Me: I just want to be clear that I never intended to say you're using the word incorrectly. You: I did not misuse or overuse the word..
Heh. You replied before reading my post. Notti Notti.
Good grief. Grow a pair of literary cojones, will ya?
Literary? Really??
Do you also shirk away from describing yourself as an "atheist" (assuming you are) because you fear the stigma attached to that word, even though the word is accurate?
Are you unable to make your point without using a propoganda'esque tone?
It's also worth noting that "jihad" != "terrorism", except in the mind of a poorly educated and/or un-insightful person.
I just want to be clear that I never intended to say you're using the word incorrectly. It's the style of its use I have issue with. It reminds me of people shouting 'terrorist' whenever a certain presidential candidate was mentioned. Frankly, that was not that long ago.
To such a person I might have indeed sounded "like those people", but apparently not to visitors here.
I think they accept it because they really don't like the RIAA. I'm not perfect. I'd love to pretend I'd practice what I preach 100% of the time, but I wouldn't have brought it up if you were describing Sony's attempts to thwart home-brew on the PSP.
I think you underestimate your fellow Slashdotters, which is possibly why you were modded as Troll; nobody likes being judged as ignorant, and much less so when it's not true.
I will be up front and tell you that I definitely do not think as highly of them as you do. That may ruffle a few feathers, but least I am not trying to BS my way out of claiming otherwise. However, I do not believe the troll mod was because I was saying anybody was ignorant. I think the Troll mod was because I was sucking the fun out of attaching a term to the RIAA that would turn public opinion against them. I do not believe that's the method to use to fight back against these guys. To me it's in the same spirit as "Godwin's Law" and it does not lose its strength just because the RIAA are a bunch of life-ruining jerks. It's hard, especially in recent years, to take a point seriously when you paint those who oppose you as a caricature of themselves.
This extreme-label approach only works in the short term. Once enough people start parroting it, other people get annoyed with hearing the same phrase over and over again and take a stand against it. This is how fanboys are created.
Whatever. The matter is still an added cost over plain information, so removing the matter should cost less than information on its own.
Right. The less matter means less mass, less volume, and increased value.
Actually it would. Some people like trivia. Others want to find a specific quote, or find evidence about whether Harry talks more often to Ginny or Hermione, and so on.
Okay, so to most users a search function in a Harry Potter book increases its value more than it would in a reference book. Okay, I'll accept that. The digital copy has more value than the dead-tree version.:)
IMO there are better formats for things like that than a book...
This is really drifting off topic. Actually the HTML documentation that comes with Maya regarding Mel has some nifty features that make it far more useful than a PDF. But that's not what we're talking about. That's also not how people will publish right now.
If you search in a PDF of a C manual for printf you'll probably find more than 50 random appearances of it in the examples, before you find the function's complete description.
Yes, I know this is off topic, but I wanted to touch on this: The Adobe PDF viewer not only shows you the list of searches it found with a snippet of the context, but it'll also apply that search to all the files in the folder the PDF is in. Back when I did Lightwave scripting that was how I kept track of all the functions etc, that worked pretty darned well. Not a bad in-between option for somebody writing a book that doesn't want to write a software interface for looking shit up.
Just because the word is overused in other contexts...
That's not why. It's because you sound like those people who call the people who oppose their view 'terrorists'. I know it's satisfying to have that word 'Insightful' next to your post, but that's the debate style you're supporting.
I think two-way comms are very likely. CA is nearly a police state as it is.
A bankrupt police state.
All you need to get a position is something akin to a overpowered RFID.
Hah. And a power source. And a line of communication. And a system that can sort through that data and do something useful with it. And the hardware install on the cars that transmits. And the extra people to maintain it. Etc.
It would not be building much cost into the system and pretty short sighted not to consider it for the long term.
Heh. No, you're not. You're buying information. They use matter to deliver it.
Disagree. In the general sense, a physical book has more value. It doesn't have batteries that run out, has no DRM (huge increase in value for me), can be lent and borrowed, and doesn't depend on third parties to keep working.
Your book has mass, volume, cannot be backed up, and has no search function like what you can get with an e-reader. I do, however, agree about the DRM eating at its value.
