preferred bitrate, from a reputable, dependable source (no more hunting for bands that aren't top 40), with consistant (good) transfer rates, for $0.50/song - i wouldn't hesitate.
Well as long as I would have to a) sign up for the service and fill out info etc. b) Have to re-buy a song if i accidentaly delete it. c) Can't get it in higher or lower bit rates if I like the song. d) can only get it from one source, rather then a buddy who has it on his computer i'm listening to here and now. I'll opt for free any day. Can't beat the price! I don't really have a problem finding the music I want at a decent bit rate.
particularly considering that the average recording artist is used to seeing $0.20 / CD, (vs $.50 / track on iTunes) i think they'll be more than willing to let that price drop by half again.
Well they're going to have to let it drop to 0. That's the way it's gonna be.
CDs have been more of a marketing tool like radio, than a dependable revenue stream. Just ask TLC how much they made off 3 hit albums and no touring.
Time to find a new marketing tool!
Maybe it's just me but I know far to many people who "sample" music, and don't buy cause it sucks. But they haven't bought a CD in years. So why do they have gigs of music on their computers/mp3 players if it all sucks.
Prices will drop to the point that:
. enough people will buy digital music legitimately
. legitimate distribution channels will be preferred due to a guarantee of desired quality without the hassle of mislabelled songs, bad rips, radio rips, etc.
. artists will see more direct revenue from sales, and will be very hesitant to pursue those that still swap files not-for-profit (civil offense)
Or prices will fall to 0 as I can't imagine any pricing scheme will also include the cost of signing up and paying for the service, which is as high or higher then just re-downloading a messed up free song.
Software makers use the artificial method of copyright to recapture this software and to claim ownership of it. This is not unlike the slave traders of old. I would go on here with the slave trader analogy because it is so completely apt, but experience in this forum shows me that most people here who claim to believe in the ideals of the Free Software Foundation simply do not understand the goals of the organization nor the fundamental reasons behind the movement.
The GPL is a copyright, so you want all software to fall into the public domain? Are you a slave to the GPL? Your one of those that believe the GPL is a virus?
yes. he played guitar for the band "x" who were quite popular in souther california during the 1980's. (the band is still together, btw, and you can catch them nov 21 and 22 in l.a. at the "house of blues").
You must be thinking of someone else. John Doe is dead. I saw it on the news, they said there is a John doe in the county Mourge.
My boss, a wise old business man, once commented to me about how ironic it was that we went from mainframes to PC's and now we're headed back to mainframes again, maybe not in the strictest sense but the concept is the same. Personally, as a system administrator, I like the thin client environment. PC's make it difficult to do the things you actually want to do while making it quite easy to things you really don't.
And the old main frames are better at doing "thin client" then todays browser apps. One day just like in the mid to late 80's IT managers will wake up and think "why the Hell are we wasting all that desktop power, and spending on these expensive servers?" And the circle will be complete.
Would you care to enlighten us to the kind of project and segment of the industry? The dev teams I work with are all fairly small, and the overhead of coordinating a project with an overseas subcontractor would add a lot of cost. I'm guessing your project must be damn huge for them to need so many coders? How big is your QA section?
The project is a shrink wrapped psychiatric analysis tool it can be run on a single desktop or as client server. We have lots of mathematical graphs and plotting and we are supporting a propreitary scripting langauage which needs a compiler along with GUI's. There are 10 of us working on it here and 8 in India. To be honest I don't know how big the QA dept is, there on a different area of the building then I am. Coordinating isn't to bad, just look at all the open source projects spread around the world that do it quite well.
This is a cycle most of you are more familiar referring to as DEBT, in this case, foreign debt. The cycle is hard to stop once it gets rolling, and once foreign debtors no longer believe us credit-worthy, they can refuse us credit and cripple our economy.
No, the trade deficit means that we buy more products from a given country then they do from us. That doesn't mean there is any debt, that just means that a country's companies are getting a lot of Dollars that they need to convert to their currency, or they can spend the Dollars here in the US. They get more Dollars from US then we do of their currency. There are implications for currency value in this situation. It looks like what your thinking of is the US budget deficit, which is debt. When the government spends more then it has, it issues bonds, you and I can by these bonds, or so can other countries. This can and does have serious implications on interest rates as the supply of debt in the marketplace goes up.
Read your linked to article again. The point is that the US has been buying on credit to support our spending on imports. The article goes on to say that there is a good long term out look for exports since our currency is going to be valued less, and foreigners are going to want to spend those dollars, rather then collect them.
