How about instead of feeling useless guilt, you just be willing to pay a couple bucks more. Now point in feeling bad, just agree that you will be willing to toss in $5 extra for the Nook2 so these folks don't have to live like this.
How is that supposed to work? Pay the extra $5 and they'll just put it in their pocket and keep using exploited labor.
Out of kindness for a fellow human being, I will graciously accept your silence as an acknowledgement of your error and as an apology for charging ahead despite your ignorance of how advertising works. You are forgiven, have a nice weekend.:)
So let me see if I understand... you think that whe you click the disable ads feature, that you have turned off all the ads on the sight.... right? Dumb shit.
The worst thing about this story it that it would probably be unnoticed if it happened at any other factory in china. But now it's Foxconn and iPad 2 so now it's interesting.
On averge, Apple stories on Slashdot generate about 300 comments. Just for fun, take a look at the comment count on the non-Apple threads on the home page. Slashdot makes money from serving ads. What gets me is people actually take the summaries at face value and consider themselves 'informed', then they call for an iPad boycott to help FoxConn workers.
Bullshit, automation would be used if they could not exploit these folks. House sizes might shrink a little, but computers are cheap to make via automated processes. The models might change less often due to setup costs though.
Bullshit, automation would already be used if it were really possible or more economically viable than paying decent wages. We're not there, yet.
It's the first sign of the App-ture, when Steve Jobs will descend from on high, taking the faithful with him back to Cupertino, leaving the rest ofthe world in ruins. Destroying the production plants is necessary to stop the insincere-converters from snapping up an iPhone or ipad in time to be App-tured with the rest of us.
You do realize that with the things you are a fanboy of (Android, most likely), you act with a sense of righteousness, right? Spare us the 'cult of Steve', hypocrite.
In my last post the formatting was incorrect and I blew away my post. I'll re-write:
Why have we not told China to man up and get some human rights?
Why is that the US's job? The workers haven't asked for Uncle Sam's help, and when the US does stick its nose in people criticize then.
If China could actually do the human rights thing now instead of later, maybe I'd have more respect for them.
China wants a strong economy and the people at those factories want to eat. When the time comes, they'll stop and say 'we deserve more'. Until that happens, they'll be exploited.
Why have we not told China to man up and get some human rights?
If China could actually do the human rights thing now instead of later, maybe I'd have more respect for them.
China wants a strong economy and the people at those factories want to eat. When the time comes, they'll stop and say 'we deserve more'. Until that happens, they'll be exploited.
What? That sounds like the silly ramblings of a fanboy ? Good, I got your attention. Now let me ask a serious question: Why is it that at a product manufacturing factory where people are ridiculously over-worked that negligence isn't the first assumption? These are people being exploited, but these are not people who want to lose their jobs. Backlash, for them, would be people not turning up for work.
For instance, I'm sure I'm not alone in having seen BSODs on every screen at an airport or on an ATM. That doesn't (necessarily) mean it's actually insecure, but it does mean the software is still not stable enough to run anything important.
Uh, no, it means a hardware component failed, and that's not something Linux can defend against, either. Also, nothing about any OS means code written for it (such as the interface for an ATM....) will be bug free. For your point to be valid, you need to point out failures that are clearly the fault of the OS.
1) it doesn't matter what secret *I* don't know about the location of the suitcase...
Yes it does. You need information in order to actually pull it off.
Not everybody gets hacked, but if it's a juicy target the attack is going to be properly organized and when a vulnerability window appears for a few hours, it will get used.
All you are really saying here is that there is no such thing as security because nothing can be protected against an attack by an entity with infinite energy and resources.
2) even if I don't know the location of your suitcase full of money, I can break into all my neighbours' places and steal their suitcases full of money
Right, my obscured info is protecting me.
If a vulnerability exists on one person's computer, then that vulnerability exists on all the computers throughout the world which use the same OS and relevant settings. The bad guys don't need to hack *your* computer, they only need to hack *some* computer.
Sure. However, here's another way of saying it: If they know you have a vulnerability, they can get in. You are right, though, in that they are saved the trip over there to find out about it.
In the real world, security through obscurity is no security.
No, it's a Slashdot meme that puts the word "Insightful" next to people's posts. In the examples you just gave, it's actually helping out nicely. Here's something you should consider: Every day new vulnerabilities are found in virtually any browser or OS or whatever we use on a daily basis. The thing is, that vulnerability didn't just appear, it was there the whole time. The only reason it hasn't been exploited is that it hasn't been discovered.
Security through obscurity is still security. What you really mean to say is: "Once they overcome an obstacle, you have nothing left to protect you." And you know what? That's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. It's weaker than say putting it in a bank vault. But right now what you're saying is: "Your money is already gone."
The phrase 'security through obscurity' has been parroted so many times here that the meaning has been skewed.
