But if there were no copyright in computer programs, this fear is moot because people could lawfully share the results of reverse-engineering said proprietary improvements.
Not that I endorse the GPL, but it is true that not having the source is a big hindrance, and greatly reduces the number of people that can effectively make improvements to proprietary software.
I'm not going to waste my time complaining about something I cannot control
You keep on saying this, despite the fact that others have made different choices, Mr. Lemming.
l could not care less about how hard Microsoft is pushing it. If they were charging for the upgrade and pushing it the way they are, I'd be very annoyed, but they're giving it away for free.
Treating your customers like shit just because the upgrade is free is not a good excuse for treating your customers like shit.
So, my question to you, if you'll deign to hear it, is this: Have you actually tried it, or are you basing all your resistance on second or third hand complaints?
It's an irrelevant question, as the reasons for not upgrading aren't for things like UI issues.
Since this argument is going in circles, I'm bowing out.
You've already admitted you weren't happy about the service model, but felt you had "no choice". You already admitted Microsoft has never been so aggressive in getting users to upgrade. What you find so upsetting is that you made a choice to be a lemming, believing you didn't have a choice, while others spoke out and made different choices.
It's like how some states outlawed credit card surcharges, so businesses offered cash discounts instead. It's the same dang thing!
Actually, those are the payment network rules (like Visa) for merchants. It's basically an image thing. They don't want a direct penalty attached to using the card, even though it amounts to the same thing.
I'm sorry, but you don't have any control over the industry's movement towards a service model either.
I'm sorry you're too much of a lemming to take advantages of alternatives.
Just disable the telemetry
Easier said than done, and I wouldn't trust Microsoft to "accidentally" keep re-enabling it. And there's a fundamental point that I find their actions and disrespect for users so distasteful that I'm not following them into future Windows versions.
You're not better or even better off because you're stubborn. You're just wasting time and trouble, causing nothing apart from irritating noise.
Ah, see, there it is again. You're so bothered that you accepted your fate where others haven't that you continue to defend Microsoft's shitty behavior.
In my world, Bob would have sabotaged the shuttle, been fired, and everyone would have moved on.
In your world, Bob would have been fired and put in prison, a new part would have been made or already available, and the accident would have happened anyways.
I know, some people don't mind living in a fishbowl. "If you've got nothing to hide, blah blah." Even if it was just ads, it would still bother me. But you've also got employers, insurers, and government poking their noses around too.
If you use Windows mostly for gaming, upgrade to 10 for DX12. If your primary computer is running linux anyway, why turn it down?
I was put off by all the "telemetry" (spying), and their heavy-handed efforts to force Windows 10 on people shut the door completely.
What's this "unlike you, I have control" nonsense? You have nothing I don't apart from a sense of smug self-satisfaction stemming from a futile exercise in sheer bloodymindedness.
Sorry, bub, you admitted yourself that you have no control over a model you didn't like. What I get is to stick to my principles and avoid a company that's lost all respect for its users. The more people that do that the better. Nothing ever changes if people just accept the situation as is.
Of course there's a price for going against the grain, and everybody makes their own value decisions. There's plenty of stuff I tolerate for expediency. But the way you tried to excuse Microsoft's behavior -- that was shitty behavior on your part to justify your own decision.
If you go to a party and half the attendees are the American Family Council, and the party has gay dancers, would you be surprised that they would be offended?
If you had a party with gay dancers for the Pope, would you be surprised who was not offended?
There's plenty of solid material already, enough that low-level employees would have been fired and had their security clearances revoked, and possibly sent to jail. But because it's Hillary "My Turn" Clinton, the powers that be, people like you, and the idiot anon I replied to make excuses, despite her reckless behavior, disdain for transparency, shady "Foundation", and lies.
Yet, every slow news day we hear of someone (the boogyman?) claiming that there has been another small step in the path that eventually leads to an indictment. If they have the evidence, and it is court-worthy (as opposed to National Enquirer-worthy) and indictment would be trivially easy. The lack of indicting her seems to indicate that such evidence is lacking.
No, it indicates that the politically elite are treated differently than peons.
So far the closest thing we have is that someone claims to have been told to remove secret markings on documents to send to the Secretary of State on a non-secure channel during a critical time period in the Benghazi attacks. We have no evidence that such a thing was done, nor do we know if such a thing was requested. We have no idea of the witness is credible, or if the witness has an agenda.
Do you just make this shit up as you go along? It was uncovered in Hillary's email:
"Hillary Clinton, who has been hounded by questions about her use of a private email account while heading the State Department, instructed a staffer in 2011 to send her a talking points memo by a nonsecure system after it could not be sent by secure fax.