As I type this i'm surrounded by Indians. Other then the project manager, and a Russian, i'm the only non-Indian. Half the indians are here, the other half are in India. So far the way the project is going, i'm scared as hell, the indians i'm working with here as H1-B's are top notch, and they get about market value. The indians that we have in India are also top notch, and are being paid about $15hr. The project is cheaper and of higher quality then using US labor according to the project manager. I'm not about to move to India for $15hr, and as much as I hate to say it, it's only going to get worse. I was talking to a former co-worker who just got his green card after coming here from India a few years ago, and he says there are thousands upon thousands of Indian's in school, and just getting out of school who are *extremely* well trained in comp sci and engineering. Things are only going to get worse, time to move up to management...
If it takes an hour to manually:
* search for songs
It's pretty easy to find the song, I can surf the web while the search goes on, or go watch tv and come back.
* verify that they are good rips
Yeah getting a bad rip sucks, but this doesn't happen that often, and it's not that hard to find a good rip.
* find and print the lyrics for each song
Well i get the lyrics in the song. That works for me.
It _is_ time consuming to do this. I'm not saying it won't continue to happen, but for most people -- even those making minimum wage -- it's worth paying $5 dollars. Okay, maybe even $8. Absolutely not more than $10.
I don't think it's that hard to download the song I want at a decent bit rate. Actually I think it's easier then any proposed method of dealing with paying for music. I think the music industry is screwed, I can't think of any reason other then the moral cost to an individual, that buying music is better then downloading it for free.
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The trademark, copyright, and patent laws exist to create a fiction where things will have value, under the assumption that such a fiction will increase motivation to create these products.
So the only reason copyrighted works have value is because of the copyright? No, works that are copyrighted are found to be valuable even without copyright. Other wise those things would not have existed before copyright, trademark, patent laws. I will not respond further since the rest of your post is based on this statement.
Then I hope they're waterproof too, since the $38M also included the cost of a building to put them in...
Of course macs are waterproof, the whole user interface is made of water. Don't you think that would have caused a problem before now? They don't call it Aqua for nothing. Duh!
This is real interesting because I would think Forbes would be pro IP. For instance, do they support the RIAA? I guess they do not. Music for all practical intents and purposes is free. If someone buys music, it is out of a respect for laws and various contracts that says we buy goods and services. We have always been able to get music for free, it is just easier now. The fact that music sales have remained as high as they have, in spite of music being freely available, in spite of the RIAA attacking customers and potential customers, in spite of the economy being in such a slump that many people have no money.
People who make music might be suprised to learn that music is free. Instead of spending time and money making music, maybe they should just pull it out of thin air, because it's free.
Many of these adults remind me so much of adolescents who want to pick and choose the rules. The GPL is disclosed up front and a person chooses to use the GPL code or not. If they choose to used it and violate the license, there are consequences, just like any other violation. It is childish to say after the fact that the rules are unfair. The rules were agreed to when the software was used. And unlike some other software or music licenses, there is no element of constraint or duress, and the GPL has no element of unreasonable restrictions of rights.
Right the GPL is a copyright and you accept it just like any other copyright. So if the FSF wants to use gestapo tactics just like the BSA then why not? Why is the FSF different from the BSA? Birds of a feather....
The fact is that corporations want others to pay for their worthless products, but refuse the same in return. We have seen this with the RIAA and expensive industry reports. I have seen this with guys make 100K a year but only go to movies when they are free. And we see this know with companies that steal code but complain when others do the same.
If their products are worthless don't buy them. Why do you want to enforce some copyrights(GPL) but not other? Why do you accept FSF gestapo tactics with regards to GPL but not BSA? Do you believe in copyright at all or is everything public domain, including GPL source code?
Take a look, your cake is gone.. you just ate it.
Are you just trolling or do you really not know that Mac OS X is the evolution of OpenStep?
My point is that the company is apple, and they aquired the technology from next at the point of purchase. Apple doesn't get to "back port" technolgies it has aquired and claim to have had them for X number of years. If that were the case microsoft would have lots of technologeis from years ago, and their name would be Microsoft/XXXXX/XXXX/XXXXX/ continued for a real long time.
ehh? what do you mean "Still"? Apple/NeXT had network booting and access control to remote applications before Windows had a freakin' network stack!!!!
Apple/NeXT? i've not heard of this company. Are you talking about just NeXT? Cause there not around anymore, and I dont' think we should sell kids out of date computers.
Are you kidding? TV (in the US anyway) is controlled almost exclusively by NBC (GE), ABC (Disney), CBS, Fox, Turner, and the various cable companies.
Ah yes, the world revolves around the US, I forgot.
They don't have to be unified to control TV - if every station is run by a corporation (which virtually all are in the US), I think it's fair to say that TV is controlled by corporations...
*Virtually* at least your leaving room that not all are incorporated. Any way TV is controled by people, who may or may not have incorportated depending on the laws of the society it is in. Corporations aren't evil any ways, it's those damn limited partnerships!
