And I noticed that you didn't have an answer for the point of my post, which was that on something like this, MS is going to take crap no matter what they do.
Yes they will, and they should. Microsoft has an entrenched operating systems monopoly. Everything they do is geared to extend and keep that monopoly. Microsoft is trying to get Silverlight adopted, so they're completely willing to go the extra mile to help Silverlight appear cross-platform. Once Silverlight becomes an established platform, they'll drop Linux like a rock.
It happened before when IE first came out, competing with Netscape. They actually paid somebody to port IE to Linux. Once IE became established, the Linux client went away.
The proper response for any Microsoft web initiative is to tell them to fuck themselves, and not support it at all. Miguel is a traitor to open source and the open web.
Thanks for your reply. I know the data is still accessible, because sometimes a read will work after repeated attempts, but this happens so infrequently and it takes so long to read from bad blocks that it's no longer worth trying any more. As for bad blocks being re-allocated, the drive has already used all the spares, so any read that fails is from the data I need. I just need a way to tell the firmware to ignore the CRC and give me whatever data it sees.
I got a copy of the disk -- actually I managed to get all of it except for about 22 megs. It's just that the 22 megs has some of the crucial pieces. If I could read something like 480/512 bytes that would be much better than nothing.
Thanks for the RS232 tip. I'll look around and see if my Maxtor drive has something similar.
Google also made it a point to keep more data than they needed to, requiring them to fight these kinds of battles. They've been dragged kicking and screaming to delete and anonymize more of their data faster. The fact is that Google wants to know everything about you so that it can provide better service and more targeted advertisements. They are the 800 pound anti-privacy gorilla in the market, and if you value your privacy, you'd better stop trusting them or anybody else.
Unrelated to the new drives, but I'm hoping you can help. I have an old Maxtor drive (manufactured 2001, 60GB D540X-4D) with some bad sectors on it. I would *love* to be able to perform a best-effort, dirty read on them, instead of getting back nothing and a CRC error. Is this possible? I looked high and low on the net and couldn't find any free utilities. Best I found were references to expensive crap like SpinRite, which looks like snake oil. At this point I'm looking into hacking the Linux IDE driver if I have to.
Ok, so you are a dabbler and are confused as to what a real wipe is. There's no way that program you ran recovered overwritten data. It only recovered poorly deleted data. It's the difference between asking Windows to mark a file deleted (while still leaving the bytes around) vs overwriting every single byte on the hard drive. This article is about the latter.
My impression of SpinRite is that it's snake oil. Anyways, if it is possible for SpinRite to read data from a bad sector, on a best-effort basis, then the instructions it uses should be available to any tool. What are the instructions?
What you claimed originally doesn't make sense then. The only way you can read data when a hard drive was completely written over is to not use the standard read performed by the hard drive -- because the standard read will return the new data. It sounds like you recovered from some crappy Windows delete that didn't overwrite every byte of the hard drive.
Impossible is a word not used much in IT. I work for IT firm that specializes in forensics investigation. I personally have extracted data from 3 pass wiped drives using open source software.
Maybe you can help me with a related problem then. I have a circa 2001 Maxtor 4D060H3 hard drive. I guess it experienced a head crash because it has a fixed set of damaged blocks, though I have been able most of the data off the drive. Rarely some blocks that couldn't be read before occasionally come through after repeated attempts -- but this is very time consuming and mostly unprofitable.
So now my question: Is it at all possible to get "dirty" reads so that I can (mostly) recover some text files that I know are on the drive? Right now if I try to do a low-level operating system read on a damaged block, it takes several seconds of retrying and then errors out. If I could get some kind of best-effort I'm sure I could recover plenty of data.
Ebay used to be a decent place to get deals, then a few years ago the scammers found out they can fake feedback, and you ended up with 2000+ "transaction" power-sellers who will take your money and run faster than the nigerian prince.
I don't see how that can work, since it costs money (paid to eBay) to list items and have them sold. I've had good luck with powersellers and eBay in general. Of course I wouldn't buy a big ticket item if all the positive reviews were for small priced items.
Given that the entire re-entry-and-landing process was pretty well botched, it's perhaps unsurprising that Volynov came down well short of the intended landing area. In fact, he landed in the Ural Mountains, where he was greeted by a local temperature measuring a brisk minus 36 degrees Fahrenheit With rescue several hours away at best, our intrepid cosmonaut decided to hoof it for safety. He plodded a few kilometers before finding a cheery fire and a brimming samovar in the cottage of a welcoming peasant.