Clinton also expressed surprise in another 2011 email that a State Department staffer would use a private email account for work, according to the latest batch of Clinton emails released by the State Department under a schedule ordered by a federal judge.
[..]
But the latest batch of emails sheds light on her sometimes contradictory attitudes about email security.
In June 2011, after an aide said staffers were having trouble sending her talking points by secure fax, Clinton advised: 'If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.' "
You're right. They've never been so aggressive about upgrades before. They've also never made upgrading to a new version free or moved to an SaS model for their operating systems before. Would you have been happier with no notifications or "recomended" upgrading and a $100-$250 price tag?
False dilemma. The middle ground would have been to offer the free upgrade, notify users in a non-belligerent fashion, and that's it. What they chose to do instead is the result of a long and steady decline in respect for their users out of Google and Apple envy.
Am I willing to accept the facts of a changing landscape and "just deal with it" instead of digging in my heels and whining about something I have absolutely zero control over? Yeah, I am.
Fine for you, but making excuses and denigrating others who call out their bullshit is bad behavior on your part. And unlike you, I have control. I am not upgrading to 10. I primarily use Windows for games, while running Linux as my main box. I can live without the Windows box when push comes to shove.
Where is the press on this? I see the press covering up for her more than anything.
Actually, I'm surprised they covered it as much as they did. She was raked over the coals for quite a while, especially when she tried to blow it off and the press was having none of it. The story has been on the back-burner since then, but if the FBI investigation results in criminal proceedings it's going to explode.
No, you turn off automatic installation of recommended updates. Like Microsoft told everyone when they announced it last month.
Uh huh. So if Microsoft told you they'd delete your personal files unless you opted out within a month, you'd be fine with that too? They're completely breaking user expectations, and fanboys/shills like you are making excuses for them. Microsoft has never been so aggressive about upgrading to a new version of Windows, to the point of being completely underhanded.
I've been dodging Windows 10 for awhile. Then it came out that Windows 10 was being pushed as a "Recommended" update, and with default settings, it would be installed automatically like the rest of the "Recommended" updates. After the latest spate of news, I checked Windows Update, and sure enough, I was scheduled a few days away for an install.
This is NOT user error. And even if it was, it's clearly so prevalent that it's Microsoft heavy-handed efforts to push Windows 10 that it's Microsoft's fault, not the user. Here's an article from a tech writer that says it happened to him on a VM install of Windows 7.
We have massive diversity problems because of asshole managers who demand that workers have zero personal life and 24/7/365 availability, driving women out of the industry.
Oh Christ, not this shit again. Women, as a general rule, are not as interested in tech as men are. And having to be available 24/7 seems like a much bigger problem than "massive diversity problems". Then again, not every tech job is like that.
Takeaway: if you want to go into tech to make a living, go blackhat. [..] Then when you're ready to get a normal job and are tired of dodging the authorities, just publicly dox yourself, serve a token sentence, and get hired for god knows how much!
No thanks. I'd rather not spend a year or multiple years in prison. And I'm not a thief.
Playing a game, and doing it well, requires real creativity. Arguably a lot more than science, actually. When you study science, all you're doing is discovering information already out there - water had its properties and was built by molecules long before it was classified as H2O, and nothing changed after.
This is a ridiculous position. There's a long chain of creative thought that led to our knowledge of chemistry. AI has a long, LONG, way to go before it's capable of replicating this achievement. Could you even begin to write a program that ponders about the nature of the physical world, performs experiments, and comes up with chemistry?
Doing well at Go can't be calculated cold and hard - much of it is subjective, and that's what makes this discovery so important. The computer didn't win by just repeating the same patterns or evaluations over and over, but actually learned from each game and was able to apply that to the future. That's the start of self learning AI.
What is objective about Go are the unambiguous (as used by computer Go) and simple rules and the binary win/loss results, along with the underlying game tree that has a theoretically perfect solution. While learning to play Go well with neural networks is impressive, it's still very far from general intelligence.
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But if there were no copyright in computer programs, this fear is moot because people could lawfully share the results of reverse-engineering said proprietary improvements.
Not that I endorse the GPL, but it is true that not having the source is a big hindrance, and greatly reduces the number of people that can effectively make improvements to proprietary software.
I'm not going to waste my time complaining about something I cannot control
You keep on saying this, despite the fact that others have made different choices, Mr. Lemming.
l could not care less about how hard Microsoft is pushing it. If they were charging for the upgrade and pushing it the way they are, I'd be very annoyed, but they're giving it away for free.