TV was never controlled by regular people. It has always and will always be controlled by the corporations.
What an odd statement, i'm sure there are a lot of corporations out there that have nothing to do with television. Also I have little doubt that there are plenty of television companies world wide that are sole propreiterships, or partnerships etc. What makes you think they have all incorporated? or that all corportations are acting together to control television?
The "law" is no longer about the "truth", but who can spin the best "half-truths" (read: lies). And the best "lawyers" (read: lairs) cost $$$, so in short, he with the most money gets "justice" (read: their way). So anything the "little guy" (read: not much $$$) can win is to come up with a nice "open-source" "half-truth", of which this seems to be. That and all that framing stuff others mentioned ;)
So you have no confidence in your fellow citizens that serve on juries? Maybe you should spend less time watching TV, and more time in an acutal court room.
Damn. Nobody ever recalled a poor boy's bicycle because it fall sideways when the riders energy runs out.
Good point actually. And since my bicycle is better then a segway in every way I can think of, i'll stick with the bike. Come to think of it the segway has got to be the most overhyped product in recent history. A solution looking for a problem? Anyone know what a good application is? What does it have over moped, bicycle,electric bicycle, roller blades, walking, etc?
Yes, the artists are idiots. We always knew they weren't the brightest bulbs on the tree, but your little rant only brings it home. Where will they go if they can't feed the recording industry? Yeah thats right to feeding us! Would you like fries with that?
If it was easier to buy mp3's than rip them off (searching p2p's or whatever) and if you could get all the benefits of pirate mp3's - listen anywhere, have a copy at home and on my portable player etc. then people would give them money.
Correction, you would give them money, the rest of us would just get our music for free via p2p. Because anything more then free is to much.
Java is great for what it is supposed to be used for.
Java was made as a replacement for C++. So it's not being used very much for what it was made for by your own words. It's found it's way onto the server as glue code around c++ code such as databases, in place of scripting languages. Out side of J2EE where is the success of java? Wouldn't J2EE be better if you could code it with say python? Java has not become a replacement for C++. And it sucks as a scripting language.
No the RIAA killer application was first Napster, then p2p apps. Napter made vast numbers of people aware of the fact that they no longer had to pay for music. As more and more people wake up and realize that, RIAA will die.
Delay. Delay. Delay. Demand a trial by jury, Delay. demand a hearing in your home town. Delay. pay your lawyer to nitpick. Delay. Mount the costs as high as you can... and if they ever get a settlement, fight it too, and if that ever succeeds, declare bankruptcy.
IF everyone they sue does this, the RIAA will run up horrendous bills trying to get blood from a turnip. their problems only increase, the more people they sue.
Set up a fund for people willing to do this. I'd contribute fifty bucks to it. the price of two cds in exchange for killing the RIAA... Hell yes.
If someone wealthy publicly offered to help back individuals being sued, that would stop this crap in a hurry.
They won't last that long. As more and more people realize that they no longer have to pay for their music, the RIAA won't have the money coming in and thus won't be able to afford to sue.
You know what statistics would be interesting to see?
How much CD sales have dropped off in the period since all these lawsuits started targeting RIAA customers.
Oh those sales are going to drop off more a more as more people who like me realize they never have to *buy* music again. Sure there will always be suckers that buy music to look at pretty pictures, but not enough to support the RIAA.
If i could get the latest songs i was looking for, at my preferred bitrate, from a reputable, dependable source (no more hunting for bands that aren't top 40), with consistant (good) transfer rates, for $0.50/song - i wouldn't hesitate.
Well as long as I would have to a) sign up for the service and fill out info etc. b) Have to re-buy a song if i accidentaly delete it. c) Can't get it in higher or lower bit rates if I like the song. d) can only get it from one source, rather then a buddy who has it on his computer i'm listening to here and now. I'll opt for free any day. Can't beat the price! I don't really have a problem finding the music I want at a decent bit rate.
particularly considering that the average recording artist is used to seeing $0.20 / CD, (vs $.50 / track on iTunes) i think they'll be more than willing to let that price drop by half again.
Well they're going to have to let it drop to 0. That's the way it's gonna be.
CDs have been more of a marketing tool like radio, than a dependable revenue stream. Just ask TLC how much they made off 3 hit albums and no touring.
Time to find a new marketing tool!
Maybe it's just me but I know far to many people who "sample" music, and don't buy cause it sucks. But they haven't bought a CD in years. So why do they have gigs of music on their computers/mp3 players if it all sucks.
Prices will drop to the point that:
. enough people will buy digital music legitimately
. legitimate distribution channels will be preferred due to a guarantee of desired quality without the hassle of mislabelled songs, bad rips, radio rips, etc.