I'm working at a place where I have to co-ordinate with somebody in another state. We're using Skype and here's a few reasons: (note: It is not my intention to imply that these features are exclusive to Skype.)
- Video chat- We do communicate a little better when it's more face-to-face than over the phone or via text. It does audio or just plain text chat, too. - Screen sharing- We can show each other what's going on on our desktops, lots of what we do is visual so that helps. - File xfers - Clients for iPhone, iPad, Mac, and all the features still work- I've heard it works on Android too but I personally have not seen that. - No Firewall BS - Encryption- Supposedly the Skype connection is all encrypted, including with file x-fers. That makes our overlords happy.
Hopefully this clarifies why I asked about remote access.
Perfect example of security through obscurity. Yeah, everyday script kiddies won't be messing around in the systems, but those dedicated to do damage or spy have the time and means to get to know the systems. And it's even easier for them because the systems aren't properly secured.
I'll be at work for a few more hours. In my living room at home there is a suitcase with a lot of cash in it. I didn't lock my front door, I didn't even close it. I won't tell you where I live. Security through obscurity.
Yeah. Because blizzards and heavy snow never disrupt power or telecommunications. </sarcasm>
You aren't using the word 'always', either.
In 2003 we had a bad ice storm that prevented cars from moving through the city for a week. My cable modem was working the entire time and I worked from home.
Here's a fun fact: Lots of cities put their cables under ground, now.
Yes, the whole Apple culture/worldview/aura is very L. Ron Hubbardesque.
Well, duh. If you read all the headlines sites like Slashdot uses to get you to roll ads on their page, you're bound to have a cartoonesque picture in your head.
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How about instead of feeling useless guilt, you just be willing to pay a couple bucks more. Now point in feeling bad, just agree that you will be willing to toss in $5 extra for the Nook2 so these folks don't have to live like this.
How is that supposed to work? Pay the extra $5 and they'll just put it in their pocket and keep using exploited labor.
Linux, as always, proves that it is always up to date with modern technology.
So sayeth the shepherd, so sayeth the flock.
No comments yet, everyone's being raptured.
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah rapture. (Score:5, Funny)
Out of kindness for a fellow human being, I will graciously accept your silence as an acknowledgement of your error and as an apology for charging ahead despite your ignorance of how advertising works. You are forgiven, have a nice weekend. :)
So let me see if I understand... you think that whe you click the disable ads feature, that you have turned off all the ads on the sight.... right? Dumb shit.
The worst thing about this story it that it would probably be unnoticed if it happened at any other factory in china. But now it's Foxconn and iPad 2 so now it's interesting.
On averge, Apple stories on Slashdot generate about 300 comments. Just for fun, take a look at the comment count on the non-Apple threads on the home page. Slashdot makes money from serving ads. What gets me is people actually take the summaries at face value and consider themselves 'informed', then they call for an iPad boycott to help FoxConn workers.
Bullshit, automation would be used if they could not exploit these folks. House sizes might shrink a little, but computers are cheap to make via automated processes. The models might change less often due to setup costs though.
Bullshit, automation would already be used if it were really possible or more economically viable than paying decent wages. We're not there, yet.
It's the first sign of the App-ture, when Steve Jobs will descend from on high, taking the faithful with him back to Cupertino, leaving the rest ofthe world in ruins. Destroying the production plants is necessary to stop the insincere-converters from snapping up an iPhone or ipad in time to be App-tured with the rest of us.
You do realize that with the things you are a fanboy of (Android, most likely), you act with a sense of righteousness, right? Spare us the 'cult of Steve', hypocrite.
In my last post the formatting was incorrect and I blew away my post. I'll re-write:
Why have we not told China to man up and get some human rights?
Why is that the US's job? The workers haven't asked for Uncle Sam's help, and when the US does stick its nose in people criticize then.
If China could actually do the human rights thing now instead of later, maybe I'd have more respect for them.
China wants a strong economy and the people at those factories want to eat. When the time comes, they'll stop and say 'we deserve more'. Until that happens, they'll be exploited.
Why have we not told China to man up and get some human rights?
If China could actually do the human rights thing now instead of later, maybe I'd have more respect for them.
China wants a strong economy and the people at those factories want to eat. When the time comes, they'll stop and say 'we deserve more'. Until that happens, they'll be exploited.
Somehow I doubt that this was an accident.
Yeah, it was probably sabotage by an Apple hater.
What? That sounds like the silly ramblings of a fanboy ? Good, I got your attention. Now let me ask a serious question: Why is it that at a product manufacturing factory where people are ridiculously over-worked that negligence isn't the first assumption? These are people being exploited, but these are not people who want to lose their jobs. Backlash, for them, would be people not turning up for work.
For instance, I'm sure I'm not alone in having seen BSODs on every screen at an airport or on an ATM. That doesn't (necessarily) mean it's actually insecure, but it does mean the software is still not stable enough to run anything important.
