Older, properly designed plants, have completely separated internal networks from the internet.
However, newer plants are tending to use Microsoft systems in some of their servers (scary enough), and also normally have internet firewalls. Internal computers (Even in the control room) have both software to control the plant as well as to access the internet.
Considering what is spent on pro-sports, including public money going to stadiums to placate the populace, we don't have nearly enough being spent on science.
The whole point here I think, is that if some country does this, and gets another's troops to surrender, thinking that a treaty, ceasefire, or armistice has been signed, then in the future, such proclamations, when true, will not be believed, and it will be difficult to stop wars.
By the way, if a future war on the scale of the Gulf War were carried out, in a modern internet connected country, I think it would immediately isolate it's networks, 1) To prevent information leakage and 2) To control information given to the populace as well as 3) To prevent cracking attacks.
So either the police there are really, really, good, and never make mistakes, or everyone gets railroaded.
And they still have the death penalty.
Put the two together, and how many people are getting executed for crimes they did not commit?
By the way, this is Japan today. It's not exactly a monument of democracy. For example, the Koreans who live in Japan have almost no rights, and those born there are stateless persons (no citizenship).
The only legitimate reason I can see that we would support Japan is for something to use against N. Korea and China.
Better password spectator mode too (needpass 3), or someone can login as spectator, run "users", type "user x", where x is your username, and get the password...
I read a news story which said that the author emailed the worm to Antivirus companies. So I guess that it was more of a demonstration of a serious problem than something malicous.
Toasters are not typically even on timers right now...but currently we use timers on stoves. I'd be surprised to see toasters with IP's, since automatic startup/shutdown is useless. But ovens/stoves would be common.
So extend it further. You can hook your electric oven/stove up to your home computer network and control it turning on and off. This is course is so that roast you stuck in it will cook for 4 hours while you are not paying attention. You control everything from your handy PC that you got prepackaged from a store.
So it's Windows NT (the computer) and the stove is on embedded linux. Someone has broken into your computer (due to bad security ACL's and user stupidity--let's say a trojan is installed). (Insert another operating system in place if you like, and change trojan to "race condition" for example).
Now the stove might have all sorts of safeguards. But let's say that your computer is connected to the internet (cable modem) and a second network card connects to your home network. Now that the attacker is into your network, he can send stuff to your stove. But the built-in safeguards prevent problems (i.e. high temperature override shutdown, etc).
Now after he's had access for a few weeks, let's say a linux problem is found. Some psychopath goes over his list of compromised home networks, and looks for everyone with a Stove running some particular variant of linux (or whatever). Now he goes and sets them all on permanent self-clean mode. If you are not home, and don't notice it, your house eventually catches on fire.
Of course this is exaggerated. Any properly designed appliance will have thermal fuses and stuff not subject to computer control. Just don't get complacent and assume that computer controlled sensors and controls can replace these.
It's obviously to avoid stock market chaos. Now we have a weekend to analyze this, and people will talk about it. So on Monday, when MSFT goes down 10 or 20 points, it won't drag the rest of the market with this.
It'd be really cool if slashdot had a customizable slashbox with quotes it in. I bet they could make a deal with Yahoo or something to provide it, and clicking on the stocks could take you to profiles at Yahoo biz.
I assume you are saying that it will cost the GOVERNMENT money.
Well listen--once you pay your taxes, it's NO LONGER YOURS. It's the governments. I'm sick of hearing "taxpayer's money" from politicians too. It implies that your rights are proportional to the taxes you pay. Well, in that case, people like Steve Forbes have no rights, since the ultra rich DON'T pay taxes, or pay very negligible amounts (ask an accountant about this---it's very easy to shelter your income if you have a lot).
Sometimes perhaps development should be handled in house, and a company may be tempted to release their shoddy existing code for others to fix for free.
I'm not saying this is the case with Creative, but be careful about rejoicing about source code releases. If a company is expecting to get great results with open source, but they release something no one is interested in (not the case here), it may completely cause them to swear it off.
In other words, if a mainstream company starts considering open source programmer contributions as a savings on it's balance sheet, start to worry.
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Older, properly designed plants, have completely separated internal networks from the internet.
However, newer plants are tending to use Microsoft systems in some of their servers (scary enough), and also normally have internet firewalls. Internal computers (Even in the control room) have both software to control the plant as well as to access the internet.
Firewalls can't stop everything.
All the RIAA people need to do is start a download from someone, then go netstat -a to see connections (in Windows 95 for example).
Considering what is spent on pro-sports, including public money going to stadiums to placate the populace, we don't have nearly enough being spent on science.
The whole point here I think, is that if some country does this, and gets another's troops to surrender, thinking that a treaty, ceasefire, or armistice has been signed, then in the future, such proclamations, when true, will not be believed, and it will be difficult to stop wars.