So it becomes a question of total value. Does a Harry Potter book benefit from searching? No. Scripting? Uh, yes. Value++. I'd happily pay that amount, possibly more, for an unrestricted PDF of a good scripting book because it'd become several times more useful during an actual scripting session than it would sitting as a heavy ass book on my desk. Digital > physical.
No, it's not. You're buying information, not matter.
The heavier one, despite its lack of a search function, is actually much more costly to produce.
The digital one has more value.
Don't get me wrong, generally speaking I don't think e-books should be more expensive than dead-tree books for precisely the reason you're stating. There's a potential here for authors to sell books more cheaply, sell them more cheaply, and potentially get a bigger lump of sales. But in this context you're talking about learning/reference and not entertainment. What you do with this book makes you more employable. You are better served with the electronic format. It's worth more now, doesn't matter how it's published.
I personally can't wait to see what measures this new software takes to control its users and limit their access to other programs.
Welp, you came to the right place for a ton of theories about how that'll happen. Did you know that there's no apps on the iPhone for finding employment? That's because Steve Jobs internally trademarked his name so 'job finder' apps are automatically rejected from the store.
Recently there was a blurb on... oh.. I think it was somewhere on Digg about how some sites were messing with the clipboard so that if you copied the image address it'd somehow modify the clipboard to add the copyright info to it.
I don't know how it works, but I'm not convinced right now somebody won't get the idea to turn that into a form of SPAM.
Copy and paste is literally that basic that it is pretty much taken for granted. We've had it on every system for 20 years, there is no need to mention copy and paste...
Uh huh. And the missing detail here was a metric butt-load of people not having it available, then suddenly having it available and... ptbtbtb nobody really cares.
but seeing as you asked, I use copy on Android quite a bit...
I didn't ask about Android. (Though I do appreciate this amusing comment given the blasting you give fanboys later in your post.) It's a different animal. I've never used Android so I'm not going to sit here and tell you what missing features it desperately needs.
You missed out "I'm a fanboy so I can justify the omission of any functionality no matter how basic or useful it is" which is the most common justification I see used.
I didn't miss it, I just didn't include it because I figured mentioning uninformed ranting would just bruise some egos. By the way, here's a fun fact: The people who use the product know more about it than the people who don't. Also consider that you're getting your information from a site that gets paid for us to bicker.
Actually it might be better. Imagine, if a show didn't have to worry about censorship, warning labels, or the esrb or any of the federal agencies that keep the airwaves "clean".
At this point they have had little to no exposure. With more exposure and perhaps more donations more of those folks working for free might get paid.
Even if they don't, just having it on the resume can help them out. They work for free, they gain valuable work experience, then they go on to a good paying job.
Something like that happened to me. I did freelance from time to time doing some CG artwork and effects. I also did some un-paid work that, because they weren't paying me, couldn't dictate deadlines and what I could and couldn't show. That meant that the work was done when I felt it was of high enough quality to put in my portfolio and I could show it as I was working on it. Nearly all of the paid work I did I couldn't show for over a year until the production had been released. My reel comprised mostly of my unpaid work and that was what landed me in Los Angeles working on movies. Technically I made a decent chunk of change doing the free-lance, but it was the free-work that elevated me in my career, and in the end made me a lot more money.
I'm sorry I took the scenic route to get here, but my point is that it's possible that the arrangement wouldn't neccesarily need to be for the production people to get paid. It'd be like a remote intern job. I would have killed for something like that in my early 20's.
Is Dancing with Stars from 2002 in the top 10 current best selling blu-ray movie section on amazon.com? because Firefly is...
That really doesn't mean anything. In the end which generated more profit? I imagine Dancing with the Stars eats up far fewer dollars per episode to make and the advertising revenue is probably eye-brow raising.
Admittedly, though, I don't really know how you find that out. Heh.
Is this a 'Method of Implementing Copy and Paste on a Mobile Cellphone' patent or something? What's going on?
I'm not a software developer here so please excuse the dumb question: But if you design an Operating System intended to completely isolate apps from bumping into each other, presumably for security reasons, isn't the clipboard a potential risk? In the case of a multi-tasking OS, what's to stop an app from constantly reading the clipboard and re-broadcasting anything that looks like a phone, credit card, or social security number?
