My point was that your argument mirrors theirs and it falls apart in exactly the same way theirs does too.
Right. My point is that you're not getting the point and your own rationale falls apart in exactly the way you described in your first post. You're too busy mugging for an insightful mod.
Uh, no, that's what *I* was saying, describing my own purchasing habits. It's also the sort of purchasing decision *you* make, too. Afterall, you purchased the Gilmore Girls when you could have saved money by just watching them when the aired, right?
Agreed. Unless they eventually eliminate the option to buy (which many record companies and TV studios have been trying to do for years)
Actually the TV and Movie industry had exactly that model for decades. It wasn't until the 80's (late 70's?) that you could purchase home movies and TV seasons on DVD is a recent thing, too. In fact, television shows on DVD have resurrected several shows.
For all the silliness these industries have put us through, it still boils down to supply and demand.
As with anything it depends what you buy. I just got Hercules season set for $20 or about $1 per episode. Star Trek still costs around $50 or about 2 dollars per episode..... but even then it's still a good deal because you can watch it as many times as you want over the next 10-20 years time. If you watched it four times, you've effectively reduced the cost to 50 cents
And if you get sick of the show, you can sell it on ebay for about $25.... further reducing your episode cost. It's almost always cheaper to buy then rent.
Yes, in one case, it doesn't make as much sense.
In the case of you not being so interested in the show that you want to buy the DVD, or the DVD isn't available, or it's really the one ep you want to watch, you're wasting a ton of money to catch it.
Having choices is better. Funny enough, that's a common theme on this site.
With the same price you can buy the whole season from store and get a physical product with extras too.
I don't think I've bought a non-clearance DVD of a TV season and averaged $.99 per ep.
That's beside the point, though. Maybe you're paying that 99 cents because you've never seen the show before and you're just curious. Or maybe you're paying that because you're really into a show and happened to miss one ep.
It's not a matter of cost, it's a matter of value. With all due respect, any geek or nerd should understand this. When have you ever heard one say: "I saved money by not upgrading my 2x CD burner. All I have to do is wait longer!"
Wow, I think that the construction of a visualised dataset of Dr Who's journey has created a new pinnacle of geekiness. Anyone know of anything more geeky?
Well, it's a fair sight cooler than the Android vs. iOS fan war.
Having grown up in Southern California I know that any vertical surface in a school is a magnet for graffiti.
I didn't dispute that.
The earthquakes, well, if this new school was built with the same quality control as the schools I attended someone slamming a door may be enough to trigger the first domino.
Then it should be corrected pretty soon after opening then, right?:)
Any *real* museum (in California or anywhere else) builds the facility with protecting the art in mind. Schools? Not so much.
Maybe, but it's not like anybody there in charge isn't going to be aware of the near-monthly rumblers we have here.
Sorry to be nitpicky, but no, that's not what happened. An extremely deadly virus broke out and killed people very quickly. The city was shut down and only the people in their cars survived. The system was set up so they'd perpetually stay in their cars even though the danger had passed. The monsters were a separate element that thrived in the changing environment.
There's one more serious oft-overlooked problem with DRM. For every copy of DRM'd software they sell they spend money every time somebody calls or emails with an activation problem. There's an on-going cost of maintaining servers and software to keep giving permission for installs. Basically, over time, their profits are getting eaten away by their own customer service. Sadly I think it'll take a couple of years before anybody realizes the problem with this. Heh.
I wonder how many bugs like this are lurking in closed source products, just waiting to be discovered and exploited?
I wonder how many bugs like this are lurking in open source projects, just waiting to be discovered and used against people that assume that the software they use is secure because they read Slashdot comments.
That may be going a bit far considering the range is currently only proven out to 100 feet or so (still a long way for a "proximity device") but it's not technically impossible.
From what you just said, it is technically impossible. Heh.
The point isn't that they contain personal information, but that they broadcast it to the world.
No, they broadcast it about 20 feet.
When I use my credit card it goes into a database, that's fine I control when I use it, with an RFID card I lose the control over who can read that information. That's the difference.
You don't take the card with you, then. Heck, wrap it in a small faraday cage. From a practical standpoint you haven't saved yourself much.
Yes and no. If the technology was invasive enough it could potentially track your location by what reader you were near.
You say that as if that's a trivial thing to do. If we were talking about one entity rolling out RFID readers across the country and tying those to something you're likely to carry, sure, be afraid. Just remember to stop carrying a cell phone and credit cards, those are betraying you RIGHT NOW.
I dunno if RFID isn't something to be worried about, but there is definitely a misunderstanding around here about how trackable it is.
It wasn't all that long ago that there was a story on Slashdot about how school uniforms were going to have RFID tags embedded in them and there were +5 comments about how pedophiles were going to sit in their van with a little screen showing the position of where each child in the city is. There's some impression that RFID tags broadcast their GPS co-ordinates into space or something. False.
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My point was that your argument mirrors theirs and it falls apart in exactly the same way theirs does too.
Right. My point is that you're not getting the point and your own rationale falls apart in exactly the way you described in your first post. You're too busy mugging for an insightful mod.
That's what the MAFIAA says...
Uh, no, that's what *I* was saying, describing my own purchasing habits. It's also the sort of purchasing decision *you* make, too. Afterall, you purchased the Gilmore Girls when you could have saved money by just watching them when the aired, right?
Agreed. Unless they eventually eliminate the option to buy (which many record companies and TV studios have been trying to do for years)
Actually the TV and Movie industry had exactly that model for decades. It wasn't until the 80's (late 70's?) that you could purchase home movies and TV seasons on DVD is a recent thing, too. In fact, television shows on DVD have resurrected several shows.