. artists will see more direct revenue from sales, and will be very hesitant to pursue those that still swap files not-for-profit (civil offense)
Or prices will fall to 0 as I can't imagine any pricing scheme will also include the cost of signing up and paying for the service, which is as high or higher then just re-downloading a messed up free song.
The music industry is screwed.
Software makers use the artificial method of copyright to recapture this software and to claim ownership of it. This is not unlike the slave traders of old. I would go on here with the slave trader analogy because it is so completely apt, but experience in this forum shows me that most people here who claim to believe in the ideals of the Free Software Foundation simply do not understand the goals of the organization nor the fundamental reasons behind the movement.
The GPL is a copyright, so you want all software to fall into the public domain? Are you a slave to the GPL? Your one of those that believe the GPL is a virus?
Just curious.
yes. he played guitar for the band "x" who were quite popular in souther california during the 1980's. (the band is still together, btw, and you can catch them nov 21 and 22 in l.a. at the "house of blues").
You must be thinking of someone else. John Doe is dead. I saw it on the news, they said there is a John doe in the county Mourge.
It's obviously too little though. Have you seen their stock price lately?
Or more importantly their income statement? It's awfully red.
My boss, a wise old business man, once commented to me about how ironic it was that we went from mainframes to PC's and now we're headed back to mainframes again, maybe not in the strictest sense but the concept is the same. Personally, as a system administrator, I like the thin client environment. PC's make it difficult to do the things you actually want to do while making it quite easy to things you really don't.
And the old main frames are better at doing "thin client" then todays browser apps. One day just like in the mid to late 80's IT managers will wake up and think "why the Hell are we wasting all that desktop power, and spending on these expensive servers?" And the circle will be complete.
Would you care to enlighten us to the kind of project and segment of the industry? The dev teams I work with are all fairly small, and the overhead of coordinating a project with an overseas subcontractor would add a lot of cost. I'm guessing your project must be damn huge for them to need so many coders? How big is your QA section?
The project is a shrink wrapped psychiatric analysis tool it can be run on a single desktop or as client server. We have lots of mathematical graphs and plotting and we are supporting a propreitary scripting langauage which needs a compiler along with GUI's. There are 10 of us working on it here and 8 in India. To be honest I don't know how big the QA dept is, there on a different area of the building then I am. Coordinating isn't to bad, just look at all the open source projects spread around the world that do it quite well.
This is a cycle most of you are more familiar referring to as DEBT, in this case, foreign debt. The cycle is hard to stop once it gets rolling, and once foreign debtors no longer believe us credit-worthy, they can refuse us credit and cripple our economy.
No, the trade deficit means that we buy more products from a given country then they do from us. That doesn't mean there is any debt, that just means that a country's companies are getting a lot of Dollars that they need to convert to their currency, or they can spend the Dollars here in the US. They get more Dollars from US then we do of their currency. There are implications for currency value in this situation. It looks like what your thinking of is the US budget deficit, which is debt. When the government spends more then it has, it issues bonds, you and I can by these bonds, or so can other countries. This can and does have serious implications on interest rates as the supply of debt in the marketplace goes up.
Read your linked to article again. The point is that the US has been buying on credit to support our spending on imports. The article goes on to say that there is a good long term out look for exports since our currency is going to be valued less, and foreigners are going to want to spend those dollars, rather then collect them.
As I type this i'm surrounded by Indians. Other then the project manager, and a Russian, i'm the only non-Indian. Half the indians are here, the other half are in India. So far the way the project is going, i'm scared as hell, the indians i'm working with here as H1-B's are top notch, and they get about market value. The indians that we have in India are also top notch, and are being paid about $15hr. The project is cheaper and of higher quality then using US labor according to the project manager. I'm not about to move to India for $15hr, and as much as I hate to say it, it's only going to get worse. I was talking to a former co-worker who just got his green card after coming here from India a few years ago, and he says there are thousands upon thousands of Indian's in school, and just getting out of school who are *extremely* well trained in comp sci and engineering. Things are only going to get worse, time to move up to management...
If it takes an hour to manually:
* search for songs
It's pretty easy to find the song, I can surf the web while the search goes on, or go watch tv and come back.
* verify that they are good rips
Yeah getting a bad rip sucks, but this doesn't happen that often, and it's not that hard to find a good rip.
* find and print the lyrics for each song
Well i get the lyrics in the song. That works for me.
It _is_ time consuming to do this. I'm not saying it won't continue to happen, but for most people -- even those making minimum wage -- it's worth paying $5 dollars. Okay, maybe even $8. Absolutely not more than $10.
I don't think it's that hard to download the song I want at a decent bit rate. Actually I think it's easier then any proposed method of dealing with paying for music. I think the music industry is screwed, I can't think of any reason other then the moral cost to an individual, that buying music is better then downloading it for free.