I don't get why so many people make it like they're about to die because nVidia and AMD/ATi don't release their driver code... which is probably full of trade secrets. They have to keep proprietary to keep competitive.
Some people don't want binary blobs running in their kernel space. The main issues are things like security and being able to fix your code or have somebody else fix it, especially given the half-ass support that Linux often gets.
That doesn't make any sense. First, you explicitly said "GPL violation". Also, you were referring to the GPL vs the LGPL. Why does the clause make sense in one but not the other?
If more people were using software written by another guy from Finland 16 years ago, there would be no W32 crime wave and we would not need super cracker cops authorized to violate your privacy.
Right, there would be a Linux crime wave instead. Linux doesn't prevent users from running trojans or force them to get their operating system patched.
My understanding always was, Linus wasn't too proud of having driven a wedge through the middle of the kernel community, that's what the "Git" was about.
I don't believe that without a quote from Linus himself.
No one who is running for national office wants to do that, so none of them get my vote.
Ron Paul or a Libertarian candidate. Even a protest vote makes more sense than not voting at all. Ron Paul even made it into the national debates.
My other solution is that no one should be allowed to vote unless they can pass an extremely tough civics test.
Too prone to abuse and politically charged. The point of voting is you are allowed your own opinion, even if it doesn't meet somebody else's. I'd rather see something like Borda voting so that 3rd party candidates stood more of a chance, instead of this "throwing your vote away" by not picking one of the two parties.
I'm not so sure the Penny Arcade comic supported your position. It highlights why so many people got off the PC gaming treadmill and moved to consoles.
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The article treats these questions like ancient history, but aren't there people alive and around who can answer them?
That was over 60 years ago. Somebody who was 30 then would be over 90 years old.
Weren't there records kept?
Maybe they were as well kept as this plutonium?
And I noticed that you didn't have an answer for the point of my post, which was that on something like this, MS is going to take crap no matter what they do.
Yes they will, and they should. Microsoft has an entrenched operating systems monopoly. Everything they do is geared to extend and keep that monopoly. Microsoft is trying to get Silverlight adopted, so they're completely willing to go the extra mile to help Silverlight appear cross-platform. Once Silverlight becomes an established platform, they'll drop Linux like a rock.
It happened before when IE first came out, competing with Netscape. They actually paid somebody to port IE to Linux. Once IE became established, the Linux client went away.
The proper response for any Microsoft web initiative is to tell them to fuck themselves, and not support it at all. Miguel is a traitor to open source and the open web.
A bad block is a bad block
Thanks for your reply. I know the data is still accessible, because sometimes a read will work after repeated attempts, but this happens so infrequently and it takes so long to read from bad blocks that it's no longer worth trying any more. As for bad blocks being re-allocated, the drive has already used all the spares, so any read that fails is from the data I need. I just need a way to tell the firmware to ignore the CRC and give me whatever data it sees.
Thanks anyways. I'll continue looking on the net.
I got a copy of the disk -- actually I managed to get all of it except for about 22 megs. It's just that the 22 megs has some of the crucial pieces. If I could read something like 480/512 bytes that would be much better than nothing.
Thanks for the RS232 tip. I'll look around and see if my Maxtor drive has something similar.
I bet you'll find that hard drive firmware won't even let you read bad blocks in the first place, so hacking the IDE driver will get you nothing.
That's what I'm hoping to find out from "maxtorman" :)
Dude just re-download your pr0n. 60GB isn't that much :-)
If it was porn I wouldn't care. These are personal documents that I lazily didn't back up.
Google also made it a point to keep more data than they needed to, requiring them to fight these kinds of battles. They've been dragged kicking and screaming to delete and anonymize more of their data faster. The fact is that Google wants to know everything about you so that it can provide better service and more targeted advertisements. They are the 800 pound anti-privacy gorilla in the market, and if you value your privacy, you'd better stop trusting them or anybody else.
Unrelated to the new drives, but I'm hoping you can help. I have an old Maxtor drive (manufactured 2001, 60GB D540X-4D) with some bad sectors on it. I would *love* to be able to perform a best-effort, dirty read on them, instead of getting back nothing and a CRC error. Is this possible? I looked high and low on the net and couldn't find any free utilities. Best I found were references to expensive crap like SpinRite, which looks like snake oil. At this point I'm looking into hacking the Linux IDE driver if I have to.