For all the silliness these industries have put us through, it still boils down to supply and demand.
As with anything it depends what you buy. I just got Hercules season set for $20 or about $1 per episode. Star Trek still costs around $50 or about 2 dollars per episode..... but even then it's still a good deal because you can watch it as many times as you want over the next 10-20 years time. If you watched it four times, you've effectively reduced the cost to 50 cents
And if you get sick of the show, you can sell it on ebay for about $25.... further reducing your episode cost. It's almost always cheaper to buy then rent.
Yes, in one case, it doesn't make as much sense.
In the case of you not being so interested in the show that you want to buy the DVD, or the DVD isn't available, or it's really the one ep you want to watch, you're wasting a ton of money to catch it.
Having choices is better. Funny enough, that's a common theme on this site.
With the same price you can buy the whole season from store and get a physical product with extras too.
I don't think I've bought a non-clearance DVD of a TV season and averaged $.99 per ep.
That's beside the point, though. Maybe you're paying that 99 cents because you've never seen the show before and you're just curious. Or maybe you're paying that because you're really into a show and happened to miss one ep.
It's not a matter of cost, it's a matter of value. With all due respect, any geek or nerd should understand this. When have you ever heard one say: "I saved money by not upgrading my 2x CD burner. All I have to do is wait longer!"
Wow, I think that the construction of a visualised dataset of Dr Who's journey has created a new pinnacle of geekiness. Anyone know of anything more geeky?
Well, it's a fair sight cooler than the Android vs. iOS fan war.
Having grown up in Southern California I know that any vertical surface in a school is a magnet for graffiti.
I didn't dispute that.
The earthquakes, well, if this new school was built with the same quality control as the schools I attended someone slamming a door may be enough to trigger the first domino.
Then it should be corrected pretty soon after opening then, right? :)
Any *real* museum (in California or anywhere else) builds the facility with protecting the art in mind. Schools? Not so much.
Maybe, but it's not like anybody there in charge isn't going to be aware of the near-monthly rumblers we have here.
I think not. Why is this on slashdot?
Because Slashdot is ad-supported.
Here's another fun fact: By asking questions like "why is this here?", you're generating more content for them to drive ad-views on.
...or an earthquake will turn their precious fine art murals and marble memorial into nostalgia....
You're buying a little too heavily into a Los Angeles stereotype, there. Unless you believe we don't have any Art museums here. ;)
Sorry to be nitpicky, but no, that's not what happened. An extremely deadly virus broke out and killed people very quickly. The city was shut down and only the people in their cars survived. The system was set up so they'd perpetually stay in their cars even though the danger had passed. The monsters were a separate element that thrived in the changing environment.
There's one more serious oft-overlooked problem with DRM. For every copy of DRM'd software they sell they spend money every time somebody calls or emails with an activation problem. There's an on-going cost of maintaining servers and software to keep giving permission for installs. Basically, over time, their profits are getting eaten away by their own customer service. Sadly I think it'll take a couple of years before anybody realizes the problem with this. Heh.
Right. Like I said, a false sense of security. Think about the ramifications of what you're saying.
The difference being however that with linux bugs I tend to hear about them after I already downloaded the fix.
That's called a false sense of security.
Fair enough, I concede.
I wonder how many bugs like this are lurking in closed source products, just waiting to be discovered and exploited?
I wonder how many bugs like this are lurking in open source projects, just waiting to be discovered and used against people that assume that the software they use is secure because they read Slashdot comments.
Do you know how RFID works?
Only if you read what I said in a mirror while standing on your head.
Do you live in a city that's 100 feet in diameter?
You mean the RFID's with huge batteries that need constant charging and aren't called "RFID"s anymore?
Whoever modded my post as troll should look up how RFID actually works then try to work out a practical way for the AC's suggestion to work.
That may be going a bit far considering the range is currently only proven out to 100 feet or so (still a long way for a "proximity device") but it's not technically impossible.
From what you just said, it is technically impossible. Heh.
The point isn't that they contain personal information, but that they broadcast it to the world.
No, they broadcast it about 20 feet.
When I use my credit card it goes into a database, that's fine I control when I use it, with an RFID card I lose the control over who can read that information. That's the difference.
You don't take the card with you, then. Heck, wrap it in a small faraday cage. From a practical standpoint you haven't saved yourself much.
Dozens of RFID detectors that do broadcast GPS coordinates into space will be responsible for that part.
You mean the RFID's with huge batteries that need constant charging and aren't called "RFID"s anymore?
Yes and no. If the technology was invasive enough it could potentially track your location by what reader you were near.
You say that as if that's a trivial thing to do. If we were talking about one entity rolling out RFID readers across the country and tying those to something you're likely to carry, sure, be afraid. Just remember to stop carrying a cell phone and credit cards, those are betraying you RIGHT NOW.
Although it is important to point out that this isn't exactly a dongle, as a dongle is designed a copy protection device.
That isn't really important or correct. Dongle also more-or-less means 'small adapter'. My 3-com PCMCIA network card had a 'dongle', for example.
But alas, I'm running Linux :)
Do you wish you had the luxury of worrying about unwanted pregnancy, too? :)
I dunno if RFID isn't something to be worried about, but there is definitely a misunderstanding around here about how trackable it is.
It wasn't all that long ago that there was a story on Slashdot about how school uniforms were going to have RFID tags embedded in them and there were +5 comments about how pedophiles were going to sit in their van with a little screen showing the position of where each child in the city is. There's some impression that RFID tags broadcast their GPS co-ordinates into space or something. False.