By the way, if a future war on the scale of the Gulf War were carried out, in a modern internet connected country, I think it would immediately isolate it's networks, 1) To prevent information leakage and 2) To control information given to the populace as well as 3) To prevent cracking attacks.
So either the police there are really, really, good, and never make mistakes, or everyone gets railroaded.
And they still have the death penalty.
Put the two together, and how many people are getting executed for crimes they did not commit?
By the way, this is Japan today. It's not exactly a monument of democracy. For example, the Koreans who live in Japan have almost no rights, and those born there are stateless persons (no citizenship).
The only legitimate reason I can see that we would support Japan is for something to use against N. Korea and China.
Better password spectator mode too (needpass 3), or someone can login as spectator, run "users", type "user x", where x is your username, and get the password...
People in the US don't realize it, but .us is the United States top level domain.
For anyone doing the distribution thing, install trinux or the LINUX Router Project. Both are floppy disk distributions...
From what I read on Microsoft's advisory on this bug, the same bug exists in NT.
I guess that Bubbleboy isn't exploiting it for NT, though.
NAI's page on Bubbleboy is here.
I read a news story which said that the author emailed the worm to Antivirus companies. So I guess that it was more of a demonstration of a serious problem than something malicous.
Toasters are not typically even on timers right now...but currently we use timers on stoves. I'd be surprised to see toasters with IP's, since automatic startup/shutdown is useless. But ovens/stoves would be common.
So extend it further. You can hook your electric oven/stove up to your home computer network and control it turning on and off. This is course is so that roast you stuck in it will cook for 4 hours while you are not paying attention. You control everything from your handy PC that you got prepackaged from a store.
So it's Windows NT (the computer) and the stove is on embedded linux. Someone has broken into your computer (due to bad security ACL's and user stupidity--let's say a trojan is installed). (Insert another operating system in place if you like, and change trojan to "race condition" for example).
Now the stove might have all sorts of safeguards. But let's say that your computer is connected to the internet (cable modem) and a second network card connects to your home network. Now that the attacker is into your network, he can send stuff to your stove. But the built-in safeguards prevent problems (i.e. high temperature override shutdown, etc).
Now after he's had access for a few weeks, let's say a linux problem is found. Some psychopath goes over his list of compromised home networks, and looks for everyone with a Stove running some particular variant of linux (or whatever). Now he goes and sets them all on permanent self-clean mode. If you are not home, and don't notice it, your house eventually catches on fire.
Of course this is exaggerated. Any properly designed appliance will have thermal fuses and stuff not subject to computer control. Just don't get complacent and assume that computer controlled sensors and controls can replace these.
For people coming in late now, maybe you'll see this mirror: here
It's obviously to avoid stock market chaos. Now we have a weekend to analyze this, and people will talk about it. So on Monday, when MSFT goes down 10 or 20 points, it won't drag the rest of the market with this.
...for whatever else you show.
You know, it's probably horde in Finnish or whatever the programmer's language is.
It'd be really cool if slashdot had a customizable slashbox with quotes it in. I bet they could make a deal with Yahoo or something to provide it, and clicking on the stocks could take you to profiles at Yahoo biz.
They keep us on our toes. If they did not exist, sysadmins could become very complacent.
But fear over web page defacement leads to (hopefully) more updating of systems for bugfixes, and more secure against real threats.
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Not everyone pays taxes. But they all have a democratic right.
For those knee-jerk republicans about to reply--read your constitution first.
As in our "damn canuck" government is run by crooks.
FYI...
And what I said is true. The ultra-rich are great about talking about taxpayer's money, but pay little themselves.
If I recall, SGI was sponsering Debian or something.
If SGI is sponsering it, they want a kick-ass graphics card for serious workstations.
In addition, SGI allied with Nvidia.
I assume you are saying that it will cost the GOVERNMENT money.
Well listen--once you pay your taxes, it's NO LONGER YOURS. It's the governments. I'm sick of hearing "taxpayer's money" from politicians too. It implies that your rights are proportional to the taxes you pay. Well, in that case, people like Steve Forbes have no rights, since the ultra rich DON'T pay taxes, or pay very negligible amounts (ask an accountant about this---it's very easy to shelter your income if you have a lot).
Is all the same...
Sometimes perhaps development should be handled in house, and a company may be tempted to release their shoddy existing code for others to fix for free.
I'm not saying this is the case with Creative, but be careful about rejoicing about source code releases. If a company is expecting to get great results with open source, but they release something no one is interested in (not the case here), it may completely cause them to swear it off.
In other words, if a mainstream company starts considering open source programmer contributions as a savings on it's balance sheet, start to worry.
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