You are a master of the run-on sentence. I salute you!
Ok, so you are a dabbler and are confused as to what a real wipe is. There's no way that program you ran recovered overwritten data. It only recovered poorly deleted data. It's the difference between asking Windows to mark a file deleted (while still leaving the bytes around) vs overwriting every single byte on the hard drive. This article is about the latter.
My impression of SpinRite is that it's snake oil. Anyways, if it is possible for SpinRite to read data from a bad sector, on a best-effort basis, then the instructions it uses should be available to any tool. What are the instructions?
What you claimed originally doesn't make sense then. The only way you can read data when a hard drive was completely written over is to not use the standard read performed by the hard drive -- because the standard read will return the new data. It sounds like you recovered from some crappy Windows delete that didn't overwrite every byte of the hard drive.
Impossible is a word not used much in IT. I work for IT firm that specializes in forensics investigation. I personally have extracted data from 3 pass wiped drives using open source software.
Maybe you can help me with a related problem then. I have a circa 2001 Maxtor 4D060H3 hard drive. I guess it experienced a head crash because it has a fixed set of damaged blocks, though I have been able most of the data off the drive. Rarely some blocks that couldn't be read before occasionally come through after repeated attempts -- but this is very time consuming and mostly unprofitable.
So now my question: Is it at all possible to get "dirty" reads so that I can (mostly) recover some text files that I know are on the drive? Right now if I try to do a low-level operating system read on a damaged block, it takes several seconds of retrying and then errors out. If I could get some kind of best-effort I'm sure I could recover plenty of data.
Ebay used to be a decent place to get deals, then a few years ago the scammers found out they can fake feedback, and you ended up with 2000+ "transaction" power-sellers who will take your money and run faster than the nigerian prince.
I don't see how that can work, since it costs money (paid to eBay) to list items and have them sold. I've had good luck with powersellers and eBay in general. Of course I wouldn't buy a big ticket item if all the positive reviews were for small priced items.
Best part of the story for me was this:
Given that the entire re-entry-and-landing process was pretty well botched, it's perhaps unsurprising that Volynov came down well short of the intended landing area. In fact, he landed in the Ural Mountains, where he was greeted by a local temperature measuring a brisk minus 36 degrees Fahrenheit With rescue several hours away at best, our intrepid cosmonaut decided to hoof it for safety. He plodded a few kilometers before finding a cheery fire and a brimming samovar in the cottage of a welcoming peasant.
That must have been one surprised peasant.
I don't get why so many people make it like they're about to die because nVidia and AMD/ATi don't release their driver code... which is probably full of trade secrets. They have to keep proprietary to keep competitive.
Some people don't want binary blobs running in their kernel space. The main issues are things like security and being able to fix your code or have somebody else fix it, especially given the half-ass support that Linux often gets.
It's funny to Science re-discover what we knew 12,000 years ago :)
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That doesn't make any sense. First, you explicitly said "GPL violation". Also, you were referring to the GPL vs the LGPL. Why does the clause make sense in one but not the other?
Because what people would do is use the GPL version and develop until they had a sellable product. That is a violation of the GPL license.
How so? As long as you don't distribute, then there's no violation.
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If more people were using software written by another guy from Finland 16 years ago, there would be no W32 crime wave and we would not need super cracker cops authorized to violate your privacy.
Right, there would be a Linux crime wave instead. Linux doesn't prevent users from running trojans or force them to get their operating system patched.
Thanks for the reference. I agree, I don't like the civics test for voting.
My understanding always was, Linus wasn't too proud of having driven a wedge through the middle of the kernel community, that's what the "Git" was about.
I don't believe that without a quote from Linus himself.
No one who is running for national office wants to do that, so none of them get my vote.
Ron Paul or a Libertarian candidate. Even a protest vote makes more sense than not voting at all. Ron Paul even made it into the national debates.
My other solution is that no one should be allowed to vote unless they can pass an extremely tough civics test.
Too prone to abuse and politically charged. The point of voting is you are allowed your own opinion, even if it doesn't meet somebody else's. I'd rather see something like Borda voting so that 3rd party candidates stood more of a chance, instead of this "throwing your vote away" by not picking one of the two parties.
I looked at Google and didn't get anything blindingly obvious. What are you referring to?
I'm not so sure the Penny Arcade comic supported your position. It highlights why so many people got off the PC gaming treadmill and moved to consoles.