Treating your customers like shit just because the upgrade is free is not a good excuse for treating your customers like shit.
So, my question to you, if you'll deign to hear it, is this: Have you actually tried it, or are you basing all your resistance on second or third hand complaints?
It's an irrelevant question, as the reasons for not upgrading aren't for things like UI issues.
Since this argument is going in circles, I'm bowing out.
You've already admitted you weren't happy about the service model, but felt you had "no choice". You already admitted Microsoft has never been so aggressive in getting users to upgrade. What you find so upsetting is that you made a choice to be a lemming, believing you didn't have a choice, while others spoke out and made different choices.
Probably because "Space Janitors" isn't the most interesting thing to premise your series on.
It's like how some states outlawed credit card surcharges, so businesses offered cash discounts instead. It's the same dang thing!
Actually, those are the payment network rules (like Visa) for merchants. It's basically an image thing. They don't want a direct penalty attached to using the card, even though it amounts to the same thing.
I'm sorry, but you don't have any control over the industry's movement towards a service model either.
I'm sorry you're too much of a lemming to take advantages of alternatives.
Just disable the telemetry
Easier said than done, and I wouldn't trust Microsoft to "accidentally" keep re-enabling it. And there's a fundamental point that I find their actions and disrespect for users so distasteful that I'm not following them into future Windows versions.
You're not better or even better off because you're stubborn. You're just wasting time and trouble, causing nothing apart from irritating noise.
Ah, see, there it is again. You're so bothered that you accepted your fate where others haven't that you continue to defend Microsoft's shitty behavior.
In my world, Bob would have sabotaged the shuttle, been fired, and everyone would have moved on.
In your world, Bob would have been fired and put in prison, a new part would have been made or already available, and the accident would have happened anyways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I know, some people don't mind living in a fishbowl. "If you've got nothing to hide, blah blah." Even if it was just ads, it would still bother me. But you've also got employers, insurers, and government poking their noses around too.
If you use Windows mostly for gaming, upgrade to 10 for DX12. If your primary computer is running linux anyway, why turn it down?
I was put off by all the "telemetry" (spying), and their heavy-handed efforts to force Windows 10 on people shut the door completely.
What's this "unlike you, I have control" nonsense? You have nothing I don't apart from a sense of smug self-satisfaction stemming from a futile exercise in sheer bloodymindedness.
Sorry, bub, you admitted yourself that you have no control over a model you didn't like. What I get is to stick to my principles and avoid a company that's lost all respect for its users. The more people that do that the better. Nothing ever changes if people just accept the situation as is.
Of course there's a price for going against the grain, and everybody makes their own value decisions. There's plenty of stuff I tolerate for expediency. But the way you tried to excuse Microsoft's behavior -- that was shitty behavior on your part to justify your own decision.
Facebook's Regina Wallace-Jones, who is in charge of protecting 1.6 billion people on the social network
Who's in charge of protecting 1.6 billion people from the social network?
If you go to a party and half the attendees are the American Family Council, and the party has gay dancers, would you be surprised that they would be offended?
If you had a party with gay dancers for the Pope, would you be surprised who was not offended?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
So describe your secure system that's still secure on an unpatched Windows. Just calling people "morons" isn't a security system.
There's plenty of solid material already, enough that low-level employees would have been fired and had their security clearances revoked, and possibly sent to jail. But because it's Hillary "My Turn" Clinton, the powers that be, people like you, and the idiot anon I replied to make excuses, despite her reckless behavior, disdain for transparency, shady "Foundation", and lies.
Yet, every slow news day we hear of someone (the boogyman?) claiming that there has been another small step in the path that eventually leads to an indictment. If they have the evidence, and it is court-worthy (as opposed to National Enquirer-worthy) and indictment would be trivially easy. The lack of indicting her seems to indicate that such evidence is lacking.
No, it indicates that the politically elite are treated differently than peons.
So far the closest thing we have is that someone claims to have been told to remove secret markings on documents to send to the Secretary of State on a non-secure channel during a critical time period in the Benghazi attacks. We have no evidence that such a thing was done, nor do we know if such a thing was requested. We have no idea of the witness is credible, or if the witness has an agenda.
Do you just make this shit up as you go along? It was uncovered in Hillary's email:
"Hillary Clinton, who has been hounded by questions about her use of a private email account while heading the State Department, instructed a staffer in 2011 to send her a talking points memo by a nonsecure system after it could not be sent by secure fax.
Clinton also expressed surprise in another 2011 email that a State Department staffer would use a private email account for work, according to the latest batch of Clinton emails released by the State Department under a schedule ordered by a federal judge.