Uh, no, it means a hardware component failed, and that's not something Linux can defend against, either. Also, nothing about any OS means code written for it (such as the interface for an ATM....) will be bug free. For your point to be valid, you need to point out failures that are clearly the fault of the OS.
The headline answers your other question.
This is why the only solution is a GNU/Linux solution..
I'd love to see your MRI scan while you tell people this.
So, how is this at all different from the way Apple has been making the same claim for the past several weeks?
Slashdot needs to serve ads and Apple hasn't done anything else to bitch about.
What?
1) it doesn't matter what secret *I* don't know about the location of the suitcase...
Yes it does. You need information in order to actually pull it off.
Not everybody gets hacked, but if it's a juicy target the attack is going to be properly organized and when a vulnerability window appears for a few hours, it will get used.
All you are really saying here is that there is no such thing as security because nothing can be protected against an attack by an entity with infinite energy and resources.
2) even if I don't know the location of your suitcase full of money, I can break into all my neighbours' places and steal their suitcases full of money
Right, my obscured info is protecting me.
If a vulnerability exists on one person's computer, then that vulnerability exists on all the computers throughout the world which use the same OS and relevant settings. The bad guys don't need to hack *your* computer, they only need to hack *some* computer.
Sure. However, here's another way of saying it: If they know you have a vulnerability, they can get in. You are right, though, in that they are saved the trip over there to find out about it.
In the real world, security through obscurity is no security.
No, it's a Slashdot meme that puts the word "Insightful" next to people's posts. In the examples you just gave, it's actually helping out nicely. Here's something you should consider: Every day new vulnerabilities are found in virtually any browser or OS or whatever we use on a daily basis. The thing is, that vulnerability didn't just appear, it was there the whole time. The only reason it hasn't been exploited is that it hasn't been discovered.
Security through obscurity is still security. What you really mean to say is: "Once they overcome an obstacle, you have nothing left to protect you." And you know what? That's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. It's weaker than say putting it in a bank vault. But right now what you're saying is: "Your money is already gone."
The phrase 'security through obscurity' has been parroted so many times here that the meaning has been skewed.
Admins at /. have your IP address, they may try to bribe the admins at your ISP to get your street address. How much cash is in the suitcase?
I said I'm at work. I also said you only have hours to get it. What you don't know is still preventing you from getting the cash.
I'm working at a place where I have to co-ordinate with somebody in another state. We're using Skype and here's a few reasons: (note: It is not my intention to imply that these features are exclusive to Skype.)
- Video chat- We do communicate a little better when it's more face-to-face than over the phone or via text. It does audio or just plain text chat, too.
- Screen sharing- We can show each other what's going on on our desktops, lots of what we do is visual so that helps.
- File xfers
- Clients for iPhone, iPad, Mac, and all the features still work- I've heard it works on Android too but I personally have not seen that.
- No Firewall BS
- Encryption- Supposedly the Skype connection is all encrypted, including with file x-fers. That makes our overlords happy.
Hopefully this clarifies why I asked about remote access.
Here's a fun fact: Lots of cities put their cables under ground, now.
It still doesn't prevent "snow days", caused simply because of a sync issue that makes your internet connection worst than dialup.
Right, shit happens, we get that. So we're supposed to throw are hands up in the air and say "we can't get 100%, oh well."?
You live in LA. Took me all of five minutes to figure that out.
As soon as hackers know there's an attack vector and there's something worthwhile to obtain, you can be sure they'll figure it out pretty quickly.
You're looking in a ginormously huge, and wrong, city.
As the introvert geeks we are, do we really need it at all?
Do you use Linux for work? Remote work?
Perfect example of security through obscurity. Yeah, everyday script kiddies won't be messing around in the systems, but those dedicated to do damage or spy have the time and means to get to know the systems. And it's even easier for them because the systems aren't properly secured.
I'll be at work for a few more hours. In my living room at home there is a suitcase with a lot of cash in it. I didn't lock my front door, I didn't even close it. I won't tell you where I live. Security through obscurity.
Yeah. Because blizzards and heavy snow never disrupt power or telecommunications. </sarcasm>
You aren't using the word 'always', either.
In 2003 we had a bad ice storm that prevented cars from moving through the city for a week. My cable modem was working the entire time and I worked from home.
Here's a fun fact: Lots of cities put their cables under ground, now.
Who woulda thunk?
Funny, they didn't test Android fans. Or Sony, or Microsoft, or Google....
Bet you read the headline and immediately went to comment, right? I'm curious what your MRI would show.
Should be modded insightful.
Yes, the whole Apple culture/worldview/aura is very L. Ron Hubbardesque.
Well, duh. If you read all the headlines sites like Slashdot uses to get you to roll ads on their page, you're bound to have a cartoonesque picture in your head.