I thought all Apple people decided that copy-paste was unnecessary.
You'll notice not many people talk about actually using it.
There actually is a distinction between "I'll buy anything they'll sell to me!" and "Welp I've had this for a while and just haven't realy needed it." You'd think cybernetic wannabees like us would already know this.
I use copy and paste all the time on my Samsung Omnia running Windows Mobile 6.1
I used it all the time on my Treo a couple of years ago. Then I couldn't when I got an iPhone. Then eventually the OS was upgraded and I could... but yeah I still don't use it much. I use the iPhone a lot more than I did the Treo so I'm not really sure why it doesn't matter so much anymore. I don't know if it's because I adapted to not needing it or if it's because the 'workflow' of it is just different and not all that necessary. I do distinctly remember spending half my time on the Treo getting around the fact that it had a terrible web browser and finding apps for it without the aid of a computer involved a lot of research and trickery. Both those problems are gone now so maybe I just used the C&P a lot in those scenarios. It's not something I've really measured, just a mild curiosity now. It never really occured to me before that a change in how a computing device works could mean lowered reliance on the clipboard. On my desktop/laptop computer usage, my use of the clipboard has gone UP in recent years!
Heh, on a side note, it is amusing when I accidently hit 'paste' and I see something on the clipboard from like 6 months ago. I'm starting to think we need a statute of limitations on the clipboard. IRC users already understand this.:D
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Me: I just want to be clear that I never intended to say you're using the word incorrectly.
You: I did not misuse or overuse the word..
Heh. You replied before reading my post. Notti Notti.
Good grief. Grow a pair of literary cojones, will ya?
Literary? Really??
Do you also shirk away from describing yourself as an "atheist" (assuming you are) because you fear the stigma attached to that word, even though the word is accurate?
Are you unable to make your point without using a propoganda'esque tone?
It's also worth noting that "jihad" != "terrorism", except in the mind of a poorly educated and/or un-insightful person.
I just want to be clear that I never intended to say you're using the word incorrectly. It's the style of its use I have issue with. It reminds me of people shouting 'terrorist' whenever a certain presidential candidate was mentioned. Frankly, that was not that long ago.
To such a person I might have indeed sounded "like those people", but apparently not to visitors here.
I think they accept it because they really don't like the RIAA. I'm not perfect. I'd love to pretend I'd practice what I preach 100% of the time, but I wouldn't have brought it up if you were describing Sony's attempts to thwart home-brew on the PSP.
I think you underestimate your fellow Slashdotters, which is possibly why you were modded as Troll; nobody likes being judged as ignorant, and much less so when it's not true.
I will be up front and tell you that I definitely do not think as highly of them as you do. That may ruffle a few feathers, but least I am not trying to BS my way out of claiming otherwise. However, I do not believe the troll mod was because I was saying anybody was ignorant. I think the Troll mod was because I was sucking the fun out of attaching a term to the RIAA that would turn public opinion against them. I do not believe that's the method to use to fight back against these guys. To me it's in the same spirit as "Godwin's Law" and it does not lose its strength just because the RIAA are a bunch of life-ruining jerks. It's hard, especially in recent years, to take a point seriously when you paint those who oppose you as a caricature of themselves.
This extreme-label approach only works in the short term. Once enough people start parroting it, other people get annoyed with hearing the same phrase over and over again and take a stand against it. This is how fanboys are created.
Whatever. The matter is still an added cost over plain information, so removing the matter should cost less than information on its own.
Right. The less matter means less mass, less volume, and increased value.
Actually it would. Some people like trivia. Others want to find a specific quote, or find evidence about whether Harry talks more often to Ginny or Hermione, and so on.
Okay, so to most users a search function in a Harry Potter book increases its value more than it would in a reference book. Okay, I'll accept that. The digital copy has more value than the dead-tree version. :)
IMO there are better formats for things like that than a book ...
This is really drifting off topic. Actually the HTML documentation that comes with Maya regarding Mel has some nifty features that make it far more useful than a PDF. But that's not what we're talking about. That's also not how people will publish right now.
If you search in a PDF of a C manual for printf you'll probably find more than 50 random appearances of it in the examples, before you find the function's complete description.