[..]
But the latest batch of emails sheds light on her sometimes contradictory attitudes about email security.
In June 2011, after an aide said staffers were having trouble sending her talking points by secure fax, Clinton advised: 'If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.' "
And the context appears to be a sensitive issue that was going on in Sudan: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01...
I'm not even going to get to the rest of your post. Too much bullshit already.
You're right. They've never been so aggressive about upgrades before. They've also never made upgrading to a new version free or moved to an SaS model for their operating systems before. Would you have been happier with no notifications or "recomended" upgrading and a $100-$250 price tag?
False dilemma. The middle ground would have been to offer the free upgrade, notify users in a non-belligerent fashion, and that's it. What they chose to do instead is the result of a long and steady decline in respect for their users out of Google and Apple envy.
Am I willing to accept the facts of a changing landscape and "just deal with it" instead of digging in my heels and whining about something I have absolutely zero control over? Yeah, I am.
Fine for you, but making excuses and denigrating others who call out their bullshit is bad behavior on your part. And unlike you, I have control. I am not upgrading to 10. I primarily use Windows for games, while running Linux as my main box. I can live without the Windows box when push comes to shove.
Where is the press on this? I see the press covering up for her more than anything.
Actually, I'm surprised they covered it as much as they did. She was raked over the coals for quite a while, especially when she tried to blow it off and the press was having none of it. The story has been on the back-burner since then, but if the FBI investigation results in criminal proceedings it's going to explode.
WTF happened to the History Channel ?
Market forces.
How your comment got +5 Insightful when it is such utter and complete rubbish is beyond me.
Obligatory: You must be new here.
Only morons think not running Windows updates to patch security flaws isn't a basic first step to securing Windows.
No, you turn off automatic installation of recommended updates. Like Microsoft told everyone when they announced it last month.
Uh huh. So if Microsoft told you they'd delete your personal files unless you opted out within a month, you'd be fine with that too? They're completely breaking user expectations, and fanboys/shills like you are making excuses for them. Microsoft has never been so aggressive about upgrading to a new version of Windows, to the point of being completely underhanded.
I trust the malware infections I might get from pirated software more than I trust Microsoft.
This is idiotic. Your computer is an open door for every script kiddie on the Net. +5 Insightful?
I guess it's fine if all you do is play games and you don't mind being part of a botnet.
Actually I'm still assuming user error.
I've been dodging Windows 10 for awhile. Then it came out that Windows 10 was being pushed as a "Recommended" update, and with default settings, it would be installed automatically like the rest of the "Recommended" updates. After the latest spate of news, I checked Windows Update, and sure enough, I was scheduled a few days away for an install.
This is NOT user error. And even if it was, it's clearly so prevalent that it's Microsoft heavy-handed efforts to push Windows 10 that it's Microsoft's fault, not the user. Here's an article from a tech writer that says it happened to him on a VM install of Windows 7.
FUCK YOU MICROSOFT.
We have massive diversity problems because of asshole managers who demand that workers have zero personal life and 24/7/365 availability, driving women out of the industry.
Oh Christ, not this shit again. Women, as a general rule, are not as interested in tech as men are. And having to be available 24/7 seems like a much bigger problem than "massive diversity problems". Then again, not every tech job is like that.
Takeaway: if you want to go into tech to make a living, go blackhat. [..] Then when you're ready to get a normal job and are tired of dodging the authorities, just publicly dox yourself, serve a token sentence, and get hired for god knows how much!
No thanks. I'd rather not spend a year or multiple years in prison. And I'm not a thief.
Reminder: Prefacing your argument with "Reminder" is a shitty way to make an argument.
The circle is now complete.
Playing a game, and doing it well, requires real creativity. Arguably a lot more than science, actually. When you study science, all you're doing is discovering information already out there - water had its properties and was built by molecules long before it was classified as H2O, and nothing changed after.
This is a ridiculous position. There's a long chain of creative thought that led to our knowledge of chemistry. AI has a long, LONG, way to go before it's capable of replicating this achievement. Could you even begin to write a program that ponders about the nature of the physical world, performs experiments, and comes up with chemistry?
Doing well at Go can't be calculated cold and hard - much of it is subjective, and that's what makes this discovery so important. The computer didn't win by just repeating the same patterns or evaluations over and over, but actually learned from each game and was able to apply that to the future. That's the start of self learning AI.
What is objective about Go are the unambiguous (as used by computer Go) and simple rules and the binary win/loss results, along with the underlying game tree that has a theoretically perfect solution. While learning to play Go well with neural networks is impressive, it's still very far from general intelligence.