Yes, I know this is off topic, but I wanted to touch on this: The Adobe PDF viewer not only shows you the list of searches it found with a snippet of the context, but it'll also apply that search to all the files in the folder the PDF is in. Back when I did Lightwave scripting that was how I kept track of all the functions etc, that worked pretty darned well. Not a bad in-between option for somebody writing a book that doesn't want to write a software interface for looking shit up.
Just because the word is overused in other contexts...
That's not why. It's because you sound like those people who call the people who oppose their view 'terrorists'. I know it's satisfying to have that word 'Insightful' next to your post, but that's the debate style you're supporting.
That is because, as I'm sure you figured out, this is a jihad or religious war to them, and they must win at all cost.
I'm no fan of the RIAA either, but can we keep this "it's a jihad!" bullshit out of this?
I think two-way comms are very likely. CA is nearly a police state as it is.
A bankrupt police state.
All you need to get a position is something akin to a overpowered RFID.
Hah. And a power source. And a line of communication. And a system that can sort through that data and do something useful with it. And the hardware install on the cars that transmits. And the extra people to maintain it. Etc.
It would not be building much cost into the system and pretty short sighted not to consider it for the long term.
Utterly impractical.
I'm buying information + matter.
Heh. No, you're not. You're buying information. They use matter to deliver it.
Disagree. In the general sense, a physical book has more value. It doesn't have batteries that run out, has no DRM (huge increase in value for me), can be lent and borrowed, and doesn't depend on third parties to keep working.
Your book has mass, volume, cannot be backed up, and has no search function like what you can get with an e-reader. I do, however, agree about the DRM eating at its value.
So it becomes a question of total value. Does a Harry Potter book benefit from searching? No. Scripting? Uh, yes. Value++. I'd happily pay that amount, possibly more, for an unrestricted PDF of a good scripting book because it'd become several times more useful during an actual scripting session than it would sitting as a heavy ass book on my desk. Digital > physical.
I'm just worried that some of that sodium chloride will end up polluting our oceans and in our food.
It's easy to imagine that half the people that laughed at this ruined it by snorting.
Well, no, but that's beside the point.
No, it's not. You're buying information, not matter.
The heavier one, despite its lack of a search function, is actually much more costly to produce.
The digital one has more value.
Don't get me wrong, generally speaking I don't think e-books should be more expensive than dead-tree books for precisely the reason you're stating. There's a potential here for authors to sell books more cheaply, sell them more cheaply, and potentially get a bigger lump of sales. But in this context you're talking about learning/reference and not entertainment. What you do with this book makes you more employable. You are better served with the electronic format. It's worth more now, doesn't matter how it's published.
This is the wrong book to make this stand on.
£9 for an e-book is borderline ridiculous in my opinion. I guess some people will buy that, though.
You'd pay that much or more for something with the same information only heavier with no search function?
xD!!
I personally can't wait to see what measures this new software takes to control its users and limit their access to other programs.
Welp, you came to the right place for a ton of theories about how that'll happen. Did you know that there's no apps on the iPhone for finding employment? That's because Steve Jobs internally trademarked his name so 'job finder' apps are automatically rejected from the store.
Recently there was a blurb on ... oh.. I think it was somewhere on Digg about how some sites were messing with the clipboard so that if you copied the image address it'd somehow modify the clipboard to add the copyright info to it.
I don't know how it works, but I'm not convinced right now somebody won't get the idea to turn that into a form of SPAM.
Thanks for the lesson in internet etiquette, Captain AllCaps.
I purposely buy clothes without logos, shoes without logos, sand the logos off my electronics, etc.
I never thought I'd ever say this to a Slashdotter, but I'd love to look in your closet.
If they can send (?) ad and other information (FTFA) to your plate, they can receive it as well.
Considering that two-way communication is much more expensive to implement and maintain than a simple broadcast, why is this a given?
What if it gets the Blue Screen of Death?
Blue screens are almost always a driver problem.
Copy and paste is literally that basic that it is pretty much taken for granted. We've had it on every system for 20 years, there is no need to mention copy and paste...
Uh huh. And the missing detail here was a metric butt-load of people not having it available, then suddenly having it available and... ptbtbtb nobody really cares.
but seeing as you asked, I use copy on Android quite a bit...
I didn't ask about Android. (Though I do appreciate this amusing comment given the blasting you give fanboys later in your post.) It's a different animal. I've never used Android so I'm not going to sit here and tell you what missing features it desperately needs.
You missed out "I'm a fanboy so I can justify the omission of any functionality no matter how basic or useful it is" which is the most common justification I see used.
I didn't miss it, I just didn't include it because I figured mentioning uninformed ranting would just bruise some egos. By the way, here's a fun fact: The people who use the product know more about it than the people who don't. Also consider that you're getting your information from a site that gets paid for us to bicker.
Actually it might be better. Imagine, if a show didn't have to worry about censorship, warning labels, or the esrb or any of the federal agencies that keep the airwaves "clean".
Yeah imagine... cable.
At this point they have had little to no exposure. With more exposure and perhaps more donations more of those folks working for free might get paid.
Even if they don't, just having it on the resume can help them out. They work for free, they gain valuable work experience, then they go on to a good paying job.
Something like that happened to me. I did freelance from time to time doing some CG artwork and effects. I also did some un-paid work that, because they weren't paying me, couldn't dictate deadlines and what I could and couldn't show. That meant that the work was done when I felt it was of high enough quality to put in my portfolio and I could show it as I was working on it. Nearly all of the paid work I did I couldn't show for over a year until the production had been released. My reel comprised mostly of my unpaid work and that was what landed me in Los Angeles working on movies. Technically I made a decent chunk of change doing the free-lance, but it was the free-work that elevated me in my career, and in the end made me a lot more money.
I'm sorry I took the scenic route to get here, but my point is that it's possible that the arrangement wouldn't neccesarily need to be for the production people to get paid. It'd be like a remote intern job. I would have killed for something like that in my early 20's.
Is Dancing with Stars from 2002 in the top 10 current best selling blu-ray movie section on amazon.com? because Firefly is...
That really doesn't mean anything. In the end which generated more profit? I imagine Dancing with the Stars eats up far fewer dollars per episode to make and the advertising revenue is probably eye-brow raising.
Admittedly, though, I don't really know how you find that out. Heh.
Is this a 'Method of Implementing Copy and Paste on a Mobile Cellphone' patent or something? What's going on?
I'm not a software developer here so please excuse the dumb question: But if you design an Operating System intended to completely isolate apps from bumping into each other, presumably for security reasons, isn't the clipboard a potential risk? In the case of a multi-tasking OS, what's to stop an app from constantly reading the clipboard and re-broadcasting anything that looks like a phone, credit card, or social security number?
I thought all Apple people decided that copy-paste was unnecessary.
You'll notice not many people talk about actually using it.
There actually is a distinction between "I'll buy anything they'll sell to me!" and "Welp I've had this for a while and just haven't realy needed it." You'd think cybernetic wannabees like us would already know this.
Either this is a really pathetic attempt at a troll, or you should just turn in your geek card.
What's weird about that is if he had replaced iPhone with "Palm Treo" he would have nicely described what using that phone was like.
I use copy and paste all the time on my Samsung Omnia running Windows Mobile 6.1
I used it all the time on my Treo a couple of years ago. Then I couldn't when I got an iPhone. Then eventually the OS was upgraded and I could... but yeah I still don't use it much. I use the iPhone a lot more than I did the Treo so I'm not really sure why it doesn't matter so much anymore. I don't know if it's because I adapted to not needing it or if it's because the 'workflow' of it is just different and not all that necessary. I do distinctly remember spending half my time on the Treo getting around the fact that it had a terrible web browser and finding apps for it without the aid of a computer involved a lot of research and trickery. Both those problems are gone now so maybe I just used the C&P a lot in those scenarios. It's not something I've really measured, just a mild curiosity now. It never really occured to me before that a change in how a computing device works could mean lowered reliance on the clipboard. On my desktop/laptop computer usage, my use of the clipboard has gone UP in recent years!
Heh, on a side note, it is amusing when I accidently hit 'paste' and I see something on the clipboard from like 6 months ago. I'm starting to think we need a statute of limitations on the clipboard. IRC users already understand this. :D